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Best - most interesting ROMs

Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Carl Lofgren

Hi guys - I'm currently looking for some ROMs to expand the sound of my 
MP7. What's your favourite ROMs?

/C

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Bruno

Some would be surprised, but actually the first CMPSR ROM from P2K is quite useful. It has enough sounds to provide the basic sounds in a pattern, as well as some spicy "third backgrounds".

XROM - you should not leave the home without it. Every Command Station should have one. Luckily this one is quite cheap nowadays.

Protozoa - while the presets are what they are, it comes with a lot of interesting samples.

And, last but first - VROM. I use it mostly in my PK-6 though, because I'd rather play the keyboard with its sounds,  than use them in sequences - they are damn good!
 
Bruno


2014-07-16 8:30 GMT+02:00 Carl Lofgren carl_lofgren@yahoo.com [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:
Hi guys - I'm currently looking for some ROMs to expand the sound of my
MP7. What's your favourite ROMs?

/C


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Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Carl Lofgren

Thanks for the suggestions! I have been eyeing the Composer ROM for quite some time and it really seems to contain a whole bunch of great samples that cover most styles. How about the Rob Papen Beat Garden and Techno ROMs? I've heard everything from them being fantastic to complete rubbish :)

/C

16 Jul 2014 10:17
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Some would be surprised, but actually the first CMPSR ROM from P2K is quite useful. It has enough sounds to provide the basic sounds in a pattern, as well as some spicy "third backgrounds".

XROM - you should not leave the home without it. Every Command Station should have one. Luckily this one is quite cheap nowadays.

Protozoa - while the presets are what they are, it comes with a lot of interesting samples.

And, last but first - VROM. I use it mostly in my PK-6 though, because I'd rather play the keyboard with its sounds,� than use them in sequences - they are damn good!
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Hi guys - I'm currently looking for some ROMs to expand the sound of my
MP7. What's your favourite ROMs?

/C

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Matt

In my px7 I've got xl7, px7, beat garden, and world. Love em. In my mp7 I got p2k mp7 and xl1. Love em. Have a virtuoso 2k rack and a orbit 3 rack and vintage pro rack and ya they're pretty much all ace. Might even be forgetting one.
Depends what genres ur going for but almost everything is excellent and usable, they're like pokemon. Gotta catch em all.
Haven't used protozoa, vrom, or pro piano or sliedczak. Heard they're good though.
That said you'll still need a sampler for extra sounds they won't have in the roms.
Enjoy!

On Jul 16, 2014 1:17 AM, "Bruno brunorc@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Some would be surprised, but actually the first CMPSR ROM from P2K is quite useful. It has enough sounds to provide the basic sounds in a pattern, as well as some spicy "third backgrounds".
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> XROM - you should not leave the home without it. Every Command Station should have one. Luckily this one is quite cheap nowadays.
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> Protozoa - while the presets are what they are, it comes with a lot of interesting samples.
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> And, last but first - VROM. I use it mostly in my PK-6 though, because I'd rather play the keyboard with its sounds,  than use them in sequences - they are damn good!
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> Bruno
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>> Hi guys - I'm currently looking for some ROMs to expand the sound of my
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Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Bruno


2014-07-16 10:47 GMT+02:00 Matt somatt@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:
> Have a virtuoso 2k rack and a orbit 3 rack and vintage pro rack and ya they're pretty much all ace.

> Haven't used protozoa, vrom, or pro piano or sliedczak. Heard they're good though.

AFAIK VROM is the ROM from Vintage Pro.

I have Beat Garden and TSCY in my MP7. Beat Garden has some excellent Beats-based presets, but haven't explored it's other virtues. TSCY for me is a mixed bag... I'm not really into getting as close to the original 808 or 909 kick drum as possible, but there are also inspiring sounds.

Siedlaczek is full of interesting orchestral effects, and in my opinion would be most useful in rack module, driven from a linear MIDI sequencer.

QROM (from the Halo keyboard) is also in interesting proposition - not only a lot of bread-and-butter sounds, but also a great piano.

But, to be honest, there are no bad ROMs in E-mu, the worst that may happen is to get one which doesn't really suit your style - for me it's the MROM, but I know people who love it.

