Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I currently produce trance music mostly with Reason software and 
other soft synths and am looking to buy a hardware synth that has bad-
ass leads (good analog too), basses, strings, FX, and drums. Is there 
1 workstation that can accomplish all of these??? It doesn't seem 
like the xl7 can do it all but it does have some nice sounds. I 
started looking into the Korg Karma but it seems to be geared more 
toward organic, Milli Vanilli type sounds & beats.

I need to hear from someone who produces trance and has experience 
with lots of gear so I can get into the right thing. 

I would rather pay more to buy 1 workstation that does it all than 
buy a bunch of separate equipment.

Any help would be most appreciated!!!!

Thanks in advance.

Cory

Workstation like with sequencer and stuff? or just the synth?

For Trance Synths

Novation Supernova has the warmest sounds ever :)
Yamaha CS6X or CS6XR <- rack version where meant for trance. It has 
like 128 appregios. Most of them trancy.
I have the CS2X and I battle myself to make a hard house track, cause 
I start with punchy beats, phat hoovery baseline; and as soon as I 
touch that keyboard, everything turns intro trance somehow... Like 
BXR kinda thing, you know. CS6X uses Yamaha's AWM2 (or something) 
Wave synth technology but you can expand it with a Analog board for 
Analog Synthesis if you still insist.

Access Virus B is way phat too.

If I had the money I would get myself the Novation Supernova. It does 
have like the highest specs in polyphony and LFOs and shit.
But the Novations Supernova PRO X III is like $4000 ? But worthed.
I was playing with the regular Novation supernova at GUitar center 
and it was priced to $2100.

Another great synth around is the Waldorf Q. But I would pick the 
Micro Q for Happy Hardcore, Hard House, Techno; You know, Hard stuff.

Don't even think into getting the ROland JP series cause they suck 
ass. Anything I have bought from Roland sucks ass. Maybe just the dr-
202 it's kinda cool...

go to www.harmony-central.com and look at the synth reviews, or go to 
www.synthplanet.com and print out the specs of each synth, sit down 
with a cup of coffe and compare them.

About Trancy Workstations

Don't get MC Roland series cause they are toys and they suck ass.

I have an RS7000 from Yamaha, and again it's difficult to me to get 
Hard House sounds out of it. Everything turns trance.
But with the XL-7 the Hard stuff comes right easily :)

Blessed Beats
-Dave-


--- In xl7@y..., scory5@q... wrote:
> I currently produce trance music mostly with Reason software and 
> other soft synths and am looking to buy a hardware synth that has 
bad-
> ass leads (good analog too), basses, strings, FX, and drums. Is 
there 
> 1 workstation that can accomplish all of these??? It doesn't seem 
> like the xl7 can do it all but it does have some nice sounds. I 
> started looking into the Korg Karma but it seems to be geared more 
> toward organic, Milli Vanilli type sounds & beats.
> 
> I need to hear from someone who produces trance and has experience 
> with lots of gear so I can get into the right thing. 
> 
> I would rather pay more to buy 1 workstation that does it all than 
> buy a bunch of separate equipment.
> 
> Any help would be most appreciated!!!!
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Cory

You will find most of the folks getting money to do this don't just
use one thing.  The plain truth is it takes a couple of synths to
really cover what you need.  Here are some of my recommendations /
personal uses:

Waldorf Microwave : I prefer the orginal Microwave to the II or XT
still.  Your milage may vary.  Once you use one for a few days and
re-listen to trance, you will understand just how much this beastie
gets around.  Used : Pads, Leads, Strange noises

Nord Lead 3 : Possibly getting into being over used these days, still
a solid performer.  Analog style controls, so you get some knobs to
tweek.  Reasonable keyboard with goofy wooden bender.  Used : Bass
Leads, some FX / Noises

With those two, a resonable effects box that can do tempo sync delay
and a mixer you could be in business.  You can use the Reason stuff
for drums.  If you have the money I would recommed an XL-1, because it
covers so many bases for this so well. It is probably the best pad
generator out of what I have mentioned, and has some resonable drum
kits in it.  Don't expect to get really good leads out of it (your
milage my vary).  The Bass sounds will never be as powerful as the
Nord, but all around the module is quite amazing.

Hope that helps.

