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Another night with manual and problem was located.
XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
It works with Ext timing clock only ((((( 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> Have you checked if MIDI -> External Song Start/Stop is set to "accepted"?
> 
> (Manual Rev. G, page 165)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 
> 2013/6/11 shadammmm <shadammmm@...>
> 
> > Hello CS adepts!
> > I'm sending SPP messages from MidiOx to XL-7 and I can't get any response
> > from it. Sequencer in XL-7 was stopped.
> > Analogical operation works in my Roland MC 307 without problem.
> > Thanks for any advice.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

This is interesting. Clearly the midi implementation chart says SPP is transmitted and recognized, but is only received when synced to midi contact. I don't recall having done anything with SPP and my P2500, but now I am wondering how this might be useful other than slaving it to a DAW.  Any ideas?

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@...> wrote:
>
> Another night with manual and problem was located.
> XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
> It works with Ext timing clock only (((((

I was trying to sync XL with MIDIOX yesterday.
Sequencer of XL was in stop mode and it was receiving EXT midi clock.
MIDI clock timing was transmitting from MIDIOX. 
XL was receiving SPP, "Continue", "Stop" commands and worked with much glitches and drops in playback.
Same tasks Roland MC performed without any problem.
Is it because weak XL processor?
Can anyone force it work correctly?

*sorry for my poor eeenglish*


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> Not yet, but will keep you updated ;)
> 
> 
> 2013/6/12 Matt <somatt@...>
> 
> >
> >
> > Have u done this before with success?
> > On Jun 12, 2013 4:41 AM, "Bruno" <brunorc@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> I think it can be even done with any configurable MIDI controller (e.g.
> >> BCR 2000). Different buttons sending different SPPs should allow for
> >> slicing the pattern. This can be also funny while playing with BEATS mode :D
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
> >>
> >>> Hmmmmm. I see potential here--as you say, depending on how the CS reacts
> >>> to SPP [i.e., are there any timing glitches or is timing totally fluid].
> >>>  If I ever make the time to work on the arduino controller, this might be
> >>> cool to test--an array of buttons to send SPP!!!
> >>>
> >>> Now where was that thread about trying to make a stutter preset? How
> >>> about SPP-based stutter!!! Where's my sysex manual?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Depending on how CS reacts on SPP while playing a pattern, this can be
> >>> > quite interesting - far more flexible than Temporary Bar Region.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> >>> >
> >>> > > This is interesting. Clearly the midi implementation chart says SPP
> >>> is
> >>> > > transmitted and recognized, but is only received when synced to midi
> >>> > > contact. I don't recall having done anything with SPP and my P2500,
> >>> but now
> >>> > > I am wondering how this might be useful other than slaving it to a
> >>> DAW.
> >>> > >  Any ideas?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Steve
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Another night with manual and problem was located.
> >>> > > > XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
> >>> > > > It works with Ext timing clock only (((((
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ------------------------------------
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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By the way.
SPP commands transmitted in XL was very different.
I was trying to switch playback of various bars on the fly.
Is it impossible beacause XL architecture?
	


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@...> wrote:
>
> I was trying to sync XL with MIDIOX yesterday.
> Sequencer of XL was in stop mode and it was receiving EXT midi clock.
> MIDI clock timing was transmitting from MIDIOX. 
> XL was receiving SPP, "Continue", "Stop" commands and worked with much glitches and drops in playback.
> Same tasks Roland MC performed without any problem.
> Is it because weak XL processor?
> Can anyone force it work correctly?
> 
> *sorry for my poor eeenglish*
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> >
> > Not yet, but will keep you updated ;)
> > 
> > 
> > 2013/6/12 Matt <somatt@>
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Have u done this before with success?
> > > On Jun 12, 2013 4:41 AM, "Bruno" <brunorc@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I think it can be even done with any configurable MIDI controller (e.g.
> > >> BCR 2000). Different buttons sending different SPPs should allow for
> > >> slicing the pattern. This can be also funny while playing with BEATS mode :D
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > >>
> > >>> Hmmmmm. I see potential here--as you say, depending on how the CS reacts
> > >>> to SPP [i.e., are there any timing glitches or is timing totally fluid].
> > >>>  If I ever make the time to work on the arduino controller, this might be
> > >>> cool to test--an array of buttons to send SPP!!!
> > >>>
> > >>> Now where was that thread about trying to make a stutter preset? How
> > >>> about SPP-based stutter!!! Where's my sysex manual?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Depending on how CS reacts on SPP while playing a pattern, this can be
> > >>> > quite interesting - far more flexible than Temporary Bar Region.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > This is interesting. Clearly the midi implementation chart says SPP
> > >>> is
> > >>> > > transmitted and recognized, but is only received when synced to midi
> > >>> > > contact. I don't recall having done anything with SPP and my P2500,
> > >>> but now
> > >>> > > I am wondering how this might be useful other than slaving it to a
> > >>> DAW.
> > >>> > >  Any ideas?
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Steve
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > Another night with manual and problem was located.
> > >>> > > > XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
> > >>> > > > It works with Ext timing clock only (((((
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > ------------------------------------
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

