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Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-04 by Bruno

I'm in for at least two B-type devices, but most likely three + programming device.

Thanks Jack, you put a new life in our gear!

2015-05-03 7:35 GMT+02:00 Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:

I have sent the FLASH SIMM PCB files off to the manufacturer for a quote. Seems like it will be expensive to make because of the 6-layer board. But we will see.

Based on the approximation I have received so far I can envisage the following options for purchase of a multi-slot FLASH SIMM.

a. One flash chip device
cost: $US150 (approx)
availability: soonish (weeks I hope)
functionality: emulates up to 4 ROM slots simulataneously (so the P2k/command station thinks there are four ROM sIMMs there when there is only the single FLASH SIMM installed). I can preprogram it with whatever ROMs you want based on the limitations. Some jumpers will allow you to specify which slots are active so that you can put your own ROMs in that/those slots if you want.
limitations: only has 128MB of storage so it can only emulate three 32MB SIMMs and one 16MB SIMM to allow for the 4MB preset memory for each "ROM". It will require a special board to reprogram it which you will need to purchase separately for about $US50 [probably less].

b. Two flash chip device
cost: $US170 (approx)
availability: soonish (weeks I hope)
functionality: emulates up to 4 ROM slots simulataneously (so the P2k/command station thinks there are four ROM sIMMs there when there is only the single FLASH SIMM installed). I can preprogram it with whatever ROMs you want. But there is enough room in the device for 7 32MB images even though only 4 of them can be used at once (need to reset the system to make a change) Some jumpers will allow you to specify which slots are active so that you can put your own ROMs in that/those slots if you want, and which images are in each slot at the time.
limitations: it has 256MB of storage but it can only emulate four 32MB SIMMs at once from the 7 images in the memory allowing for the 4MB preset memory for each "ROM". It will require a special board to reprogram it which you will need to purchase separately for about $US50 [probably less].

c. CPU based device
cost: $US200 (approx)
availability: later (months, quite a few months)
functionality: the same as the two flash chip device but you can program it in system via USB (although you will still need to reset the P2K to make the changes happen). Will be delayed because I will need to write the software to do this and that will take some effort.

d. live sound device
cost: $US240 (approx)
availability: much later (year or more maybe)
functionality: the same as the cpu based device but you can have live sound from a computer played through the P2K filters via USB (live = played real time on the computer). Will be delayed because I will need to write the software to do this and that will take some effort.

I might consider exchanging for gear but it would have to be something I want/don't have (and we would have to negotiate the deal). One thing I don't have is the ROM SIMM from a proteus 2500 - I have one of each of all of the other ROM SIMMs. I also only have the original (default) ROM from an Audity 2000 - this board should also work in the audity but I would like to get hold of the other ROMs that work in it and the Ultra Sampler. If I get bad experiences doing this then it will be $$$ only.

When I have deciphered the contents of the ROMS (sound waveforms and presets - which I am hoping looks very much .E4B images for emulator 4/ultra series samplers) I will write some library software which allows the user to insert their own waveforms onto a FLASH. This will be available FOC but you will need to follow a similar process to the existing original FLASH SIMMs to get your own presets on them. That is you will need to write the sound waveforms to the FLASH SIMM with dummy presets, then play around with them to create user presets that you like, then download them (via sysex) and then write the new presets to the SIMM - then they will be permanently available on the FLASH SIMM. If the ROM format is the same as a emulator image then it will be a trivial exercise to import all of the ultra libraries into a P2K useable format. I have over 7GB of E4B files, and then there are programs which can convert other formats into E4B format so there may be a never ending supply of new resources for P2K series devices. And importing your own sounds will be as simple as converting them to .E4B format.

One of the things I want to do is put a 128MB piano on four 32MB images so that there are at least 3 layers of samples for each note (pp, mf & ff)and each note individually sampled. There may not be many presets but it can't be much worse than the holy grail piano ROM.

People still interested?

BTW : technically I am only going to be giving you a FLASH SIMM with images that you already own (ie have the original SIMM for) so that I am not in breach of copyright law. I have no way to check whether you do indeed have the original SIMM so it will be up to your conscience to dictate whether or not you can purchase a SIMM with preprogrammed images on it. I am happy to sell unprogrammed SIMMs as well but they will only be useful if you purchase a programming board as well.

