MIDI setup. Help needed...
2013-06-08 by nikitsanpsix
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2013-06-08 by nikitsanpsix
I feeling that im doing somesing wrong in my current midi routing. How would you put together a set of tools: E-mu MP7 as main sequencer Novation ReMote SL 49 compact as mici keyboard controller Access Virus Rack Korg KP3 Focusrite scarlett 8i6 as audio/midi interface for MAC computer with Logic 9. For addition i have usb to midi Emu 1x1 Xtab interface. Especialy i need to record midi data from Virus in MP7 sequencer, MAC is only for master audio recording.
2013-06-08 by steve_the_composer
I am not familiar with all those, but I don't recognize anything as a midi router listed there which would be essential to have with that much connected gear. For example, I have an old parallel port MOTU 8x8 midi router. Each I/O port can be filtered and routed using computer software. There is room to store 8 User configurations in addition to 8 factory presets. It might be that one of these is a router and I just don't know that. If you had an E-Mu 2x2 midi interface, a dumb midi thru-box, and one of your pieces of gear had midi I/O through the computer, I think you should be able to get most of what you want done. If you don't have a midi router, it would help to know what gear and software you have with midi I/O so you can use the computer as your midi router. It might be that the midi I/O of some of your gear shows up to the computer as midi devices through their own usb connections. That would give you some additional options. You could plug and unplug midi cables to reconfigure your midi routings, but that is so 1980s. It's much better to use hardware or software to do the cable swapping. I am wondering if you are trying to get a complex set up by daisy chaining gear. Very simply, if you want to record the Virus on to the MP7, I would just connect the midi out of the Virus to the Mp7. If the Virus has a midi thru and the Novation has a midi out, you could route the Novation to the MP7 via the Virus. (Again, I do not know what I/O the Virus has, so I am speaking in terms of possibilities.) Hope this helps. Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" <nikitsan@...> wrote: > > I feeling that im doing somesing wrong in my current midi routing. > > How would you put together a set of tools: > > E-mu MP7 as main sequencer > Novation ReMote SL 49 compact as mici keyboard controller > Access Virus Rack > Korg KP3 > Focusrite scarlett 8i6 as audio/midi interface for MAC computer with Logic 9. > > For addition i have usb to midi Emu 1x1 Xtab interface. > > Especialy i need to record midi data from Virus in MP7 sequencer, MAC is only for master audio recording. >
2013-06-08 by steve_the_composer
Addendum: I tried looking for manuals for some of you gear to see what midi i/o/thru each has. I found lots of info, including synth engine capabilities and videos, but I did not find the midi i/o/thru details. (Possibly I looked at the wrong sites and I gave up too soon.) As best as I can tell, though, you do not have a midi router, though it seems as though you have 1 In and 1 Out on the focusrite and 1 In and 1 Out on the E-Mu 1x1 that might let you use the computer as a router. However, as a PC person, I don't know what midi filtering/routing software you would use. It seems to me that you could have the Virus going to your Mac with 1 Midi In, and your Novation going into the Mac with the other Midi In. If the Novation will pass midi data to the Mac via usb, you could have the KP3 going to the second Midi in of you Mac. So, with appropriate sofware you either have 2 in 2 out or 3 in 2 out routing capability (assuming you have Mac software that will do that). Virus --> Mac via focusrite Novation --> Mac via 1x1 Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite Mac --> KP3 via 1x1 OR (if Novation can send midi to Mac via usb): Novation --> Mac via usb MP7 --> Mac via focusrite Virus --> Mac via 1x1 Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite Mac --> KP3 via 1x1 Would one of these two setups work for you? Also, if the virus rack has a thru, you could daisy chain a module to it. Hope this helps. Steve
2013-06-08 by steve_the_composer
