Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hi,

if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for sure in 
September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or not...

Any News?

Heinrich

> if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for sure in 
> September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or not...

Good call...

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish list is
the driving force behind the new features that have been specified for
this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as unofficial
information. It becomes official once we have released a proper press
release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have asked for a
lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan to get a
lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next month,
there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level features will
be announced in the official press release.

Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage Collection". This ROM
is made up of all new source material. It is not the old Vintage Keys +
sound set.

sean at e-mu 

Nick Rothwell wrote:

> 
> > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for sure in
> > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or not...
> 
> Good call...
> 
> --
> 
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> 
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hell ya, i can wait as long as i know u didnt abandon us.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sean Wilhelmsen

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:00 PM

Subject: Re: [xl7] Hello Emu, what about the new OS???

We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish list is
the driving force behind the new features that have been specified for
this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as unofficial
information. It becomes official once we have released a proper press
release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have asked for a
lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan to get a
lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next month,
there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level features will
be announced in the official press release.

Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage Collection". This ROM
is made up of all new source material. It is not the old Vintage Keys +
sound set.

sean at e-mu

Nick Rothwell wrote:
>
> > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for sure in
> > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or not...
>
> Good call...
>
> --
>
> nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
>
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Thank you EMU!  I was beginning to lose hope....


--- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish list 
is
> the driving force behind the new features that have been specified 
for
> this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as 
unofficial
> information. It becomes official once we have released a proper 
press
> release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have asked 
for a
> lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan to 
get a
> lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next month,
> there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level features 
will
> be announced in the official press release.
> 
> Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage Collection". 
This ROM
> is made up of all new source material. It is not the old Vintage 
Keys +
> sound set.
> 
> sean at e-mu 
> 
> Nick Rothwell wrote:
> > 
> > > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for 
sure in
> > > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or 
not...
> > 
> > Good call...
> > 
> > --
> > 
> >   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
http://www.cassiel.com
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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Thank you Sean, thank you, Emu!!!

I really hoped for that answer. Man, am I curious! Keep up the good 
stuff. I for myself would be very interested in that vintage ROM, by 
the way.

All the best to you!

Heinrich



--- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish list 
is
> the driving force behind the new features that have been specified 
for
> this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as 
unofficial
> information. It becomes official once we have released a proper 
press
> release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have asked 
for a
> lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan to 
get a
> lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next 
month,
> there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level features 
will
> be announced in the official press release.
> 
> Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage Collection". 
This ROM
> is made up of all new source material. It is not the old Vintage 
Keys +
> sound set.
> 
> sean at e-mu 
> 
> Nick Rothwell wrote:
> > 
> > > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for 
sure in
> > > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or 
not...
> > 
> > Good call...
> > 
> > --
> > 
> >   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
http://www.cassiel.com
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I find it currious that emu "chose" to update the os.  the current os 
is still quite buggy, but this machine has the option to go in the 
books as the best machine for the job.  I bought my machine with the 
understanding (from EMU) that the OS would be updated and features 
would be added.  While I am very thrilled that they are going to go 
on with another update, it worries me that they would just drop us 
current Command Station owners to make the XX-7's go down in history 
the same way the asr-x did. 

I respect EMU and their products.   They have some of the best 
soundsets out there.  And I'm glad they have 'decided' to further 
support their products.  I am worried, however, that in these times, 
as hard as they are, they may have difficulty surviving around ROLAND 
and KORG.  But I have confidence that they can be as big or bigger 
than these brand names.  

Peace...

--- In xl7@y..., "joesapo" <joesapo@y...> wrote:
> Thank you EMU!  I was beginning to lose hope....
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> > We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish 
list 
> is
> > the driving force behind the new features that have been 
specified 
> for
> > this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as 
> unofficial
> > information. It becomes official once we have released a proper 
> press
> > release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have asked 
> for a
> > lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan to 
> get a
> > lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next 
month,

> > there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level features 
> will
> > be announced in the official press release.
> > 
> > Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage Collection". 
> This ROM
> > is made up of all new source material. It is not the old Vintage 
> Keys +
> > sound set.
> > 
> > sean at e-mu 
> > 
> > Nick Rothwell wrote:
> > > 
> > > > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for 
> sure in
> > > > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or 
> not...
> > > 
> > > Good call...
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > >   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
> http://www.cassiel.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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To be fair:

