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The End of an Era

The End of an Era

2019-10-16 by smw-mail@...

Someone from a group I subscribe to alerted me to the coming end of an era; just passing on the info. (See below.)


I have enjoyed this group first as a participant, picking the brains of people far more knowledgeable than me, and then as a contributor sharing some tidbits about the inner workings of our beloved E-Mus I had picked up.


There is a wealth of information here and it is sad to see that these discussions will most likely no longer be available to future generations (and us old timers).


When Creative started making E-Mu documents (manuals, files, etc.) unavailable (for extremely long periods of tme), a couple of us took it upon ourselves to make the resources available.  Since then, other have jumped on the bandwagon to host resources and to develop websites devoted to the gear.  I expect that those will continue to be available.


Anticipating this when Verizon took over Yahoo, I looked into ways to download the discussions, but any tools that evidently used to work had stopped working (and so far as I can see there is not enough time between now and December 14th to download each message individually).


I will miss learning from the community here.  I have learned a lot over the years trying to figure out solutions to problems people posted. (More fun than crosswords, sudoku, word searches, etc.


Maybe we will meet in other E-Mu discussion threads in other forums.


Happy Synthing!!!!!! 




Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on its sites. New content can no longer be uploaded after October 28, 2019. Learn More


Re: [xl7] The End of an Era

2019-10-16 by smw-mail@...

No facebook for me.  Its hard to tell who is more evil, facebook or verizon.  JMO.

Re: [xl7] The End of an Era

2019-10-16 by smw-mail@...

IMO there are some excellent threads related to using E-Mu gear at gearslutz. From what I have seen, muffwigglers appeals more to DIYers.  

Re: [xl7] The End of an Era

2019-10-16 by smw-mail@...

Since the FB Proteus group allows the general public to read the posts (i.e., we don't have to sign up for a FB account), I looked at posts (not replies) back through the lend of December.  It looks like there is a vibrant and knowledgeable community there.  Hope it stays open to the public.

I had thought of hosting something more than FTP docs and links to other sites at my website, but I am not sure there is a need for that. 

At one point I thought of making a final edition of my site (including an html index page to all the docs), zipping that up, and making it freely available, but from the proliferation of docs and files so readily available and newer websites, I don't think I have anything that others haven't made available. 

Time was (when Creative made the E-Mu docs and files disappear) that just a couple of us were hosting them.  There's really no longer the need to save the docs and files; they are everywhere.  I even see someone (at least one person) is selling printed copies of the manuals!!!!  Why didn't I do that? 

I am aware of https://encyclotronic.com/ among other more well-known sites. The e-mu page is here: https://encyclotronic.com/synthesizers/e-mu/ but it is so much more that a single focus group. I have the highest regard for the dedicated people (musicians!!!!) that have put together The Electronic Music Archive.

My own site ( https://www.e-univercity.com/SynthGearDocs/ ) might still have some things not at other sites; not sure. I can't keep track of what others now have.  Help yourself. I was going to try to get my kids to maintain the site after I am gone, but they are not really into synths.

I had started to make a section of links to other sites (some that open up within my set of frames and some that open to new browser pages), but its old school html--nothing sexy like more "hip" sites.

As I mentioned, I am aware of some excellent E-Mu oriented threads at Gearslutz.  The EMusonAcid > SamplersOnAcid is still around for those into hardware samplers.  Not sure if there's a newer incarnation. http://samplersonacid.com/forum/index.php . Also, Phil Tipping has done YouTube vids and other stuff related to E-Mu Samplers (and other things, too!!!).

Also, the last time I looked Frankie Fischer's sites were still working, too. (E-Mu legacy/wiki/etc.) https://francisfisher.me.uk/problem/2011/emu-legacy-archive/

There's a ton of historical content from E-Mu on The WayBackMachine (archive.org). I have a link to the E-Mu index and some links to a few pages I found interesting. 

Long Live E-Mus!!!!


Re: [xl7] The End of an Era

2019-10-16 by D F Tweedie

Steve ...

More thinking ... probably dangerous.

From what I read, the group isn't closing ... just the ability to store content is.

So why not just get a drop box account and post the content there? The group emails could simply have a direct link to the drop box account for instant downloads.

Google drive would be another option.

How much contentin Mb/Gb is there anyway?


