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Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-05 by treatment6a@...

I really don't understand , caused me to lost many hours of works (couple of times) 


Lets say you have created a pattern with 5 tracks and 5 presets . 

Each preset has edits , and each track recorded including knob moves . 


I saved the pattern . 


But when i started the machine again next day, it seems only tracks saved but no edits on presets , i cannot hear also the knob moves . 


So if i want to recall everything as the way it sounds , does that mean ; 


i have to save pattern separately 

i have to save each preset separately 

i have to save multi file separately 


and recall them one by one each time i want to turn back to the project ? 


Well, i am very experienced of many machines like that , but this one drives me crazy regarding saving loading and i still don't get it . 


thanks 



RE: [xl7] Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-06 by Scott E. Whitehead

Happy to help.  Forum is best.  The other folks here set me straight on occasion, no one seems to mind the chatter. And it9;s good to contribute to the archive. 

On Sep 6, 2014 3:58 AM, "treatment6a@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hello dear Scott 


thanks a lot for the answer 

Seems like you are really experienced on this machine . 

I have really some couple of critical questions also beside saving things. I really need to understand the fun way of workflow with this unit , and even though i read the manual totally , i still couldn't get some points. 

Would you mind if we can talk over Skype or mail ? would be more easier .

of course if you have time. 

thanks a lot  

RE: [xl7] Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-12 by treatment6a@...

Hello Scott 

Thanks 

I want to learn usage of triggers which i really don't get it . 
When i select a riff , there are great beats going on , but than pattern mode is getting disactivated 
How is the usage of riffs thru audition ? 

Seems like those riffs nothing else but just arrpeggiators pre composed for different tracks allowing you to mute or unmute. 

I need to learn how to make beats using arrpegiators for each track . 

In manual it says that you can use only 3 triggers (means 3 arrpegiators and 3 tracks) , but how comes that those written riffs can usage 16 different beats on 16 tracks . 

There my confusion is . 


Re: [xl7] Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-12 by Scott E. Whitehead

Afraid I got nothing on riffs.  I think you can turn them on as arpeggios but I'm not very good at those either.   Anyone else?
Scott

On Friday, September 12, 2014, treatment6a@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hello Scott 


Thanks 

I want to learn usage of triggers which i really don't get it . 
When i select a riff , there are great beats going on , but than pattern mode is getting disactivated 
How is the usage of riffs thru audition ? 

Seems like those riffs nothing else but just arrpeggiators pre composed for different tracks allowing you to mute or unmute. 

I need to learn how to make beats using arrpegiators for each track . 

In manual it says that you can use only 3 triggers (means 3 arrpegiators and 3 tracks) , but how comes that those written riffs can usage 16 different beats on 16 tracks . 

There my confusion is . 


Re: [xl7] Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-12 by Matt

Triggers are good for beats mode, pattern switching or as note triggers. Beats mode can be synced with playing sequences by pressing RTZ key combo.

On Sep 12, 2014 8:01 AM, ";'Scott E. Whitehead' scottewhitehead@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Afraid I got nothing on riffs.  I think you can turn them on as arpeggios but I'm not very good at those either.   Anyone else?

Scott

On Friday, September 12, 2014, treatment6a@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hello Scott 


Thanks 

I want to learn usage of triggers which i really don't get it . 
When i select a riff , there are great beats going on , but than pattern mode is getting disactivated 
How is the usage of riffs thru audition ? 

Seems like those riffs nothing else but just arrpeggiators pre composed for different tracks allowing you to mute or unmute. 

I need to learn how to make beats using arrpegiators for each track . 

In manual it says that you can use only 3 triggers (means 3 arrpegiators and 3 tracks) , but how comes that those written riffs can usage 16 different beats on 16 tracks . 

There my confusion is . 


Re: Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-13 by smw-mail@...

Beats, arps, riffs, triggers, etc. provide great flexibility. I would like to spend some time re-teaching myself some of this stuff.  A few basic points related to this specific post (and some explorations).

But first--I believe the RTZ (Return To Zero) on-the-fly shortcut is: (1) hold down play, (2) press stop--aka the stutter effect.  Normally, pressing stop by itself twice does a sequence/pattern RTZ, but if play is being held first, a single stop does a momentary RTZ of the sequence/pattern.  I never tried it with beats/arps, but I am guess it might do the same.