Bruno

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by xxxdna@...

i tend to agree with bruno here. the m/phatt rom is pretty useless. although it does have some decent drums if that is what you are looking for.

as far as the TSCY and Beat Garden they are really only useful for drum sounds. their 'synth' samples are pretty limited and not very useful. the HALO/ZR76 rom is alright.. but it also has a bunch of useless general midi soundsets that you will never use. the "perfect" piano was ok for its time.. it was cool 15 years ago but here are a ton of far better sampled pianos that you can get for Kontakt etc. now
if you don't have the composer i would get that as it is a great all around rom.

ive owned almost all of the roms (except for the orchestral ones) and i can say that I probably have used the composer most of all over the years. 

for me, the rom i use the most is the composer. the rom i use the least is the halo (and mp/phatt)

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Nathan Steele

Protean Drums, All the drums you'll ever need, plus a bunch more!

Mo'Phatt is not the best, but it can be useful, especially if you edit your own sounds. It does have some crappy preset's though.


On 7/16/2014 11:17 AM, xxxdna@... [xl7] wrote:
 

i tend to agree with bruno here. the m/phatt rom is pretty useless. although it does have some decent drums if that is what you are looking for.

as far as the TSCY and Beat Garden they are really only useful for drum sounds. their 'synth' samples are pretty limited and not very useful. the HALO/ZR76 rom is alright.. but it also has a bunch of useless general midi soundsets that you will never use. the "perfect" piano was ok for its time.. it was cool 15 years ago but here are a ton of far better sampled pianos that you can get for Kontakt etc. now
if you don't have the composer i would get that as it is a great all around rom.

ive owned almost all of the roms (except for the orchestral ones) and i can say that I probably have used the composer most of all over the years. 

for me, the rom i use the most is the composer. the rom i use the least is the halo (and mp/phatt)


Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Scott E. Whitehead

Has anyone ever tried to build sounds synth-style from standard wave forms?  I keep looking at it as a possibility but then get sidetracked, mostly though option paralysis and interface fatigue.  Now that I've got the editor working reliably, I'm ready to give it another try.

I'm perpetually befuddled by the organization of the Beat ROM.  There are so many great sounding percs (mostly, some tones too) stored away with each sound set.  I suppose the idea was to have a single kit for a whole track but it's like they're squandered in there.  Also, many of the presets look like they're in there as part of a larger kit even though there doesn't seem to be any pattern to how they're stored.  Did anyone ever make complete sense of how it's layed out?  Can you explain it to me so I can be more efficient?

My standard routine with the MP7 ROM sound set is to find something that's close and drop the vocals (usually) out and add release.  That gets me a long way back to just a good sample.  Then squish the heck out of it with cutoff and I'm close to where I want to be.

Scott



On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Nathan Steele XTCaine303@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Protean Drums, All the drums you'll ever need, plus a bunch more!

Mo'Phatt is not the best, but it can be useful, especially if you edit your own sounds. It does have some crappy preset's though.




On 7/16/2014 11:17 AM, xxxdna@... [xl7] wrote:
 

i tend to agree with bruno here. the m/phatt rom is pretty useless. although it does have some decent drums if that is what you are looking for.

as far as the TSCY and Beat Garden they are really only useful for drum sounds. their 'synth' samples are pretty limited and not very useful. the HALO/ZR76 rom is alright.. but it also has a bunch of useless general midi soundsets that you will never use. the "perfect" piano was ok for its time.. it was cool 15 years ago but here are a ton of far better sampled pianos that you can get for Kontakt etc. now
if you don't have the composer i would get that as it is a great all around rom.

ive owned almost all of the roms (except for the orchestral ones) and i can say that I probably have used the composer most of all over the years. 

for me, the rom i use the most is the composer. the rom i use the least is the halo (and mp/phatt)



Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by Bruno

So far I've only listened to it on laptop's speakers, but it certainly sounds interesting!

(and again, XROM FTW!)


2014-07-16 18:28 GMT+02:00 Ted Stahl stahler@slu.edu [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


Scott,

I decided to see what I could do with the engine when I got my MP-7 restored and running. I have the original Mo-Phatt ROM as well as the Xtreme Lead ROM in my Command Station.

I chose to use the standard Saw waveform from the Xtreme Lead ROM and I put it on all 4 layers. I then used LFOs to modify the filter cutoff frequency at different rates on each of these layers. I was pleased with what it could do. The SoundCloud link below gives and idea of what the patch sounds like.


Peace.

