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Factory reset on Command Station patterns

Factory reset on Command Station patterns

2012-05-18 by intrepidpete

Can I do a factory reset on the patterns? I got an MP7 off eBay (wanted XL7 but it arrived DOA so I got MP7 instead and will look for XROM card) and all the user slots are filled with horrible-ness that hurts my ears. With presets, I figured out how to scroll past all the user banks to get to the factory presets (for both ROM cards) that sound good. But with patterns, it looks like maybe all the slots were user-editable because they are all horrible, no factory patterns.

If the answer is "no", then I will see if I can figure out eLoader to get good patterns back into the unit. But it sure would be a lot easier if there is some secret combination of held buttons that lets you just do a factory reset on the whole MP7.

Now that I think about it, are the user banks/slots on the Command Station or on the card(s)?

Re: [xl7] Factory reset on Command Station patterns

2012-05-18 by Michael Brien Lane


On May 18, 2012, at 6:57 AM, intrepidpete wrote:

 

Can I do a factory reset on the patterns? I got an MP7 off eBay (wanted XL7 but it arrived DOA so I got MP7 instead and will look for XROM card) and all the user slots are filled with horrible-ness that hurts my ears. With presets, I figured out how to scroll past all the user banks to get to the factory presets (for both ROM cards) that sound good. But with patterns, it looks like maybe all the slots were user-editable because they are all horrible, no factory patterns.

If the answer is "no", then I will see if I can figure out eLoader to get good patterns back into the unit. But it sure would be a lot easier if there is some secret combination of held buttons that lets you just do a factory reset on the whole MP7.

E-Loader is the only way to restore the factory patterns.

Now that I think about it, are the user banks/slots on the Command Station or on the card(s)?

Presets are burned into the sound ROM, but the user banks are in the Command Station itself. On the MP-7 the “factory” user presets are just duplicates of the ROM presets.

To do a complete initialization of the User memory, hold down both cursor keys while turning the MP on, and then in the diagnostics mode that comes up, go to option 16 “Initialize User Data” and hit Enter. When done, scroll to option 18 and hit Enter to reboot.


Mibrilane
mibrilane@...

Re: Factory reset on Command Station patterns

2012-05-21 by steve_the_composer

Some footnotes:
The MP-7 factory patterns & songs are in the files section.

If you want, you can insert empty patterns (using e-loader) and blank/default presets in each user slot. I saw some blank presets in the files section, but I am not sure if they have ROM IDs or patchcords embedded in them.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Michael Brien Lane <mibrilane@...> wrote:
>
> 
> On May 18, 2012, at 6:57 AM, intrepidpete wrote:
> 
> > Can I do a factory reset on the patterns? I got an MP7 off eBay (wanted XL7 but it arrived DOA so I got MP7 instead and will look for XROM card) and all the user slots are filled with horrible-ness that hurts my ears. With presets, I figured out how to scroll past all the user banks to get to the factory presets (for both ROM cards) that sound good. But with patterns, it looks like maybe all the slots were user-editable because they are all horrible, no factory patterns.
> > 
> > If the answer is "no", then I will see if I can figure out eLoader to get good patterns back into the unit. But it sure would be a lot easier if there is some secret combination of held buttons that lets you just do a factory reset on the whole MP7.
> > 
> E-Loader is the only way to restore the factory patterns.
> > Now that I think about it, are the user banks/slots on the Command Station or on the card(s)?
> > 
> Presets are burned into the sound ROM, but the user banks are in the Command Station itself. On the MP-7 the "factory" user presets are just duplicates of the ROM presets.
> 
> To do a complete initialization of the User memory, hold down both cursor keys while turning the MP on, and then in the diagnostics mode that comes up, go to option 16 "Initialize User Data" and hit Enter. When done, scroll to option 18 and hit Enter to reboot.
> 
> 
> Mibrilane
> mibrilane@...
>

Re: Factory reset - midi jumpered - Win98 midi interface - ZR card

2012-05-21 by intrepidpete

Thanks for the great info. I did a factory reset on everything. Now the user presets just have copies of MROM presets. Think I will take the advice of putting empties in all the user preset slots, so it will make it easier to figure out the next avail slot when I start making my own.

I did all the diagnostics available and am concerned that it says my "midi out has problems and may be jumpered". I think the diagnostic is bad because I have tested midi in and out and it seems fine to me. I was really glad to see the rotary encoder dials are fine - in my past experience with Emu gear, those were the weak points. Some of the buttons don't feel so great (no click down and back up action) but they still work when you hit them, so that's fine with me.

I will put all the factory patterns back once I get eLoader working. I am actually waiting on my M-Audio MidiSport Uno to arrive. I have an old Win98 laptop that I will keep permanently hooked up to my midi chain for doing SysEx and such. Ordered the Uno because it is the only midi interface I could find that still has old Win98 drivers avail.

I cannot figure out the MSB to use to get my sequencer to see the ZR card. The MSB for the MROM and ZROM banks are right in the manuals (I think it was 14 and 15), but I kept working my way up through all the MSBs up to 127 and it never seemed to see the ZR card, so I will have to do more experimenting with that. For now, I am just selecting the patch manually. The Perfect Piano in that ZR card is great, but the GM bank is blah. Why do GM banks always sound so bad? I mean the ZR card has nice piano, brass, string, and guitar waveforms, so why not use those for the GM bank so it would sound good? 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> Some footnotes:
> The MP-7 factory patterns & songs are in the files section.
> 
> If you want, you can insert empty patterns (using e-loader) and blank/default presets in each user slot. I saw some blank presets in the files section, but I am not sure if they have ROM IDs or patchcords embedded in them.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Michael Brien Lane <mibrilane@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On May 18, 2012, at 6:57 AM, intrepidpete wrote:
> > 
> > > Can I do a factory reset on the patterns? I got an MP7 off eBay (wanted XL7 but it arrived DOA so I got MP7 instead and will look for XROM card) and all the user slots are filled with horrible-ness that hurts my ears. With presets, I figured out how to scroll past all the user banks to get to the factory presets (for both ROM cards) that sound good. But with patterns, it looks like maybe all the slots were user-editable because they are all horrible, no factory patterns.
> > > 
> > > If the answer is "no", then I will see if I can figure out eLoader to get good patterns back into the unit. But it sure would be a lot easier if there is some secret combination of held buttons that lets you just do a factory reset on the whole MP7.
> > > 
> > E-Loader is the only way to restore the factory patterns.
> > > Now that I think about it, are the user banks/slots on the Command Station or on the card(s)?
> > > 
> > Presets are burned into the sound ROM, but the user banks are in the Command Station itself. On the MP-7 the "factory" user presets are just duplicates of the ROM presets.
> > 
> > To do a complete initialization of the User memory, hold down both cursor keys while turning the MP on, and then in the diagnostics mode that comes up, go to option 16 "Initialize User Data" and hit Enter. When done, scroll to option 18 and hit Enter to reboot.
> > 
> > 
> > Mibrilane
> > mibrilane@
> >
>

Re: [xl7] Factory reset - midi jumpered - Win98 midi interface - ZR card

2012-05-21 by Michael Brien Lane

MSB/LSB are displayed on the LCD  when you hit Audition.

On May 21, 2012, at 5:16 AM, intrepidpete wrote:

I cannot figure out the MSB to use to get my sequencer to see the ZR card. The MSB for the MROM and ZROM banks are right in the manuals (I think it was 14 and 15), but I kept working my way up through all the MSBs up to 127 and it never seemed to see the ZR card, so I will have to do more experimenting with that. For now, I am just selecting the patch manually. The Perfect Piano in that ZR card is great, but the GM bank is blah. Why do GM banks always sound so bad? I mean the ZR card has nice piano, brass, string, and guitar waveforms, so why not use those for the GM bank so it would sound good? 



Mibrilane
mibrilane@...

Re: [xl7] Re: Factory reset - midi jumpered - Win98 midi interface - ZR card

2012-05-21 by Bruno

2012/5/21 intrepidpete <peteflagg@...>:
> The Perfect Piano in that ZR card is great, but the GM bank is blah. Why do GM banks always sound so bad? I mean the ZR card has nice piano, brass, string, and guitar waveforms, so why not use those for the GM bank so it would sound good?

I think that the strategy for GM/XG banks is (was?) in most cases to
make a bunch of mediocre sound, but in a way they would always sound
good when mixed together in various combinations. It's like with
software - portability usually comes for a price of optimization.

The XG was an interesting case, there was a vivid community built
around it, mostly out of Yamaha MU50/90R and CS1x users. It produced a
heap of interesting tricks & SysEx incantations, trying to squeeze
some more serious sounds out of those boards. I recall a shock when I
brought my P2K home, and started tweaking my existing pieces to use
the E-mu sounds. Of course the XG standard was gone, but the sonic
reward was great...

Bruno

Re: Factory reset - midi jumpered - Win98 midi interface - ZR card

2012-05-22 by intrepidpete

I agree. XG sounds great with all the little "extras" like fret sounds and such, but of course it sounds bad if you are not using the correct XG voice with those "extras" mapped to the correct velocity layer or split or wherever they put them.

I always thought that should be part of GM, maybe GM3 - all the manufactures could agree on some voice patches that have the same velocity layers and determine which low or high octave will have all those "extras". Even better yet, have post-processing of a midi track and it would figure out where to put those "extras". You could not do it live, but again post-processing that would do something like "if nylon guitar and the difference between 2 notes would be farther than 3 frets, then add fret sound between those 2 notes", or "if 3 notes together and at end of measure, then strum them out and use the hard down-strum sounding layer", and if it was a standard like GM3, then the fret sound would always be in the top most octave, or 4th layer at velocity 127, or whatever, so it would always sound right as long as you had a GM3 compliant voice patch.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> 2012/5/21 intrepidpete <peteflagg@...>:
> > The Perfect Piano in that ZR card is great, but the GM bank is blah. Why do GM banks always sound so bad? I mean the ZR card has nice piano, brass, string, and guitar waveforms, so why not use those for the GM bank so it would sound good?
> 
> I think that the strategy for GM/XG banks is (was?) in most cases to
> make a bunch of mediocre sound, but in a way they would always sound
> good when mixed together in various combinations. It's like with
> software - portability usually comes for a price of optimization.
> 
> The XG was an interesting case, there was a vivid community built
> around it, mostly out of Yamaha MU50/90R and CS1x users. It produced a
> heap of interesting tricks & SysEx incantations, trying to squeeze
> some more serious sounds out of those boards. I recall a shock when I
> brought my P2K home, and started tweaking my existing pieces to use
> the E-mu sounds. Of course the XG standard was gone, but the sonic
> reward was great...
> 
> Bruno
>