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Hi, all - I was wondering if it's possible for a Command Station to read a rack version of one of the other ROMs?  The ROMs I'm most interested in are hard to come by, but I see the rack versions they're based upon are plentiful and cheap.  Could I connect, say, an Xtreme Lead-1 to my MP-7, as a "workaround"? 

I use a Mac and Ctrlr crashes on launch, so I wouldn't be able to edit the ROMs, to install in the MP-7. But I wouldn't mind eventually buying multiple racks, if I could somehow chain them to my Command Station and get a poor-man's version of installing extra ROMs.

Thank you!  - Jammes

Please disregard the Ctrlr reference... I was thinking of my synth editor replacement.  ;)



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all - I was wondering if it's possible for a Command Station to read a rack version of one of the other ROMs?  The ROMs I'm most interested in are hard to come by, but I see the rack versions they're based upon are plentiful and cheap.  Could I connect, say, an Xtreme Lead-1 to my MP-7, as a "workaround"? 
> 
> I use a Mac and Ctrlr crashes on launch, so I wouldn't be able to edit the ROMs, to install in the MP-7. But I wouldn't mind eventually buying multiple racks, if I could somehow chain them to my Command Station and get a poor-man's version of installing extra ROMs.
> 
> Thank you!  - Jammes
>

Thank you!  I was a bit confused, thinking that ROMs out of the rack units had to be converted in order to be used in the Command Station.  I see now, that it's only when you need the extra banks. That's amazing news, to these ears.  :)  - J



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mariusz P <elektrofunkenstein@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jammes,
> yes, the roms are interchangeble. I use 4 different roms in my PX-7 CS with
> no compromise: PHATT (Mo'Phatt), XROM1 (XL-7), PROM (P2500/PK-6) and PX-7.
> 
> Plus, if you find or have sb do conversion for MP-7 you can use rare 5banks
> keyboard (MK-6 and XK-6) versions of Phatt and Xlead roms.
> 
> Good luck!
> M.

Trying to figure this all out as well...

I got an MP7 Command Station off eBay, it had a ROM in it that shows up in the display as "MROM" after you scroll past the "User" banks, which I think is from the keyboard version. The presets all sound fine, but if I use eLoader (horrible software) to put the MP7 patterns onto the box, the patterns will not play. I assume it is because my box has the "MROM" card in it instead of the genuine "MP7" card. The cards may be very similar, except there may be an extra bank on one and some presets are different. Anyway as I said, the presets all sound great, it is just the patterns that won't play.

I put an "XL7" card into it. When I use eLoader to put the XL7 patterns on the box, those play just fine. I assume if my XTREME card would have displayed as "XROM" instead, then I probably would have had the same problem with patterns, since there are minor differences between "XL7" and "XROM" cards.

I put a "ZR" card into it. The presets sound nice, although the GM bank is sort of wimpy, but the other 3 banks are nice. I assume there is no such thing as patterns for the ZR card.

To sum up: I think you can put any Proteus2000 family card in and the presets will sound nice, but if you want the patterns, then make sure it is specifically the "XL7" or "MP7" or "PX7" cards that the patterns go with. Or if you use a card from P2500 or one of the keyboards, then you need to find the patterns specifically for that card. If I ever find the patterns that go with "MROM", then I will load them up and see if they work. Hope this helps.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you!  I was a bit confused, thinking that ROMs out of the rack units had to be converted in order to be used in the Command Station.  I see now, that it's only when you need the extra banks. That's amazing news, to these ears.  :)  - J
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mariusz P <elektrofunkenstein@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jammes,
> > yes, the roms are interchangeble. I use 4 different roms in my PX-7 CS with
> > no compromise: PHATT (Mo'Phatt), XROM1 (XL-7), PROM (P2500/PK-6) and PX-7.
> > 
> > Plus, if you find or have sb do conversion for MP-7 you can use rare 5banks
> > keyboard (MK-6 and XK-6) versions of Phatt and Xlead roms.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > M.
>

I'm not one of the gurus here ... but I am a couple of steps ahead of you.

Yes, all the P1000/2000 cards and the P2500 cards will work in the Command Station.

The 5 bank cards were in the keyboard series of the P2000 engine. 


