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Going live with the XL-7

Going live with the XL-7

2001-10-03 by alex.udell@autodesk.com

Hi Guys...

I spent some time on the box yesterday at my local MARS.

I love the patches, kits, fx, and arps.  They are great!

The sales person gave me a bit of a tour sequencer.  Seemed pretty straight forward.

I was a little concerned because it semed difficult to tell which tracks had material on them and which did not when muting and "building up" and "breaking down" on the fly.

Can you guys tell me about using the XL-7 live?

Do you use SONG mode or Pattern mode?

What do you guys typically do to prepare for live work?

Also...what's the USB port going to be used for?

Oh yeah....why would I use the Trigger buttons?  Can I use them in conjunction with the repeat button, arps, and touch strip?

Thanks...

Alex

Re: [xl7] Going live with the XL-7

2001-10-03 by Scott Riley

I also find it hard to send patches back and forth.  All the updates are not
complete yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: alex.udell@... <alex.udell@...>
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Date: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:23 AM
Subject: [xl7] Going live with the XL-7


>Hi Guys...
>
>I spent some time on the box yesterday at my local MARS.
>
>I love the patches, kits, fx, and arps.  They are great!
>
>The sales person gave me a bit of a tour sequencer.  Seemed pretty straight
forward.
>
>I was a little concerned because it semed difficult to tell which tracks
had material on them and which did not when muting and "building up" and
"breaking down" on the fly.
>
>Can you guys tell me about using the XL-7 live?
>
>Do you use SONG mode or Pattern mode?
>
>What do you guys typically do to prepare for live work?
>
>Also...what's the USB port going to be used for?
>
>Oh yeah....why would I use the Trigger buttons?  Can I use them in
conjunction with the repeat button, arps, and touch strip?
>
>Thanks...
>
>Alex
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Re: [xl7] Going live with the XL-7

2001-10-03 by Jonathan El-Bizri

>I spent some time on the box yesterday at my local MARS.
>

I got mine from www.altomusic.com. I can't recomend them enough.

>I was a little concerned because it semed difficult to tell which tracks
had material on them and >which did not when muting and "building up" and
"breaking down" on the fly.

The preset patterns in the box all follow the same setup. It's in the
manual. I'm not using them, though I have pilfered a couple of cool grooves.

I've cut square overlays out of card for each song I've written, and placed
around the track buttons on my xl-7, like a channel strip on a mixer, along
with the chords changes of the patterns involved. At first, I tried to put
specific parts on consistent tracks - drums on 1, pads on 9 etc, but in
never works out quite that way. I picked up a mixer light (very cool) so I
can read my crib notes in the dark.

>
>Can you guys tell me about using the XL-7 live?

Well, if you suck, it sounds a bit like this :>

http://207.17.137.52:8080/ramgen/crosstalk(shortattentionspanmix).rm

>
>Do you use SONG mode or Pattern mode?
>

I haven't found much use for song mode yet. I'm not exactly sure I will. I
think it's probably for non-live work, rather than live stuff. I think I
would find it a lot more useful if songs acted like extended patterns
instead - looping rather than stick on the last pattern in the sequence, and
letting you switch from song to song, rather only to grooves. Then you could
make short, 4 patterns songs, and have extra long, complex patterns. This
would rock!

>What do you guys typically do to prepare for live work?
>

Practice, practice, practice. And those cards I mentioned. And get a clear
idea what you're trying to say with each piece you write, even if you are
improvising the song structure or whatever; no noodling about. And make sure
you know what all the knobs do, or you'll bore people. Of course, all this
is just my opinion.

>Also...what's the USB port going to be used for?
>

So you can throw away the midi I/O on your pc, or add a reaktor laptop with
no fuss.

>Oh yeah....why would I use the Trigger buttons?  Can I use them in
conjunction with the repeat
>button, arps, and touch strip?

The triggers are for external gear - triggering samples etc. You sequence
them, but you don't need to, since you can send midi data to other gear
using regular tracks. They are for instant gratification - triggering vocal
samples, or sound effects.

If you don't have much in the way of other gear, you might want to look into
getting a Dr. Sample 303 or something so you can trigger crazy samples on
the fly. And some cheap, crappy effects unit;  I can't live without them.
Those used, early-90s rackmount multieffectors are a fabulous deal these
days.

bIz

Re: Going live with the XL-7

2001-10-04 by alex.udell@autodesk.com

--- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
hey biz

> I've cut square overlays out of card for each song I've written, 
and placed
> around the track buttons on my xl-7, like a channel strip on a 
mixer, along
> with the chords changes of the patterns involved. At first, I tried 
to put
> specific parts on consistent tracks - drums on 1, pads on 9 etc, 
but in
> never works out quite that way. I picked up a mixer light (very 
cool) so I
> can read my crib notes in the dark.

That's a cool idea...

> >
> >Do you use SONG mode or Pattern mode?
> >
> 
> I haven't found much use for song mode yet. I'm not exactly sure I 
will. I
> think it's probably for non-live work, rather than live stuff. I 
think I
> would find it a lot more useful if songs acted like extended 
patterns
> instead - looping rather than stick on the last pattern in the 
sequence, and
> letting you switch from song to song, rather only to grooves. Then 
you could
> make short, 4 patterns songs, and have extra long, complex 
patterns. This
> would rock!

