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Two track latency???

Two track latency???

2013-01-06 by nikitsanpsix

I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys who helps me .
And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency again.
Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!! 
why? and how to correct this issue????

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-09 by nikitsanpsix

nobody?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys who helps me .
> And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency again.
> Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!! 
> why? and how to correct this issue????
>

Re: [xl7] Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-09 by Alwyn

So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the Main Output?



On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix <nikitsan@...> wrote:
 

nobody?



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
>
> I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys who helps me .
> And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency again.
> Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> why? and how to correct this issue????
>


Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-09 by nikitsanpsix

No I have  it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 - same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking sound on output.
when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
>
> So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the
> Main Output?
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > nobody?
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > >
> > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for
> > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys
> > who helps me .
> > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and
> > all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with
> > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To
> > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with
> > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency
> > again.
> > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-09 by steve_the_composer

Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.

Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of this I am remembering correctly.  I will try to search the archives.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> No I have  it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 - same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking sound on output.
> when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
> >
> > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the
> > Main Output?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix  wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > nobody?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for
> > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys
> > > who helps me .
> > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and
> > > all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with
> > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To
> > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with
> > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency
> > > again.
> > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-09 by steve_the_composer

Here's the post I was remembering.  It was in reply to another post.  Maybe the discussion applies to your situation.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/13787

Steve

PS: I can't believe I found the post so quickly!!!!


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer"  wrote:
>
> Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.
> 
> Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of this I am remembering correctly.  I will try to search the archives.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> >
> > No I have  it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 - same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking sound on output.
> > when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the
> > > Main Output?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > nobody?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for
> > > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys
> > > > who helps me .
> > > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and
> > > > all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with
> > > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To
> > > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with
> > > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency
> > > > again.
> > > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> > > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by nikitsanpsix

Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer"  wrote:
>
> Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.
> 
> Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of this I am remembering correctly.  I will try to search the archives.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> >
> > No I have  it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 - same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking sound on output.
> > when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the
> > > Main Output?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > nobody?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for
> > > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys
> > > > who helps me .
> > > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and
> > > > all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with
> > > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To
> > > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with
> > > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency
> > > > again.
> > > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> > > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by johnnie5917

Oh dear.  I had dusted off my XL7 and was starting to have quite a lot of fun thinking I would go back to using a hardware sequencer and do a couple of tracks with it.  I had been reading about how the timing on these things was to die for compared to software sequencers etc. 

Back to Ableton, Logic and Reason I suppose.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer"  wrote:
> >
> > Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.
> > 
> > Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of this I am remembering correctly.  I will try to search the archives.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No I have  it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 - same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking sound on output.
> > > when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the
> > > > Main Output?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > nobody?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for
> > > > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys
> > > > > who helps me .
> > > > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and
> > > > > all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with
> > > > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To
> > > > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with
> > > > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency
> > > > > again.
> > > > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> > > > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [xl7] Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by Alwyn

Do you get the same delay using different samples/patches?

On 10/01/2013 6:07 PM, "johnnie5917" <johnniebg@...> wrote:
 

Oh dear. I had dusted off my XL7 and was starting to have quite a lot of fun thinking I would go back to using a hardware sequencer and do a couple of tracks with it. I had been reading about how the timing on these things was to die for compared to software sequencers etc.

Back to Ableton, Logic and Reason I suppose.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
>
> Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> >
> > Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.
> >
> > Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of this I am remembering correctly. I will try to search the archives.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > >
> > > No I have it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 - same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking sound on output.
> > > when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn wrote:
> >; > >
> > > > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output and the
> > > > Main Output?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > nobody?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external compressor for
> > > > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to all guys
> > > > > who helps me .
> > > > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to sub 1 and
> > > > > all is working, but there are small differences above few milliseconds with
> > > > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in start). To
> > > > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical tracks with
> > > > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this latency
> > > > > again.
> > > > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with latency!!!!!
> > > > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by nikitsanpsix

