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2013-10-09 by <ricard2010@...>

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Re: [xl7] Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-10-10 by Matt

What os version are u on?

On Oct 9, 2013 4:06 PM, <ricard2010@...> wrote:

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Lately I have been starting to use the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can trigger patterns from the 1-16 buttons. This mode seems to be slightly buggy in various ways. Anyone else notice the following:

- Occasionally when switching to a new pattern, then switching to track mode, a track LED will not light up for a track, even though the track is actually playing.

- More seldom will the LED light up, but the track won't actually play. Attempting to press the track button in order to try and toggle the track on causes the LED to come on and go out as usual, but the track still doesn't play. Only after selecting another pattern and then back again does the track play again.

- Sometimes the machine seems to get in a mode where the track selections are from the last time the pattern was selected, not the selection stored in the pattern. This one is really annoying, as once the machine gets into this mode I'm not sure how to get out of it. Once I had success changing patterns "normally", i.e. using the wheel, but I'm not sure if that's a sure-fire workaround or it just happened to work that time.

Anyone else have problems with the above, and did you find a workaround or some way to get it working properly?

RE: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-10-10 by <ricard2010@...>

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Re: [xl7] RE: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-10-10 by Bruno

Thank you for bringing up an interesting tool, hopefully not so buggy - I have to try it soon, and I will share the results. If it does what it promises... wow, that would be something!

BTW: I think this topic was already raised, but being damn lazy I will just ask - is there any way to switch the pattern being played without waiting for the end of the pattern? Any secret TAP combo?

Also, noticed that E-mu synths (PK-6 for instance) also have the "Trigger Note" functionality, which makes the arpeggiator even more useful...

Re: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-10-18 by steve_the_composer

Are you talking about arp trigger mode or track mute/unmute mode?

If arp trigger mode, I'd check the trigger settings--the light coming on and then going out seems more like the trigger is in unlatched mode.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@...> wrote:

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>
> Lately I have been starting to use the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can trigger patterns from the 1-16 buttons. This mode seems to be slightly buggy in various ways. Anyone else notice the following:
> 
> - Occasionally when switching to a new pattern, then switching to track mode, a track LED will not light up for a track, even though the track is actually playing.
> 
> - More seldom will the LED light up, but the track won't actually play. Attempting to press the track button in order to try and toggle the track on causes the LED to come on and go out as usual, but the track still doesn't play. Only after selecting another pattern and then back again does the track play again.
> 
> - Sometimes the machine seems to get in a mode where the track selections are from the last time the pattern was selected, not the selection stored in the pattern. This one is really annoying, as once the machine gets into this mode I'm not sure how to get out of it. Once I had success changing patterns "normally", i.e. using the wheel, but I'm not sure if that's a sure-fire workaround or it just happened to work that time.
> 
> Anyone else have problems with the above, and did you find a workaround or some way to get it working properly?
>

Re: [xl7] RE: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-10-18 by Bruno

Nothing better than self-response:

2013/10/10 Bruno <brunorc@...>

BTW: I think this topic was already raised, but being damn lazy I will just ask - is there any way to switch the pattern being played without waiting for the end of the pattern? Any secret TAP combo?

There is. Change the pattern, then press STOP while having PLAY pressed. Command Station won't care about timing, so you have to care.

Bruno

Re: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-10-18 by steve_the_composer

If you are talking about pattern select mode, maybe this will help:

"You can select one of 16 patterns using the Trigger buttons. Pressing one of the trigger buttons in pattern select mode causes the programmed pattern to be armed. The armed trigger button LED will flash. The armed pattern will begin playing at the next loop. The trigger button LED will be solidly illuminated while the selected pattern is playing. This feature can be put to good use in combination with the "Restart Pattern Fire Key" described on page 57."

XL-7 Manual, Rev G, real page 141, pdf page 153

"Holding PLAY and tapping STOP will instantly RTZ (Return-To-Zero) and
continue playing. The stop key may be pressed many times while holding
the play key to get a "stutter" sequencing effect. This also serves the purpose of instantly starting a new sequence if one is queued.
There can be a slight delay when restarting dense sequences, as there is no time to pre-queue the initial events. Simpler patterns will restart faster as there is less "pre-sequence" information to load."

XL-7 Manual, Rev G, real page 57, pdf page 69

If the RTZ is delayed by pre-sequence info, you might be able to edit that info out with an external midi file editor. The pre-sequence info is data--such as program/patch change info for each of the channels used in the pattern--that can be found at the beginning of the exported smf. Its been years, but I believe its all contained in as sysex data similar to the data found in a multisetup. When the transport is stopped and you dial up a new pattern, that data gets loaded and sent.

I believe in song mode you can choose to use parameters only from the first pattern played (as opposed to having the settings change with each new pattern), but I am not sure about what happens in pattern mode when you select a new pattern.

Hope this helps.

Steve

RE: Re: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-11-11 by <ricard2010@...>

Neither, it's the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can select predefined pattern numbers using the track buttons. It's much faster than trying to hit the right pattern no with the wheel and pressing enter.

---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <smw-mail@...> wrote:

Are you talking about arp trigger mode or track mute/unmute mode?