Your E-Mu box (CS/P2500) has a number of ways of creating sequences or notes patterns, riffs, arps, lfos, etc.) There are also triggers.

The Audition button simply plays the AUDITION RIFF of the Basic Preset--the preset that's on the channel in the display window.  You can go into Edit Preset mode and change the audition riff and if you want save it with the preset.  If you want, you can also set the box to output the midi data--either to external gear, or with a midi loop (midi out to midi in) to record the riff into a pattern for your own use.

Audition Riffs are Sound ROM resources. You cannot change them. There are special Riffs known as Beats (BTS) riffs that have sequences on up to 16 channels.  (I think some other special riffs are up to 4 channels--not sure, though. Most riffs contain note and possibly controller and other data on a single channel.)

OK--that's that about the audition button.  I find it useful to hear what presets sounds like.  Once you get over trying to jam with them (which can be cool!), you can get into other stuff--like arps, beats, triggers, etc.

Just briefly for now: the 16 buttons: You can toggle these on the fly between track mute/enable buttons and triggers buttons.  If you go into CONTROLLERS, you have 3 choices for the trigger buttons: (a) Play Beats Parts, (b) Play Note Events, (c) Select Patterns.

If you choose Play Note Events, you have several parameters for each of the 16 buttons (T1->T16): Note, Velocity, Latch on/off, Channel, and destination (internal, external, both, and sequencer).

I have used this mode to trigger arps on my P2500 as background for live noodling on an external keyboard--some arps in latch mode for ongoing rhythmic stuff, some notes as momentary on triggers --such as for a note with a long decay.

If you choose Play Beats Parts, you can go into the ARP menu system to set up BEATS parameters: (a) Beats Mode, (b) Beats Keys Layout, etc. (Take a look, read the manual, play around, etc.)

In short, with Beats Mode you are using a single pattern from your ROM Resources--specifically, the audition riff of the preset on the channel selected in the BEATS MODE menu page. (Hope I got that right.)

Once you have selected a preset with a BTS Riff, you can play with it in a number of ways. With the audition button you are really just turning it on or off all at once, although with the 16 trigger buttons you can turn the different parts [channels] on and off individually. Also, some of your knobs are probably routed to such functions as BtsBusy and BtsVari via the PRESET PATCHCORDS.  (Try a bts factory preset and look for preset patchcords for MidiM and MidiN.)

So, right out of the box, you can do quite a bit of jamming by controlling bts presets using the audtion button, the beats trigger part mutes, and the default knobs assigned to two of the beats patchcords.

From there it starts to get more complex.  With either your box or an external controller, you can have your own beats keys layout setting to control 16 parts, 4 groups, etc. They can latched, unlatched, or 1-bar triggers. (And if you screw it up--you can always reload the factory beats configuration!!!!!)  You can decide which parts belong to which of the 4 groups--or none at all.

I am pretty sure you can have your 16 trigger buttons set up to play arps and at the same time have an external controller turning beats parts on and off.

I am sure I am leaving out lots, but I hope this (1) explains the issue you are having with the audition button and (2) shows you a little bit of how you can use audition riffs with the 16 buttons, a couple of knobs, and some keyboard control.

Steve

PS: One of the CS addenda (131, or the manual itself--see XL-7 rev. D pp 242 ff. ) will give you a more detail and maybe even explain it better.

Oh--I have never used them, but you can use preset patchcords to control the beats velocity of each group, and there's an BtsXps patchcord destination for each group.  Hmmmmm.  That seems to mean you can use a knob to transpose the keyboard mapping for each group. So when there is a pitched instrument in the range of the preset, you can change the pitch.

Anyhow, hope this helps. 

Re: [xl7] Re: Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-13 by Matt

"I am not sure (maybe Matt or someone else knows), but it seems when the next pattern comes up (NextPat -> CurPat), the track enables/mutes switch to whatever had been stored with the pattern."

If you hold shift (tap) while switching I believe you can keep the current pattern mutes.

"the Basic Channel (the one on the display) changed, as did the preset on the Basic Channel, and so did the audition riff. Not sure if there's a workaround for this rather obscure test."

Most likely BC you have a program change pointed at your bts channel.