Ted



Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-16 by janoch23@...

Hijacking the topic: I remember a post, it might have been by Balma, that listed most of the available E-Mu ROMs together with information about which ones works well with the SLOOP glitch waveform trick. Does anybody know which post I'm talking about? I've tried searching for it, but you all know how well that works these days...

Re: [xl7] Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-17 by Daniel H

each rom should have their own id.. maybe it is sharing and id with a rom that is installed and thus not getting detected. have you tried removing all roms and booting the xl7 with only the VROM installed?


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM, tricmagazine tricmagazine@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I brought this up a while ago with no resolve... So this may be the opp, hope I'm not too off topic!

Anyone have luck loading a Vintage Keys ROM in a Command Station?

I have one in a PX-7 and I get really bad distortion. In my XL-7, which has a flash ROM, Vintage Keys won't even load. I've tried rearranging ROMs in all configurations, messed with all settings, and can't get a good result.

I'm now thinking it's a voicing issue b/c I think it's an older ROM (90's)... I really want this thing to work, any advice or similar experience? I'm to the point I'm about to buy Proteus 2000, hoping it will load.

Thoughts???

Casey


Re: [xl7] Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-18 by Bruno

Just to clarify: Casey, are you talking about the ROM taken from this one:

http://www.vintagesynth.com/emu/vintkeys.php

or this one:

http://www.vintagesynth.com/emu/vintagepro.php

If the first one, I wouldn't be surprised at all; in fact I would be surprised that you didn';t fry both parts of the equipment (being a complete laic about voltages used in both units and all the other details). Though if we're talking about the second one, I'm really surprised and I would bet on malfunctioning ROM - static electricity maybe? A friend of mine has a "silent" MROM, most likely damaged while moving ROMs between units.

Cheers,

Bruno



2014-07-18 0:21 GMT+02:00 Daniel H xxxdna@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


each rom should have their own id.. maybe it is sharing and id with a rom that is installed and thus not getting detected. have you tried removing all roms and booting the xl7 with only the VROM installed?


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM, tricmagazine tricmagazine@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I brought this up a while ago with no resolve... So this may be the opp, hope I'm not too off topic!

Anyone have luck loading a Vintage Keys ROM in a Command Station?

I have one in a PX-7 and I get really bad distortion. In my XL-7, which has a flash ROM, Vintage Keys won't even load. I've tried rearranging ROMs in all configurations, messed with all settings, and can't get a good result.

I'm now thinking it's a voicing issue b/c I think it's an older ROM (90's)... I really want this thing to work, any advice or similar experience? I'm to the point I'm about to buy Proteus 2000, hoping it will load.

Thoughts???

Casey





Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-18 by tricmagazine

Yes, VROM in PX-7 distorts regardless of configuration.

I've checked OS versions, played w all global and individual settings... I'm at a loss. I think it's not releasing voices or something.

Yes, I can get VROM to work correctly by itself in the XL-7, but it will not show up when the XL ROM is installed regardless of configuration. I think it's because the XL ROM is a Flash Version.

Casey

Re: [xl7] Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-07-18 by Daniel H

normally this would result in an error message upon booting.. so surprised you're not getting that.
what version of the OS does your units have?


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM, tricmagazine tricmagazine@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Yes, VROM in PX-7 distorts regardless of configuration.

I've checked OS versions, played w all global and individual settings... I'm at a loss. I think it's not releasing voices or something.

Yes, I can get VROM to work correctly by itself in the XL-7, but it will not show up when the XL ROM is installed regardless of configuration. I think it9;s because the XL ROM is a Flash Version.

Casey


Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-02 by smw-mail@...

Earlier today, a chat friend told me about a thread at GearSlutz with cool tips and tricks. Interestingly enough, the thread was started by Balma!!! (Not sure if he's still a member here, but I hope he doesn't mind my posting the link.)

The E-mu Command Station XL-7/MP-7/PK-7 and Proteus 2500 tutorials - Gearslutz.com
The E-mu Command Station XL-7/MP-7/PK-...
The idea of this thread is to allow to the E-mu Command station and Proteus 2500 users to understand the potential of th...
View on www.gearslutz.com
Preview by Yahoo

 

So far the focus tends to be on preset creation using cool ideas for using E-Mu's legendary virtual patchcords. That's a good think, in my opinion! There are some basic questions being asked about the gear, so regular members here might want to skip over the old news stuff.