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-04 by Jack Pratt

OK, I need to clarify some things.

1. in the past I started down this path and discovered after I had made some PCBs that would do a similar job that I used the wrong footprint for the CPU so I abandoned it after considerable expense. I have done better this time.

2. The options I have described are the ones I can make with the same PCB and are in the order that are easiest to make (ie require the least amount of work first). The earlier options do not have the CPU soldered on so there really is no upgrade path without replacing the hardware (PCB). If I run out of time c & d may be a long way down the track.

3. The difference between a and b is that an additional FLASH chip is soldered on the board, and a slightly different CPLD program. I could make the CPLD program identical so that someone could solder their own FLASH chip on to "upgrade" an 'a' to a 'b' But it costs me about $20 to get the chip and do that so I don't see how it would be much cheaper for anyone else.

4. The options for a and b were because someone told me that $US200 was too much for something like this and therefore I have provided cheaper options so that those who wanted the functionality (limited as it is) without the expense could opt in somehow.

5. When you have a CPU based board, the mechanism for changing the banks visible to the P2K will be by playing a note using a special (dummy) preset rather than through jumpers. You will still need to reset the system for the change to have an effect but there is no need to open the box or have a hole in the side.

6. On a non-turbo device (ie P1K and other 64 voice systems) I think you only get two SIMMs emulated but I will have to see what happens if you put the P2K operating system in a non-turbo module to be entirely sure. It will depend on the programming of the xilinx logic device on the motherboard I think and if they are the same between P2K and P1K then it may just work. Same may be true for an ultra and an audity.

7. These will work in an ultra sampler as a ROM but will not be programmable (ie EOS won't understand how to program the different FLASH devices)

8. A copy of a ROM SIMM is an exact copy with all the other stuff in the preset memory (arps etc)

9. Creating your own SIMM images from samples requires deciphering the existing contents of the ROM SIMMs. I have a strong feeling that they will be EOS images (.E4B files) because when you put a SIMM into an ultra sampler you see it as a disk drive and when you copy it it is a .E4B file. As soon as I figure that out (or anybody else does) everyone can make their own SIMM images.

10. reprogramming will be very slow. (around 2hrs for the entire image memory of the 2 FLASH option) I will work on speeding this up. changing the contents of a single preset memory will be considerably faster. Of course you will need to reset the device to access the new programming (because the P2K OS loads the preset memory into DRAM at boot only)

11. All of the address, data and control signals are available on the CPLD. Therefore someone could reprogram the FLASH devices through toggling the appropriate signals via JTAG. This would not be especially difficult to do but would be very time consuming. I would not like to hazard a guess at how long it would take to program 256MB of memory this way. I will need to check the CPLD data book about how long the boundary scan chain is but it would be about 150 bits (double this if direction bits are included). So that would make it around 10k writes/second at a 15MHz JTAG speed. Probably get less than half this and your JTAG clock will probably be 8MHz or less so think 8hrs to do this?

Will let you know when I have some more information �

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-05 by me

Yes I would want blank simms and the programming device.

Might get the small preprogrammed simm to tide me over, because it will take me a long time to get my samples together.

Payment via?

Thanks for your efforts, I've sort of left my CS in the background for the last year or so, due to other gear, and this, i hope will kick me back into it.

Cheers

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by janoch23@...

112 MB (option 1) still sounds pretty good, many of the ROMs were 16 MB. 112MB is a HUGE amount of samples when they are so well edited as the E-Mu sets tend to be.

In my opinion, 8 hours for programming a full set via JTAG is perfectly acceptable. In practice, most people will only want to check out the samples in the different ROMs before settling on the 4 ROMs they want to keep in the machine, or 4 user-hacked ROMs combining the best of the rest. This checking out could conceivably be done via the Proteus VX software. Then you'd leave it over night to write the samples.

Because if you are constantly switching ROM sets, you'd have a hard time keeping track of which presets and sequences use what ROM, etc. Adding a bank of custom samples to address some shortcomings of the CS architecture and of the ROM sample sets, that would make the Command Stations almost like the perfect instrument. But the Command Stations and their UI was not made to be used like a sampler and switching out the samples for every track, so not having the option of quickly switching ROM sets doesn't sound like too much of a drawback, imho. Though it would be nice, and for people with rack mount Proteus 2000's it might be more useful.