From the Creative website: http://www.creative.com/emu/company/history/timeline/



PK-6 PK-6 (Pop/Rock) - 2001 (Composer 'PROM1')
XK-6 (Techno/Electronica) - 2001 (Extreme Lead 'XROM')
MK-6 (Hip-Hop) - 2001 (Pure Phatt 'MROM')
Vintage Keys (Classic Keyboards) - 2003 (Sounds of the 70s and 80s 'VROM' )
These keyboards combined the sound engine of the Proteus 2000 with a 
61-note keyboard, and featured 64-voice polyphony, four internal 
soundROM slots and four analog outputs.

Additionally, the Ensoniq Halo is essentially part of the this same family, branded Ensoniq, but with the P2000 engine and the Sounds of the ZR ('QROM'), which included the famous ensoniq 'Perfect Piano.'

Finally, there is the 'QROM2' ... I'm not sure whether it was only available as a ROM or not ... which contained the two other ensoniq expansion board sounds: Urban Dance Project and Real World.

I think you are correct, that only the Command Stations and Command Module (P2500) have 'patterns,' as the other units don't include a sequencer as far as I know.

BTW, I have all the ensoniq boards mounted betweem two ensoniq MR Racks (units I really like!) and two ASR-X Pros, including duplicates of the Urban Dance and Real World.

One of the great features of the Urban Dance Project is that in contains nearly 50 GM drum kits to instantly audition different sounds if you use the GM standard for your drum mapping.

I may be selling one of the ASR-X Pros with the 8 analog expansion board and either the Urban Dance or Real World cards. If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll keep you in mind to check back before I flog it on Craig's or eBay.

DF


 
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 From: intrepidpete <peteflagg@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
 

  
Trying to figure this all out as well...

I got an MP7 Command Station off eBay, it had a ROM in it that shows up in the display as "MROM" after you scroll past the "User" banks, which I think is from the keyboard version. The presets all sound fine, but if I use eLoader (horrible software) to put the MP7 patterns onto the box, the patterns will not play. I assume it is because my box has the "MROM" card in it instead of the genuine "MP7" card. The cards may be very similar, except there may be an extra bank on one and some presets are different. Anyway as I said, the presets all sound great, it is just the patterns that won't play.

I put an "XL7" card into it. When I use eLoader to put the XL7 patterns on the box, those play just fine. I assume if my XTREME card would have displayed as "XROM" instead, then I probably would have had the same problem with patterns, since there are minor differences between "XL7" and "XROM" cards.

I put a "ZR" card into it. The presets sound nice, although the GM bank is sort of wimpy, but the other 3 banks are nice. I assume there is no such thing as patterns for the ZR card.

To sum up: I think you can put any Proteus2000 family card in and the presets will sound nice, but if you want the patterns, then make sure it is specifically the "XL7" or "MP7" or "PX7" cards that the patterns go with. Or if you use a card from P2500 or one of the keyboards, then you need to find the patterns specifically for that card. If I ever find the patterns that go with "MROM", then I will load them up and see if they work. Hope this helps.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you!  I was a bit confused, thinking that ROMs out of the rack units had to be converted in order to be used in the Command Station.  I see now, that it's only when you need the extra banks. That's amazing news, to these ears.  :)  - J
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mariusz P <elektrofunkenstein@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jammes,
> > yes, the roms are interchangeble. I use 4 different roms in my PX-7 CS with
> > no compromise: PHATT (Mo'Phatt), XROM1 (XL-7), PROM (P2500/PK-6) and PX-7.
> > 
> > Plus, if you find or have sb do conversion for MP-7 you can use rare 5banks
> > keyboard (MK-6 and XK-6) versions of Phatt and Xlead roms.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > M.
>

As others have pointed out, you can indeed use Sound ROMs made for the P2K synth engine in the CS (and P2500) that were originally designed for single rack unit and keyboard variants.

Also (as pointed out) factory patterns intended for a CS/P2500 ROM will either not sound right, or will not sound at all. These boxes use ROM IDs, Bank numbers, and Preset numbers to point to presets. The factory sequences (indeed all sequences) will have pointers to the ROMs and presets being used. 

So, if you don't have a ROM installed with the correct ROM ID, you should get no sound. If the ROM ID is the same but the order/numbering of the presets is different, the sequences will play different sounds.  

You probably could change the presets in the sequences to point to presets for ROMs you do have, but it might be more fun to create your own sequences.