I hear it mainly on kick samples.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
>
> Do you get the same delay using different samples/patches?
> On 10/01/2013 6:07 PM, "johnnie5917"  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Oh dear. I had dusted off my XL7 and was starting to have quite a lot of
> > fun thinking I would go back to using a hardware sequencer and do a couple
> > of tracks with it. I had been reading about how the timing on these things
> > was to die for compared to software sequencers etc.
> >
> > Back to Ableton, Logic and Reason I suppose.
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I
> > stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would
> > cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit
> > a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another
> > was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't
> > remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I
> > want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was
> > doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.
> > > >
> > > > Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of
> > this I am remembering correctly. I will try to search the archives.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No I have it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 -
> > same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking
> > sound on output.
> > > > > when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my
> > MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output
> > and the
> > > > > > Main Output?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > nobody?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external
> > compressor for
> > > > > > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to
> > all guys
> > > > > > > who helps me .
> > > > > > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > > > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to
> > sub 1 and
> > > > > > > all is working, but there are small differences above few
> > milliseconds with
> > > > > > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in
> > start). To
> > > > > > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical
> > tracks with
> > > > > > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this
> > latency
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with
> > latency!!!!!
> > > > > > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by johnnie5917

Exactly what I was trying to do. Sync to a kick drum in ableton.

I was then going to try to play some of the riffs from the XL7 with other instruments. 

Was a good idea to start off with - like so many!

:(
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> I hear it mainly on kick samples.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn  wrote:
> >
> > Do you get the same delay using different samples/patches?
> > On 10/01/2013 6:07 PM, "johnnie5917"  wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh dear. I had dusted off my XL7 and was starting to have quite a lot of
> > > fun thinking I would go back to using a hardware sequencer and do a couple
> > > of tracks with it. I had been reading about how the timing on these things
> > > was to die for compared to software sequencers etc.
> > >
> > > Back to Ableton, Logic and Reason I suppose.
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?
> > > >
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmmm. now that you mention phasing, I am remembering something I
> > > stumbled onto a few years ago. I turns off all FX and anything that would
> > > cause minute delays or pitch shifts, chorus, flange, etc. I repeatedly hit
> > > a note and found that the timbre of the same note played one after another
> > > was different, like there was an unexplained phase differential. I don't
> > > remember much more of my experiments or if I ever tracked the cause down. I
> > > want to say that with each keypress, depending on what the processor was
> > > doing, there was a miniscule phase difference.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure if this is what you are talking about; not sure how much of
> > > this I am remembering correctly. I will try to search the archives.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No I have it even if ie track1 - kick sample (main out), track2 -
> > > same kick sample (main out). In result i have some phasing, and flicking
> > > sound on output.
> > > > > > when i route track2 on sub out 1 for compressing and return it to my
> > > MP7 there is same phasing issue and flick on begin of sample.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Alwyn wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So you are seeing some timing difference between the Sub Output
> > > and the
> > > > > > > Main Output?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9 January 2013 16:25, nikitsanpsix wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > nobody?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have psoted some time ago about routing mp7 to external
> > > compressor for
> > > > > > > > parallel NY style compression... I have my answer, and thanks to
> > > all guys
> > > > > > > > who helps me .
> > > > > > > > > And now I have another trouble with parralel compression...
> > > > > > > > > I have properly conected and routed my outbord compressor to
> > > sub 1 and
> > > > > > > > all is working, but there are small differences above few
> > > milliseconds with
> > > > > > > > clean and processed signal. It`s sounds not good (flickering in
> > > start). To
> > > > > > > > exclude my compressor latency i try simply make two idetical
> > > tracks with
> > > > > > > > one kick sound preset (without any fx at all), and i have this
> > > latency
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > Any body can try this, two identical tracks sounds with
> > > latency!!!!!
> > > > > > > > > why? and how to correct this issue????
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by steve_the_composer

I haven't played with it since participating in that thread, but I am guessing that I was close when suggesting that the seemingly random phase shifting contributes to the E-Mu's "phatt" sound (what the original post called a flange-like sound). In the thread I believe someone suggested changing pan, detune, etc. to get rid of that effect. There may be other ideas. Not sure when I will have time to reconstruct and play around with it. 

Since the effect was related to the same sound being generated by multiple layers, perhaps if the preset you are using has the same (or similar) sound on different layers, turn off all but one layer to see if it goes away. If so, you can redesign the preset accordingly. 