Now, I'd really like to see option 4 and custom software running on the ARM, with realtime sample streaming and transformation, and listening to the data lines to do all sorts of clever stuff, extending the functionality of the Proteus architecture. I'd also like to see the operating system reverse engineered, the CS mainboard FPGA reprogrammed, etc etc :-) But software development always takes much much longer than you think, hardware + software is even worse, and reverse engineering takes forever!

The fact that options 1 or 2 look like they could actually become a reality within the foreseeable future is very exciting! Fantastic job, Jack Pratt!

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by Jason Budris

I’m interested. I’ll be back reading the post to get all the details but anything that would allow creating your own roms with various other roms or custom samples. The idea of various custom O.S.’s would also be awesome. Thanks for your hard work on this.�

On May 5, 2015, at 6:54 PM, janoch23@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

112 MB (option 1) still sounds pretty good, many of the ROMs were 16 MB. 112MB is a HUGE amount of samples when they are so well edited as the E-Mu sets tend to be.

In my opinion, 8 hours for programming a full set via JTAG is perfectly acceptable. In practice, most people will only want to check out the samples in the different ROMs before settling on the 4 ROMs they want to keep in the machine, or 4 user-hacked ROMs combining the best of the rest. This checking out could conceivably be done via the Proteus VX software. Then you'd leave it over night to write the samples.

Because if you are constantly switching ROM sets, you'd have a hard time keeping track of which presets and sequences use what ROM, etc. Adding a bank of custom samples to address some shortcomings of the CS architecture and of the ROM sample sets, that would make the Command Stations almost like the perfect instrument. But the Command Stations and their UI was not made to be used like a sampler and switching out the samples for every track, so not having the option of quickly switching ROM sets doesn't sound like too much of a drawback, imho. Though it would be nice, and for people with rack mount Proteus 2000's it might be more useful.

Now, I'd really like to see option 4 and custom software running on the ARM, with realtime sample streaming and transformation, and listening to the data lines to do all sorts of clever stuff, extending the functionality of the Proteus architecture. I'd also like to see the operating system reverse engineered, the CS mainboard FPGA reprogrammed, etc etc :-) But software development always takes much much longer than you think, hardware + software is even worse, and reverse engineering takes forever!

The fact that options 1 or 2 look like they could actually become a reality within the foreseeable future is very exciting! Fantastic job, Jack Pratt!

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by janoch23@...

I have nothing to do with this, it is all Jack Pratt's work! I'm just cheering him on!

The operating system has not been reverse engineered! That would be a massive undertaking! I only mentioned the idea as a contrast to the actual very productive work being done by Jack Pratt; another unrealistic wish in the same vein as most of the other features dreamed up by us backseat drivers who don't do any of the actual work.

On the contrary, his replacement flash ROMs, especially the simpler options 1 or 2, look like they could happen pretty soon!

My point was that all things considered, perhaps the more expensive (especially in terms of hours of unpaid work) options 3 & 4 don't necessarily offer the huge advantages over 1 & 2 that would make them worthwhile, especially in the short term and considering that the even harder work would still remain - writing the software and trying to make it work on all the wacky platforms people use. I cringe just thinking about the constant flood of support emails... Poor guy!

With that said, especially option 4 could make for a very interesting add-on board for all kinds of vintage digital systems. But that would be a completely different product even if the hardware stayed the same.

---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <jsunbud@...> wrote :

I’m interested. I’ll be back reading the post to get all the details but anything that would allow creating your own roms with various other roms or custom samples. The idea of various custom O.S.’s would also be awesome. Thanks for your hard work on this.

On May 5, 2015, at 6:54 PM, janoch23@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

112 MB (option 1) still sounds pretty good, many of the ROMs were 16 MB. 112MB is a HUGE amount of samples when they are so well edited as the E-Mu sets tend to be.

In my opinion, 8 hours for programming a full set via JTAG is perfectly acceptable. In practice, most people will only want to check out the samples in the different ROMs before settling on the 4 ROMs they want to keep in the machine, or 4 user-hacked ROMs combining the best of the rest. This checking out could conceivably be done via the Proteus VX software. Then you'd leave it over night to write the samples.