PS: I found a Virus manual. Out of curiosity, why do you want to record midi data from the virus on the MP-7? It seems to me that the Virus is basically a sound module. If so, I would want a controller [or sequencer] going into the the Virus. It makes sense to me that someone might want something like this: Keyboard --> Sound Module X --> Sequencer --> Sound Module X Is that what you are trying to do? If so, maybe you could do that using Midi A going to the MP7 and Midi B going to the KP3 and not have to use the Mac as a router. Novation --> Virus [Out/Thru]--> MP7 [Midi A] --> Virus MP7 [Midi B]--> KP3 Would this setup give you what you want? Steve
2013-06-08 by D F Tweedie
2013-06-08 by D F Tweedie
2013-06-09 by nikitsanpsix
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote: > > Addendum: I tried looking for manuals for some of you gear to see what midi i/o/thru each has. I found lots of info, including synth engine capabilities and videos, but I did not find the midi i/o/thru details. (Possibly I looked at the wrong sites and I gave up too soon.) > > As best as I can tell, though, you do not have a midi router, though it seems as though you have 1 In and 1 Out on the focusrite and 1 In and 1 Out on the E-Mu 1x1 that might let you use the computer as a router. However, as a PC person, I don't know what midi filtering/routing software you would use. > > It seems to me that you could have the Virus going to your Mac with 1 Midi In, and your Novation going into the Mac with the other Midi In. If the Novation will pass midi data to the Mac via usb, you could have the KP3 going to the second Midi in of you Mac. > > So, with appropriate sofware you either have 2 in 2 out or 3 in 2 out routing capability (assuming you have Mac software that will do that). > > > Virus --> Mac via focusrite > Novation --> Mac via 1x1 > > Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite > Mac --> KP3 via 1x1 > > OR (if Novation can send midi to Mac via usb): > > Novation --> Mac via usb > > MP7 --> Mac via focusrite > Virus --> Mac via 1x1 > > Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite > Mac --> KP3 via 1x1 > > Would one of these two setups work for you? > > Also, if the virus rack has a thru, you could daisy chain a module to it. > > Hope this helps. > > Steve > I would like to do computerless true hardware setup. Ñomputer is used only for stereo recording. I dont want to do midi routing in software. And yes Virus have midi thru. As I understand you, I can connect novation via virus midi thru to mp7, But emu have only one midi in and i want record virus into mp7 too. that is my problem. and for kp3, i only need send to it midi clock, i dont need use midi out from it.
2013-06-09 by Bruno
I would like to do computerless true hardware setup. Ñomputer is used only for stereo recording. I dont want to do midi routing in software.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
>
> Addendum: I tried looking for manuals for some of you gear to see what midi i/o/thru each has. I found lots of info, including synth engine capabilities and videos, but I did not find the midi i/o/thru details. (Possibly I looked at the wrong sites and I gave up too soon.)
>
> As best as I can tell, though, you do not have a midi router, though it seems as though you have 1 In and 1 Out on the focusrite and 1 In and 1 Out on the E-Mu 1x1 that might let you use the computer as a router. However, as a PC person, I don't know what midi filtering/routing software you would use.
>
> It seems to me that you could have the Virus going to your Mac with 1 Midi In, and your Novation going into the Mac with the other Midi In. If the Novation will pass midi data to the Mac via usb, you could have the KP3 going to the second Midi in of you Mac.
>
> So, with appropriate sofware you either have 2 in 2 out or 3 in 2 out routing capability (assuming you have Mac software that will do that).
>
>
> Virus --> Mac via focusrite
> Novation -->; Mac via 1x1
>
> Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite
> Mac --> KP3 via 1x1
>
> OR (if Novation can send midi to Mac via usb):
>
> Novation --> Mac via usb
>
> MP7 --> Mac via focusrite
> Virus --> Mac via 1x1
>
> Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite
> Mac --> KP3 via 1x1
>
> Would one of these two setups work for you?
>
> Also, if the virus rack has a thru, you could daisy chain a module to it.
>;
> Hope this helps.