I haven't tried any of Balma's examples, but they definitely look worth checking out!!

Steve



 

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-05 by Matt

I remember someone was asking about faux side chaining it9;s done with similar methods to the ones balma is using in that thread.  If I get a chance I will check my exact cord mapping for faux side chain and post it.

On Aug 5, 2014 9:50 AM, "Daniel H xxxdna@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com>; wrote:
 

very cool. thanks for sharing!


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:05 AM, ro_commandstation@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Balma rocks. Very helpful, and probably half the reason I hunted down a Command Station.


Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-06 by napravobg@...

I just got the Pure Phatt ROM, and although it's generally perceived to be fairly boring, I like it a lot.

Drums are good, and sit well in mixes. I also have Composer and ZR, and they compliment those very well.

 Synths and Keys are OK but not amazing, (a bit of overlap here with other ROMS, especially with a tweak ) but reasonably OK as inclusion on the ROM if used as 'stand-alone'

Basses not really exceptional or much different from my other Proteus Roms ( Composer for instance)  and tweaking any bass on any ROM could fairly easily generate sounds similar to most of the Pure Phatt bass examples IMO.

However, the guitars are ultra-critical for me as a Starr Labs Ztarist, (a guitar-like fingerboard with 144 touch -sensitive switches on-board )
 Ztar is my main instrument, rather than keyboards and I layer de-tuned guitars and clav-type voices, to come up with a lot of different 'zither-type' patches...and I use guitars with Virtuoso strings and bass for example, a lot.

I find the Pure Phatt guitar voices very useable, whereas I didn't find the Composer ROM guitars (or the ZR ROM guitars ( including the General Midi guitars on the ZR ROM  ) to be half as good, or half as useable.

Of course, it's 'horse for courses', but personally, I like the Pure Phatt a lot.  

Seven out of ten..

Question to the Group.
 I have the MP7 with supplied Rom, and all my research says it's the Pure-Phatt Rom..

However, the sounds are completely different on my MP7 to those on the Pure Phatt.
An unscrewing of the case and a  glance at the chip inside just says 'Drums'..  Does anyone know anything more? 
Advice anyone?

richard
bulgaria

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-06 by Michael Brien Lane

You might have the Protean Drums ROM from the PX-7. How to tell: what does the ROM identifier say in the display (top-right corner when selecting patches)? I think the Protean Drums says “DRUM". The stock MP-7 ROM says “MP-7”.

I had a PX-7 once and the drums were quite good. However, I didn’t like the drab gray livery of that instrument and prefer the happy yellow of the XL-7.

On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:06 AM, napravobg@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Question to the Group. 
 I have the MP7 with supplied Rom, and all my research says it's the Pure-Phatt Rom.. 

However, the sounds are completely different on my MP7 to those on the Pure Phatt. 
An unscrewing of the case and a  glance at the chip inside just says 'Drums'.. ; Does anyone know anything more?  
Advice anyone?

richard
bulgaria

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-07 by ro_commandstation@...

Yeah, the PX-7 / Protean Drums rom 9066 is displayed as DRUM

I've got a nice document that shows all the details / identifers etc.

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-07 by Nathan Steele

Definitely....Wish My MP-7 came with that surprise, I wouldn't have had to buy a PX-7 a month later......
On 8/7/2014 3:15 PM, Matt somatt@... [xl7] wrote:
 

More like a $300 surprise :)

On Aug 7, 2014 6:04 AM, "Bruno brunorc@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Wow, getting Drum ROM instead of Phatt... I would say it's a $100 surprise ;-)

Congrats!


2014-08-07 13:57 GMT+02:00 napravobg@yahoo.co.uk [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


Yes, it does say DRUM, and it says the same on the printed label on the ROM chip inside.  So it's the Protean drum chip then?

Many thanks folks..

regards

richard
bulgaria



Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-07 by Matt

Half the px 7 nowadays on ebay are stripped of the rom too

On Aug 7, 2014 12:35 PM, "Nathan Steele XTCaine303@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com>; wrote:
 

Definitely....Wish My MP-7 came with that surprise, I wouldn't have had to buy a PX-7 a month later......