Bruce

Oh yeah, I use lots of Roland gear.  Not all of it sucks. (MKS-80?)

--- In xl7@y..., scory5@q... wrote:
> I currently produce trance music mostly with Reason software and 
> other soft synths and am looking to buy a hardware synth that has bad-
> ass leads (good analog too), basses, strings, FX, and drums. Is there 
> 1 workstation that can accomplish all of these??? It doesn't seem 
> like the xl7 can do it all but it does have some nice sounds. I 
> started looking into the Korg Karma but it seems to be geared more 
> toward organic, Milli Vanilli type sounds & beats.
> 
> I need to hear from someone who produces trance and has experience 
> with lots of gear so I can get into the right thing. 
> 
> I would rather pay more to buy 1 workstation that does it all than 
> buy a bunch of separate equipment.
> 
> Any help would be most appreciated!!!!
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Cory

right on dude....thanks! thatl keep me busy in my research for sure.

Out of all of those you mentioned, which has a sequencer included? I 
would prefebably like a keboard synth because I'm more hands-on. Any 
keyboard synth workstations that can do it all trance wise? I'm a 
very pickey producer, I'll spend 3 hours getting a high-hat to sound 
the way I want with the right combo of FX n stuff so I need something 
that is totally modular and editable.

Thanks again!

Cory







--- In xl7@y..., "dj Dave Jumpers" <jumpers@i...> wrote:
> Workstation like with sequencer and stuff? or just the synth?
> 
> For Trance Synths
> 
> Novation Supernova has the warmest sounds ever :)
> Yamaha CS6X or CS6XR <- rack version where meant for trance. It has 
> like 128 appregios. Most of them trancy.
> I have the CS2X and I battle myself to make a hard house track, 
cause 
> I start with punchy beats, phat hoovery baseline; and as soon as I 
> touch that keyboard, everything turns intro trance somehow... Like 
> BXR kinda thing, you know. CS6X uses Yamaha's AWM2 (or something) 
> Wave synth technology but you can expand it with a Analog board for 
> Analog Synthesis if you still insist.
> 
> Access Virus B is way phat too.
> 
> If I had the money I would get myself the Novation Supernova. It 
does 
> have like the highest specs in polyphony and LFOs and shit.
> But the Novations Supernova PRO X III is like $4000 ? But worthed.
> I was playing with the regular Novation supernova at GUitar center 
> and it was priced to $2100.
> 
> Another great synth around is the Waldorf Q. But I would pick the 
> Micro Q for Happy Hardcore, Hard House, Techno; You know, Hard 
stuff.
> 
> Don't even think into getting the ROland JP series cause they suck 
> ass. Anything I have bought from Roland sucks ass. Maybe just the 
dr-
> 202 it's kinda cool...
> 
> go to www.harmony-central.com and look at the synth reviews, or go 
to 
> www.synthplanet.com and print out the specs of each synth, sit down 
> with a cup of coffe and compare them.
> 
> About Trancy Workstations
> 
> Don't get MC Roland series cause they are toys and they suck ass.
> 
> I have an RS7000 from Yamaha, and again it's difficult to me to get 
> Hard House sounds out of it. Everything turns trance.
> But with the XL-7 the Hard stuff comes right easily :)
> 
> Blessed Beats
> -Dave-
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., scory5@q... wrote:
> > I currently produce trance music mostly with Reason software and 
> > other soft synths and am looking to buy a hardware synth that has 
> bad-
> > ass leads (good analog too), basses, strings, FX, and drums. Is 
> there 
> > 1 workstation that can accomplish all of these??? It doesn't seem 
> > like the xl7 can do it all but it does have some nice sounds. I 
> > started looking into the Korg Karma but it seems to be geared 
more 
> > toward organic, Milli Vanilli type sounds & beats.
> > 
> > I need to hear from someone who produces trance and has 
experience 
> > with lots of gear so I can get into the right thing. 
> > 
> > I would rather pay more to buy 1 workstation that does it all 
than 
> > buy a bunch of separate equipment.
> > 
> > Any help would be most appreciated!!!!
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Cory

The Roland JP series which I don't recommend ( pls don't buy that 
shite ) You can record your own appregios and play them with the 
keyboard or with an external sequencer. I think the Novation can do 
that too.