Can't you make patterns of any length you want?  So this should work 
the way you're talking about...just working in pattern mode not in 
song mode...It's just I figure LIVE means LIVE...sure you're going 
to  keep the same basic structure for your song....but perhaps you 
want to extend the break a bit so you hold on that pattern for a bit 
longer before you go to the OUTRO for enxample....


> 
> >What do you guys typically do to prepare for live work?
> >
> 
> Practice, practice, practice. And those cards I mentioned. And get 
a clear
> idea what you're trying to say with each piece you write, even if 
you are
> improvising the song structure or whatever; no noodling about. And 
make sure
> you know what all the knobs do, or you'll bore people. Of course, 
all this
> is just my opinion.
> 
> >Also...what's the USB port going to be used for?
> >
> 
> So you can throw away the midi I/O on your pc, or add a reaktor 
laptop with
> no fuss.
>
cool...does this meet the MLAN spec?
 
> >Oh yeah....why would I use the Trigger buttons?  Can I use them in
> conjunction with the repeat
> >button, arps, and touch strip?
> 
> The triggers are for external gear - triggering samples etc. You 
sequence
> them, but you don't need to, since you can send midi data to other 
gear
> using regular tracks. They are for instant gratification - 
triggering vocal
> samples, or sound effects.
> 
> If you don't have much in the way of other gear, you might want to 
look into
> getting a Dr. Sample 303 or something so you can trigger crazy 
samples on
> the fly. And some cheap, crappy effects unit;  I can't live without 
them.
> Those used, early-90s rackmount multieffectors are a fabulous deal 
these
> days.

Can you use these with the repeat function so live triggers can be 
quantized to the beat?

I have an ASR-X pro I was thinking about pairing this up 
with...sampling and excellent FX...should be a cool combo...

thanks man!

Alex
> 
> bIz

Re: [xl7] Re: Going live with the XL-7

2001-10-04 by Jonathan El-Bizri

>> never works out quite that way. I picked up a mixer light (very cool) so
I
>> can read my crib notes in the dark.
>
>That's a cool idea...

I can't see any way of using the unit without covering it with sticky notes
and song notes on cards. I'll post some gear porn tonight :>, along with
sending those midi files to emu.

>>> make short, 4 patterns songs, and have extra long, complex
>>patterns. This
>>> would rock!
>
>Can't you make patterns of any length you want?
>

The limit is 32 bars. Thinking about it further, longer stuff would be
somewhat 'commiting' which would make it usable in less situations. The main
use I see for longer patterns/sequences etc. would be to create variations -
change the fills and ornamentation on each turnaround/chorus/verse/whatever.

Hmm. You can switch in and out of songs at the end of every pattern can't
you? rather than just waiting for them to end? Perhaps songs would be the
way to do this. I need to explore the function more.

>  So this should work
>the way you're talking about...just working in pattern mode not in
>song mode...It's just I figure LIVE means LIVE...sure you're going
>to  keep the same basic structure for your song....but perhaps you
>want to extend the break a bit so you hold on that pattern for a bit
>longer before you go to the OUTRO for enxample....
>

Yes, the song section seems to be more for recording stuff you would do with
the Pattern section, rather than an extension of it for live use.

>> >Also...what's the USB port going to be used for?
>> >
>> So you can throw away the midi I/O on your pc, or add a reaktor
>laptop with
>> no fuss.
>>
>cool...does this meet the MLAN spec?
>
>It's just midi. It's also a USB port, not an mLAN port.

>>Can you use these with the repeat function so live triggers can be
>>quantized to the beat?
>
>You could do live recording using the pads, on a track pointed to your
outboard gear, though the trigger pads also 'latch'. (Not a problem for the
use you are refering to). The trigger buttons are just for instant sampler
gratification.

>I have an ASR-X pro I was thinking about pairing this up
>with...sampling and excellent FX...should be a cool combo...

Yes, all you need. I'm playing mine with a chapman stick, loopers and a cd
player playing sounds I built at home. (And a bass drum on my back, and
cymbals on my knees, and a harmonica :>)

Re: [xl7] Re: Going live with the XL-7

2001-10-05 by Aaron Eppolito

alex.udell@... wrote:

> It's just I figure LIVE means LIVE...sure you're going
> to  keep the same basic structure for your song....but perhaps you
> want to extend the break a bit so you hold on that pattern for a bit
> longer before you go to the OUTRO for enxample....

This is well accomplished by song mode.  If you go into pattern mode while
playing a song, it grooves on whatever pattern was currently playing
indefinitely.  Then, if you go back to song mode without stopping, it will
pick your song back up at the beginning of the pattern during which you
left.  This way, you can be cruising along through your song, decide that
your audience is really digging that breakbeat in the middle, switch to
pattern mode and improvise over it, then when they finally get ready for the
rest of the song, you can pop right back in...

Perfect for live use where the structure is set, but the duration of each
section is variable.


> > >Also...what's the USB port going to be used for?
> cool...does this meet the MLAN spec?

MLAN is over firewire.


> > >Oh yeah....why would I use the Trigger buttons?  Can I use them in
> > conjunction with the repeat
> > >button, arps, and touch strip?
> >
> > The triggers are for external gear - triggering samples etc.

Not only for external gear, but they are especially cool for latching down
some internal arps.

-Aaron