On 8/7/2014 3:15 PM, Matt somatt@... [xl7] wrote:
 

More like a $300 surprise :)

On Aug 7, 2014 6:04 AM, "Bruno brunorc@gmail.com [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Wow, getting Drum ROM instead of Phatt... I would say it's a $100 surprise ;-)

Congrats!


2014-08-07 13:57 GMT+02:00 napravobg@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


Yes, it does say DRUM, and it says the same on the printed label on the ROM chip inside.  So it's the Protean drum chip then?

Many thanks folks..

regards

richard
bulgaria



Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-08 by Bruno

What was the second company? I mean, obviously the first one would be E-mu, but who else did manufacture them?


2014-08-08 9:31 GMT+02:00 napravobg@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com>:


So, are all of the Proteus ROMS in circulation now, ( on the second-hand market mainly on e-bay ) the only ones that will ever be available?

 ie I know that there were 2 companies making them..

So, has all production of Proteus ROMs in those companies ceased, or might re-issues be made commercially again at some point?   Anyone have any ideas?

richard
BG


Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2014-08-08 by Daniel H

rom production ended around 2004-2005. at that time emu had a clearence sale, knowing they were abandoning hardware products, and were selling roms for ~$50. i bought a holy grail rom (NIB) from a music store in vancouver for $50 at that time. now they sell on ebay for $200-300!
it is really unfortunate that the second hand market for these is so inflated. especially considering they are not that great when compared to todays standards. someone just bought an ensoniq project rom for $350 on ebay. i don't care how 'rare' it is, for 32mb of samples that is a difficult pill to swallow. i  can honestly say, being the owner of emu proteus 2000 roms, that i don't think there is anything in them that i would say is "essential" or that I could not do without. that said, i do enjoy having my p2k and xl7 maxxed out!


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 8:19 AM, ro_commandstation@yahoo.com [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

One was Pactron, the other was U.T.


Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-28 by smw-mail@...

I don't remember that post, otherwise I'd look for it.  Balma has a presence at gearslutz, with a focus on sound design ideas using the P2K synth engine.  You might look there and even drop him a post if you can't find the one you are looking for.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/942396-e-mu-command-station-xl-7-mp-7-pk-7-proteus-2500-tutorials.html

Hmmm. I do recall either doing or reading something about reading past sample boundaries; not sure if that was in a manual or in the post you are recalling.

Steve

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-28 by Jon K. Carroll

Balma also has a presence on VSE...
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I don't remember that post, otherwise I'd look for it.� Balma has a presence at gearslutz, with a focus on sound design ideas using the P2K synth engine.  You might look there and even drop him a post if you can't find the one you are looking for.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/942396-e-mu-command-station-xl-7-mp-7-pk-7-proteus-2500-tutorials.html

Hmmm. I do recall either doing or reading something about reading past sample boundaries; not sure if that was in a manual or in the post you are recalling.

Steve

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-28 by smw-mail@...

Ahem. I know I can be a bit wordy with my explanations, but sometimes brevity is problematic.  It seems to be this case with your reply.

This is the first time I have seen VSE. An internet search comes up with several things this could stand for--Virtual Stock Exchange, Vienna Stock Exchange, an operating system, some engineering websites, and a bunch of other things, none of which have anything to do with E-Mu gear, the P2K synth engine, preset sound design, etc. from what my internet search turned up.

Perhaps you could use a few more words and tell us what VSE is and how it relates to the question. For example, if you know that Balma is an engineer and works at VSECorp, that might be useful information.

Apologies if everyone else here knows which VSE is being reverenced.

Thanks.

Steve

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-28 by Jon K. Carroll

maybe if you included the term ‘synthesizer’ in your search.
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Ahem. I know I can be a bit wordy with my explanations, but sometimes brevity is problematic.� It seems to be this case with your reply.

This is the first time I have seen VSE. An internet search comes up with several things this could stand for--Virtual Stock Exchange, Vienna Stock Exchange, an operating system, some engineering websites, and a bunch of other things, none of which have anything to do with E-Mu gear, the P2K synth engine, preset sound design, etc. from what my internet search turned up.

Perhaps you could use a few more words and tell us what VSE is and how it relates to the question. For example, if you know that Balma is an engineer and works at VSECorp, that might be useful information.

Apologies if everyone else here knows which VSE is being reverenced.

Thanks.

Steve

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by eidorian@...

VSE = Vintage Synth Explorer, http://www.vintagesynth.com/

They have synth info pages, a forum and a gear sales section.