Hope this helps.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-10 by nikitsanpsix

O! it`s a good idea with layers. Maybe somebody knows, can I route different layers to different outputs?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer"  wrote:
>
> I haven't played with it since participating in that thread, but I am guessing that I was close when suggesting that the seemingly random phase shifting contributes to the E-Mu's "phatt" sound (what the original post called a flange-like sound). In the thread I believe someone suggested changing pan, detune, etc. to get rid of that effect. There may be other ideas. Not sure when I will have time to reconstruct and play around with it. 
> 
> Since the effect was related to the same sound being generated by multiple layers, perhaps if the preset you are using has the same (or similar) sound on different layers, turn off all but one layer to see if it goes away. If so, you can redesign the preset accordingly. 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes!!! exactly what I`m talking about! Have you any solution for this?
> >
>

Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-11 by steve_the_composer

I am not in front of my gear, it seems that the Mix Output operates on layers. Assign layers to different sends->sub outs. However, only main has FXA/FXB.

L1 MIX OUTPUT
Send2->main

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> O! it`s a good idea with layers. Maybe somebody knows, can I route different layers to different outputs?
>

Re: [xl7] Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-11 by Bruno

BTW: isn't it the same effect like if you were playing the same MIDI notes on the same patches on two different channels? Or sending doubled notes from the external sequencer (happened to me few times and it's f...ing annoying).

Bruno


2013/1/11 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
I am not in front of my gear, it seems that the Mix Output operates on layers. Assign layers to different sends->sub outs. However, only main has FXA/FXB.

L1 MIX OUTPUT
Send2->main

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
>
> O! it`s a good idea with layers. Maybe somebody knows, can I route different layers to different outputs?
>




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Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-11 by nikitsanpsix

this is exactly what we are discussing here.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno  wrote:
>
> BTW: isn't it the same effect like if you were playing the same MIDI notes
> on the same patches on two different channels? Or sending doubled notes
> from the external sequencer (happened to me few times and it's f...ing
> annoying).
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 
> 2013/1/11 steve_the_composer 
> 
> > I am not in front of my gear, it seems that the Mix Output operates on
> > layers. Assign layers to different sends->sub outs. However, only main has
> > FXA/FXB.
> >
> > L1 MIX OUTPUT
> > Send2->main
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> > >
> > > O! it`s a good idea with layers. Maybe somebody knows, can I route
> > different layers to different outputs?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-11 by nikitsanpsix

but I have not tried an external sequencer.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno  wrote:
>
> BTW: isn't it the same effect like if you were playing the same MIDI notes
> on the same patches on two different channels? Or sending doubled notes
> from the external sequencer (happened to me few times and it's f...ing
> annoying).
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 
> 2013/1/11 steve_the_composer 
> 
> > I am not in front of my gear, it seems that the Mix Output operates on
> > layers. Assign layers to different sends->sub outs. However, only main has
> > FXA/FXB.
> >
> > L1 MIX OUTPUT
> > Send2->main
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> > >
> > > O! it`s a good idea with layers. Maybe somebody knows, can I route
> > different layers to different outputs?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
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Re: [xl7] Re: Two track latency???

2013-01-11 by Bruno

The usage of external sequencer doesn't really matter. If you trigger the same sample twice in the same time, you will always experience chorus effect. This is also a reason for E-mu "cheap"; implementation of chorus effect on the polyphony level.

As strange that it can seem, if you want to have more powerful sound (instead of chorus), maybe just fight fire with fire - use the same sample, but experiment with Sound Start/Delay parameters for one layer?


2013/1/11 nikitsanpsix <nikitsan@...>
but I have not tried an external sequencer.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno  wrote:
>
> BTW: isn't it the same effect like if you were playing the same MIDI notes
> on the same patches on two different channels? Or sending doubled notes
> from the external sequencer (happened to me few times and it's f...ing
> annoying).
>
> Bruno
>
>
> 2013/1/11 steve_the_composer
>
> > I am not in front of my gear, it seems that the Mix Output operates on
> > layers. Assign layers to different sends->sub outs. However, only main has
> > FXA/FXB.
> >
> > L1 MIX OUTPUT
> > Send2->main
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nikitsanpsix"  wrote:
> > >
> > > O! it`s a good idea with layers. Maybe somebody knows, can I route
> > different layers to different outputs?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Two track latency???

2014-07-16 by smw-mail@...

I seem to remember doing a test many years ago. If I recall correctly, I had the same ROM instrument on two layers, no effects or anything, short attack, etc. I triggered a single note and the two layers did not always hit at the same time. There seemed to be some nanoseconds of variation. I will see if I wrote that up.