>
> Steve
>
And yes Virus have midi thru.
As I understand you, I can connect novation via virus midi thru to mp7, But emu have only one midi in and i want record virus into mp7 too. that is my problem.
and for kp3, i only need send to it midi clock, i dont need use midi out from it.
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2013-06-09 by steve_the_composer
Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. I assume you want to use Novation midi data to the MP7 and Virus midi data to the MP7 at the same time. Unless the Virus has a parameter that will let you merge the incoming midi data and its own midi data, I can't think of any way to do it with some sort of midi merge device. If it does, that would probably be you easiest option. Since you can sent the MP7 clock out MidiA, MidiB, or both, that part of the routing is solved. Are you handy with building circuits and programming microprocessor boards (e.g., Arduino)? If so, you could build your own midi merger. You cannot just make a midi Y cord. Trust me, it doesn't work with digital data. Long shot: Any chance the Novation has a midi in that will merge the data with its own to a single out/thru? I believe my Roland CF-10 (membrane fader) has a switch to turn merge on an off, but I kinda doubt that today's gear has that. If you would be interested in doing an Arduino-based midi merger, I'd be interested in collaborating on the software. (Its something that I've had on the back burner for a while as part of a larger project.) BTW, something like the parallel port MOTU router/patchbay (e.g., 8x8 Express XT) should work. There's even a factory preset called "Merge All" (also "Merge Some") "so if your battery dies or pops out in transit to a gig and you lose your customized user settings, you'd still be able to merge the midi from the Novation and the Virus to the MP7. (There must be others that will do the trick; I only mention the MOTU because its what I have been using for a couple of decades.) Anyhow, hope this helps. Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" <nikitsan@...> wrote: [snip] > I would like to do computerless true hardware setup. Ñomputer is used only for stereo recording. I dont want to do midi routing in software. > And yes Virus have midi thru. > As I understand you, I can connect novation via virus midi thru to mp7, But emu have only one midi in and i want record virus into mp7 too. that is my problem. > and for kp3, i only need send to it midi clock, i dont need use midi out from it. >
2013-06-09 by steve_the_composer
If they are working, you want to part with them, and nikitsanspix wants one, I might be interested in the other as a backup and to take it on the road for a possible midi clock based jam--sending midi clock to up to 8 other performers. Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote: > You can get the excellent MOTU parallel patch bays dirt cheap these days. They will work stand alone and you can create routing presets. [snip] Sadly, I've two of them gathering dust in my closet from when I went from XP x86 to Win 7 x64. > > DF
2013-06-09 by nikitsanpsix
yes im ok with arduino, even have done one controller with uno. but at first i will try to put novation(out)>virus(thru)>mp7(midiA)>virus>mp7(midiB)>kp3 with merge midi in virus... thank you for help, i will try this setup tomorow and tell you what result i have.
2013-06-10 by D F Tweedie
2013-06-10 by Bruno
Hmmmm. I have 2 MT4s that I have abandoned because they simply do not work in XP. (The drivers are Win98 or WinNT which cause problems in my XP. And, yes, I even tried the Unitor drivers which people have gotten to work with the MT4's big sister. In fairness, they did work at one point, but that was probably before SP2 or SP3 which I believe changed how usb worked with Windows. Either that or I have something more important that conflicts with the MT4 drivers.)
I never thought of them as stand-alone midi mergers, perhaps because I'd need a couple of 5 volt wall-warts for stand-alone operation as they are powered by usb (unlike the MOTu Express XT which connects to AC). If I can find an inexpensive 5 volt wall-wart and can figure out how to hook the power up, maybe I will give the MT4 a try in stand alone mode. Would be nice to have a 2 in 4 out midi merger, if I could get power to it.
I had actually open one up to see if I could cannibalize it for use with an Arduino. OMG!!!! The Arduino I have can run off a 9V wall-wart (thanks to some regulators), so maybe I can take the 5 volts from the Arduino. Hmmmmmmmmm . . . .