Mauricio Balma�is a regular forum poster there (and elsewhere).� There was one proteus series programming post from him that was extremely detailed and quite interesting, but I can't seem to find it now sorry.

Cheers,
A.

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On 2015-07-29 09:09, smw-mail@... [xl7] wrote:

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Ahem. I know I can be a bit wordy with my explanations, but sometimes brevity is problematic.� It seems to be this case with your reply.

This is the first time I have seen VSE. An internet search comes up with several things this could stand for--Virtual Stock Exchange, Vienna Stock Exchange, an operating system, some engineering websites, and a bunch of other things, none of which have anything to do with E-Mu gear, the P2K synth engine, preset sound design, etc. from what my internet search turned up.

Perhaps you could use a few more words and tell us what VSE is and how it relates to the question. For example, if you know that Balma is an engineer and works at VSECorp, that might be useful information.

Apologies if everyone else here knows which VSE is being reverenced.

Thanks.

Steve

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Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by smw-mail@...

I suppose if I had put Vintage Synthesizer Explorer in the search bar the search engine would have found it. Or it wasn't 90 degrees today, I might have been able to guess at some other ways to find what VSE was.

On the other hand, you could have provided a link.  But as I said, I know I tend to err on the side of providing too much information in an effort to be helpful.

Thanks for telling me what VSE stands for.

Steve

Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by smw-mail@...

OOOOPS. I erred. It wasn't you that replied with a straightforward answer to an honest question; it was in the reply after yours!!!!!!  My bad!

Re: Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by smw-mail@...

Thank YOU for answering my question, for the link, and for the explanation. I have been to that site before but never knew they had a forum.  So thanks for clarifying an honest question with an honest answer.
Steve

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by smw-mail@...

Just for the fun of it, I took your suggestion and did an internet search for VSE and Balma.  In the first 10 pages there was only one possibly relevant link:
Most popular synth between VSE members?? - Vintage...

Most popular synth between VSE members?? by balma » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:20 pm . just wondering wich is the emblematic synth for this forum.


I did not go past 10 search engine pages of results, but I will take you at your word that IN YOUR BROWSER there may have been a whole bunch more--and maybe even ones more recent that 2010. I have read some articles about how search engines work--or don't work, depending on your perspective.  I have read about customized search results based on preferences that might be totally transparent to internet users. I have even been in chat where people looked up the same thing in a search engine and got different results.


I usually err on the side of providing too much explanation in my efforts to be helpful. I try to avoid assuming that people have the same background knowledge and/or experiences that I have, etc.  That's why I looked up the link I was familiar with, verified that there was an indeed an explanation of patchcords that used SLOOP, posted the link, and gave relevant background.


But that's me.

Steve











Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by smw-mail@...

snarky?   Let me look that up.

"Snarky was popular in England for most of the 20th century but didn't come across the pond until the 1990s. It first meant irritable or cranky, but it has come to mean sarcastic and cynical, generally describing the type of humor you hear on late-night television and from teenagers.

It's thought to have derived from that snort of derision you might make when you're being, well, snarky, says The Word Detective."


Hmmmmm. (1) If that's what you meant by snarky and (2) if that's how you perceived my reply, your reply to me makes sense.  You perceived something that wasn't there.  But having taken my request for clarification in that way, your subsequent replies make sense. 


In my last reply I started to write that what seemed to me to be a sarcastic and snooty tone on your part led me to believe that you misinterpreted what I wrote. I started to apologize if it seemed like I was making a personal attack, because I wasn't. I decided that was a bit presumptuous of me, so I erased what I had started to say.


Let me be clear: I had no idea what you meant by snarky.  I never use that word. (Well, never until today!!!) So I looked it up.  You can call me pedantic or perhaps scholarly or maybe even overly wordy, but snarky connotes an attitude that I didn't have when I asked you to clarify what VSE meant.


Are you British?  That might help explain the miscommunication.


Steve

PS: I would recommend the link I posted from gearslutz. It has some excellent material on the creative uses of E-Mu's virtual patchcords which are in my opinion well presented. I would consider him an expert on those kinds of things. That's why I went the distance, looked up the link, and posted it.

In the past we had discussions about patchcords and sound design here. A number of the early ones have been presented in the FAQs/Tips. Also, there used to be a Yahoo Group--IBGeek--or something like that which had discussions about tricks with the virtual patchcords.