They all have appregios, not really a sequencer.

Your best bet is to use an external sequencer.
RS7000, Akai MPC or the XL-7

Cause all this synths, have Preset Appregios. You know, like up down 
octaves and simple stuff. The CS6X has the most preset appregios tho. 
128. Pretty neat appregios, kind of sliced. Oh and it has a 
smartmedia card slot so you can save your stuff.
The others you have to save through MIDI bulk.

Now if you really want Desktop sequencers/synth. Yamaha has the AN200 
and DX200
http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gTGN00005AN200
http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gTGN00005DX200

Analog and FM synths they have a 16 step sequencer ( like buttons to 
do what you do with Reason but just 16) lots of knobs, but they are 
not as phat as the others I mentioned before. I quote they Yamaha 
website "...A Kickin' Home Studio..."

I feel bad talking so much about Yamaha and others gear on a EMU 
group tho :/ 
But for real, are there any trance oriented Desktop synths with 
sequencer from EMU? Cause I would like to try one.

You should also download the manual from the internet, read their 
overview and go to the store and play with it.
I do that all the time to carefully select my gear.
That's the best thing to do.
For real, Store attendants love to be asked a million questions and 
then see you leave buying just a MIDI cable or something.
You can then go and buy your stuff from a cheaper store or website.

peace
-Dave-


--- In xl7@y..., scory5@q... wrote:
> right on dude....thanks! thatl keep me busy in my research for sure.
> 
> Out of all of those you mentioned, which has a sequencer included? 
I 
> would prefebably like a keboard synth because I'm more hands-on. 
Any 
> keyboard synth workstations that can do it all trance wise? I'm a 
> very pickey producer, I'll spend 3 hours getting a high-hat to 
sound 
> the way I want with the right combo of FX n stuff so I need 
something 
> that is totally modular and editable.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Cory
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "dj Dave Jumpers" <jumpers@i...> wrote:
> > Workstation like with sequencer and stuff? or just the synth?
> > 
> > For Trance Synths
> > 
> > Novation Supernova has the warmest sounds ever :)
> > Yamaha CS6X or CS6XR <- rack version where meant for trance. It 
has 
> > like 128 appregios. Most of them trancy.
> > I have the CS2X and I battle myself to make a hard house track, 
> cause 
> > I start with punchy beats, phat hoovery baseline; and as soon as 
I 
> > touch that keyboard, everything turns intro trance somehow... 
Like 
> > BXR kinda thing, you know. CS6X uses Yamaha's AWM2 (or something) 
> > Wave synth technology but you can expand it with a Analog board 
for 
> > Analog Synthesis if you still insist.
> > 
> > Access Virus B is way phat too.
> > 
> > If I had the money I would get myself the Novation Supernova. It 
> does 
> > have like the highest specs in polyphony and LFOs and shit.
> > But the Novations Supernova PRO X III is like $4000 ? But worthed.
> > I was playing with the regular Novation supernova at GUitar 
center 
> > and it was priced to $2100.
> > 
> > Another great synth around is the Waldorf Q. But I would pick the 
> > Micro Q for Happy Hardcore, Hard House, Techno; You know, Hard 
> stuff.
> > 
> > Don't even think into getting the ROland JP series cause they 
suck 
> > ass. Anything I have bought from Roland sucks ass. Maybe just the 
> dr-
> > 202 it's kinda cool...
> > 
> > go to www.harmony-central.com and look at the synth reviews, or 
go 
> to 
> > www.synthplanet.com and print out the specs of each synth, sit 
down 
> > with a cup of coffe and compare them.
> > 
> > About Trancy Workstations
> > 
> > Don't get MC Roland series cause they are toys and they suck ass.
> > 
> > I have an RS7000 from Yamaha, and again it's difficult to me to 
get 
> > Hard House sounds out of it. Everything turns trance.
> > But with the XL-7 the Hard stuff comes right easily :)
> > 
> > Blessed Beats
> > -Dave-
> > 
>

You guys rule! for real, I never expected so much help and guidence. 
manythankyous!!!