DF


On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 1:21:56 PM PDT, smw-mail@... [xl7] wrote:


�

Since the FB Proteus group allows the general public to read the posts (i.e., we don't have to sign up for a FB account), I looked at posts (not replies) back through the lend of December.� It looks like there is a vibrant and knowledgeable community there.� Hope it stays open to the public.

I had thought of hosting something more than FTP docs and links to other sites at my website, but I am not sure there is a need for that.�

At one point I thought of making a final edition of my site (including an html index page to all the docs), zipping that up, and making it freely available, but from the proliferation of docs and files so readily available and newer websites, I don't think I have anything that others haven't made available.�

Time was (when Creative made the E-Mu docs and files disappear) that just a couple of us were hosting them.� There's really no longer the need to save the docs and files; they are everywhere.  I even see someone (at least one person) is selling printed copies of the manuals!!!!� Why didn't I do that?�

I am aware of https://encyclotronic.com/ among other more well-known sites. The e-mu page is here: https://encyclotronic.com/synthesizers/e-mu/ but it is so much more that a single focus group. I have the highest regard for the dedicated people (musicians!!!!) that have put together The Electronic Music Archive.

My own site ( https://www.e-univercity.com/SynthGearDocs/ ) might still have some things not at other sites; not sure. I can't keep track of what others now have.� Help yourself. I was going to try to get my kids to maintain the site after I am gone, but they are not really into synths.

I had started to make a section of links to other sites (some that open up within my set of frames and some that open to new browser pages), but its old school html--nothing sexy like more "hip" sites.

As I mentioned, I am aware of some excellent E-Mu oriented threads at Gearslutz.� The EMusonAcid > SamplersOnAcid is still around for those into hardware samplers.� Not sure if there's a newer incarnation. http://samplersonacid.com/forum/index.php . Also, Phil Tipping has done YouTube vids and other stuff related to E-Mu Samplers (and other things, too!!!).

Also, the last time I looked Frankie Fischer's sites were still working, too. (E-Mu legacy/wiki/etc.) https://francisfisher.me.uk/problem/2011/emu-legacy-archive/

There's a ton of historical content from E-Mu on The WayBackMachine (archive.org). I have a link to the E-Mu index and some links to a few pages I found interesting.�

Long Live E-Mus!!!!


Re: The End of an Era

2019-10-17 by smw-mail@...

They did change this since I saw it:

"Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on its sites. New content can no longer be uploaded after October 28, 2019. Sending/Receiving email functionality is not going away, you can continue to communicate via any email client with your group members."

But in another place it says that Conversations will be gone.  In another spot, it also said we could use e-maiI. I took that to mean everything that usually gets posted will no longer be posted (and after December 14th all previous posts will disappear), but if we want to e-mail people in the group, we can do that instead.

I read that the digests will be gone, too.

------------------------------------------------------------------

What features will go away?
  • Files
  • Polls
  • Links
  • Photos
  • Folders
  • Calendar
  • Database
  • Attachments
  • Conversations
  • Email Updates
  • Message Digest
  • Message History
What will happen on October 28?

On October 28, you will no longer be able to upload any content to the site. To share info with members of your groups, you'll continue to be able to do so via email.


------------------------------------------------------------------

It looks like they changed this to October 28 to match the banner. Earlier today it said October 21.

To me it is saying, there will be nothing hosted.  You can send e-mails to "the group." You will only receive e-mails.  You will get all e-mails as individual e-mails from anyone in the group who sends an e-mail. If haven't saved all e-mails or all digests since you joined, you not be able to look anything up.

So, if someone asks a question and I know there were threads that addressed the question/possible workaround/solutions/etc., it will be impossible to search the site for those posts and it will be impossible to refer the person to the thread(s) aka conversation(s).

There will be composing of "posts" in a browser.  You can use your usual e-mail client to write an e-mail and send it to everyone in the group.

At least that is what I understood earlier and upon double checking again, that's what it looks like to me.

Groups currently have owners and moderators.  It seems that they are now using the word "admins" who will have some limited access to settings and tools. It is unclear what those will be. It is unclear if the same or similar procedures will be used to approve or disapprove applicants.

------------------------------------------------------------------Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?

You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools.



Re: The End of an Era

2019-10-17 by smw-mail@...

Good suggestions.

>> So why not just get a drop box account and post the content there? The group emails could simply have a direct link to the drop box account for instant downloads.

>> Google drive would be another option.

I have also seem people use Microsoft's One Drive to share docs.

As well, there seems to be quite a number of bulletin board packages.

