Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

OK, 
So I have read all your replies and I am even more confused :-)
What exactly is BTS for??  Is it for demo purposes?
There doesn't really seem to be any correlation between patterns and 
BTS.  BTS will continue playing even after the pattern is stopped.  
Triggers do not bring BTS parts in on the beat (e.g not in sync with 
the pattern), unless you hit Audition to bring the BTS in.  Also you 
cannot record the BTS parts in pattern or song mode.  
Are all these assumptions correct?  Also how do you make your own BTS 
presets (as some of you seem to be doing.)  
The BTS riffs do sound very cool (I spent over an hour jamming with 
Rocket ... I think that's what it is called), but either I am not 
using them correctly or they are not very well integrated into the XL 
interface.
Does the XL1 Xtreme Lead behave the same?  Maybe the XL-1 manual will 
shed some light ... I'm off to find it now.
Thanks,
Justin.

Justin,

Page 44 in the XL-1 manual sums it up.

M2


--- In xl7@y..., "grimleyj2000" <grimley@i...> wrote:
> OK, 
> So I have read all your replies and I am even more confused :-)
> What exactly is BTS for??  Is it for demo purposes?
> There doesn't really seem to be any correlation between patterns 
and 
> BTS.  BTS will continue playing even after the pattern is stopped.  
> Triggers do not bring BTS parts in on the beat (e.g not in sync 
with 
> the pattern), unless you hit Audition to bring the BTS in.  Also 
you 
> cannot record the BTS parts in pattern or song mode.  
> Are all these assumptions correct?  Also how do you make your own 
BTS 
> presets (as some of you seem to be doing.)  
> The BTS riffs do sound very cool (I spent over an hour jamming with 
> Rocket ... I think that's what it is called), but either I am not 
> using them correctly or they are not very well integrated into the 
XL 
> interface.
> Does the XL1 Xtreme Lead behave the same?  Maybe the XL-1 manual 
will 

> shed some light ... I'm off to find it now.
> Thanks,
> Justin.

> --- In xl7@y..., "grimleyj2000" <grimley@i...> wrote:
> > OK, 
> > So I have read all your replies and I am even more confused :-)
> > What exactly is BTS for??  

Fun! 


Is it for demo purposes?
> > There doesn't really seem to be any correlation between patterns 
> and 
> > BTS.  BTS will continue playing even after the pattern is stopped.


Yes and no.  (NO first)If your trigger buttons are unlatched, the BTS 
sequencer will stop running as soon as you lift the note on key(s).  
If the triggers are latched then 1 press turns the part on (note ON)
and the next press turns the part off(note OFF).  There are 16 parts 
that can be triggered individually.




  
> > Triggers do not bring BTS parts in on the beat (e.g not in sync 
> with 
> > the pattern), unless you hit Audition to bring the BTS in.



You have to have the parameter "use current tempo" enabled or else it 
will use the BTS riff tempo which will not sync with your stuff 
unless it happens to be the same bpm.




  Also 
> you 
> > cannot record the BTS parts in pattern or song mode.




You can if you apply the proper note ON/OFF messages for parts needed 
throughout your song and the "use current tempo" is set correctly.



  
> > Are all these assumptions correct?  Also how do you make your own 
> BTS 
> > presets (as some of you seem to be doing.)  
> > The BTS riffs do sound very cool (I spent over an hour jamming 
with 
> > Rocket ... I think that's what it is called), but either I am not 
> > using them correctly or they are not very well integrated into 
the 

> XL 
> > interface.
> > Does the XL1 Xtreme Lead behave the same?  Maybe the XL-1 manual 
> will 
> > shed some light ... I'm off to find it now.
> > Thanks,
> > Justin.

What exactly is BTS for?? 

>>>I assume it's short for "Beats mode". <<<

Is it for demo purposes?

>>>No, although it could be used that way I suppose. <<<

There doesn't really seem to be any correlation between patterns and 
BTS.  BTS will continue playing even after the pattern is stopped. 

>>>When using BTS. It's best to thing of your XL-7 as having two 
sequencers, the main one and the BTS one.  They can run independantly of 
each other, or synced up, it's up to you how to use them. <<<
 
Triggers do not bring BTS parts in on the beat (e.g not in sync with the 
pattern), unless you hit Audition to bring the BTS in. 

>>>The box can't do EVERYTHING for you!  A sense of timing is good to have 
when doing electronic music, no? <<<

Also you cannot record the BTS parts in pattern or song mode. 

>>>Yes you can, set the BTS part to unlatched and record the Trigger press 
while you sequencer is set tot eh right MIDI channel. <<<

Also how do you make your own BTS presets (as some of you seem to be 
doing.)