Hope this helps.

Steve 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all - I was wondering if it's possible for a Command Station to read a rack version of one of the other ROMs?  The ROMs I'm most interested in are hard to come by, but I see the rack versions they're based upon are plentiful and cheap.  Could I connect, say, an Xtreme Lead-1 to my MP-7, as a "workaround"? 
> 
> I use a Mac and Ctrlr crashes on launch, so I wouldn't be able to edit the ROMs, to install in the MP-7. But I wouldn't mind eventually buying multiple racks, if I could somehow chain them to my Command Station and get a poor-man's version of installing extra ROMs.
> 
> Thank you!  - Jammes
>

Lol my mp7 has a px7 mobo in it with no px7 card and the metronome sounds weird.

PS: I like to distinguish between 12-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiL) and 16-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiP). This is one of several differences between the presets on the different versions of the ROM. So, the controller assignments for factory presets should be different depending on whther the ROM was designed for a 12-controller box or a 16-controller box.




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> As others have pointed out, you can indeed use Sound ROMs made for the P2K synth engine in the CS (and P2500) that were originally designed for single rack unit and keyboard variants.
> 
> Also (as pointed out) factory patterns intended for a CS/P2500 ROM will either not sound right, or will not sound at all. These boxes use ROM IDs, Bank numbers, and Preset numbers to point to presets. The factory sequences (indeed all sequences) will have pointers to the ROMs and presets being used. 
> 
> So, if you don't have a ROM installed with the correct ROM ID, you should get no sound. If the ROM ID is the same but the order/numbering of the presets is different, the sequences will play different sounds.  
> 
> You probably could change the presets in the sequences to point to presets for ROMs you do have, but it might be more fun to create your own sequences.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Steve 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all - I was wondering if it's possible for a Command Station to read a rack version of one of the other ROMs?  The ROMs I'm most interested in are hard to come by, but I see the rack versions they're based upon are plentiful and cheap.  Could I connect, say, an Xtreme Lead-1 to my MP-7, as a "workaround"? 
> > 
> > I use a Mac and Ctrlr crashes on launch, so I wouldn't be able to edit the ROMs, to install in the MP-7. But I wouldn't mind eventually buying multiple racks, if I could somehow chain them to my Command Station and get a poor-man's version of installing extra ROMs.
> > 
> > Thank you!  - Jammes
> >
>

Steve_the _Composer wrote: "PS: I like to distinguish between 12-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiL) and 16-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiP). This is one 
of several differences between the presets on the different versions of 
the ROM. So, the controller assignments for factory presets should be 
different depending on whther the ROM was designed for a 12-controller 
box or a 16-controller box."

This is a great point. This is basically the P1000/2000 modules and keyboards versus the P2500 Command Module and Command Stations, right?

DF


 
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 From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:56 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
 

  
PS: I like to distinguish between 12-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiL) and 16-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiP). This is one of several differences between the presets on the different versions of the ROM. So, the controller assignments for factory presets should be different depending on whther the ROM was designed for a 12-controller box or a 16-controller box.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> As others have pointed out, you can indeed use Sound ROMs made for the P2K synth engine in the CS (and P2500) that were originally designed for single rack unit and keyboard variants.
> 
> Also (as pointed out) factory patterns intended for a CS/P2500 ROM will either not sound right, or will not sound at all. These boxes use ROM IDs, Bank numbers, and Preset numbers to point to presets. The factory sequences (indeed all sequences) will have pointers to the ROMs and presets being used. 
> 
> So, if you don't have a ROM installed with the correct ROM ID, you should get no sound. If the ROM ID is the same but the order/numbering of the presets is different, the sequences will play different sounds. 
> 
> You probably could change the presets in the sequences to point to presets for ROMs you do have, but it might be more fun to create your own sequences.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Steve 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all - I was wondering if it's possible for a Command Station to read a rack version of one of the other ROMs?  The ROMs I'm most interested in are hard to come by, but I see the rack versions they're based upon are plentiful and cheap.  Could I connect, say, an Xtreme Lead-1 to my MP-7, as a "workaround"? 
> > 
> > I use a Mac and Ctrlr crashes on launch, so I wouldn't be able to edit the ROMs, to install in the MP-7. But I wouldn't mind eventually buying multiple racks, if I could somehow chain them to my Command Station and get a poor-man's version of installing extra ROMs.
> > 
> > Thank you!  - Jammes
> >
>

I was under the impression that one of the OS upgrades (1.31, 1.32 or 2.0) fixed the problem of not having the specific ROM intended for the mobo. I think the metronome defaults to a particular preset--possibly User 127^3. 