I have a question for you or anyone else who has done SPP tricks on a Command Station or P2500. I just assumed SPP only worked in Song Mode, not Pattern Mode. Is this correct? Thanks.
Steve

  

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@...> wrote:
>
> By the way.
> SPP commands transmitted in XL was very different.
> I was trying to switch playback of various bars on the fly.
> Is it impossible beacause XL architecture?
> 	
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> >
> > I was trying to sync XL with MIDIOX yesterday.
> > Sequencer of XL was in stop mode and it was receiving EXT midi clock.
> > MIDI clock timing was transmitting from MIDIOX. 
> > XL was receiving SPP, "Continue", "Stop" commands and worked with much glitches and drops in playback.
> > Same tasks Roland MC performed without any problem.
> > Is it because weak XL processor?
> > Can anyone force it work correctly?
> > 
> > *sorry for my poor eeenglish*
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not yet, but will keep you updated ;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2013/6/12 Matt <somatt@>
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have u done this before with success?
> > > > On Jun 12, 2013 4:41 AM, "Bruno" <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> **
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I think it can be even done with any configurable MIDI controller (e.g.
> > > >> BCR 2000). Different buttons sending different SPPs should allow for
> > > >> slicing the pattern. This can be also funny while playing with BEATS mode :D
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hmmmmm. I see potential here--as you say, depending on how the CS reacts
> > > >>> to SPP [i.e., are there any timing glitches or is timing totally fluid].
> > > >>>  If I ever make the time to work on the arduino controller, this might be
> > > >>> cool to test--an array of buttons to send SPP!!!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now where was that thread about trying to make a stutter preset? How
> > > >>> about SPP-based stutter!!! Where's my sysex manual?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Depending on how CS reacts on SPP while playing a pattern, this can be
> > > >>> > quite interesting - far more flexible than Temporary Bar Region.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > This is interesting. Clearly the midi implementation chart says SPP
> > > >>> is
> > > >>> > > transmitted and recognized, but is only received when synced to midi
> > > >>> > > contact. I don't recall having done anything with SPP and my P2500,
> > > >>> but now
> > > >>> > > I am wondering how this might be useful other than slaving it to a
> > > >>> DAW.
> > > >>> > >  Any ideas?
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Steve
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Another night with manual and problem was located.
> > > >>> > > > XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
> > > >>> > > > It works with Ext timing clock only (((((
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