>>>It's easy, just pick a Preset (any will work), then press Preset Edit, 
and scroll to the audition/riff page.  From here, move the cursor to the 
lower line an select any Uadition riff with "BTS" before it, and save the 
Preset.  Bam, you're done! <<<
 
The BTS riffs do sound very cool, but either I am not using them correctly 
or they are not very well integrated into the XL interface.

>>>Probably both, no offense.  BTS are cool to a point, personally I think 
it would rock to be able to make your own, but anyway...  Just keep 
thinking of BTS as Audition Riffs that have 16 parts and you're halfway to 
understanding the feature.  As for integration, I think that the box does 
the best it can do, but yeah it could be slightly more streamlined to make 
it easier.  They basically threw it in after the fact to address people 
wanting RPS features in the XL-7.  I told Aaron they were going to get A 
LOT of questions on this feature when they released the new OS :) <<<

Maybe the XL-1 manual will shed some light ... I'm off to find it now.

>>>Try the Orbit 3 one too, although I think you'll find they're almost 
identical manuals for that section. <<<

rEalm

>>>Yes you can, set the BTS part to unlatched and record the Trigger 
press while you sequencer is set tot eh right MIDI channel. <<< 

Realm,
Thanks for the lengthy reply ... appreciated.  I am not having much 
luck though with recording the triggers.  I have a BTS preset on 
channel 2A - bts:Trancer.  I have the Trancer bts riff assigned to 
it from the Preset edit menu.  I then go into the ARP / Beat keys 
Layout menu and change all the parts 1-16 to unlatched.  I still 
cannot record the triggers on channel 2.  I can hear the BTS when 
recording but when I play back the pattern ... nada.  I also tried 
changing the BtsCh and TrigCh.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Justin.

Are you using the pads or the trigger buttons?  I think you'd need to use 
the pads, sorry I should have added that in my last reply.  The diagram 
for the correct keys is in the new Addendum BTW.

rEalm





"grimleyj2000" <grimley@...>
04/09/02 11:06 PM
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>>>Yes you can, set the BTS part to unlatched and record the Trigger 
press while you sequencer is set tot eh right MIDI channel. <<< 

Realm,
Thanks for the lengthy reply ... appreciated.  I am not having much 
luck though with recording the triggers.  I have a BTS preset on 
channel 2A - bts:Trancer.  I have the Trancer bts riff assigned to 
it from the Preset edit menu.  I then go into the ARP / Beat keys 
Layout menu and change all the parts 1-16 to unlatched.  I still 
cannot record the triggers on channel 2.  I can hear the BTS when 
recording but when I play back the pattern ... nada.  I also tried 
changing the BtsCh and TrigCh.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Justin. 



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Grimley,

Refer to the above file and try using your *keypads on your unit 
instead of the trigger buttons.  Play around with the transpose 
button until the first pad(C)gives you the kick drum on Trancer. 
(C#1) will give you snare and (D)will give you hi-hat and so on.

Now with the BTS parts set to either latch or unlatched, try 
recording the parts.  If you have the parts needed unlatched, you 
will have to hold the pad down until you want it to stop(note on/off 
command), if you have it set to latched, you can press the pad once
(note on) and come back to it when you want it to stop by hitting the 
pad again(note off).  Each part has it's own velocity setting as 
well. 

Try it out.

Later,

M2



--- In xl7@y..., "grimleyj2000" <grimley@i...> wrote:
> >>>Yes you can, set the BTS part to unlatched and record the 
Trigger 

> press while you sequencer is set tot eh right MIDI channel. <<< 
> 
> Realm,
> Thanks for the lengthy reply ... appreciated.  I am not having much 
> luck though with recording the triggers.  I have a BTS preset on 
> channel 2A - bts:Trancer.  I have the Trancer bts riff assigned to 
> it from the Preset edit menu.  I then go into the ARP / Beat keys 
> Layout menu and change all the parts 1-16 to unlatched.  I still 
> cannot record the triggers on channel 2.  I can hear the BTS when 
> recording but when I play back the pattern ... nada.  I also tried 
> changing the BtsCh and TrigCh.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Justin.

If that doesn't work for you, refer to page 5 on the OS 1.31 addendum 
page 5(top).  It says to set the trigger button feature to "play 
beats parts"

Later........