Check the addendas for those ROM upgrades and if I am remember correctly (i.e., it is a user slot), put a percussion preset there which works for you.

As I have said before, my memory is doing some automatic housecleaning, so don't quite me on this. But who knows, maybe this tidbit--which I never use--is indeed correct. A few weeks ago I pulled out the title and author of a book I had read approx 35 years ago!!!

Steve

--- In xl7@...m, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
> Lol my mp7 has a px7 mobo in it with no px7 card and the metronome sounds weird.

Thanks steve!

It was added as of OS1.31. From the Addendum:

"If there is no XL-7, MP-7, or Proteus 2500 ROM in the machine, the metronome will use preset 126 in user bank 3. Key 60 = accent; Key 61 = tick."

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks steve!
> On May 29, 2012 4:04 PM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I was under the impression that one of the OS upgrades (1.31, 1.32 or 2.0)
> > fixed the problem of not having the specific ROM intended for the mobo. I
> > think the metronome defaults to a particular preset--possibly User 127^3.
> >
> > Check the addendas for those ROM upgrades and if I am remember correctly
> > (i.e., it is a user slot), put a percussion preset there which works for
> > you.
> >
> > As I have said before, my memory is doing some automatic housecleaning, so
> > don't quite me on this. But who knows, maybe this tidbit--which I never
> > use--is indeed correct. A few weeks ago I pulled out the title and author
> > of a book I had read approx 35 years ago!!!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt <somatt@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Lol my mp7 has a px7 mobo in it with no px7 card and the metronome
> > sounds weird.
> >
> >  
> >
>

Basically, yes. In terms of E-Mu hardware built around the P2K synth engine there's (1) the 4 x 4 set of 16 knobs which can rotate through Quick Edit, Program, Volume, and Pan modes (P2500/CS units) and (2) the set of 4 knobs which can rotate through MidiA/B/C/D, MidiE/F/G/H, and MidiI/J/K/L (single rack units). I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.

Also, I thought the factory presets on ROMs also had patchcords based on either one or the other configurations. If I am right, a CMPSR ROM in a P2500 would only use MidiA --> MidiL and a P2500 ROM or a CS ROM in a single rack unit module will be unable to make use of patchcord functions that have MidiM --> MidiP.

I cannot test this by swapping ROMs (accessibility issue), so I am not sure that there isn't some kind of translation by the CS/P2500. Maybe someone can check to see this. (I'd take a peek at the Preset Patchcord assignments. On 12-controller based factory presets, I have found preset patchcords assigned to MidiK/L while on 16-controller based factory presets I have found them assigned to MidiN/O/P.

For example, I have an Advanced Orchestra ROM in a P2500 which has the preset patchcords assigned to MidiK for FxA Sends and MidiL for FxB Sends.

So I think its useful to know the controller configuration basis for the ROM presets. 

Hope this helps.

