Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

1- deleting pr changes (mp7 gives every part a prg change, deleted 
them in key edit, are there any other big midithings going on in mp7 
parts? the lag gets slightly less when i mute more midiparts but def. 
doesn't go away entirely)
2- messing with preroll (didn't help at all)
3- changing latency on my echo gina24 (this also makes the lag less 
heavy, strange though... didn't use any audio so me thinks it 
shouldn't do anything)

i changed to the latest gina drivers (allthough i can't imagine it's 
the soundcards fault, but changing latency values did change the 
midilag after all) but that didn't help.
by the way i use win98lite, cubase 5.0R6, portman 2x4.

i understand this probably isn't a  mp7 problem, but maybe someone on 
this group has had some experience with loading mp7 parts in cubase 
and can tell me if it works for them?
any help would be greatly appreciated! thanx,

peter.

What's the actual problem?  You listed that you did to try and 
troubleshoot, but what is happening? What's your midi port too?

rEalm





coscon23 <coscon@...>
05/29/02 10:55 AM
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1- deleting pr changes (mp7 gives every part a prg change, deleted 
them in key edit, are there any other big midithings going on in mp7 
parts? the lag gets slightly less when i mute more midiparts but def. 
doesn't go away entirely)
2- messing with preroll (didn't help at all)
3- changing latency on my echo gina24 (this also makes the lag less 
heavy, strange though... didn't use any audio so me thinks it 
shouldn't do anything)

i changed to the latest gina drivers (allthough i can't imagine it's 
the soundcards fault, but changing latency values did change the 
midilag after all) but that didn't help.
by the way i use win98lite, cubase 5.0R6, portman 2x4.

i understand this probably isn't a  mp7 problem, but maybe someone on 
this group has had some experience with loading mp7 parts in cubase 
and can tell me if it works for them?
any help would be greatly appreciated! thanx,

peter.



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sheeeet... i normally write my post in wordpad... then copy it into 
this posting thing, but i seem to have copied only the last part of 
my problem... 
here's what's happening... i have made a pattern on the mp7, have put 
it into cubase by midifile... if i play it from the top there's an 
extreme lag in timing, very bad... it catches up after a bar or so, 
then it's tight again. when cycling this timing lag happens every 
cyle on bar1, if i cycle from bar 5 (so 5 to 9, instead of 1 to 9) 
it's no problem. 

you read the rest of my message...

i've now also tried to more or less program the pattern again in 
cubase and got it running without problems, so it really seems only 
to be a problem when i'm importing midifiles.

sorry for the inconvenience guys... won't happen again i hope!

peter.






--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What's the actual problem?  You listed that you did to try and 
> troubleshoot, but what is happening? What's your midi port too?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> coscon23 <coscon@i...>
> 05/29/02 10:55 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@y...
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] cubase problem
> 
> 
> 1- deleting pr changes (mp7 gives every part a prg change, deleted 
> them in key edit, are there any other big midithings going on in 
mp7 
> parts? the lag gets slightly less when i mute more midiparts but 
def. 
> doesn't go away entirely)
> 2- messing with preroll (didn't help at all)
> 3- changing latency on my echo gina24 (this also makes the lag less 
> heavy, strange though... didn't use any audio so me thinks it 
> shouldn't do anything)
> 
> i changed to the latest gina drivers (allthough i can't imagine 
it's 
> the soundcards fault, but changing latency values did change the 
> midilag after all) but that didn't help.
> by the way i use win98lite, cubase 5.0R6, portman 2x4.
> 
> i understand this probably isn't a  mp7 problem, but maybe someone 
on 
> this group has had some experience with loading mp7 parts in cubase 
> and can tell me if it works for them?
> any help would be greatly appreciated! thanx,
> 
> peter.
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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It's because when you import it it includes all the program change messages and
sysex needed to get the machine in that state.  You should insert an empty bar
at the beginning, set the temp to 65 or so, move all the controll info from tick
0 of the tracks to this first bar, then insert another tempo change at the
beginning of your track.  It's very quick to do from an event list view.  go to
the first actual note event and split the tracks at that time.  Move everything
before that back.

-----Original Message-----
From: coscon23 [mailto:coscon@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:56 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: cubase problem


sheeeet... i normally write my post in wordpad... then copy it into
this posting thing, but i seem to have copied only the last part of
my problem...
here's what's happening... i have made a pattern on the mp7, have put
it into cubase by midifile... if i play it from the top there's an
extreme lag in timing, very bad... it catches up after a bar or so,
then it's tight again. when cycling this timing lag happens every
cyle on bar1, if i cycle from bar 5 (so 5 to 9, instead of 1 to 9)
it's no problem.

you read the rest of my message...

i've now also tried to more or less program the pattern again in
cubase and got it running without problems, so it really seems only
to be a problem when i'm importing midifiles.

sorry for the inconvenience guys... won't happen again i hope!

peter.






