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I've been looking to put some of the MIDI B channels to work as 
locations for presets that I just activate via the trigger buttons 
with latch enabled, but I've run into a problem.  It seems that with 
the current XX-7 software, a preset on a channel will only change 
with a pattern when there is some note data for it on one of the 16 
tracks.  So here's my problem:  I want to be able to use a different 
preset with my first 4 B channels so I can but pads and sfx and stuff 
on them and just latch them on and forget about them, not having to 
take up a track or one of the A channels.  I have track 16 setup to 
control my sampler on channel 16B, so I tried putting some notes down 
on all B channels 1 - 4 (track 16 is MultiB).  This works as far as 
pattern switching goes, but I can still hear the notes play, even at 
1 velocity and zero length.  How can I change my B channel presets 
along with my patterns without having to put down note data?  Is 
there another way around this?  Along the same lines, how do most 
people on the forum take advantage of the MIDI B channels?

Thanks in advance.

sapo

You're on the right track (no pun intended).  Instead of putting notes
into the track, try putting a controller in there (it'll work just as
well).  This is also a good way to set up volume and pan for those
channels.  One easy way to do this is to go into step record and on the
first step (1.1.000) set the volume and pan knobs (the 3rd and 4th mode
of the knob matrix) for all the channels you want.  This unfortunately
has the side effect of setting the A channels' volumes as well, but if
you hit stop three times, it will reset them back (and also will set
the B channels to the new values.

So, to recap:
1-go to track 16 (your MultiB track)
2-RTZ (press stop twice)
3-hit record till you're in step record
4-hit the knob selector button till it's on volume
5-for each B channel you want to save preset data for, set the level
6-if desired, repeat steps 3-4 for pan
7-hit stop 3 times (once to end rec, once to RTZ, once to reset values)
8-save

Step 7 is important, otherwise you will save incorrect values for the A
channels.

-Aaron

--- joesapo <joesapo@...> wrote:
> so I tried putting some notes down on all B channels 1 - 4
> (track 16 is MultiB).  This works, but I can still hear the
> notes play

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Thanks alot synthesis77...  your method seemed to work pretty well.  
Now my only problem is that the note value on the trigger buttons 
doesn't change either, so I think i'm gonna have to make individual 
presets for anything I want to put on the trigger buttons and just 
transpose accordingly.  Thanks alot man!

sapo

--- In xl7@y..., Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> You're on the right track (no pun intended).  Instead of putting 
notes
> into the track, try putting a controller in there (it'll work just 
as
> well).  This is also a good way to set up volume and pan for those
> channels.  One easy way to do this is to go into step record and on 
the
> first step (1.1.000) set the volume and pan knobs (the 3rd and 4th 
mode
> of the knob matrix) for all the channels you want.  This 
unfortunately
> has the side effect of setting the A channels' volumes as well, but 
if
> you hit stop three times, it will reset them back (and also will set
> the B channels to the new values.
> 
> So, to recap:
> 1-go to track 16 (your MultiB track)
> 2-RTZ (press stop twice)
> 3-hit record till you're in step record
> 4-hit the knob selector button till it's on volume
> 5-for each B channel you want to save preset data for, set the level
> 6-if desired, repeat steps 3-4 for pan
> 7-hit stop 3 times (once to end rec, once to RTZ, once to reset 
values)
> 8-save
> 
> Step 7 is important, otherwise you will save incorrect values for 
the A
> channels.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- joesapo <joesapo@y...> wrote:
> > so I tried putting some notes down on all B channels 1 - 4
> > (track 16 is MultiB).  This works, but I can still hear the
> > notes play
> 
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09/06/02 10:49 PM
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I've been looking to put some of the MIDI B channels to work as
locations for presets that I just activate via the trigger buttons
with latch enabled, but I've run into a problem. �It seems that with
the current XX-7 software, a preset on a channel will only change
with a pattern when there is some note data for it on one of the 16
tracks. �So here's my problem: �I want to be able to use a different
preset with my first 4 B channels so I can but pads and sfx and stuff
on them and just latch them on and forget about them, not having to
take up a track or one of the A channels. �I have track 16 setup to
control my sampler on channel 16B, so I tried putting some notes down
on all B channels 1 - 4 (track 16 is MultiB). �This works as far as
pattern switching goes, but I can still hear the notes play, even at
1 velocity and zero length. �How can I change my B channel presets
along with my patterns without having to put down note data? �Is
there another way around this? �Along the same lines, how do most
people on the forum take advantage of the MIDI B channels?