--- In xl7@y..., "emufreak1" <mmcquay@m...> wrote:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/beatkey.jpg
> 
> Grimley,
> 
> Refer to the above file and try using your *keypads on your unit 
> instead of the trigger buttons.  Play around with the transpose 
> button until the first pad(C)gives you the kick drum on Trancer. 
> (C#1) will give you snare and (D)will give you hi-hat and so on.
> 
> Now with the BTS parts set to either latch or unlatched, try 
> recording the parts.  If you have the parts needed unlatched, you 
> will have to hold the pad down until you want it to stop(note 
on/off 
> command), if you have it set to latched, you can press the pad once
> (note on) and come back to it when you want it to stop by hitting 
the 
> pad again(note off).  Each part has it's own velocity setting as 
> well. 
> 
> Try it out.
> 
> Later,
> 
> M2
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "grimleyj2000" <grimley@i...> wrote:
> > >>>Yes you can, set the BTS part to unlatched and record the 
> Trigger 
> > press while you sequencer is set tot eh right MIDI channel. <<< 
> > 
> > Realm,
> > Thanks for the lengthy reply ... appreciated.  I am not having 
much 
> > luck though with recording the triggers.  I have a BTS preset on 
> > channel 2A - bts:Trancer.  I have the Trancer bts riff assigned 
to 
> > it from the Preset edit menu.  I then go into the ARP / Beat keys 
> > Layout menu and change all the parts 1-16 to unlatched.  I still 
> > cannot record the triggers on channel 2.  I can hear the BTS when 
> > recording but when I play back the pattern ... nada.  I also 
tried 

> > changing the BtsCh and TrigCh.
> > Any suggestions?
> > Thanks,
> > Justin.

> Refer to the above file and try using your *keypads on your unit 
> instead of the trigger buttons.  Play around with the transpose 
> button until the first pad(C)gives you the kick drum on Trancer. 
> (C#1) will give you snare and (D)will give you hi-hat and so on.

In my case, I have a Proteus 2500 with no keypad, so I connect a midi 
keyboard on it and use the beats keymaps to start/stop. Was able to 
record my BTS patterns to the internal sequencer with no problem that 
way, was not able to record BTS via triggers from command functions 
while recording.... You can also use a sequencer like Sonar or Pro 
Tools to trigger the BTS patch and record either in the software 
sequencer or the built in sequencer. Works like a charm... But I 
still have not figured out how to bring in the different 
group/variations, still learning.... -Steve

M2,
Thanks for the reply.  I have setup the BTS mode as you said.  I 
have the first part of the Trancer BTS (kick) triggered on the first 
pad (C)at the lowest transpose setting, snare on c# etc.  Now when I 
try to record I can hear the BTS play, but when I hit stop then 
playback the pattern, all I hear is a Kick no matter which pad I had 
recorded.
-grimley


--- In xl7@y..., "emufreak1" <mmcquay@m...> wrote:
> If that doesn't work for you, refer to page 5 on the OS 1.31 
addendum 
> page 5(top).  It says to set the trigger button feature to "play 
> beats parts"
> 
> Later........
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "emufreak1" <mmcquay@m...> wrote:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/beatkey.jpg
> > 
> > Grimley,
> > 
> > Refer to the above file and try using your *keypads on your unit 
> > instead of the trigger buttons.  Play around with the transpose 
> > button until the first pad(C)gives you the kick drum on Trancer. 
> > (C#1) will give you snare and (D)will give you hi-hat and so on.
> > 
> > Now with the BTS parts set to either latch or unlatched, try 
> > recording the parts.  If you have the parts needed unlatched, 
you 
> > will have to hold the pad down until you want it to stop(note 
> on/off 
> > command), if you have it set to latched, you can press the pad 
once
> > (note on) and come back to it when you want it to stop by 
hitting 
> the 
> > pad again(note off).  Each part has it's own velocity setting as 
> > well. 
> > 
> > Try it out.
> > 
> > Later,
> > 
> > M2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., "grimleyj2000" <grimley@i...> wrote:
> > > >>>Yes you can, set the BTS part to unlatched and record the 
> > Trigger 
> > > press while you sequencer is set tot eh right MIDI channel. 
<<< 
> > > 
> > > Realm,
> > > Thanks for the lengthy reply ... appreciated.  I am not having 
> much 
> > > luck though with recording the triggers.  I have a BTS preset 
on 
> > > channel 2A - bts:Trancer.  I have the Trancer bts riff 
assigned 
> to 
> > > it from the Preset edit menu.  I then go into the ARP / Beat 
keys 
> > > Layout menu and change all the parts 1-16 to unlatched.  I 
still 
> > > cannot record the triggers on channel 2.  I can hear the BTS 
when 

> > > recording but when I play back the pattern ... nada.  I also 
> tried 
> > > changing the BtsCh and TrigCh.
> > > Any suggestions?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin.