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2014-01-26 by Scott E. Whitehead

Hello,

A while back Steve had mentioned that he was mostly using the CS as a sound module which at the time sounded to me like crazy talk given how powerful the sequencer is.  Fast forward about a month and I'm right there with you, Steve.  I've been pairing my MP7 with an Elektron sequencer and the combination offers immediate bliss and new opportunities.

Some questions to the list - 

Has anyone slimmed down from the CS to a rack successfully?  It seems like the Proteus 2000 or one of the rack modules offer the basics of the CS with improved portability.  In my case, it would stack up nicely under the Elektron at gigs.  Allowing that I'm only using two outs, can you accurately transfer a patch between the CS where it has been created to a rack module with the same ROM without giving up effects, filters or other features?  Does the rack allow the 'track-16-as-effects-master' configuration like the CS or does one have to go to the 2500 for that?  

Does anyone know if there's a way to reverse sample playback or change the playback speed?  I see start and retrigger...

Any tricks for routing one of the knobs to effects settings like feedback and rate?  I only see send amount under preset patch cords.

I really like the reverbs on the Command Station.  I just found out you can use the Sub outs as inserts and am going to play around with using the CS as the occasional effects box.  Is anyone else doing this?  I don't suppose EMU ever made a dedicated effects box?

I read about knob hold mode in a review of the 2500, I think.  Idea being that since there's no relative mode for the knobs, you can temporarily disable the knob, turn it where you want it and then re-enable it so that there are no jumps in the setting.  Does anyone know if the CS offers such a thing?

Thanks,
Scott

Re: [xl7]

2014-01-26 by Matt

P.s. you can't use onboard effects to process external sounds

On Jan 26, 2014 1:31 PM, "Bruno" <brunorc@...> wrote:
 

2014-01-26 Scott E. Whitehead <scottewhitehead@...>
Some questions to the list - 

Has anyone slimmed down from the CS to a rack successfully?  It seems like the Proteus 2000 or one of the rack modules offer the basics of the CS with improved portability.  In my case, it would stack up nicely under the Elektron at gigs.  
 
Allowing that I'm only using two outs, can you accurately transfer a patch between the CS where it has been created to a rack module with the same ROM without giving up effects, filters or other features?

Yes.

 Does the rack allow the 'track-16-as-effects-master' configuration like the CS?

Yes.

Does anyone know if there's a way to reverse sample playback or change the playback speed?  I see start and retrigger...

No. You could do it in Morpheus & UltraProteus though.


Any tricks for routing one of the knobs to effects settings like feedback and rate?  I only see send amount under preset patch cords.

No. You may use Behringer BCR2000 to send respective SysEx message though.

I read about knob hold mode in a review of the 2500, I think.  Idea being that since there's no relative mode for the knobs, you can temporarily disable the knob, turn it where you want it and then re-enable it so that there are no jumps in the setting.  Does anyone know if the CS offers such a thing?

This feature was already discussed here, but the thread quickly turned into a whislist for CS. Frankly, the P2500 manual doesn't mention this option at all (at least the revision E), could someone who actually owns this box say something about it, since for me it seems the SoS review is the only place where this option was mentioned. If it's true though, I would expect CS to mimic the behaviour of P2500.

The only thing which comes close to it, is setting Local parameter to off, turning the knob to where you think it should be, turning Local on, then moving the knob a bit to have it transmitted the new value, but that's pesky and it won't work for a massive setup change.

HTH,

Bruno

Re: [xl7]

2014-01-27 by Scott E. Whitehead

Thanks, all. I appreciate the insight. I've got a line on a 2000 and a xtreme lead. For my purposes I suppose the hardware on one is better and the Rom on the other is better. Decisions. Anyone got a Beat Garden they want to part with?

On Jan 26, 2014 1:33 PM, "Matt" <somatt@...> wrote:
 

P.s. you can't use onboard effects to process external sounds

On Jan 26, 2014 1:31 PM, "Bruno" <brunorc@...> wrote:
 

2014-01-26 Scott E. Whitehead <scottewhitehead@...>
Some questions to the list - 

Has anyone slimmed down from the CS to a rack successfully?  It seems like the Proteus 2000 or one of the rack modules offer the basics of the CS with improved portability.  In my case, it would stack up nicely under the Elektron at gigs.  
 