Personally, the flexibility of the virtual patchcords is one of the most rewarding aspects of the P2K Synth Engine. But that's just me. 

PPS: "I err on the side of expecting someone to have a modicum of ability to do further research on a topic by themselves and not having to be spoonfed information." Let me be clear, I understand this and many of your other statements were intended to be mocking, sarcastic, and insulting. That's fine. It's who you are. 

And if that statement were true, you would not have added a comment about his having a presence on "VSE." Maybe you thought I shouldn't have provided the link to Balma's gearslutz thread because you thought I was spoonfeeding information rather than just letting the person who raised the question about the use of SLOOP to do his own research.

In case its not clear, I try to provide what I hope is helpful information for people in their quest for understanding. I don't always succeed.




 

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by Matt

Hi all,
Can we take the argument off list?
Thanks,
Matt

On Jul 28, 2015 8:21 PM, "smw-mail@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

snarky?   Let me look that up.

"Snarky was popular in England for most of the 20th century but didn't come across the pond until the 1990s. It first meant irritable or cranky, but it has come to mean sarcastic and cynical, generally describing the type of humor you hear on late-night television and from teenagers.

It's thought to have derived from that snort of derision you might make when you're being, well, snarky, says The Word Detective."


Hmmmmm. (1) If that's what you meant by snarky and (2) if that's how you perceived my reply, your reply to me makes sense.  You perceived something that wasn't there.  But having taken my request for clarification in that way, your subsequent replies make sense. 


In my last reply I started to write that what seemed to me to be a sarcastic and snooty tone on your part led me to believe that you misinterpreted what I wrote. I started to apologize if it seemed like I was making a personal attack, because I wasn't. I decided that was a bit presumptuous of me, so I erased what I had started to say.


Let me be clear: I had no idea what you meant by snarky.  I never use that word. (Well, never until today!!!) So I looked it up.  You can call me pedantic or perhaps scholarly or maybe even overly wordy, but snarky connotes an attitude that I didn't have when I asked you to clarify what VSE meant.


Are you British?  That might help explain the miscommunication.


Steve

PS: I would recommend the link I posted from gearslutz. It has some excellent material on the creative uses of E-Mu9;s virtual patchcords which are in my opinion well presented. I would consider him an expert on those kinds of things. That's why I went the distance, looked up the link, and posted it.

In the past we had discussions about patchcords and sound design here. A number of the early ones have been presented in the FAQs/Tips. Also, there used to be a Yahoo Group--IBGeek--or something like that which had discussions about tricks with the virtual patchcords.

Personally, the flexibility of the virtual patchcords is one of the most rewarding aspects of the P2K Synth Engine. But that's just me. 

PPS: "I err on the side of expecting someone to have a modicum of ability to do further research on a topic by themselves and not having to be spoonfed information." Let me be clear, I understand this and many of your other statements were intended to be mocking, sarcastic, and insulting. That's fine. It's who you are. 

And if that statement were true, you would not have added a comment about his having a presence on "VSE." Maybe you thought I shouldn't have provided the link to Balma's gearslutz thread because you thought I was spoonfeeding information rather than just letting the person who raised the question about the use of SLOOP to do his own research.

In case its not clear, I try to provide what I hope is helpful information for people in their quest for understanding. I don't always succeed.




 

Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by Jon K. Carroll

You know, I had dropped this hours ago, when it looked like it was going to resort to personal attacks. But instead, Mr. Tweedle, I’ll� simply point out how ridiculous your ‘confidentiality notice’ is on a yahoo group where your ‘confidential email’ was posted on a public web site. Have a nice day!
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs
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Jon K. Carroll,
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You are not only arrogant and gratuitously rude ... you ass-idiously continue to prove it.
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DF Tweedie
 