respect, cory



--- In xl7@y..., "dj Dave Jumpers" <jumpers@i...> wrote:
> The Roland JP series which I don't recommend ( pls don't buy that 
> shite ) You can record your own appregios and play them with the 
> keyboard or with an external sequencer. I think the Novation can do 
> that too.
> 
> They all have appregios, not really a sequencer.
> 
> Your best bet is to use an external sequencer.
> RS7000, Akai MPC or the XL-7
> 
> Cause all this synths, have Preset Appregios. You know, like up 
down 
> octaves and simple stuff. The CS6X has the most preset appregios 
tho. 
> 128. Pretty neat appregios, kind of sliced. Oh and it has a 
> smartmedia card slot so you can save your stuff.
> The others you have to save through MIDI bulk.
> 
> Now if you really want Desktop sequencers/synth. Yamaha has the 
AN200 
> and DX200
> http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gTGN00005AN200
> http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gTGN00005DX200
> 
> Analog and FM synths they have a 16 step sequencer ( like buttons 
to 
> do what you do with Reason but just 16) lots of knobs, but they are 
> not as phat as the others I mentioned before. I quote they Yamaha 
> website "...A Kickin' Home Studio..."
> 
> I feel bad talking so much about Yamaha and others gear on a EMU 
> group tho :/ 
> But for real, are there any trance oriented Desktop synths with 
> sequencer from EMU? Cause I would like to try one.
> 
> You should also download the manual from the internet, read their 
> overview and go to the store and play with it.
> I do that all the time to carefully select my gear.
> That's the best thing to do.
> For real, Store attendants love to be asked a million questions and 
> then see you leave buying just a MIDI cable or something.
> You can then go and buy your stuff from a cheaper store or website.
> 
> peace
> -Dave-
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., scory5@q... wrote:
> > right on dude....thanks! thatl keep me busy in my research for 
sure.
> > 
> > Out of all of those you mentioned, which has a sequencer 
included? 
> I 
> > would prefebably like a keboard synth because I'm more hands-on. 
> Any 
> > keyboard synth workstations that can do it all trance wise? I'm a 
> > very pickey producer, I'll spend 3 hours getting a high-hat to 
> sound 
> > the way I want with the right combo of FX n stuff so I need 
> something 
> > that is totally modular and editable.
> > 
> > Thanks again!
> > 
> > Cory
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., "dj Dave Jumpers" <jumpers@i...> wrote:
> > > Workstation like with sequencer and stuff? or just the synth?
> > > 
> > > For Trance Synths
> > > 
> > > Novation Supernova has the warmest sounds ever :)
> > > Yamaha CS6X or CS6XR <- rack version where meant for trance. It 
> has 
> > > like 128 appregios. Most of them trancy.
> > > I have the CS2X and I battle myself to make a hard house track, 
> > cause 
> > > I start with punchy beats, phat hoovery baseline; and as soon 
as 
> I 
> > > touch that keyboard, everything turns intro trance somehow... 
> Like 
> > > BXR kinda thing, you know. CS6X uses Yamaha's AWM2 (or 
something) 
> > > Wave synth technology but you can expand it with a Analog board 
> for 
> > > Analog Synthesis if you still insist.
> > > 
> > > Access Virus B is way phat too.
> > > 
> > > If I had the money I would get myself the Novation Supernova. 
It 
> > does 
> > > have like the highest specs in polyphony and LFOs and shit.
> > > But the Novations Supernova PRO X III is like $4000 ? But 
worthed.
> > > I was playing with the regular Novation supernova at GUitar 
> center 
> > > and it was priced to $2100.
> > > 
> > > Another great synth around is the Waldorf Q. But I would pick 
the 
> > > Micro Q for Happy Hardcore, Hard House, Techno; You know, Hard 
> > stuff.
> > > 
> > > Don't even think into getting the ROland JP series cause they 
> suck 
> > > ass. Anything I have bought from Roland sucks ass. Maybe just 
the 
> > dr-
> > > 202 it's kinda cool...
> > > 
> > > go to www.harmony-central.com and look at the synth reviews, or 
> go 
> > to 
> > > www.synthplanet.com and print out the specs of each synth, sit 
> down 
> > > with a cup of coffe and compare them.
> > > 
> > > About Trancy Workstations
> > > 
> > > Don't get MC Roland series cause they are toys and they suck 
ass.
> > > 
> > > I have an RS7000 from Yamaha, and again it's difficult to me to 
> get 
> > > Hard House sounds out of it. Everything turns trance.
> > > But with the XL-7 the Hard stuff comes right easily :)
> > > 
> > > Blessed Beats
> > > -Dave-
> > > 
> >

http://www.mp3.com/koering  ---> SOME SOUNDS



----- Original Message -----
From: <scory5@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: [xl7] gear to get?????