Steve




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
> Steve_the _Composer wrote: "PS: I like to distinguish between 12-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiL) and 16-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiP). This is one 
> of several differences between the presets on the different versions of 
> the ROM. So, the controller assignments for factory presets should be 
> different depending on whther the ROM was designed for a 12-controller 
> box or a 16-controller box."
> 
> This is a great point. This is basically the P1000/2000 modules and keyboards versus the P2500 Command Module and Command Stations, right?
> 
> DF
> 
> 
>  
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> 
> ________________________________
>  From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:56 PM
> Subject: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
>  
> 
>   
> PS: I like to distinguish between 12-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiL) and 16-controller E-Mu boxes (MidiA --> MidiP). This is one of several differences between the presets on the different versions of the ROM. So, the controller assignments for factory presets should be different depending on whther the ROM was designed for a 12-controller box or a 16-controller box.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > As others have pointed out, you can indeed use Sound ROMs made for the P2K synth engine in the CS (and P2500) that were originally designed for single rack unit and keyboard variants.
> > 
> > Also (as pointed out) factory patterns intended for a CS/P2500 ROM will either not sound right, or will not sound at all. These boxes use ROM IDs, Bank numbers, and Preset numbers to point to presets. The factory sequences (indeed all sequences) will have pointers to the ROMs and presets being used. 
> > 
> > So, if you don't have a ROM installed with the correct ROM ID, you should get no sound. If the ROM ID is the same but the order/numbering of the presets is different, the sequences will play different sounds. 
> > 
> > You probably could change the presets in the sequences to point to presets for ROMs you do have, but it might be more fun to create your own sequences.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Steve 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vivaknievel" <jammesluckett@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, all - I was wondering if it's possible for a Command Station to read a rack version of one of the other ROMs?  The ROMs I'm most interested in are hard to come by, but I see the rack versions they're based upon are plentiful and cheap.  Could I connect, say, an Xtreme Lead-1 to my MP-7, as a "workaround"? 
> > > 
> > > I use a Mac and Ctrlr crashes on launch, so I wouldn't be able to edit the ROMs, to install in the MP-7. But I wouldn't mind eventually buying multiple racks, if I could somehow chain them to my Command Station and get a poor-man's version of installing extra ROMs.
> > > 
> > > Thank you!  - Jammes
> > >
> >
>

2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
> I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.

As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.

Bruno

Hmmm ... I'm getting a headache.

I think I'll put trying to figure this out on the back burner for a while.

DF

 
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 From: Bruno <brunorc@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
 

  
2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
> I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.

As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.

Bruno

It can't be that bad!!!

One rack unit boxes have 5 little knobs on the left side: 1 for master volume and 4 for CCs. Those are 12-controller units.

The CS and P2500 have a volume knob and 16 controller knobs arranged in 4 rows of 4 columns. Those are 16-controller units.

Inspired by Bruno's report that his PK-6 is a 16-controller unit, I looked at a YouTube video for the PK-6. In addition to the master volume knob, the PK-6 has 4 CC knobs laid out on the panel in a right angle to 4 buttons. The 4 buttons determine the functioning of the 4 knobs.

In short, if you have 16 CC knobs, it is a 16-controller box; if you have 4 CC knobs and 4 buttons to select the CC knobs, it is also a 16-controller box.

However, if you have 4 CC knobs and have a little button that rotates through three states (A-D, E-H, and I-L), it is a 12-controller box.

Ta daaaaaaaaaaah.  :)

--- In xl7@...m, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm ... I'm getting a headache.
> 
> I think I'll put trying to figure this out on the back burner for a while.
> 
> DF
> 
>  
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> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Bruno <brunorc@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
>  
> 
>   
> 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
> > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.
> 
> As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
> 
> Bruno
>

You inspired me to look for a YouTube demo of the PK-6. Never having seen one before, I had no idea it used 4 knobs switched by 4 buttons to get 16 controllers--which clearly it does have!

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
> > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.
> 
> As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
> 
> Bruno
>

When using 12 control roms on 16 control devices, u can use 16 controls if you point additional controls to stuff in patchcords mode and save as a user preset. The factory presets on the 12 control roms start on 12 control mode. steve can probably explain this better.

Here's the real question: When a 12 controller preset is in a 16 controller unit, which of the 16 controllers replicate the original 12 from the preset? The first 12 of the 16? Or?

DF

 
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 From: Matt <somatt@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
 

  
When using 12 control roms on 16 control devices, u can use 16 controls if you point additional controls to stuff in patchcords mode and save as a user preset.  The factory presets on the 12 control roms start on 12 control mode.  steve can probably explain this better. 
On May 31, 2012 4:04 PM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

 
>  
>You inspired me to look for a YouTube demo of the PK-6. Never having seen one before, I had no idea it used 4 knobs switched by 4 buttons to get 16 controllers--which clearly it does have!
>
>Steve
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>>
>> 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
>> > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.
>> 
>> As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
>> 
>> Bruno
>>
>
>