1. I do not recall seeing any literature from E-mu promising to 
update any O.S. Perhaps it could be argued that such has become 
expected of any synth being released these days where the O.S. can 
be upgradeable over midi, but still, I don't recall any promises. I 
could be wrong. If the unit didn't sound good and appear to be good 
(not to mention get favorable reviews from respected magazines like 
Sound on Sound) I might not have bought one. If I never got another 
O.S. upgrade from the day I bought it, it would still be what I 
chose to buy and would still have plenty of utility as a fine 
sequencer (perhaps not the best but hey!) and a great synth. In fact 
I got it for the synth mainly and the knobs as a upgrade for the XL1.

2. the ASR-X was that of Ensoniq, not E-mu and I am pretty sure that 
Ensoniq called it quits on the ASR-X before being bought out. I have 
an ASR-X as well and Ensoniq did come up with at least 3 O.S. 
upgrades for the original version and I believe 1 for the "pro" 
version. I am not sure that E-mu signed on to do diddly for the ASR-
X (although I wish they did).

3. I am very happy to be looking forward to a new O.S., but I am 
usually equally happy to hear (strange as it may sound) that a final 
o.s. has landed, faults and all, that there will be no more, EVER! 
It allows me to stop thinking about features or lack of features and 
just get on with using the instrument and focusing on what is good. 
My minimoog is WAY faulty if you ask me in the context of a possible 
O.S. upgrade! But there isn't; and in that perspective, that baby is 
amazing. Perspective is everything.

In closing, I mention all of this because I don't agree necessarily 
with the idea that we are entitled to upgrades unless promised in 
literature, or if the unit seriously does not do what was promised 
in literature. I am not sure the Command Stations fall into those 
categories.

And we shouldn't feel too bad or put out about the HEAVY FAVOR of 
saying simply, "Thank you E-mu," along with the people there like 
Sean who ARE E-mu.

"Thanks Sean, thanks E-mu"

Ravi

p.s. C'mon hurry up, get cracking on the O.S. upgrades pronto!! damn 
it! No good dead goes unpunished. If you don't hurry I will write 
bad reviews!! :)


--- In xl7@y..., "david jones" <spec@s...> wrote:
> I find it currious that emu "chose" to update the os.  the current 
os 
> is still quite buggy, but this machine has the option to go in the 
> books as the best machine for the job.  I bought my machine with 
the 
> understanding (from EMU) that the OS would be updated and features 
> would be added.  While I am very thrilled that they are going to 
go 
> on with another update, it worries me that they would just drop us 
> current Command Station owners to make the XX-7's go down in 
history 
> the same way the asr-x did. 
> 
> I respect EMU and their products.   They have some of the best 
> soundsets out there.  And I'm glad they have 'decided' to further 
> support their products.  I am worried, however, that in these 
times, 
> as hard as they are, they may have difficulty surviving around 
ROLAND 
> and KORG.  But I have confidence that they can be as big or bigger 
> than these brand names.  
> 
> Peace...
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "joesapo" <joesapo@y...> wrote:
> > Thank you EMU!  I was beginning to lose hope....
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> > > We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish 
> list 
> > is
> > > the driving force behind the new features that have been 
> specified 
> > for
> > > this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as 
> > unofficial
> > > information. It becomes official once we have released a 
proper 
> > press
> > > release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have 
asked 
> > for a
> > > lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan 
to 
> > get a
> > > lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next 
> month,
> > > there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level 
features 
> > will
> > > be announced in the official press release.
> > > 
> > > Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage 
Collection". 
> > This ROM
> > > is made up of all new source material. It is not the old 
Vintage 
> > Keys +
> > > sound set.
> > > 
> > > sean at e-mu 
> > > 
> > > Nick Rothwell wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know 
for 
> > sure in
> > > > > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS 
or 

> > not...
> > > > 
> > > > Good call...
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > >   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
> > http://www.cassiel.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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What bugs does everyone keep talking about?  I know Nick's Arp bug has 
been confirmed, but what other bugs is everyone so keen to see fixed?   we 
haven't heard many bug comments from people since OS1.31, and they haven't 
updated the list in the files section of this group either.  Which bugs 
are giving you issues?  Maybe others here can help confirm if you can 
share your findings with us.

rEalm






"david jones" <spec@...>
10/01/02 07:03 PM
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        Subject:        [xl7] rE:  EMU "supporting" their products


I find it currious that emu "chose" to update the os.  the current os 
is still quite buggy, but this machine has the option to go in the 
books as the best machine for the job.  I bought my machine with the 
understanding (from EMU) that the OS would be updated and features 
would be added.  While I am very thrilled that they are going to go 
on with another update, it worries me that they would just drop us 
current Command Station owners to make the XX-7's go down in history 
the same way the asr-x did. 

