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Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

2015-09-12 by mindkil@...

Sorry if it is a dumb question, but I'm beginner with XL-7.

Is it possible to send out MIDI information for Arpeggiator patterns, to control external synths' sounds with the XL-7 arpeggiator through the MIDI Out? When I play the pads, or play notes on the external keyboard, the Arp works, but when I Record this in XL-7 sequencer it doesn't - it just plays the one note recorder to MIDI Out. Any idea what I'm doing could wrong?

Thanks


Re: [xl7] Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

2015-09-12 by Bruno

Arpeggiator/Beats menu, option "Arp/Riff MIDI Out" (page 255 in XL-7 manual, revision G).

2015-09-12 17:23 GMT+02:00 mindkil@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


Sorry if it is a dumb question, but I'm beginner with XL-7.

Is it possible to send out MIDI information for Arpeggiator patterns, to control external synths' sounds with the XL-7 arpeggiator through the MIDI Out? When I play the pads, or play notes on the external keyboard, the Arp works, but when I Record this in XL-7 sequencer it doesn't - it just plays the one note recorder to MIDI Out. Any idea what I'm doing could wrong?

Thanks





Re: Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

2015-09-13 by mindkil@...

Thanks, my manual was missing this section (REvision F), but I downloaded now the Rev. G which has this info.
As I see the procedure is to use an internal arp preset as a dummy, and send the output to External. I sat it up like this, and while playing through the pads, the arp is sent out to MIDI, but as I record it to XLÉ-7 Sequencer, it stops sending out Arp through MIDI.
I think I did everything as instructed:  Arp/Riff MIDI Out to Transmit Both, I have the arp track that goes to MIDI Out on ext., made an arp: sound with no sample playing from it. I have “Rechannelize Input” Off.

Any idea, what can be wrong? Or is it just a way how XL-7 works - sending Arpeggiator through MIDI Out, only if it is played via the pads, and not from the sequencer?

Re: [xl7] Re: Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

2015-09-13 by Bruno

I think - with all due respect - that Steve's advice was a bit too early. What I would do, if I were to "debug" this issue, would be to use a normal preset, and set the output to "Both". Moreover, I would modify the "normal" preset to be one/two octaves up/down, to make it more distinctive from the external one.

I've never done it, though I always thought of it (XL-7 arpeggiating external gear). Might be worth gathering our finidings, once we have a 100% reproducible way of doing it.


2015-09-13 18:02 GMT+02:00 mindkil@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


Thanks, my manual was missing this section (REvision F), but I downloaded now the Rev. G which has this info.
As I see the procedure is to use an internal arp preset as a dummy, and send the output to External. I sat it up like this, and while playing through the pads, the arp is sent out to MIDI, but as I record it to XLÉ-7 Sequencer, it stops sending out Arp through MIDI.
I think I did everything as instructed:  Arp/Riff MIDI Out to Transmit Both, I have the arp track that goes to MIDI Out on ext., made an arp: sound with no sample playing from it. I have “Rechannelize Input” Off.

Any idea, what can be wrong? Or is it just a way how XL-7 works - sending Arpeggiator through MIDI Out, only if it is played via the pads, and not from the sequencer?



Re: [xl7] Re: Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

2015-09-13 by Bruno

Just got enlightened - isn't the arpeggiator part of the preset? Thus, if output is set to External, arpeggiator won9;t be triggered. The manual says:

"If you don’t want the internal XL-7 preset to sound, create a “dummy” preset with no instruments selected and the arpeggiator turned on."

It's a bit counter-intuitive though (if not disappointing), that "Transmit Arp/Riff MIDI Out" is global, and track-level settings of output have nothing to do with it. That way if one decides to use a pattern with three arpeggiated tracks to control an external sound module, even though configuring MIDI channels will prevent the receiving device from playing too much, it won't stop XL-7 from sending surplus MIDI messages.

Bruno


2015-09-13 18:52 GMT+02:00 Bruno <brunorc@...>:
I think - with all due respect - that Steve's advice was a bit too early. What I would do, if I were to "debug" this issue, would be to use a normal preset, and set the output to "Both". Moreover, I would modify the "normal" preset to be one/two octaves up/down, to make it more distinctive from the external one.

I've never done it, though I always thought of it (XL-7 arpeggiating external gear). Might be worth gathering our finidings, once we have a 100% reproducible way of doing it.


2015-09-13 18:02 GMT+02:00 mindkil@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


Thanks, my manual was missing this section (REvision F), but I downloaded now the Rev. G which has this info.
As I see the procedure is to use an internal arp preset as a dummy, and send the output to External. I sat it up like this, and while playing through the pads, the arp is sent out to MIDI, but as I record it to XLÉ-7 Sequencer, it stops sending out Arp through MIDI.
I think I did everything as instructed:  Arp/Riff MIDI Out to Transmit Both, I have the arp track that goes to MIDI Out on ext., made an arp: sound with no sample playing from it. I have “Rechannelize Input” Off.

Any idea, what can be wrong? Or is it just a way how XL-7 works - sending Arpeggiator through MIDI Out, only if it is played via the pads, and not from the sequencer?




Re: Arpeggiator pattern thorugh MIDI Out

2015-09-15 by smw-mail@...

Yeah, doubling voices with internal and external sounds (arps and non-arps) is useful. I have done that, too.  On a related note,it is also possible to use your e-mu as a stand-alone arpegiator to control softsynths and/or exyernal gear. I know I mentioned this before, but it's handy if someone has a 1 ru p2k box without any roms, say if the rom was put into a Command Station. Just a thought as long as we're talking aboutvexternal uses for arps.
Steve