Because if you are constantly switching ROM sets, you'd have a hard time keeping track of which presets and sequences use what ROM, etc. Adding a bank of custom samples to address some shortcomings of the CS architecture and of the ROM sample sets, that would make the Command Stations almost like the perfect instrument. But the Command Stations and their UI was not made to be used like a sampler and switching out the samples for every track, so not having the option of quickly switching ROM sets doesn't sound like too much of a drawback, imho. Though it would be nice, and for people with rack mount Proteus 2000's it might be more useful.

Now, I'd really like to see option 4 and custom software running on the ARM, with realtime sample streaming and transformation, and listening to the data lines to do all sorts of clever stuff, extending the functionality of the Proteus architecture. I'd also like to see the operating system reverse engineered, the CS mainboard FPGA reprogrammed, etc etc :-) But software development always takes much much longer than you think, hardware + software is even worse, and reverse engineering takes forever!

The fact that options 1 or 2 look like they could actually become a reality within the foreseeable future is very exciting! Fantastic job, Jack Pratt!

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by Jack Pratt

Most P2K ROM images are 27 to 31MB (according to the E4B files) there are only two that are 16MB - protozoa and holy grail. There are plenty of .E4B files on the formula 4000 series CDs that are less than 16MB. So even the existing ROMs could be padded with additional waveforms and also making them all have at least 8 banks would be great.

From: "janoch23@... [xl7]"
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2015, 10:54
Subject: Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

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112 MB (option 1) still sounds pretty good, many of the ROMs were 16 MB. 112MB is a HUGE amount of samples when they are so well edited as the E-Mu sets tend to be.

In my opinion, 8 hours for programming a full set via JTAG is perfectly acceptable. In practice, most people will only want to check out the samples in the different ROMs before settling on the 4 ROMs they want to keep in the machine, or 4 user-hacked ROMs combining the best of the rest. This checking out could conceivably be done via the Proteus VX software. Then you'd leave it over night to write the samples.

Because if you are constantly switching ROM sets, you'd have a hard time keeping track of which presets and sequences use what ROM, etc. Adding a bank of custom samples to address some shortcomings of the CS architecture and of the ROM sample sets, that would make the Command Stations almost like the perfect instrument. But the Command Stations and their UI was not made to be used like a sampler and switching out the samples for every track, so not having the option of quickly switching ROM sets doesn't sound like too much of a drawback, imho. Though it would be nice, and for people with rack mount Proteus 2000's it might be more useful.

Now, I'd really like to see option 4 and custom software running on the ARM, with realtime sample streaming and transformation, and listening to the data lines to do all sorts of clever stuff, extending the functionality of the Proteus architecture. I'd also like to see the operating system reverse engineered, the CS mainboard FPGA reprogrammed, etc etc :-) But software development always takes much much longer than you think, hardware + software is even worse, and reverse engineering takes forever!

The fact that options 1 or 2 look like they could actually become a reality within the foreseeable future is very exciting! Fantastic job, Jack Pratt!

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by janoch23@...

Then go for option 2, it will be great! Just sayin option 1 doesn't sound half bad either :-)

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by heyrag@...

Being a tad skeptical, I will order if and when these things actually materialize. I have been pumped for similar products in the past...at least twice before in these forums several years back and they never made it to prime time...just sayin' ....wake me up when Xmas gets here. I don't need to get in on the ground floor....

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Then go for option 2, it will be great! Just sayin option 1 doesn't sound half bad either :-)

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by janoch23@...

But that's sort of the point, why we're so excited - this time it seems like it will happen! A SIMM PCB + flash chips + CPLD + a few resistors and caps, it takes a lot of hard work to actually do it, but it seems entirely realistic!

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-06 by Jason Budris

I'm in for at least two B-type devices possibly 3 + programming device as well after further reading up on what I have been hearing off and on here for a while now. Sorry I outspoke without going through and reading about the OS itself.

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-07 by Andre Lewis

Definitely interested, although for the most part only in the ability to put my own samples in. �So I'm more for option C, or potentially option �A or B with custom images somehow.

Great work!

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-09 by dronetheory1996@...

Mr Pratt,
kudos!
...for what it is worth, I would be interested in any of the options, and even a programmer board if that materializes!
thanks!

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-23 by Bruno

Hi all,

it's a question for Jack, but I believe other users could benefit from the answer as well.