--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What's the actual problem?  You listed that you did to try and
> troubleshoot, but what is happening? What's your midi port too?
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
>
>
> coscon23 <coscon@i...>
> 05/29/02 10:55 AM
> Please respond to xl7
>
>
>         To:     xl7@y...
>         cc:
>         Subject:        [xl7] cubase problem
>
>
> 1- deleting pr changes (mp7 gives every part a prg change, deleted
> them in key edit, are there any other big midithings going on in
mp7
> parts? the lag gets slightly less when i mute more midiparts but
def.
> doesn't go away entirely)
> 2- messing with preroll (didn't help at all)
> 3- changing latency on my echo gina24 (this also makes the lag less
> heavy, strange though... didn't use any audio so me thinks it
> shouldn't do anything)
>
> i changed to the latest gina drivers (allthough i can't imagine
it's
> the soundcards fault, but changing latency values did change the
> midilag after all) but that didn't help.
> by the way i use win98lite, cubase 5.0R6, portman 2x4.
>
> i understand this probably isn't a  mp7 problem, but maybe someone
on
> this group has had some experience with loading mp7 parts in cubase
> and can tell me if it works for them?
> any help would be greatly appreciated! thanx,
>
> peter.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> xl7-unsubscribe@y...
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Here's what's happening.  Basically, when you save a Pattern via E-Loader, 
it not only saves all the midi notes and controllers from your pattern, 
but also the set up parameters for the Pattern as well.  These include 
things like all your program change messages, EFX settings, and some sysex 
stuff too I'm sure.  All of this is saved at the very beginning of the 
pattern, thus when it loops around in Cubase, Cubase has to send ALL of 
that stuff again and again, which is quite a bit of info.  The XL-7 is 
optimized for this huge transfer of MIDI data, Cubase is not.  BTW writing 
in Cubase from the start doesn't cause this, as none of that set up data 
is "prerecorded" yet.

I experienced the exact same thing you described when running Cubase too 
while using my MIDI port on the Layla24, so I understand your frustration. 
 I borrow my girlfriend's MIDISport 2x2 now when I need to edit 
prerecorded Patterns now, and that seemed to fix the problem completely. 
You never mentioned what MIDI port you're using, so I'm not sure if that's 
an issue with you too.  If you can't try another MIDI port, try deleting 
all your PC messages, sysex (in the List Editor), and Aftertouch data. 
That should lean things up nicely, and I'm betting you won't get that 
glitching again.  Just make sure your EFX and Presets are correct when you 
put it back in the XX-7, as they might not be after deleting all of that 
info...

rEalm




sheeeet... i normally write my post in wordpad... then copy it into 
this posting thing, but i seem to have copied only the last part of 
my problem... 
here's what's happening... i have made a pattern on the mp7, have put 
it into cubase by midifile... if i play it from the top there's an 
extreme lag in timing, very bad... it catches up after a bar or so, 
then it's tight again. when cycling this timing lag happens every 
cyle on bar1, if i cycle from bar 5 (so 5 to 9, instead of 1 to 9) 
it's no problem. 

you read the rest of my message...

i've now also tried to more or less program the pattern again in 
cubase and got it running without problems, so it really seems only 
to be a problem when i'm importing midifiles.

> Here's what's happening.  Basically, when you save a Pattern via E-Loader, 
> it not only saves all the midi notes and controllers from your pattern, 
> but also the set up parameters for the Pattern as well.  These include 
> things like all your program change messages, EFX settings, and some sysex 
> stuff too I'm sure.

I've looked at an exported SMF from E-loader, and don't see any sysex:
just program/bank changes, volume, pan, and controllers for arp
status.

> All of this is saved at the very beginning of the 
> pattern, thus when it loops around in Cubase, Cubase has to send ALL of 
> that stuff again and again, which is quite a bit of info.  The XL-7 is 
> optimized for this huge transfer of MIDI data, Cubase is not.

Doesn't the XL-7 manual state that the pattern sequencer does *not* go
back to Tick 0 when it loops? A software sequencer will.

-- 

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I've looked at an exported SMF from E-loader, and don't see any sysex: 
just program/bank changes, volume, pan, and controllers for arp status.

>>>I wasn't sure, that's why I said "might" :) <<<

Doesn't the XL-7 manual state that the pattern sequencer does *not* go 
back to Tick 0 when it loops? A software sequencer will.

>>>Exactly my point.  Still, with a fast MIDI port, it still shouldn't be 
a problem.  My $700 Layla24 glitches like this when it loops, the $59 
MIDIsport 2x2 doesn't, go figure. <<<

rEalm