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From: "'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@infinite-elements.com [xl7]"
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs
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All I said was that Balma was a frequent contributor on VSE as well. That was exactly what I said. And when you seemed unable to find VSE by yourself, I said that searching for “VSE Balma” would mysteeeeeriously lead you to the website you couldn’t find and were trying desperately to be snarky about your inability to find. I didn’t say that he had written an encyclopedic tome on the programming of the P2k engine there, just that he was a regular contributor.
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I err on the side of expecting someone to have a modicum of ability to do further research on a topic by themselves and not having to be spoonfed information.
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On second thought, don’t go to VSE. Your attitude that we should to all the work for you... well, I guess you’d need me to cite specific examples of what exactly would happen, because you have to ability to extrapolate when given a bit of information to start from.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs
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Just for the fun of it, I took your suggestion and did an internet search for VSE and Balma.�; In the first 10 pages there was only one possibly relevant link:
Most popular synth between VSE members?? - Vintage...
Most popular synth between VSE members?? by balma » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:20 pm . just wondering wich is the emblematic synth for this forum.
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I did not go past 10 search engine pages of results, but I will take you at your word that IN YOUR BROWSER there may have been a whole bunch more--and maybe even ones more recent that 2010. I have read some articles about how search engines work--or don't work, depending on your perspective.  I have read about customized search results based on preferences that might be totally transparent to internet users. I have even been in chat where people looked up the same thing in a search engine and got different results.
 
I usually err on the side of providing too much explanation in my efforts to be helpful. I try to avoid assuming that people have the same background knowledge and/or experiences that I have, etc.� That's why I looked up the link I was familiar with, verified that there was an indeed an explanation of patchcords that used SLOOP, posted the link, and gave relevant background.
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But that's me.

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RE: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by Matt

Hi all,
Please stop arguing in my inbox
Thanks
Matt

On Jul 29, 2015 5:43 AM, "Andrew Mansfield Alan_mansfield@hotmail.com [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

This is why we can't have nice things.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:19:56 -0700
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs



You know, I had dropped this hours ago, when it looked like it was going to resort to personal attacks. But instead, Mr. Tweedle, I’ll  simply point out how ridiculous your ‘confidentiality notice’ is on a yahoo group where your ‘confidential email’ was posted on a public web site. Have a nice day!
 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs
 
 
Jon K. Carroll,
 
You are not only arrogant and gratuitously rude ... you ass-idiously continue to prove it.
 
DF Tweedie
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.

From: "'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@... [xl7]" <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs
 
 
All I said was that Balma was a frequent contributor on VSE as well. That was exactly what I said. And when you seemed unable to find VSE by yourself, I said that searching for “VSE Balma” would mysteeeeeriously lead you to the website you couldn’t find and were trying desperately to be snarky about your inability to find. I didn’t say that he had written an encyclopedic tome on the programming of the P2k engine there, just that he was a regular contributor.
 
I err on the side of expecting someone to have a modicum of ability to do further research on a topic by themselves and not having to be spoonfed information.
 
On second thought, don’t go to VSE. Your attitude that we should to all the work for you... well, I guess you’d need me to cite specific examples of what exactly would happen, because you have to ability to extrapolate when given a bit of information to start from.
 


Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs
 
 
Just for the fun of it, I took your suggestion and did an internet search for VSE and Balma.  In the first 10 pages there was only one possibly relevant link:
Most popular synth between VSE members?? - Vintage...
Most popular synth between VSE members?? by balma » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:20 pm . just wondering wich is the emblematic synth for this forum.
 
I did not go past 10 search engine pages of results, but I will take you at your word that IN YOUR BROWSER there may have been a whole bunch more--and maybe even ones more recent that 2010. I have read some articles about how search engines work--or don't work, depending on your perspective.  I have read about customized search results based on preferences that might be totally transparent to internet users. I have even been in chat where people looked up the same thing in a search engine and got different results.
 
I usually err on the side of providing too much explanation in my efforts to be helpful. I try to avoid assuming that people have the same background knowledge and/or experiences that I have, etc.  That's why I looked up the link I was familiar with, verified that there was an indeed an explanation of patchcords that used SLOOP, posted the link, and gave relevant background.
 
But that's me.

Steve


 
 


 
 
 
 
 




RE: [xl7] Best - most interesting ROMs

2015-07-29 by smw-mail@...

I suppose its my fault for trying to take the high ground in the face of rudeness and insults. I suppose I should have ignored them. I also should have not tried to get clarification on what VSE was in the first place. (I had no idea it would trigger such a reaction.)

That being said, I did not appreciate the insults.

To be honest, we seem to the have nastiness emerge maybe every three or four years.  In between based on what I have read everyone is pretty respectful in here.

I fully expect it to return to the nice place it is 97% of the time.

Steve

PS: Apologies to all of the good people here who had to suffer through the nastiness.