2015-05-03 7:35 GMT+02:00 Jack Pratt woodsworth1@yahoo.com [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:

b. Two flash chip device
cost: $US170 (approx)
availability: soonish (weeks I hope)
functionality: emulates up to 4 ROM slots simulataneously (so the P2k/command station thinks there are four ROM sIMMs there when there is only the single FLASH SIMM installed). I can preprogram it with whatever ROMs you want. But there is enough room in the device for 7 32MB images even though only 4 of them can be used at once (need to reset the system to make a change) Some jumpers will allow you to specify which slots are active so that you can put your own ROMs in that/those slots if you want, and which images are in each slot at the time.
limitations: it has 256MB of storage but it can only emulate four 32MB SIMMs at once from the 7 images in the memory allowing for the 4MB preset memory for each "ROM". It will require a special board to reprogram it which you will need to purchase separately for about $US50 [probably less].

If I wanted to have two 16MB SIMM images there (I'm thinking of HolyGrail & Protozoa), would that mean being able to fit 8 images in the memory?

Thanks,

Bruno

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-23 by Jack Pratt

Not the way you are thinking.

There are only two existing SIMMs with 16MB of wave memory. They are the Holy Grail and Protozoa SIMMS. I expect that once I read the content of the preset memory I will be able to determine how to combine these two into a single 32MB image having presets from both SIMMs. However, in doing that some of the information in preset memory may not fit into the space available. [that is each SIMM can use a 4MB space for preset information, but it doesn't have to use all of it, and so these two SIMMs may or may not have enough space to accommodate each other]. Won't know until we have a look.�

But if there were a whole lot of 16MB SIMMs that you wanted to emulate, then it would be possible to combine them into 32MB images, but the issue with the presets remains. You can only get 4MB of presets and combining them may come at the expense of the some of the information - that is you may have to ditch some songs or arps to make them fit. Would be dependant on what E-mu put into the preset information. But clearly you can have up to 8 banks of presets, some arps, some songs but the combination of those has to fit into the 4MB preset memory.

So yes you can have eight 16MB images (if there were so many available), but you only get one preset memory allocation per "SIMM" so what you get is up to what you can fit into it (and the SIMM wave memory need to be combined somehow).

This restriction is not mine. E-mu never produced a SIMM with more than 4MB of preset memory so I suspect there is a limit there somewhere. It is possible that the OS supports 128MB of preset memory as well as 128MB of wave form memory (there are electronic signals for that much) and that other things can be done with that memory. However, the preset memory is loaded into DRAM at startup so that there isn't interference between wave forms and presets during operation. The maximum RAM a P2K module can support is 16MB, and the command stations only have 8MB on board anyway (to the best of my memory - will have to look inside one of my command stations to check for sure). Bottom line is, without changing the OS (or coming up with a hardware expansion for the P2K module to increase available RAM or something) there will be some limitations on just how much preset memory is actually usable by the module.

From: "Bruno brunorc@... [xl7]"
To: xl7
Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2015, 22:51
Subject: Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

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Hi all,

it's a question for Jack, but I believe other users could benefit from the answer as well.

2015-05-03 7:35 GMT+02:00 Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:

b. Two flash chip device
cost: $US170 (approx)
availability: soonish (weeks I hope)
functionality: emulates up to 4 ROM slots simulataneously (so the P2k/command station thinks there are four ROM sIMMs there when there is only the single FLASH SIMM installed). I can preprogram it with whatever ROMs you want. But there is enough room in the device for 7 32MB images even though only 4 of them can be used at once (need to reset the system to make a change) Some jumpers will allow you to specify which slots are active so that you can put your own ROMs in that/those slots if you want, and which images are in each slot at the time.�
limitations: it has 256MB of storage but it can only emulate four 32MB SIMMs �at once from the 7 images in the memory allowing for the 4MB preset memory for each "ROM". It will require a special board to reprogram it which you will need to purchase separately for about $US50 [probably less].

If I wanted to have two 16MB SIMM images there (I'm thinking of HolyGrail & Protozoa), would that mean being able to fit 8 images in the memory?

Thanks,

Bruno

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-05-30 by Smith

That sounds very cool Bruno

Progress update

2015-06-04 by Jack Pratt

After a long delay for reasons I am not fully conversant with I finally got the PCBs today. Unfortunately I'm away from home for two weeks or so and won't be able to do anything with them until I get back, but here's what they look like (unpopulated), anyway.