I respect EMU and their products.   They have some of the best 
soundsets out there.  And I'm glad they have 'decided' to further 
support their products.  I am worried, however, that in these times, 
as hard as they are, they may have difficulty surviving around ROLAND 
and KORG.  But I have confidence that they can be as big or bigger 
than these brand names. 

Peace...

--- In xl7@y..., "joesapo" <joesapo@y...> wrote:
> Thank you EMU!  I was beginning to lose hope....
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> > We have decided to proceed with new OS development. Your wish 
list 
> is
> > the driving force behind the new features that have been 
specified 
> for
> > this future OS release. Great job! I'm sending this e-mail as 
> unofficial
> > information. It becomes official once we have released a proper 
> press
> > release ( I wanted to meet my September deadline). You have asked 
> for a
> > lot, and some of your requests won't be possible, but we plan to 
> get a
> > lot of them in. With that said, don't expect this new OS next 
month,
> > there's lots of work to be done. Ship date and top level features 
> will
> > be announced in the official press release.
> > 
> > Also, look for a new ROM in December, the "Vintage Collection". 
> This ROM
> > is made up of all new source material. It is not the old Vintage 
> Keys +
> > sound set.
> > 
> > sean at e-mu 
> > 
> > Nick Rothwell wrote:
> > > 
> > > > if my memory serves me right, Emu wanted to let us know for 
> sure in
> > > > September about their decision to proceed with the new OS or 
> not...
> > > 
> > > Good call...
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > >   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
> http://www.cassiel.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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1. I do not recall seeing any literature from E-mu promising to update any 
O.S. Perhaps it could be argued that such has become expected of any synth 
being released these days where the O.S. can be upgradeable over midi, but 
still, I don't recall any promises.

>>>An OS update hasn't been promised until just a coupel days ago.  Still, 
even that's not official yet.  So you were right there Ravi! <<<

3. I am very happy to be looking forward to a new O.S., but I am usually 
equally happy to hear (strange as it may sound) that a final o.s. has 
landed, faults and all, that there will be no more, EVER! It allows me to 
stop thinking about features or lack of features and just get on with 
using the instrument and focusing on what is good.

>>>Agreed, since the last OS that took care of most of the XL-7's bugs, 
I've just been happy to use it.  It's a great tool.  NO piece of gear will 
ever have every feature that everyone wants, even after OS 2.0 comes out, 
we know that there will still be some people who want MORE!  Be happy, you 
got a great piece of gear that is arguably a lo better than when you 
bought it (I don't mean you Ravi, but all of us). <<<

"Thanks Sean, thanks E-mu"

>>>Thanx to Aaron and Scott too, all three of whom are some of the coolest 
people I've met.  Emu provides better tech support and list presence that 
any other company I've dealt with, we should all be happy about that. They 
even dropped the ball about the OS update before they were supposed to, 
just to make us happy, and to meet their promises to us. Somethign they 
didn't have to do, and I wager something their bosses would not be happy 
about if they found out.<<<

p.s. C'mon hurry up, get cracking on the O.S. upgrades pronto!! damn it! 
No good dead goes unpunished. If you don't hurry I will write bad 
reviews!! :)

>>>Yeah, right, where the hell's that OS?  Emu sucks, damn waste of my 
time!  I bought this unit expecting it to cook breakfast for me, what the 
hell?  Where's my eggs!!!! :) <<<

rEalm

> What bugs does everyone keep talking about?  I know Nick's Arp bug has 
> been confirmed, but what other bugs is everyone so keen to see fixed?

There's a difference between confirmed, reproducible bugs and bugs
which are subtle, debateable, not totally reproducible, or downright
difficult to describe. My gut feeling is that there are a few lurkers
of the latter kind, which I could track down with time (but I've been
short of that lately).