(Stay tuned for further developments.)
Steve
> 2013/6/9 nikitsanpsix
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
>
> Given the fact that most devices don't propagate MIDI Clock to MIDI Thru
> outputs, I don't think it's feasible to get it working properly without
> another device, namely a MIDI interface with configurable standalone mode.
> If you don't use (and you don't plan to use) a 64-bit Windows system,
> eMagic AMT4 should do the trick for you on any Windows up to XP, as well as
> on Mac OS X. In standalone mode you have 32 user setups, where you can use
> connection matrix to do in-to-out mapping (no control over channel-based
> filtering or anything fancy), and you can even switch them using ordinary
> Program Changes on specific port & channel.
>
> It is a second-hand gear, which - afaik - can give you headache under 64
> bit Windows.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> > >
> > > Addendum: I tried looking for manuals for some of you gear to see what
> > midi i/o/thru each has. I found lots of info, including synth engine
> > capabilities and videos, but I did not find the midi i/o/thru details.
> > (Possibly I looked at the wrong sites and I gave up too soon.)
> > >
> > > As best as I can tell, though, you do not have a midi router, though it
> > seems as though you have 1 In and 1 Out on the focusrite and 1 In and 1 Out
> > on the E-Mu 1x1 that might let you use the computer as a router. However,
> > as a PC person, I don't know what midi filtering/routing software you would
> > use.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that you could have the Virus going to your Mac with 1
> > Midi In, and your Novation going into the Mac with the other Midi In. If
> > the Novation will pass midi data to the Mac via usb, you could have the KP3
> > going to the second Midi in of you Mac.
> > >
> > > So, with appropriate sofware you either have 2 in 2 out or 3 in 2 out
> > routing capability (assuming you have Mac software that will do that).
> > >
> > >
> > > Virus --> Mac via focusrite
> > > Novation --> Mac via 1x1
> > >
> > > Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite
> > > Mac --> KP3 via 1x1
> > >
> > > OR (if Novation can send midi to Mac via usb):
> > >
> > > Novation --> Mac via usb
> > >
> > > MP7 --> Mac via focusrite
> > > Virus --> Mac via 1x1
> > >
> > > Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite
> > > Mac --> KP3 via 1x1
> > >
> > > Would one of these two setups work for you?
> > >
> > > Also, if the virus rack has a thru, you could daisy chain a module to it.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > I would like to do computerless true hardware setup. Ñomputer is used only
> > for stereo recording. I dont want to do midi routing in software.
> > And yes Virus have midi thru.
> > As I understand you, I can connect novation via virus midi thru to mp7,
> > But emu have only one midi in and i want record virus into mp7 too. that is
> > my problem.
> > and for kp3, i only need send to it midi clock, i dont need use midi out
> > from it.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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2013-06-10 by Susan Subtract
Aha, so here's the secret then...
OK, seems like AMT4 and AMT8 are completely different beasts, AMT8 being in fact the Unitor8 with chopped-off SMPTE sync. Now I understand the posts on AN1x forum, claiming that AMTs won';t work on anything beyond Win 2000.
What I can say is that I have Unitor8 MK I (RS-232), Unitor8 MK II (USB) and AMT8 (USB), working together as a stack under Windows XP with SP3. I tried all possible combinations at some point, including the USB<->RS-232 adapter connected to Unitor MK I. Everything worked OK, except that at some point the Unitor8 Config (an old eMagic software used for configuring the devices) stopped working. Since I have it running on Mac, I didn't bother so much getting it back into shape.
I also have a small Win XP/SP3 PC in my drawer (yes, it is so small), which I only use for some MIDI-related stuff (ancient editors for ancient synths, Cakewalk 3.00, E-Loader etc.), with no plans to switch to a more modern OS, so compatibility issues don't concern me.
