Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

2012/9/18 D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...>
> Has anyone managed to find a way with sysex to extract these riffs in a single go and then convert them to SMF?
>
> E-mu had to have placed them in the hardware ROMs somehow.

Yep, but since SysEx is mostly for two-way (read/write) communication,
they may be not accessible for it, since they are read-only (as well
as beats).

Bruno

2012/9/18 D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...>
> Sounds like you doubt it can be done with Sysex or any other way besides recording the midi one audition by one. But you are not certain. Right?

After checking with the SysEx specification I'm certain it cannot be
done in any way, which has been documented by E-mu. Also there's no
point in making your own (or even copy the riffs), when you are
creating your own Flash ROM.

Bruno

2012/9/18 D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...>
> Bruno wrote: "Also there's no point in making your own (or even copy the riffs), when you are
>
> creating your own Flash ROM."

Note to self: when rewriting the sentence, rewrite it as a whole.

"Also there's no possibility..."

> But that's not what I want them for! I'm delving into Cognitone's Harmony Navigator 2. It permits you to import and store midi phrases in a library and assign them to a GM instrument. Then the program makes an algorithm from the phrase examining the content, i.e., monophonic, polyphonic, melodic, rhythmic, etc. You then can take the phrase from the library and use it to voice an 'instrument' playing a progression. It will keep perfect harmonic changes with the progression ... and you can further manipulate it in different ways in the program.
>
> Better than sliced bread.

It's very interesting use case, and this software sounds promising. I
was planning to write something like this for myself, using Perl, but
I would rather feed it in realtime with some phrases, or build a
"brain" (phrase storage?).

What you could do is to write a program, that takes a patch (any would
do), and then sets the audition riff to all the possible values (using
SysEx), playing the riff after every change (SysEx as well). Then it
would have to recognize when the riff looped (not all riffs are of the
same length), cut it and save to the SMF file. Seems doable, and if
you feed the P2K with constant clock signal, the riff should sync to
it. Then again, Harmony Navigator will probably smart enough to detect
that the phrase is being repeated, so you can safely record, say, 16
bars each time.

I can examine the possibility of doing it with my tools, if more
people are interested.

Bruno

Even with an E-Mu Ultra Sampler and a flash sound ROM, so far as I know, you cannot put resources such as riffs onto the ROM.  The Ultra sampler will burn samples and basic presets and a P2K machine (including CS) will let you burn presets.

Several years ago I thought it would be a nice idea if users were to record riffs into patterns that could be put uploaded with e-loader. I recorded one or two audition riffs just to test the process (midi out to midi in), but didn't go further than that.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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> The various modules have great little riffs played during audition. I know how to send out the midi and record the riffs for creating a library of instrument specific midi phrases.
> 
> Has anyone managed to find a way with sysex to extract these riffs in a single go and then convert them to SMF?
> 
> E-mu had to have placed them in the hardware ROMs somehow.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> DF
> 
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Well, you did say:

> > E-mu had to have placed them in the hardware ROMs somehow.

What I was trying to say is: just because they [E-Mu] put them [riffs] onto ROMs doesn't mean any one else can put them [riffs] onto ROMs >>or get them off.<< [Guess I should have spelled that out in the first place.]

The comment "E-mu had to have placed them in the hardware ROMs somehow" seems to be implying that if they [E-Mu] got them [riffs] onto the ROMs, therefore someone should be able to figure out a way to get them off.

Thus, "even with an E-Mu Ultra Sampler and a flash sound ROM" no one else can get riffs onto [implied: or off of] a sound ROM.

Apologies if I didn't make the part about not getting them off clear in the original reply. 

I suppose someone could try to find or built a device to read the contents of the sound ROMs bit by bit and then try to decipher the structure of the code and the code itself. My guess is that it would be quicker to just record all the riffs.

Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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> Lost me?
> 
> I wasn't asking about burning riffs, I was asking about any other way to extract them from the ROMs for conversion to SMF ... other than recording MIDI Out, of course.
> 
> DF
> 
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> Subject: [xl7] Re: Sysex Expert ... Probably means you, Steve!
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>   
> Even with an E-Mu Ultra Sampler and a flash sound ROM, so far as I know, you cannot put resources such as riffs onto the ROM.  The Ultra sampler will burn samples and basic presets and a P2K machine (including CS) will let you burn presets.
> 
> Several years ago I thought it would be a nice idea if users were to record riffs into patterns that could be put uploaded with e-loader. I recorded one or two audition riffs just to test the process (midi out to midi in), but didn't go further than that.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@> wrote:
> >
> > The various modules have great little riffs played during audition. I know how to send out the midi and record the riffs for creating a library of instrument specific midi phrases.
> > 
> > Has anyone managed to find a way with sysex to extract these riffs in a single go and then convert them to SMF?
> > 
> > E-mu had to have placed them in the hardware ROMs somehow.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > DF
> > 
> >  
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2012/9/18 D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...>
> Sounds like you doubt it can be done with Sysex or any other way besides recording the midi one audition by one. But you are not certain. Right?

After checking with the SysEx specification I'm certain it cannot be
done in any way, which has been documented by E-mu. Also there's no
point in making your own (or even copy the riffs), when you are
creating your own Flash ROM.

Bruno