Example: the sequencer timing is (for my purposes) sufficiently bad in
some circumstances as to make it unusable. I can post millisecond
timings, upload MP3's, whatever, but other people might not notice the
timing problems, and this kind of performance problem is arguably not
a functional bug anyway.

Example 2: in a recent live set, realtime control of the arpeggiation
timing interval generated spurious notes. I consider this a bug, but
it's going to be hard to track it down and describe the exact
circumstances, which might well be due to race conditions. (I do have
a recording of the set, so I will try to reproduce it.)

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Oh yes: the volume-knob-at-zero bug is a howler (literally).

(I'm trying to add it to the database but it seems buggy...)

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Nick Rothwell

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:41 AM

Subject: Re: [xl7] rE: EMU "supporting" their products

Oh yes: the volume-knob-at-zero bug is a howler (literally).

(I'm trying to add it to the database but it seems buggy...)

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Thanx.

rEalm





"Nick Rothwell" <nick@...>
10/02/02 09:38 AM
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> What bugs does everyone keep talking about?  I know Nick's Arp bug has 
> been confirmed, but what other bugs is everyone so keen to see fixed?

There's a difference between confirmed, reproducible bugs and bugs
which are subtle, debateable, not totally reproducible, or downright
difficult to describe. My gut feeling is that there are a few lurkers
of the latter kind, which I could track down with time (but I've been
short of that lately).

Example: the sequencer timing is (for my purposes) sufficiently bad in
some circumstances as to make it unusable. I can post millisecond
timings, upload MP3's, whatever, but other people might not notice the
timing problems, and this kind of performance problem is arguably not
a functional bug anyway.

Example 2: in a recent live set, realtime control of the arpeggiation
timing interval generated spurious notes. I consider this a bug, but
it's going to be hard to track it down and describe the exact
circumstances, which might well be due to race conditions. (I do have
a recording of the set, so I will try to reproduce it.)

-- 

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I recieved an email from Emu, after asking quite a few questions 
directly to them.  The responses were "this has not been emplimented 
yet" etc.  not a promise, but a lead...

Just to clarify, again, i have few expectations, i am very happy with 
EMU.  I have been since I bought my first ORBIT...

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Thanx.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Nick Rothwell" <nick@c...>
> 10/02/02 09:38 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@y...
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        Re: [xl7] rE:  EMU "supporting" their 
products
> 
> 
> > What bugs does everyone keep talking about?  I know Nick's Arp 
bug has 
> > been confirmed, but what other bugs is everyone so keen to see 
fixed?
> 
> There's a difference between confirmed, reproducible bugs and bugs
> which are subtle, debateable, not totally reproducible, or downright
> difficult to describe. My gut feeling is that there are a few 
lurkers
> of the latter kind, which I could track down with time (but I've 
been
> short of that lately).
> 
> Example: the sequencer timing is (for my purposes) sufficiently bad 
in
> some circumstances as to make it unusable. I can post millisecond
> timings, upload MP3's, whatever, but other people might not notice 
the
> timing problems, and this kind of performance problem is arguably 
not
> a functional bug anyway.
> 
> Example 2: in a recent live set, realtime control of the 
arpeggiation
> timing interval generated spurious notes. I consider this a bug, but
> it's going to be hard to track it down and describe the exact
> circumstances, which might well be due to race conditions. (I do 
have
> a recording of the set, so I will try to reproduce it.)
> 
> -- 
> 
>   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
http://www.cassiel.com
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Well said man!! This kind of support is what gives me the confidence to 
continue buying EMU/Ensoniq products. Good work EMU!!! 

P.S. I would still like to see an ASR-X PRO update (its not a dinosaur yet)!

> There is no such thing as a bug that is not reproduceable.

Bugs in systems whose timing behaviour is complex (like, say, a
sequencing and arpeggiation engine doing dynamic voice allocation) can
exhibit unreproduceable bugs (or more correctly, bugs which manifest
themselves sufficiently rarely and under sufficiently unusual
combinations of circumstances that they cannot be reproduced on
demand).

> If there are timing issues, you *should* reproduce them, record
> them, publish them and forward them to E-mu don't you think?

Yes, now that I know that the OS is still under maintenance.

> In regard to the spurios notes that popped up live, since you have a
> recording, can you make a small snippet mp3 of the negative event
> and post it here?

Will do, once the live rig is unpacked again.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com