Things to do -�

1. Populate a couple of boards and the programmer boards

2. Program the programmer board to read the existing ROMs

3. Program the CPLD to make the board work

4. Program the programmer to write to these new boards

5. Test test test...

Re: [xl7] Progress update [1 Attachment]

2015-06-04 by George G

Amazing Jack, first real step to success :)

Good luck with 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.�

Best,

George

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On 4 iun. 2015, at 15:43, Jack Pratt woodsworth1@...m [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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After a long delay for reasons I am not fully conversant with I finally got the PCBs today. Unfortunately I'm away from home for two weeks or so and won't be able to do anything with them until I get back, but here's what they look like (unpopulated), anyway.

Things to do -�
1. Populate a couple of boards and the programmer boards
2. Program the programmer board to read the existing ROMs
3. Program the CPLD to make the board work
4. Program the programmer to write to these new boards
5. Test test test...

Re: Progress update

2015-06-06 by smw-mail@...

The boards look impressive. Best wishes for successful population and testing.

Re: [xl7] Re: Progress update

2015-06-08 by Smith

Yes, Good work !

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 9:24 PM, "First Last solipsvs@... [xl7]" wrote:

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this is getting exciting!

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 7:32 AM, "smw-mail@... [xl7]" wrote:

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The boards look impressive. Best wishes for successful population and testing.

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-12-16 by perostec@...

Regarding the 7, how difficult (from easy 1 to impossible 10) would it be to make the FLASH on these ROMs EOS programmable?? I have a Platinum and an XL7 so making sample roms this way would be just awesomes!

Thanks.

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2015-12-16 by perostec@...

Any news on this? :)

Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2016-03-17 by Jack Pratt

Sigh...

Someone broke my computer so the FLASH SIMM project has been on hold. I had exams and starting a new job to contend with so too busy to sort things out. I still haven't got back to a setup which can program the SIMMs that I have made but it shouldn't take too much longer to do it.

I noticed a question about being able to program these SIMMs from an ultra sampler but that is not likely unless you want to reprogram the emu sampler.

We'll have to see how it proceeds from here.

From: perostec@... [xl7] ;
To: ;
Subject: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 2:25:43 PM

Any news on this? :)

Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2016-03-17 by Smith

If we can't load samples from an E-mu sampler, what do we load the SIMM with ? BTW . . . sorry about your computer and thanks for your efforts !

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:16 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" wrote:

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Sigh...

Someone broke my computer so the FLASH SIMM project has been on hold. I had exams and starting a new job to contend with so too busy to sort things out. I still haven't got back to a setup which can program the SIMMs that I have made but it shouldn't take too much longer to do it.

I noticed a question about being able to program these SIMMs from an ultra sampler but that is not likely unless you want to reprogram the emu sampler.

We'll have to see how it proceeds from here.

From: perostec@... [xl7] ;
To: ;
Subject: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 2:25:43 PM

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Any news on this? :)

Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2016-03-18 by First Last

over usb?� that sounds great!� so the discouraging posts not too long ago from the emu guy can be disregarded?� you are able to somehow work past the limitations he mentioned?� i had lost hope for this project.

whats wrong with your computer?� maybe we could fund you with a go fund me campaign?� id love this to become a reality!

On Friday, March 18, 2016 9:34 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" wrote:

A special programming board. You should be able to use it in an ultra (or audity 2k or p2k) but you don't use that to program it. Moving the board from device to device is bogus so ultimately it would be good to program it in the system you want to use it in even if you need to do that with a pc.

From: Smith smithrsmith@... [xl7] ;
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com ;
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Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2016 1:01:33 PM

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If we can't load samples from an E-mu sampler, what do we load the SIMM with ? BTW . . . sorry about your computer and thanks for your efforts !

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:16 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" wrote:

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Sigh...

Someone broke my computer so the FLASH SIMM project has been on hold. I had exams and starting a new job to contend with so too busy to sort things out. I still haven't got back to a setup which can program the SIMMs that I have made but it shouldn't take too much longer to do it.

I noticed a question about being able to program these SIMMs from an ultra sampler but that is not likely unless you want to reprogram the emu sampler.

We'll have to see how it proceeds from here.

From: perostec@... [xl7] ;
To: ;
Subject: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 2:25:43 PM

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Any news on this? :)

Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2016-03-22 by Jack Pratt

The simm (the one I have made) has the option for populating a microcontroller which can support a usb interface on the simm. That is, not the one on the command station. You would need a Ian cable hanging out of the proteus module to use it. But that's down the track a ways.