I reached out to Encyclotronic and there is potential to have files posted there.  I know they already have manuals there, but I have not found the time to compare what they have with what I have.  They also have a new section where people can post patches to share.  https://encyclotronic.com/patches/e-mu/

At Gearslutz, I wrote about some patches I had been working on based on some questions about some patchcord parameters.  Its a personal thing, but I feel comfortable finishing them up and sharing them on a site that cares enough about music to develop and maintain site dedicated to synths, electronic music, and the people that make music.

BTW, it is not clear from what I read at Verizon how the e-mails will be sent and received--from the group to all members of the group, not from individuals to everyone on the mailing list as individuals.  Maybe that will become clearer within the coming week or two--certainly by October 28th or shortly thereafter.


---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <bienpegaito@yahoo.com> wrote :

Steve ...

More thinking ... probably dangerous.

From what I read, the group isn't closing ... just the ability to store content is.

So why not just get a drop box account and post the content there? The group emails could simply have a direct link to the drop box account for instant downloads.

Google drive would be another option.

How much contentin Mb/Gb is there anyway?


DF


On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 1:21:56 PM PDT, smw-mail@prodigy.net [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Since the FB Proteus group allows the general public to read the posts (i.e., we don't have to sign up for a FB account), I looked at posts (not replies) back through the lend of December.  It looks like there is a vibrant and knowledgeable community there.  Hope it stays open to the public.

I had thought of hosting something more than FTP docs and links to other sites at my website, but I am not sure there is a need for that. 

At one point I thought of making a final edition of my site (including an html index page to all the docs), zipping that up, and making it freely available, but from the proliferation of docs and files so readily available and newer websites, I don't think I have anything that others haven't made available. 

Time was (when Creative made the E-Mu docs and files disappear) that just a couple of us were hosting them.  There's really no longer the need to save the docs and files; they are everywhere.  I even see someone (at least one person) is selling printed copies of the manuals!!!!  Why didn't I do that? 

I am aware of https://encyclotronic.com/ among other more well-known sites. The e-mu page is here: https://encyclotronic.com/synthesizers/e-mu/ but it is so much more that a single focus group. I have the highest regard for the dedicated people (musicians!!!!) that have put together The Electronic Music Archive.

My own site ( https://www.e-univercity.com/SynthGearDocs/ ) might still have some things not at other sites; not sure. I can't keep track of what others now have.  Help yourself. I was going to try to get my kids to maintain the site after I am gone, but they are not really into synths.

I had started to make a section of links to other sites (some that open up within my set of frames and some that open to new browser pages), but its old school html--nothing sexy like more "hip" sites.

As I mentioned, I am aware of some excellent E-Mu oriented threads at Gearslutz.  The EMusonAcid > SamplersOnAcid is still around for those into hardware samplers.  Not sure if there's a newer incarnation. http://samplersonacid.com/forum/index.php . Also, Phil Tipping has done YouTube vids and other stuff related to E-Mu Samplers (and other things, too!!!).

Also, the last time I looked Frankie Fischer's sites were still working, too. (E-Mu legacy/wiki/etc.) https://francisfisher.me.uk/problem/2011/emu-legacy-archive/

There's a ton of historical content from E-Mu on The WayBackMachine (archive.org). I have a link to the E-Mu index and some links to a few pages I found interesting. 

Long Live E-Mus!!!!


Re: [xl7] The End of an Era

2019-10-18 by smw-mail@...

Re: The FB Command Station Group. 

Now that MZ has come out in favor of freedom of speech, perhaps he will be opening up all private FB groups so they will visible to non-FB account holders? 

But seriously, any chance you could get the owner of the command station group to make the posts visible to everyone on the internet?

For the record, I am a fan of free speech, having taken several courses decades ago.  That is one of the reasons I didn't ban people here who got a bit aggressive in voicing opinions.  To be sure, on a few occasions I privately suggested to a couple of people that they might want to post their opinions in less combative ways-- which in fact worked (a more positive approach than banning).

On the other hand, we did delete a whole bunch of porn site spam posts and deleted the accounts of offenders. 

When it comes to free speech, ya gotta drawn the line somewhere!!!!!  For me systematic abuse of a platform to bludgeon people with self-serving spam was where I drew the line.

Oh, BTW, I have not had any luck/success using the download button with photos.  I have been successful downloading some files (right click / save). Most of them are out dated and not really worth preserving, but for now they are there if anyone wants.

Thanks.