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Command Stations vs P2500 ?

Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-05 by Ray Bellis

According to these two pages:

<http://www.vintagesynth.com/emu/p2500.php>
<http://www.vintagesynth.com/emu/xl7.php>

the P2500 apparently has higher resolution DACs and faster MIDI 
processing than a P2000 but the XL-7 page makes no mention of this.

My understanding though is that the XL-7 (and other command stations) 
use the same main board as the P2500.

I was minded to try to get hold of a Command Station (since you guys 
want to do sequence backups and stuff which I think I could add to my 
emu.tools site) but then a friend pointed out the above and said he'd 
pick the P2500 because of its supposed advantages.

Does anyone here know the truth of it?

cheers,

Ray

Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-06 by smw-mail@...

Hmmm.  I replied, but it did not get posted.  Oh well. (1) I thought the CS/P2500 were based on the same chips which differ from the 1ru e-mus. (2) I have cleared off the top of my P2500; let me know if you pix of any chips. (3) I like my P2500 and would not dissuade you from getting one if you want, but from what I have seen you have enough knowledge and skills to write the code and have it work: get names, standard song/pattern midi requests, IIRC.  Still, it is a fun machine, so if you find one at a good price, you might very well want to pick one up.

The 4 x 4 circuit boards in the CS and P2500 are different in part because the P2500 doesn't have some buttons that the CS has.

There are good photos of a chopped P2500 on line; not sure if you can read the chips from that, though.

Steve

Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-06 by smw-mail@...

> The P2500 apparently has higher resolution DACs and faster MIDI
> processing than a P2000 but the XL-7 page makes no mention of this.

I believe the PR for both were different--based on your links and other PR which can be found at the Way Back Machine.  The XL-7 PR emphasizes the Audity -> XL-1 heritage.  The P2500 calls attention to improvements over the P2000.  I do remember some discussion of the chips. I thought the bottom line was that the speed/chip advantages & features of the P2500 and the CS were the same.




Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-06 by rogers t

Not really an answer to your question, but a little more info.  

From what I've seen, there were revisions through the run of some of the product lines.  I've had a P2000 that had a different power supply that was actually shielded, and IIRC there were differences on the main board as well.  You'll also find differences within the XX7 lines, where there are board revisions as well.  I think a late model XX7 is likely to be pretty similar to a P2500, but I don't have a 2500 anymore to compare. 

Tom

Re: [xl7] Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-07 by D F Tweedie

That advantage must depend upon what 'easily' means. :)

I had mine well racked in an onstage, slant-top mixer rack. Rack ears were available, if pricey.

DF

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 5:19:35 PM PST, smw-mail@prodigy.net [xl7] wrote:


> a friend pointed out the above and said he'd pick the P2500 because of its supposed advantages.

From what I can tell, there are reasons not to make conclusions based on what websites post, esp. when based on PR. The same goes for online secondhand sellers like ebay.� JMO.

To me the chief advantage of the P2500 over the desktop command stations is that it is easily rack mountable.  On the other hand, the Command Stations have a few more controllers (key pad things, etc.), are more colorful than the P2500's basic grey, and are handy as all-in-one desktop boxes.

Steve

Re: [xl7] Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-08 by Ray Bellis

Thanks all for the info, and to Steve for the photos.

I think I'm going to conclude that the CS and P2500 units *are* the 
same, and that since I have quite enough rack mounted gear already I'm 
going to hold out for a reasonably priced CS to appear on the market.

I quite like the idea of having a standalone unit with pads that I can 
mess with on its own.

cheers,

Ray

RACK EARS Re: [xl7] Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-09 by D F Tweedie

I forgot whether I got them on ebay ... but I think so. You can always do a search on ebay and even if what you are searching for is not available, you get an email as soon as it is available to you can watch, bid or buy it.

This past week I got notified that an item I'd been searching for over a year and had never shown up,� Z-SYS Digital Detangler, had shown up for auction. This is a neat piece of gear no longer manufactured that is like a patch bay between 4 SPDIF i/o and 8 Toslink i/o. Great for routing between modules with SPDIF and gear like my Kurzweil Rumor and Mangler ... or into a DAW.

There was a little bidding activity, but I waited till 7 seconds left of the auction to place my bid and threw my max 'what it's worth to me' bid in ... and won getting it $80 under my max price.

But I digress ...

Here's a link to instructions how to make your own rack ears for a command station.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjYztrtw_XgAhXIqp4KHcrmAAMQFjABegQIBBAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F271848940511%3Fnav%3DSEARCH&usg=AOvVaw1BEPFE_-zo1rhmlHCa94rZ

I think you could actually get it manufactured fairly easy at a machine shop from a piece of 2 or 3 inch angle iron cut to length and drilled to spec.



On Saturday, March 9, 2019, 3:56:37 AM PST, Dietmar Koering koering@archi-techno.de [xl7] wrote:


Actually there had been rackears on the market for the CS - I am still looking for those!!!
If they are up for sale please mail me.

Re: RACK EARS Re: [xl7] Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-10 by smw-mail@...

>  . . . a neat piece of gear no longer manufactured that is like a patch bay between 4 SPDIF i/o and 8 Toslink i/o.

Thanks for the lead; in recent years (trying to go digital audio) I have wondered if anyone made such a device--but could never find anything based on the key words I was using.

And congrats on your excellent e-baying experience with that!! It sounds like an excellent find.

Steve


Re: RACK EARS Re: [xl7] Re: Command Stations vs P2500 ?

2019-03-10 by D F Tweedie

Steve ...

There are several iterations of the Z-SYS Digital Detanglers with various configurations of AES, S/PDIF and Toslink/ ADAT i/o to patch with.

The specific one I'd been looking for is the Z-SYS Z-8.8A Lightpipe Digital Detangler.

Happy hunting!

DF



On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 6:49:09 AM PDT, smw-mail@... [xl7] wrote:


>� . . . a neat piece of gear no longer manufactured that is like a patch bay between 4 SPDIF i/o and 8 Toslink i/o.

Thanks for the lead; in recent years (trying to go digital audio) I have wondered if anyone made such a device--but could never find anything based on the key words I was using.

And congrats on your excellent e-baying experience with that!! It sounds like an excellent find.

Steve