Makes sense. No need to make it more complicated with setting up midi sync then. It can be a bit tricky, depending on your wiring. Thanks for the explanation.
Steve
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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> Steve ...
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> Thanks for your great advice ... but my 'lazy man's' way seems to work fine without any syncing.
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> All I have to do make sure the tempos on the DAW project and on Beats are the same. Since I now know how to run the Beats either at their original tempo or change the tempo to one I want from the PX7, I'm good to go.
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> I basically just use the PX7 as a sound module triggered by the midi in my DAW. When a Beats preset receives a midi note from the DAW on one of the controller keys in the C-2 to G1 range, if it is the first note, it will start the Beats preset the same as pushing the Audition button. As long as those midi notes, one to start and a second to stop when needed, are on the grid and the tempos are identical, everything plays perfectly. I can merrily push on and off the various triggers from my midi file far across the room, setting up nice combos of active and inactive triggered parts.
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> There is also one great benefit when doing it this way: the triggered Beat part is velocity sensitive. So I can make the parts play louder or softer across the track ... something I guess you could do from the pads if they were set to the right notes ... but a whole lot easier and with greater control by drawing velocity values for the 'on' midi notes.
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> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [xl7] Re: Beats' Tempo?
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> When I synced a software sequencer/DAW to my P2500, I had to have one set up as clock master and the other set up as a slave. Trying to sync without that just didn't work. If you use the DAW as clock master and you don't want the E-Mu to respond to start/stop, the midi menu system has an EXTERNAL SONG START/STOP parameter which can be either ignored or accepted. If you can't disable start/stop from being sent by the DAW, perhaps the E-Mu filter will work. I haven't done that type of syncing in a while, but it might be what you want.
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> The E-Mu should be set to receive external midi clock so that the beats/arps/riffs are at the same bpm as your DAW.
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> Or, if you wiring and DAW will let you, you could have the E-Mu as the clock master. You would have to make sure you don't have a midi feedback loop, though.
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> Not sure this is what you want, but maybe it is.
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> Steve
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> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@> wrote:
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> > Thanks, Steve!
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> > I'd actually already found this in the manual.
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> > What I still cannot find is where the original riff tempo is? In other
> > words, can you read it, reset it somewhere in the Bts preset or is it
> > hard wired into the ROM and 'just plays.'
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> > As far as the gear goes, no, I'm not trying to sync two pieces.
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> > What I'm intending on doing is using my DAW sequencer to trigger the beats in a MIDI sequence, using one note for 'on' and another for 'off' for each part/ assigned midi note across the time line. But to have it work right, I need to control the tempo of the beat so I can select a tempo I want and align it to the grid in my sequencer. This also has the advantage of being able to create individual velocity curves in my DAW for each part as the 'note on' trigger is ... well ... 'triggered.'
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> > I know I can send MIDI clock from the sequencer, but it is a pain to have the PX-7 starting and stopping when I'm working in the DAW sequencer. It's better to set the tempo of the Beats to the PX-7 and the tempo of the PX-7 to that of the song I'm working on.
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> > Ulitimately, I'll track the audio out of the PX-7, recording one part at a time so I can polish the audio in my DAW.
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> > I've got another question about the Master Riff I plan to post. I'd like to use a standard key for all the melodic beat parts so I can keep track of how to transpose them, if necessary.
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> > DF
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> > Subject: [xl7] Re: Beats' Tempo?
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> > Cross posted in P2K and XL7 Groups:
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> > Look for RIFF TEMPO. BTS presets are presets with special (usually 16 channel) riffs. There are two options: (a) use riff tempo and (b) use current tempo. With (a) the tempo will be the one that's on the ROM that has the RIFF. With (b) it will either be external or internal midi/bpm tempo.
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> > As for triggering beats from your keyboard, there are BEATS TRIGGER LAYOUT parameters. You have: Parts 1 -> 16, Groups 1 -> 4, Strt/Stop, ClrParts, Mute, and TrigHold.
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> > If the grid is being driven by the internal midi clock, it should be the same clock as what's diving the bts.
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> > I am not sure this is helpful, because I have a cold (head congestion/fuzzy thinking) and don't really understand what you are trying to do. But maybe it will be help.
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> > Steve
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> > Out of curiosity, are you trying to sync two different pieces of gear? I didn't infer that at first but in trying to make sense of what you are doing, perhaps you are talking about using more than one piece of gear.
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> > If so, you should have one as clock master and the other(s) as clock slaves.
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> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@> wrote:
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> > > (Cross-posted XL7 and P2K)
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> > > I know if I play a pattern, the tempo reads out in the synth. If I record into my sequencer and set the sequencer to the same tempo, everything locks to the grid and then I can sequence other parts.
> > >
> > > Beats, once triggered, also seem to have a tempo. Where do I find the tempo info for beats so I can trigger them from midi notes in my sequencer and have them lock to the grid?
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> > > Thanks.
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> > > DF
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