If arp trigger mode, I'd check the trigger settings--the light coming on and then going out seems more like the trigger is in unlatched mode.

Steve

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@...> wrote:
>
> Lately I have been starting to use the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can trigger patterns from the 1-16 buttons. This mode seems to be slightly buggy in various ways. Anyone else notice the following:
>
> - Occasionally when switching to a new pattern, then switching to track mode, a track LED will not light up for a track, even though the track is actually playing.
>
> - More seldom will the LED light up, but the track won't actually play. Attempting to press the track button in order to try and toggle the track on causes the LED to come on and go out as usual, but the track still doesn't play. Only after selecting another pattern and then back again does the track play again.
>
> - Sometimes the machine seems to get in a mode where the track selections are from the last time the pattern was selected, not the selection stored in the pattern. This one is really annoying, as once the machine gets into this mode I'm not sure how to get out of it. Once I had success changing patterns "normally", i.e. using the wheel, but I'm not sure if that's a sure-fire workaround or it just happened to work that time.
>
> Anyone else have problems with the above, and did you find a workaround or some way to get it working properly?
>

RE: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-11-11 by <ricard2010@...>

To clarify, it's not arp trigger, it's triggering ordinary patterns, or rather selecting them as the next pattern (the pattern doesn't change immediately when the buttons are pressed, rather it is queued as the next pattern, just as when selecting a new one using the wheel and pressing enter to confirm).

---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@...> wrote:

---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <smw-mail@...> wrote:

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@...> wrote:
>
> Lately I have been starting to use the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can trigger patterns from the 1-16 buttons. This mode seems to be slightly buggy in various ways. Anyone else notice the following:
>
> - Occasionally when switching to a new pattern, then switching to track mode, a track LED will not light up for a track, even though the track is actually playing.
>
> - More seldom will the LED light up, but the track won't actually play. Attempting to press the track button in order to try and toggle the track on causes the LED to come on and go out as usual, but the track still doesn't play. Only after selecting another pattern and then back again does the track play again.
>
> - Sometimes the machine seems to get in a mode where the track selections are from the last time the pattern was selected, not the selection stored in the pattern. This one is really annoying, as once the machine gets into this mode I'm not sure how to get out of it. Once I had success changing patterns "normally", i.e. using the wheel, but I'm not sure if that's a sure-fire workaround or it just happened to work that time.
>
> Anyone else have problems with the above, and did you find a workaround or some way to get it working properly?
>

Re: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-11-13 by steve_the_composer

I will assume that a later reply didn't resolve the issue:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/23430

Also, I will assume you are not using XMIX when doing this.

I haven't use pattern trigger mode in a while and would have to find some time to try to replicate what you have done to see if I get the same results.

Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@...> wrote:

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>
> To clarify, it's not arp trigger, it's triggering ordinary patterns, or rather selecting them as the next pattern (the pattern doesn't change immediately when the buttons are pressed, rather it is queued as the next pattern, just as when selecting a new one using the wheel and pressing enter to confirm). 
> 
> ---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@> wrote:
> 
>  Neither, it's the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can select predefined pattern numbers using the track buttons. It's much faster than trying to hit the right pattern no with the wheel and pressing enter.
> 
>  
> 
> ---In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <smw-mail@> wrote:
> 
>  Are you talking about arp trigger mode or track mute/unmute mode?
>  
>  If arp trigger mode, I'd check the trigger settings--the light coming on and then going out seems more like the trigger is in unlatched mode.
>  
>  Steve
>  
>  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com, <ricard2010@> wrote:
>  >
>  > Lately I have been starting to use the pattern trigger mode, whereby you can trigger patterns from the 1-16 buttons. This mode seems to be slightly buggy in various ways. Anyone else notice the following:
>  > 
>  > - Occasionally when switching to a new pattern, then switching to track mode, a track LED will not light up for a track, even though the track is actually playing.
>  > 
>  > - More seldom will the LED light up, but the track won't actually play. Attempting to press the track button in order to try and toggle the track on causes the LED to come on and go out as usual, but the track still doesn't play. Only after selecting another pattern and then back again does the track play again.
>  > 
>  > - Sometimes the machine seems to get in a mode where the track selections are from the last time the pattern was selected, not the selection stored in the pattern. This one is really annoying, as once the machine gets into this mode I'm not sure how to get out of it. Once I had success changing patterns "normally", i.e. using the wheel, but I'm not sure if that's a sure-fire workaround or it just happened to work that time.
>  > 
>  > Anyone else have problems with the above, and did you find a workaround or some way to get it working properly?
>  >
>

RE: Problems in pattern trigger mode

2013-12-13 by <ricard2010@...>

No I was not using XMIX when this happened.

I haven't tried removing any pre-sequence info from the pattern to see if that makes a difference. When changing patterns though, I've given the machine lots of time to load the new pattern, i.e. I've pressed the relevant button long before the end of the pattern. It could still be that something is getting confused when loading the pre-sequence info, but at least it's not because the machine barely has time to do it because I tried to switch patterns too near the end of the previous pattern.

/Ricard