From: Smith smithrsmith@... [xl7] ;;
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com <xl7@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2016 1:11:40 AM

The USB on my XL7 is for MIDI transfer only, not sounds ! . . . but I was told when I bought my XL7, that it would be possible to create a sound with whatever you want, then sample it into an Emu Ultra sampler and when you had loaded enough sounds you could burn all of them onto a SIMM chip and install it in a command station . . . that was the dream anyway, then 6 month later Emu discontinued both products. Thanks Emu ! ! ! . . . Will this ever be possible ? Once again Jack Pratt Thanks for your efforts !

On Friday, March 18, 2016 7:34 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" wrote:

A special programming board. You should be able to use it in an ultra (or audity 2k or p2k) but you don't use that to program it. Moving the board from device to device is bogus so ultimately it would be good to program it in the system you want to use it in even if you need to do that with a pc.

From: Smith smithrsmith@... [xl7] ;
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com ;
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2016 1:01:33 PM

If we can't load samples from an E-mu sampler, what do we load the SIMM with ? BTW . . . sorry about your computer and thanks for your efforts !

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:16 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]"; wrote:

Sigh...

Someone broke my computer so the FLASH SIMM project has been on hold. I had exams and starting a new job to contend with so too busy to sort things out. I still haven't got back to a setup which can program the SIMMs that I have made but it shouldn't take too much longer to do it.

I noticed a question about being able to program these SIMMs from an ultra sampler but that is not likely unless you want to reprogram the emu sampler.

We'll have to see how it proceeds from here.

From: perostec@... [xl7] ;
To: ;
Subject: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 2:25:43 PM

Any news on this? :)

Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2016-03-22 by Smith

Okey Dokey !

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:37 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" wrote:

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The simm (the one I have made) has the option for populating a microcontroller which can support a usb interface on the simm. That is, not the one on the command station. You would need a Ian cable hanging out of the proteus module to use it. But that's down the track a ways.

From: Smith smithrsmith@... [xl7] ;
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com ;
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2016 1:11:40 AM

The USB on my XL7 is for MIDI �transfer only, not sounds ! . . . but I was told when I bought my XL7, that it would be possible to create a sound with whatever you want, then sample it into an Emu Ultra sampler and when you had loaded enough sounds you could burn all of them onto a SIMM chip and install it in a command station . . . that was the dream anyway, then 6 month later Emu discontinued both products. Thanks Emu ! ! ! �. . . Will this ever be possible ? Once again Jack Pratt Thanks for your efforts !

On Friday, March 18, 2016 7:34 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

�

A special programming board. You should be able to use it in an ultra (or audity 2k or p2k) but you don't use that to program it. Moving the board from device to device is bogus so ultimately it would be good to program it in the system you want to use it in even if you need to do that with a pc.

From: Smith smithrsmith@... [xl7] ;;
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com ;
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2016 1:01:33 PM

�

If we can't load samples from an E-mu sampler, what do we load the SIMM with ? BTW . . . sorry about your computer and thanks for your efforts !

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:16 AM, "Jack Pratt woodsworth1@... [xl7]" wrote:

�

Sigh...

Someone broke my computer so the FLASH SIMM project has been on hold. I had exams and starting a new job to contend with so too busy to sort things out. I still haven't got back to a setup which can program the SIMMs that I have made but it shouldn't take too much longer to do it.

I noticed a question about being able to program these SIMMs from an ultra sampler but that is not likely unless you want to reprogram the emu sampler.

We'll have to see how it proceeds from here.

From: perostec@... [xl7] ;
To: ;
Subject: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 2:25:43 PM

�

Any news on this? :)

Selling PX-7 with Protean Drum ROM

2016-06-01 by Greg Waltzer

I'm selling my PX-7 with the Protean Drum ROM on ebay.
Excellent condition, this one is pretty rare!
Starting bid $400.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322132047739

Also selling a Pop Collection ROM in original box.
Starting bid $100.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322132051702

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2017-03-01 by perostec@...

still waiiitinnggg :) :)

pretty please make it happen.

Re: FLASH SIMM purchase options

2019-07-15 by tarkan.sahin78@...

any news to that?