Allowing that I'm only using two outs, can you accurately transfer a patch between the CS where it has been created to a rack module with the same ROM without giving up effects, filters or other features?

Yes.

 Does the rack allow the 'track-16-as-effects-master' configuration like the CS?

Yes.

Does anyone know if there's a way to reverse sample playback or change the playback speed?  I see start and retrigger...

No. You could do it in Morpheus & UltraProteus though.


Any tricks for routing one of the knobs to effects settings like feedback and rate?  I only see send amount under preset patch cords.

No. You may use Behringer BCR2000 to send respective SysEx message though.

I read about knob hold mode in a review of the 2500, I think.  Idea being that since there's no relative mode for the knobs, you can temporarily disable the knob, turn it where you want it and then re-enable it so that there are no jumps in the setting.  Does anyone know if the CS offers such a thing?

This feature was already discussed here, but the thread quickly turned into a whislist for CS. Frankly, the P2500 manual doesn't mention this option at all (at least the revision E), could someone who actually owns this box say something about it, since for me it seems the SoS review is the only place where this option was mentioned. If it's true though, I would expect CS to mimic the behaviour of P2500.

The only thing which comes close to it, is setting Local parameter to off, turning the knob to where you think it should be, turning Local on, then moving the knob a bit to have it transmitted the new value, but that's pesky and it won't work for a massive setup change.

HTH,

Bruno

Re: [xl7]

2014-01-28 by steve_the_composer

Quick reply to add a few things; it seems others have supplied most of the answers.

(1) Yes, you can put ROMs in a P2K or an XL-1 (or any of the others), but the big difference is 16 controllers versus 12 controllers. (I know I have written about this extensively; perhaps search 12-controller and 16-controller (unless Yahoo search ignores the hyphen). 

Any patches that use MidiM->MidiP in patchcords will not have those controls. I believe the patch will show up with ???? where you edit the patchcords with unavailable resources.

(2) I may have tested the Knob Hold button once or twice, but I never use it.

If you get a portable, one rack unit module, I'd recommend one that has 32 midi channels--particularly if you want to do stuff with the arpeggiators. 

Steve

Re: [xl7]

2014-01-28 by Bruno

2014-01-28 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
(2) I may have tested the Knob Hold button once or twice, but I never use it.

Wow, so it does exist. How do you engage it, and why I couldn't find it in the manual?

Re: [xl7]

2014-01-28 by Scott E. Whitehead

How about this for a scenario:
Take the ROMs out of the XL1 and the MP7 and put them in the P2k?  (Three slots, right?)  Can one use the MP7 as a controller in line with the external sequencer?  Will it boot empty?  Will the XL1?  Coming from a synth background I didn't get the ROMs at first but the sounds are so full of content and they pitch so well that they've become beautiful oscillators for downstream mangling.
Thanks, team.
Scott


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
 

2014-01-28 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>

(2) I may have tested the Knob Hold button once or twice, but I never use it.

Wow, so it does exist. How do you engage it, and why I couldn't find it in the manual?




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Re: [xl7] P2500: Knob Hold button: what it does.

2014-01-28 by steve_the_composer

On the P2500, the Knob Hold button is below knob 13/M, just to the left of the Glide button. According to the XL-7 manual, that button is labelled Touchstrip Hold.  Since the P2500 is a rack mount unit it doesn't have a touch strip.

I just played around with it and here's what I can tell you:

Its a latched toggle: press once, its on; press again, it's off.

When its on, (from what I can see with my limited testing) it seems to disengage the 4x4 CC knob array (MidiA -> MidiP in Quick Edit Mode, etc.) from sending real-time knob changes to the current patch being played.

When its on, you cannot toggle) the 4x4 knob modes (Quick Edit -> Program -> Volume -> Pan).

When its off, the value of the knobs that you tweaked with it on are the values the knobs will start at.