CS equally bad works with SPP in both Song and Pattern modes.
At least I can't force my XL jump on different bars immediately.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> I have a question for you or anyone else who has done SPP tricks on a Command Station or P2500. I just assumed SPP only worked in Song Mode, not Pattern Mode. Is this correct? Thanks.
> Steve
> 
>   
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> >
> > By the way.
> > SPP commands transmitted in XL was very different.
> > I was trying to switch playback of various bars on the fly.
> > Is it impossible beacause XL architecture?
> > 	
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to sync XL with MIDIOX yesterday.
> > > Sequencer of XL was in stop mode and it was receiving EXT midi clock.
> > > MIDI clock timing was transmitting from MIDIOX. 
> > > XL was receiving SPP, "Continue", "Stop" commands and worked with much glitches and drops in playback.
> > > Same tasks Roland MC performed without any problem.
> > > Is it because weak XL processor?
> > > Can anyone force it work correctly?
> > > 
> > > *sorry for my poor eeenglish*
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not yet, but will keep you updated ;)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 2013/6/12 Matt <somatt@>
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have u done this before with success?
> > > > > On Jun 12, 2013 4:41 AM, "Bruno" <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> **
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think it can be even done with any configurable MIDI controller (e.g.
> > > > >> BCR 2000). Different buttons sending different SPPs should allow for
> > > > >> slicing the pattern. This can be also funny while playing with BEATS mode :D
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hmmmmm. I see potential here--as you say, depending on how the CS reacts
> > > > >>> to SPP [i.e., are there any timing glitches or is timing totally fluid].
> > > > >>>  If I ever make the time to work on the arduino controller, this might be
> > > > >>> cool to test--an array of buttons to send SPP!!!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Now where was that thread about trying to make a stutter preset? How
> > > > >>> about SPP-based stutter!!! Where's my sysex manual?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Depending on how CS reacts on SPP while playing a pattern, this can be
> > > > >>> > quite interesting - far more flexible than Temporary Bar Region.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > This is interesting. Clearly the midi implementation chart says SPP
> > > > >>> is
> > > > >>> > > transmitted and recognized, but is only received when synced to midi
> > > > >>> > > contact. I don't recall having done anything with SPP and my P2500,
> > > > >>> but now
> > > > >>> > > I am wondering how this might be useful other than slaving it to a
> > > > >>> DAW.
> > > > >>> > >  Any ideas?
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > Steve
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > > > >>> > > >
> > > > >>> > > > Another night with manual and problem was located.
> > > > >>> > > > XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
> > > > >>> > > > It works with Ext timing clock only (((((
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Thanks for the reply.  Sounds like I won't be testing it, then.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@...> wrote:
>
> CS equally bad works with SPP in both Song and Pattern modes.
> At least I can't force my XL jump on different bars immediately.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > I have a question for you or anyone else who has done SPP tricks on a Command Station or P2500. I just assumed SPP only worked in Song Mode, not Pattern Mode. Is this correct? Thanks.
> > Steve
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > By the way.
> > > SPP commands transmitted in XL was very different.
> > > I was trying to switch playback of various bars on the fly.
> > > Is it impossible beacause XL architecture?
> > > 	
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to sync XL with MIDIOX yesterday.
> > > > Sequencer of XL was in stop mode and it was receiving EXT midi clock.
> > > > MIDI clock timing was transmitting from MIDIOX. 
> > > > XL was receiving SPP, "Continue", "Stop" commands and worked with much glitches and drops in playback.
> > > > Same tasks Roland MC performed without any problem.
> > > > Is it because weak XL processor?
> > > > Can anyone force it work correctly?
> > > > 
> > > > *sorry for my poor eeenglish*
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Not yet, but will keep you updated ;)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2013/6/12 Matt <somatt@>
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have u done this before with success?
> > > > > > On Jun 12, 2013 4:41 AM, "Bruno" <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> **
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think it can be even done with any configurable MIDI controller (e.g.
> > > > > >> BCR 2000). Different buttons sending different SPPs should allow for
> > > > > >> slicing the pattern. This can be also funny while playing with BEATS mode :D
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Hmmmmm. I see potential here--as you say, depending on how the CS reacts
> > > > > >>> to SPP [i.e., are there any timing glitches or is timing totally fluid].
> > > > > >>>  If I ever make the time to work on the arduino controller, this might be
> > > > > >>> cool to test--an array of buttons to send SPP!!!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Now where was that thread about trying to make a stutter preset? How
> > > > > >>> about SPP-based stutter!!! Where's my sysex manual?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Depending on how CS reacts on SPP while playing a pattern, this can be
> > > > > >>> > quite interesting - far more flexible than Temporary Bar Region.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > 2013/6/12 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > > This is interesting. Clearly the midi implementation chart says SPP
> > > > > >>> is
> > > > > >>> > > transmitted and recognized, but is only received when synced to midi
> > > > > >>> > > contact. I don't recall having done anything with SPP and my P2500,
> > > > > >>> but now
> > > > > >>> > > I am wondering how this might be useful other than slaving it to a
> > > > > >>> DAW.
> > > > > >>> > >  Any ideas?
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > Steve
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "shadammmm" <shadammmm@> wrote:
> > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > >>> > > > Another night with manual and problem was located.
> > > > > >>> > > > XL can't receive SPP messages in non slaved mode.
> > > > > >>> > > > It works with Ext timing clock only (((((
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>