Thanks in advance.

sapo


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-----Original Message-----
From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:42 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Using triggers

I did the same thing you're suggesting, and use the B-channels to set up my own user arp Presets to use with the Triggers. �Once you assign your Presets to the correct B-channels, just save the multiset up. �That way you only have to load themultisetup once when you first power on (or not, assuming you haven't loaded any new multi's). �Because the Presets will remain until you change them, this should work.

rEalm



joesapo

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I've been looking to put some of the MIDI B channels to work as
locations for presets that I just activate via the trigger buttons
with latch enabled, but I've run into a problem. �It seems that with
the current XX-7 software, a preset on a channel will only change
with a pattern when there is some note data for it on one of the 16
tracks. �So here's my problem: �I want to be able to use a different
preset with my first 4 B channels so I can but pads and sfx and stuff
on them and just latch them on and forget about them, not having to
take up a track or one of the A channels. �I have track 16 setup to
control my sampler on channel 16B, so I tried putting some notes down
on all B channels 1 - 4 (track 16 is MultiB). �This works as far as
pattern switching goes, but I can still hear the notes play, even at
1 velocity and zero length. �How can I change my B channel presets
along with my patterns without having to put down note data? �Is
there another way around this?  Along the same lines, how do most
people on the forum take advantage of the MIDI B channels?

Thanks in advance.

sapo


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Has anybody used their XX7 to trigger a soundbyte from their PC 
within an sound application? I am trying to let the XL7 play and at a 
certain point in the XL7 song, I would like it to trigger a sample 
while the music on the XL7 is still playing.

Can I do a song file on the PC that is mixing midi and wav tracks to 
control XX7? If I can do this, how do I turn off the annoying midi 
circus music from the mix on my pc in Cubase?

Should I be looking a hardware solution instead trying to combine my 
PC?

Signed,
Stumped in San Diego (aka Greg)

On 11/15/02 5:36 PM, "Greg" <golerage@...> wrote:

> Has anybody used their XX7 to trigger a soundbyte from their PC
> within an sound application? I am trying to let the XL7 play and at a
> certain point in the XL7 song, I would like it to trigger a sample
> while the music on the XL7 is still playing.
> 
> Can I do a song file on the PC that is mixing midi and wav tracks to
> control XX7? If I can do this, how do I turn off the annoying midi
> circus music from the mix on my pc in Cubase?
> 
> Should I be looking a hardware solution instead trying to combine my
> PC?
> 
> Signed,
> Stumped in San Diego (aka Greg)

Greg a lot of this has to do with what software you want to trigger.  What
it boils down to is does the software let you control features (like trigger
samples) from MIDI notes and also does it allow MIDI control changes (CCs)
to control parameters.

One program that works very well with external triggers and controls is
Ableton Live.  I suspect that it paired with the XX7 is a killer
combination.  It is on my list of things to investigate but having used lIve
already a bit I know it is very good at letting you set up controls using
MIDI notes and control changes.

Some of the heavier weight sequencer packages like Cubase (SX) and Logic let
you create control setups where almost any external control can affect the
programs operation.  Something like triggering a sample though is
program-specific.  I know, for example, that Logic has its so-called WAV
device for this purpose.  Of course in this day and age of VSTi's you just a
plug-in sampler away from sample triggering in almost any sequencer package.

Another good candidate for working along side the XX7 is Reason.  This too
has a good deal of MIDI control that you can customize.  There are other
programs as well.

One area worth exploring is using the PC only as a sampler and a sound
module, of sorts, for the XX7.  Kind of like adding some external synths.
Reason is a good option here, as are some of the NI software instruments
(which can work stand alone).  Orion is another program that comes to mind
which has good software instrument hosting capabilities.  Cubase (SX) or
Logic can also be used for this purpose though the setup is a tad more
involved, but still very doable.  Steinberg has also announced a "virtual
rack" program that lets you turn your PC into a rack of software instruments
(VSTi's).

You can also use the PC sequencer and XX7 in tandem in a number of ways.
One way is to simply synchronize the two so that the XX7 plays its
song/pattern and the PC sequencer does the same.  You can even set things up
so that the XX7 controls the PLAY-STOP aspects of both.  This might be a
good  approach to combining audio tracks with the XX7.

Or you can of course just use the XX7 as a sound module for the PC
sequencer.

if all your trying to do is add a bit or recorded audio/samples to an XX7
song and still retain the XX7's instructiveness and "playability" I would
suggest using something like a software sampler on the PC.  Reason works
very well for this.  You should also investigate Live as it is really very
much designed for interactive manipulations of sampled audio and as I said
it should work very well with the XX7.

These programs are all available for download trials/demos so give them a
look!

If I didn't get to the heart of your question hit me back!

drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

Thanks drk, This will put me into the woodshed for a
little while.

-Greg

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