Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Maybe an option to edit patterns via eloader - cut certain bars, 
leave others uncut, sound editing (a visual preset edit menu) and A 
pattern arrager. 

what do u think?

That would be nice. In addition to that wouldn't be
cool to have digital interface to tweak the parameters
of preset. So you could see a whole array of settings
on one screen for various effects and levels. I have
this luxury with GenEdit software for editing my
presets on a Digitech GNX3 guitar processor. It also
lets you preview your edits in real time via midi.

-greg
--- adamhertzano <adamhertzano@...> wrote:
> Maybe an option to edit patterns via eloader - cut
> certain bars, 
> leave others uncut, sound editing (a visual preset
> edit menu) and A 
> pattern arrager. 
> 
> what do u think?
> 
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--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:

 Hi REalm,

> Sadly, I don't think we'e going to hear any good news about any of 
these 
> wonderful ideas.  I'm hoping that's not the case, but....
> 
>>>>you´ve been always well informed about whats going on at EMU. 
Can you go into details??

I´ve seen about a hundred mails from the group suggesting things 
that should be sorted out in the new OS. (At least the box is 
working now!) Nearly no reaction from the EMU guys. Thats very 
different from how they attended this group a year ago. Take into 
account their presence at the namm show and the frankfurt messe. And 
how they dropped their prices, reboxed their products again and 
again (command stations, p2500, the keyboards XX-6 etc.)and no new 
develloped gear as it seems - it´s like a big sell out - then I have 
a bad feeling about this EMU company.

Any EMU employee who can tell whats going on? I guess I am not the 
only one who is interested in the fate of your conmpany that has 
released so many fine products.

All the best to you

Heinrich
> 
> 
>

heinrich22001 wrote:
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> 
>  Hi REalm,
> 
> > Sadly, I don't think we'e going to hear any good news about any of
> these
> > wonderful ideas.  I'm hoping that's not the case, but....
> >
> >>>>you\ufffdve been always well informed about whats going on at EMU.
> Can you go into details??
> 
> I\ufffdve seen about a hundred mails from the group suggesting things
> that should be sorted out in the new OS. (At least the box is
> working now!) Nearly no reaction from the EMU guys. Thats very
> different from how they attended this group a year ago. Take into
> account their presence at the namm show and the frankfurt messe. And
> how they dropped their prices, reboxed their products again and
> again (command stations, p2500, the keyboards XX-6 etc.)and no new
> develloped gear as it seems - it\ufffds like a big sell out - then I have
> a bad feeling about this EMU company.
> 
> Any EMU employee who can tell whats going on? I guess I am not the
> only one who is interested in the fate of your conmpany that has
> released so many fine products.
> 

Thanks for the concern. We are fine, new products are always in
development, including the Emulator 5 software sampler, and we have
lowered our prices due to the lack luster economy. We simply are being
much more aggressive than others. XL/MP-7 software development is still
in discussion and no definitive decision has been made on its future.
September has 30 days, I may need them all before I can give you some
more information regarding our direction with future xx-7 development.

Another note. As products mature and we go through a few OS releases,
our involvement on user lists, especially from our engineers will
typically ramp down. 

sean at e-mu / ensoniq

> > 
> > Any EMU employee who can tell whats going on? I guess I am not 
the
> > only one who is interested in the fate of your conmpany that has
> > released so many fine products.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the concern. We are fine, new products are always in
> development, including the Emulator 5 software sampler, and we have
> lowered our prices due to the lack luster economy. We simply are 
being
> much more aggressive than others. XL/MP-7 software development is 
still
> in discussion and no definitive decision has been made on its 
future.
> September has 30 days, I may need them all before I can give you 
some
> more information regarding our direction with future xx-7 
development.
> 
> Another note. As products mature and we go through a few OS 
releases,
> our involvement on user lists, especially from our engineers will
> typically ramp down. 
> 
> sean at e-mu / ensoniq


Jesus, you´re really proving me wrong!!
Thanx for your very quick reply. Good to see you alive and kicking!
What can we do to convice Emu about a further OS development for the 
XX-7? I for my part believe there are still a lot of people 
interested in one good groove box. If only some of all those 
suggestions would be implemented in the XX-7 fo better live use - or 
more sequencer features - I as a customer would pay for a new OS.