I think the first 12
On May 31, 2012 4:28 PM, "D F Tweedie"; <bienpegaito@...>; wrote:
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>
>
> Here's the real question: When a 12 controller preset is in a 16 controller unit, which of the 16 controllers replicate the original 12 from the preset? The first 12 of the 16? Or?
>
> DF
>
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> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
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> When using 12 control roms on 16 control devices, u can use 16 controls if you point additional controls to stuff in patchcords mode and save as a user preset. The factory presets on the 12 control roms start on 12 control mode. steve can probably explain this better.
>; On May 31, 2012 4:04 PM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You inspired me to look for a YouTube demo of the PK-6. Never having seen one before, I had no idea it used 4 knobs switched by 4 buttons to get 16 controllers--which clearly it does have!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
>> >
>> > 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <;smw-mail@...>:
>> > > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.
>> >
>> > As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
>> >
>> > Bruno
>> >
>>
>
>
>

Your right! I was on top of it until the 2000 engine keyboards came up with 16 controls. How weird, really, that they differ from there rack relatives.

Marketing?

DF

 
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 From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:20 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
 

  
It can't be that bad!!!

One rack unit boxes have 5 little knobs on the left side: 1 for master volume and 4 for CCs. Those are 12-controller units.

The CS and P2500 have a volume knob and 16 controller knobs arranged in 4 rows of 4 columns. Those are 16-controller units.

Inspired by Bruno's report that his PK-6 is a 16-controller unit, I looked at a YouTube video for the PK-6. In addition to the master volume knob, the PK-6 has 4 CC knobs laid out on the panel in a right angle to 4 buttons. The 4 buttons determine the functioning of the 4 knobs.

In short, if you have 16 CC knobs, it is a 16-controller box; if you have 4 CC knobs and 4 buttons to select the CC knobs, it is also a 16-controller box.

However, if you have 4 CC knobs and have a little button that rotates through three states (A-D, E-H, and I-L), it is a 12-controller box.

Ta daaaaaaaaaaah.  :)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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> Hmmm ... I'm getting a headache.
> 
> I think I'll put trying to figure this out on the back burner for a while.
> 
> DF
> 
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>  From: Bruno <brunorc@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
> 
> 
>   
> 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
> > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.
> 
> As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
> 
> Bruno
>

Ahh ... I should have looked! You are correct as the little mode switch shows the first row of the matrix as A-D, same as on the Commands.

UPS brought me my eBay 'Launch-Pad' today. Looking forward to cracking a cold one and playing around with it.

I think it needs a deoxit bath, but that can wait for later.

DF

 
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 From: Matt <somatt@gmail.com>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
 

  
I think the first 12
On May 31, 2012 4:28 PM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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>  
>
> Here's the real question: When a 12 controller preset is in a 16 controller unit, which of the 16 controllers replicate the original 12 from the preset? The first 12 of the 16? Or?
>
> DF
>  
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> ________________________________
> From: Matt <somatt@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:12 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Substitute Rack for ROM?
>
>  
> When using 12 control roms on 16 control devices, u can use 16 controls if you point additional controls to stuff in patchcords mode and save as a user preset.  The factory presets on the 12 control roms start on 12 control mode.  steve can probably explain this better.
> On May 31, 2012 4:04 PM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>>
>>  
>> You inspired me to look for a YouTube demo of the PK-6. Never having seen one before, I had no idea it used 4 knobs switched by 4 buttons to get 16 controllers--which clearly it does have!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>:
>> > > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware configuration those have.
>> > 
>> > As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
>> > 
>> > Bruno
>> >
>>
>
>
>

Very true! It is the hardware and the OS that determine whether or not you can use MidiM, MidiN, MidiO, MidiP. 

If the factory presets on a specific ROM are designed for a 12-controller box, you can redefine anything in the preset and store the tweaked preset in User slots--including making use of MidiM --> MidiP.

I think you explained it well--just edit patchcords to make use of the additional controller options.

Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
> When using 12 control roms on 16 control devices, u can use 16 controls if
> you point additional controls to stuff in patchcords mode and save as a
> user preset.  The factory presets on the 12 control roms start on 12
> control mode.  steve can probably explain this better.
> On May 31, 2012 4:04 PM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > You inspired me to look for a YouTube demo of the PK-6. Never having seen
> > one before, I had no idea it used 4 knobs switched by 4 buttons to get 16
> > controllers--which clearly it does have!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 2012/5/30 steve_the_composer <smw-mail@>:
> > > > I have never seen a keyboard version, so I am not sure what cardware
> > configuration those have.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell looking at my PK-6, it uses 16 controllers.
> > >
> > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>