YMMV, as always.2013/6/9 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Hmmmm. I have 2 MT4s that I have abandoned because they simply do not work in XP. (The drivers are Win98 or WinNT which cause problems in my XP. And, yes, I even tried the Unitor drivers which people have gotten to work with the MT4's big sister. In fairness, they did work at one point, but that was probably before SP2 or SP3 which I believe changed how usb worked with Windows. Either that or I have something more important that conflicts with the MT4 drivers.)
I never thought of them as stand-alone midi mergers, perhaps because I'd need a couple of 5 volt wall-warts for stand-alone operation as they are powered by usb (unlike the MOTu Express XT which connects to AC). If I can find an inexpensive 5 volt wall-wart and can figure out how to hook the power up, maybe I will give the MT4 a try in stand alone mode. Would be nice to have a 2 in 4 out midi merger, if I could get power to it.
I had actually open one up to see if I could cannibalize it for use with an Arduino. OMG!!!! The Arduino I have can run off a 9V wall-wart (thanks to some regulators), so maybe I can take the 5 volts from the Arduino. Hmmmmmmmmm . . . .
(Stay tuned for further developments.)
Steve
> 2013/6/9 nikitsanpsix
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
>
> Given the fact that most devices don't propagate MIDI Clock to MIDI Thru
> outputs, I don't think it's feasible to get it working properly without
> another device, namely a MIDI interface with configurable standalone mode.
> If you don't use (and you don't plan to use) a 64-bit Windows system,
> eMagic AMT4 should do the trick for you on any Windows up to XP, as well as
> on Mac OS X. In standalone mode you have 32 user setups, where you can use
> connection matrix to do in-to-out mapping (no control over channel-based
> filtering or anything fancy), and you can even switch them using ordinary
> Program Changes on specific port & channel.
>
> It is a second-hand gear, which - afaik - can give you headache under 64
> bit Windows.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>;
>
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> > >
> > > Addendum: I tried looking for manuals for some of you gear to see what
> > midi i/o/thru each has. I found lots of info, including synth engine
> > capabilities and videos, but I did not find the midi i/o/thru details.
> > (Possibly I looked at the wrong sites and I gave up too soon.)
> > >;
> > > As best as I can tell, though, you do not have a midi router, though it
> > seems as though you have 1 In and 1 Out on the focusrite and 1 In and 1 Out
> > on the E-Mu 1x1 that might let you use the computer as a router. However,
> > as a PC person, I don't know what midi filtering/routing software you would
> > use.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that you could have the Virus going to your Mac with 1
> > Midi In, and your Novation going into the Mac with the other Midi In. If
> > the Novation will pass midi data to the Mac via usb, you could have the KP3
> > going to the second Midi in of you Mac.
> > >
> > > So, with appropriate sofware you either have 2 in 2 out or 3 in 2 out
> > routing capability (assuming you have Mac software that will do that).
> > >
> > >
> > > Virus --> Mac via focusrite
> > > Novation --> Mac via 1x1
> > >
> > > Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite
> > > Mac --> KP3 via 1x1
> > >
> > > OR (if Novation can send midi to Mac via usb):
> > >
> > > Novation --> Mac via usb
> > >
> > >; MP7 --> Mac via focusrite
> > > Virus --> Mac via 1x1
> > >
> > > Mac --> Mp7 via focusrite
> > > Mac --> KP3 via 1x1
> > >
> > > Would one of these two setups work for you?
> > >
> > > Also, if the virus rack has a thru, you could daisy chain a module to it.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >;
> > > Steve
> > >
> > I would like to do computerless true hardware setup. Ñomputer is used only
> > for stereo recording. I dont want to do midi routing in software.
> > And yes Virus have midi thru.
> > As I understand you, I can connect novation via virus midi thru to mp7,
> > But emu have only one midi in and i want record virus into mp7 too. that is
> > my problem.