This box could be the best of all groove boxes I you did that. 

Suggestion: Would further and fair reviews of the XX-7 group on 
harmonycentral and sonicstate be a way to make up your decision 
about going on with a new OS???

Thanx for listening

Heinrich

New O.S.s have proven valuable to companies by extending the life of a
product and allowing them to re-introduce it over and over again as a new
product at music fairs and in literature. Access and the Virus comes to
mind. Also Novation used this with their Supernova a couple of years back.
In those companies' cases, the new O.S. added voices and effects.

E-mu should definately stay with incremental O.S. improvements and fixes as
they really must with all recently released products (at least as long as
they are still selling them!) or they will lose valuable good will of
consumers for future products. On the other hand, I wonder if perhaps us
users are a tad impatient. Who says we are to get new O.S. every 6 months
anyway? I agree we should get one asap to fix bugs. But new features? Sure I
want them, but I do have in front of me what I agreed to buy a few months
back don't I?

Support is a meaningful part of quality and the reason to go with one
company over another in an increasingly competitive market. Especially in
these day's of internet communications where people can easily post their
reviews, and most smart shoppers, an perhaps at least the 10 percent of
music store salespeople who aren't dumber than the dumbest musicians, will
read these reviews before buying or recommending the purchase of new
products.

For a big payoff, however, (selling a whole bunch more units) E-mu should
consider a big 2.0 O.S. release to re-invent or re-release the product, a la
Access or Novation, etc. Add some major features. Megamix comes to mind.
Also related are use generatable beats mode beats. This is like megamix and
can breath new life into a product by allowing 3rd parties to create and
sell beats, much as patches are done.

A robust 3rd party market is always good to sell more units. E-mu could also
look to investing in persons who would create patterns; not just for filling
up new products, but for creating new products, pattern packs, beats packs,
patch packs, etc to sell. I think Sonic Foundry with all their Acid Loops
must find this process valuable to sales. It doesn't always have to be in
the form of highly priced ROM sets. Sure there is the issue of piracy. But I
think Waldorf is selling sound sets and I haven't seen them floating around.
Loyal companies begat loyal customers.

Another cool thing to do (or sneaky, depending on how you look at it), which
would please us users, and appease the bosses at Creative, would be to
consider releasing Command Stations II (sort of like the Turbo models) that
perhaps had a different box or something, to make them a whole new product,
but also allow those of us with older Command Stations to simply apply an
O.S. upgrade to get the same features. Then two birds are killed. New
product (new paintjob?) and new O.S.!

Just my thoughts, Sean. Good luck!

Ravi

> Thanx for at least giving us some hope Sean, always appreciated.

I didn't see it as a message of hope, really just a statement of
non-commitment, which is what one would expect on such a public
forum. But the channel's open, which is the important thing, and if it
allows us to lobby E-mu, so much the better.

> But since many of us (and not just here) are eagerly 
> awaiting a few new features (and there are so many possibilities!), just 
> wanted to see what we can do to help.

Actually, I'd rather have bug fixes than new features. Not much point
having new stuff in the sequencer if the arpeggiator plays out of key,
after all...

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

--- Nick Rothwell <nick@...> wrote:
> Not much point having new stuff in the sequencer if
> the arpeggiator plays out of key, after all...

???  Is there something wrong with the arpeggiator or were you just
making a joke?  I'm unaware of a bug that makes the arps play in the
wrong key!

-Aaron

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> ???  Is there something wrong with the arpeggiator or were you just
> making a joke?  I'm unaware of a bug that makes the arps play in the
> wrong key!

See the bug database for this mailing list on www.yahoogroups.com... I
put a detailed report there a couple of months ago, and as I recall I
also posted it here.

In short: presets take on the extension interval of the previous
preset in the slot.

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