> I currently produce trance music mostly with Reason software and
> other soft synths and am looking to buy a hardware synth that has bad-
> ass leads (good analog too), basses, strings, FX, and drums. Is there
> 1 workstation that can accomplish all of these??? It doesn't seem
> like the xl7 can do it all but it does have some nice sounds. I
> started looking into the Korg Karma but it seems to be geared more
> toward organic, Milli Vanilli type sounds & beats.
>
> I need to hear from someone who produces trance and has experience
> with lots of gear so I can get into the right thing.
>
> I would rather pay more to buy 1 workstation that does it all than
> buy a bunch of separate equipment.
>
> Any help would be most appreciated!!!!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cory
>
>
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dj Dave Jumpers wrote:

> Your best bet is to use an external sequencer.
> RS7000, Akai MPC or the XL-7

I agree.  Personally, I think the XL-7 has the best synth architecture of the
bunch, but then again, I'm biased. =)


> Cause all this synths, have Preset Appregios. You know, like up down
> octaves and simple stuff. The CS6X has the most preset appregios tho.
> 128. Pretty neat appregios, kind of sliced.

XL-7 has 300 factory plus 100 user arp patterns.  All 128 voices can be
arpeggiated simultaneously.


> But for real, are there any trance oriented Desktop synths with
> sequencer from EMU? Cause I would like to try one.

I would think the XL-7 fills this need pretty nicely...


> You should also download the manual from the internet, read their
> overview and go to the store and play with it.
> I do that all the time to carefully select my gear.
> That's the best thing to do.

This is totally correct.  Try a synth/sequencer before you buy it.  It's the
best way to see if it works for you.  Get the feel of the UI, sounds, ease of
use, etc. and see if it's something you can live with.


<end of XL-7 plug>
  -Aaron

Well, if you do this with an XL-7 you will buy one.  ITS A TRAP I TELL
YOU!

Ah well, at least the money will be well spent.

8-)

Bruce

> > You should also download the manual from the internet, read their
> > overview and go to the store and play with it.
> > I do that all the time to carefully select my gear.
> > That's the best thing to do.
> 
> This is totally correct.  Try a synth/sequencer before you buy it. 
It's the
> best way to see if it works for you.  Get the feel of the UI,
sounds, ease of
> use, etc. and see if it's something you can live with.
> 
> 
> <end of XL-7 plug>
>   -Aaron

Aaron may be biased, but I agree. I'm getting one which I'll use for 
D&B. Yet, I think the XL-7 would be better for Trance than for D&B. 
It's that cool.



--- In xl7@y..., Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@e...> wrote:
> dj Dave Jumpers wrote:
> 
> > Your best bet is to use an external sequencer.
> > RS7000, Akai MPC or the XL-7
> 
> I agree.  Personally, I think the XL-7 has the best synth 
architecture of the
> bunch, but then again, I'm biased. =)
> 
> 
> > Cause all this synths, have Preset Appregios. You know, like up 
down
> > octaves and simple stuff. The CS6X has the most preset appregios 
tho.
> > 128. Pretty neat appregios, kind of sliced.
> 
> XL-7 has 300 factory plus 100 user arp patterns.  All 128 voices can 
be
> arpeggiated simultaneously.
> 
> 
> > But for real, are there any trance oriented Desktop synths with
> > sequencer from EMU? Cause I would like to try one.
> 
> I would think the XL-7 fills this need pretty nicely...
> 
> 
> > You should also download the manual from the internet, read their
> > overview and go to the store and play with it.
> > I do that all the time to carefully select my gear.
> > That's the best thing to do.
> 
> This is totally correct.  Try a synth/sequencer before you buy it.  
It's the
> best way to see if it works for you.  Get the feel of the UI, 
sounds, ease of
> use, etc. and see if it's something you can live with.
> 
> 
> <end of XL-7 plug>
>   -Aaron