> > and for kp3, i only need send to it midi clock, i dont need use midi out
> > from it.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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2013-06-10 by Susan Subtract
I want record multisetup or preset dump. And then multis(or presets) on virus will changes automaticaly to match selected pattern or song on mp7. This is my target.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Susan Subtract wrote:
>
> What possible midi from the virus would you want to record onto the command
> station?
2013-06-10 by nikitsanpsix
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Susan Subtract <ryan.taylor.jorgensen@...> wrote: > > program change message sent from command station? > Yes! but how record it for change multisetup? Im using several channels (presets/tembres).
2013-06-10 by Nathan Steele
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Susan Subtract wrote:
>
> program change message sent from command station?
>
Yes! but how record it for change multisetup? Im using several channels (presets/tembres).
2013-06-11 by Boris
From my experience with a virus (TI if that matters), this works with one caveat - the patch on the global MIDI channel is changed too. My workaround was to use channel 16 as the global, since my multis never use up all 16 channels. Hope this helps. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Steele <XTCaine303@...> wrote: > > > > Not sure which virus you are using but page 120 of the virus c manual > states: > > "MULTI PROGRAM CHANGE ENABLE > This function controls if the VIRUS receives pro- > gram changes of multi-setups. If enabled, the > VIRUS switches an entire multi-setup by a pro- > gram change. The global MIDI channel has to > be used to receive the program change. Please > note that the multi program change will no > work in the single-multi mode, because, in this > mode, the display is unable to show the > change." > > This is a system parameter setting. I don't own a viruse so I may not be > able to help much further. > > your best bet if you want to use the same multi for a whole pattern in > the command station is to put the program change in the Tick 0. I have > tried to figure this out myself and followed instructions but couldn't > get it to work, can someone who did this and had it work please explain it? > > > > On 6/10/2013 4:30 PM, nikitsanpsix wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com <mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, Susan > > Subtract <ryan.taylor.jorgensen@> wrote: > > > > > > program change message sent from command station? > > > > > > > Yes! but how record it for change multisetup? Im using several > > channels (presets/tembres). > > > > >
2013-06-11 by nikitsanpsix
by a lucky coincidence I use my virus rack (one rack-unit device) on global 16 too, and never use more than 6-8 virus channels in multi. thank for support :-) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Boris" <bgutman@...> wrote: > > > From my experience with a virus (TI if that matters), this works with one caveat - the patch on the global MIDI channel is changed too. My workaround was to use channel 16 as the global, since my multis never use up all 16 channels. Hope this helps. > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Steele <XTCaine303@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not sure which virus you are using but page 120 of the virus c manual > > states: > > > > "MULTI PROGRAM CHANGE ENABLE > > This function controls if the VIRUS receives pro- > > gram changes of multi-setups. If enabled, the > > VIRUS switches an entire multi-setup by a pro- > > gram change. The global MIDI channel has to > > be used to receive the program change. Please > > note that the multi program change will no > > work in the single-multi mode, because, in this > > mode, the display is unable to show the > > change." > > > > This is a system parameter setting. I don't own a viruse so I may not be > > able to help much further. > > > > your best bet if you want to use the same multi for a whole pattern in > > the command station is to put the program change in the Tick 0. I have > > tried to figure this out myself and followed instructions but couldn't > > get it to work, can someone who did this and had it work please explain it? > > > > > > > > On 6/10/2013 4:30 PM, nikitsanpsix wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com <mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, Susan > > > Subtract <ryan.taylor.jorgensen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > program change message sent from command station? > > > > > > > > > > Yes! but how record it for change multisetup? Im using several > > > channels (presets/tembres). > > > > > > > > >
2013-06-11 by Matt
Can't do preset dump and multis have already been discussed
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Susan Subtract wrote:
>
> What possible midi from the virus would you want to record onto the command
> station?
I want record multisetup or preset dump. And then multis(or presets) on virus will changes automaticaly to match selected pattern or song on mp7. This is my target.