Here's a simple example:

1. Dial up a preset. 
I used XROM's bts:Magic Air triggered by the Audition Button.
MidiA/knob 1 was at 100%.

2. Turn Knob Hold on.

3. Turn MidiA/knob 1 to 0%.
As I said, there is no real time change in the sound. 

4. Turn Knob Hold off.

5. Turn MidiA/knob 1 up just a little.
Whatever you have set up to be controlled by MidiA/knob 1 starts at 0% and moves up just a little.

In short, it seems to be a way that you can tweak the position of your 4x4 knobs to set it up for new starting points.

Don't ask me for practical examples of what you can use that for. Maybe I will be inspired to try some things later on, but that's all I know for now.

Steve 

 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> 2014-01-28 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
> 
> > (2) I may have tested the Knob Hold button once or twice, but I never use
> > it.
> >
> 
> Wow, so it does exist. How do you engage it, and why I couldn't find it in
> the manual?
>

Re: P2500: Knob Hold button: what it does.

2014-01-29 by steve_the_composer

In the P2500 manual (Rev E.), its described on page 42, but they call it Knob Bypass:  
"When this button is pressed and its LED illuminated, the front panel knobs are disabled. This unusual feature allows you to pre-set the knobs to a certain position in preparation for a performance effect such as a pitch or filter sweep. Without this feature, the knob might be in a inappropriate position and suddenly jump to the current value when the knob is touched, ruining your intended effect." 

P2500 Manual, Rev B, p. 40
P2500 Manual, Rev C, p. 42

Re: [xl7] P2500: Knob Hold button: what it does.

2014-01-29 by Bruno

So it does NOT do, what was assumed. It just disengages knobs, but what's most important, it doesn't send the values upon leaving the Hold mode. Almost the same effect one can achieve on Command Station by setting Local -> off, setting the knobs, Local -> on, and then start tweaking.

I wonder if I tried Tap + Hold combo on my CS, since Tap is a known modifier for buttons...


2014-01-28 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
On the P2500, the Knob Hold button is below knob 13/M, just to the left of the Glide button. According to the XL-7 manual, that button is labelled Touchstrip Hold.  Since the P2500 is a rack mount unit it doesn't have a touch strip.

I just played around with it and here's what I can tell you:

Its a latched toggle: press once, its on; press again, it's off.

When its on, (from what I can see with my limited testing) it seems to disengage the 4x4 CC knob array (MidiA -> MidiP in Quick Edit Mode, etc.) from sending real-time knob changes to the current patch being played.

When its on, you cannot toggle) the 4x4 knob modes (Quick Edit -> Program -> Volume -> Pan).

When its off, the value of the knobs that you tweaked with it on are the values the knobs will start at.

Here's a simple example:

1. Dial up a preset.
I used XROM's bts:Magic Air triggered by the Audition Button.
MidiA/knob 1 was at 100%.

2. Turn Knob Hold on.

3. Turn MidiA/knob 1 to 0%.
As I said, there is no real time change in the sound.

4. Turn Knob Hold off.

5. Turn MidiA/knob 1 up just a little.
Whatever you have set up to be controlled by MidiA/knob 1 starts at 0% and moves up just a little.

In short, it seems to be a way that you can tweak the position of your 4x4 knobs to set it up for new starting points.

Don't ask me for practical examples of what you can use that for. Maybe I will be inspired to try some things later on, but that's all I know for now.

Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> 2014-01-28 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
>
> > (2) I may have tested the Knob Hold button once or twice, but I never use
> > it.
> >
>
> Wow, so it does exist. How do you engage it, and why I couldn't find it in
> the manual?
>




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Re: [xl7] P2500: Knob Hold button: what it does.

2014-01-30 by |>/\|\|

What the hold button does is pretty simple. As noted it is for the touchstrip on the command station modules. Think of it as a pitch wheel. when you move the wheel its spring causes the value to jump back to zero when you're no longer touching it. same thing with the touch strip. if you press it it goes to a value, when you remove your finger it goes back to zero. having 'knob hold' on makes the touch strip retain and stay on whatever value was last pressed.. so you don't need to keep your finger constantly held down on it.
i've never used the feature with the P2500 (i have an XL7) but by default the touchstrip controls pitch wheel modulation in most patches so I assume that is what is happening with the P2500 as well.