-matt

On Sep 13, 2014 9:16 AM, "smw-mail@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

When i select a riff , there are great beats going on , but than pattern mode is getting disactivated 
How is the usage of riffs thru audition ?

When you said "pattern mode" at first I did not think you meant that you had the trigger buttons set up to "Select Patterns" but rather that you were in pattern play mode and that the track enable/mute buttons got changed by pressing the audition button. So I explained things based on what I thought was the most likely scenario you had.

But maybe you did have the button set to select patterns. Even if not, I thought I'd play around with a feature I never use (using the trigger buttons to select patterns). So, as long as I am figuring it out, I thought I'd share what I learned. Its kind of simple: I set T1 -> T8 to different patterns. While one is playing (CurPat), I can arm the next up pattern (NextPat). To jump to the next pattern (instead of waiting until the end of a pattern aka Ln), you can do the immediate RTZ trick: press and hold play and on the beat (or whenever) press stop.  You can toggle the 16 buttons between Track Enable/Mute mode and Trigger Mode on the fly. I am not sure (maybe Matt or someone else knows), but it seems when the next pattern comes up (NextPat -> CurPat), the track enables/mutes switch to whatever had been stored with the pattern.

By the way, I tested this with patterns that used channels assigned to Port A.  Then on C01B, I hit Audition. It functioned as expected--meaning that audition riff assigned to the preset on C01B played as expected. HOWEVER (and that's a big however), when NextPat became CurPat, the Basic Channel (the one on the display) changed, as did the preset on the Basic Channel, and so did the audition riff. Not sure if there's a workaround for this rather obscure test.

Perhaps when I have an external controller set up to do beats I will see what happens to beats in this kind of situation.  Switching the Beats Mode to use a trigger channel and a beats channel on port B is not a work around.

By the way, when you are using the buttons as beats triggers, pressing any of the 16 buttons with turn the audition button light on.  Pressing the audition button at that point will turn all selected beats parts off.

Out of curiosity, are you trying to do something specific?

Still not sure what you meant by pattern mode becoming deactivated. Maybe its something other than what I addressed.

Steve
 



 

Re: Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-13 by smw-mail@...

In manual it says that you can use only 3 triggers (means 3 arpeggiators and 3 tracks) , but how comes that those written riffs can usage 16 different beats on 16 tracks
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I am wondering where you saw this. I search XL-7 Manual G for the word triggers. The only place I saw 3 triggers mentioned was in the "Instant Gratification" section where there is an example using 3 triggers to play 3 arpeggiators.

"15. Now press Trigger Buttons 1, 2 and 3. You should be hearing three arpeggiators playing at once." (page 41 of the pdf)

However, this is just an example.

Also, using the word tracks there is misleading.  The sequencer has 16 tracks, but each track can have up to 16 channels of midi data (C01A ->C16A or C01B->C16B). The E-Mu can have up to 32 different arps sounding--one for each midi channel on the two ports.






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Re: [xl7] Re: Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-15 by Bruno

2014-09-13 16:54 GMT+02:00 smw-mail@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:
Normally, pressing stop by itself twice does a sequence/pattern RTZ, but if play is being held first, a single stop does a momentary RTZ of the sequence/pattern.  I never tried it with beats/arps, but I am guess it might do the same.

No, because arps & beats are triggered by "Audition" button, and Start/Stop controls are not affecting it (which is actually good).

Re: [xl7] Re: Somebody please teach me how to SAVE !

2014-09-15 by Matt

Holding play while pressing stop does restart all beats in sync.
Beats will also continue to play while you stop the machine. 
This will allow you to keep beats mode running, stop the pattern, switch to another pattern, and start the new pattern synced with the beats mode still running.
Great for transitioning between patterns in a live setting.
Matt

On Sep 15, 2014 1:02 PM, "Bruno brunorc@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

2014-09-13 16:54 GMT+02:00 smw-mail@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:
Normally, pressing stop by itself twice does a sequence/pattern RTZ, but if play is being held first, a single stop does a momentary RTZ of the sequence/pattern.  I never tried it with beats/arps, but I am guess it might do the same.

No, because arps & beats are triggered by "Audition" button, and Start/Stop controls are not affecting it (which is actually good).