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Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-11 by D F Tweedie

I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
 
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RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-11 by Andrew Mansfield

I'm pretty sure they are the same.  I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.  Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.  I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
 
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-11 by D F Tweedie

Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.� I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.� Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
�
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-11 by sam cooper

There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�;
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
 
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.  I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.  Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
�
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-11 by D F Tweedie

Sam ...

I wasn't clear what you meant by: "Level sound everything seems better."

Could you explain a little more?

Thanks.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.� I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.� Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
�
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by sam cooper

They play smoother, the sounds "levels" are more crisp.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ...

I wasn't clear what you meant by: "Level sound everything seems better."

Could you explain a little more?

Thanks.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�;
There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�
From: D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...>
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

 
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.� I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.� Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
�
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by sam cooper

Sorry, Im a speaker, not a writer :)
But�,
Here's what I have by emu.
Esi 2000 3.4 all cds.?
E�synth, 4.62 64 note poly "loaded with all emu cards banks." cds
E 5000 ultra, 4.7 64 note "same"
�Audity 2000, V.1 64 note poly
Proteus 1000, 2.26 64 note.
�Mp7 2.00,�; 128 note poly.� with"mp7 rom X rom"
�
�The mo phatt is 64 notes. The card that came with it, Has Different features than the mp7.�� �The banks are even Different.� Some Sounds get stuck... Some wont play?
�Triggers , Processors etc. all work different.�� The touch-strip. Kits vs. drums, Names of the knobs?"� Too many things are way different.
��I laughed at myself one day and said"why are you trying to get something that plays 64 notes. to read�something that reads 128 notes"
�
 So basically its best to�use ,The banks of the card and unit. Or...� The� same 1000 models together, 2000 models together�etc.
�
At times Ive loaded in banks, and one of the knobs lights, �would be on. Or, the save button flashes?
Until you reinitialize it.� The units play odd. "noise harsh sounds spikes at times Flat"
�This is what causes that midi error fail . If anyone had that happen before.
�
If you Still have it. Disconnect the unit.��midi cables and �power cord. ? re plug it in.And��run the auto cycle.�� Reboot and reload the multi set ups banks etc.� Good to go.
�
Other tips.
�
�If you have a rack mount, and lost the multi set ups an arps. Go to the audity page and download the multi set up from there."Steve may have it here"
�You cant do it from the command stations "download" because they have sequences patterns.�that wont load into the rack mounts.
�
I also�have�a... PX 7v.25 rom in my e 5000��� It reads as ,No Presets. Meaning "No Instruments". I only get the samples.�
� So the guy with the� PX 7 problem.... I really think you have a flash card. "bonus Keep that card"
�
A friend of mine....�just got the 32 mg�flash rom card�last week. We are going to figure out how those work ."sound authoring"This week coming up. I will explain them here for all.
�� Hope this helps.
�
From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
They play smoother, the sounds "levels" are more crisp.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ...

I wasn't clear what you meant by: "Level sound everything seems better."

Could you explain a little more?

Thanks.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.� I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.  Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
�
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by Michael Brien Lane

The samples are the same, but the presets are slightly different. The MP-7 seems to have more KIT presets and less BTS presets compared to the Phatt ROM.

I’ve been working (slowly) on isolating the presets on the Phatt ROM that aren’t on the MP-7 ROM to customize the translated bank (the Phatt presets re-worked for the MP-7 ROM). I did this many years ago for the Xtreme Lead 1 presets banks for the XL-7. I’ve got the printed preset list cross-referenced and duplicates crossed out, now I’ve got to actually manipulate presets. Another thing on the “to do” list...

On May 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:

 

I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF

Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by D F Tweedie

Sam ... I appreciate your help and am eager to hear how things go with the flash rom card ... you mean the ones you can burn from an Emulator, right?

Also, it is not clear to me when you are talking about the ROMs not playing nice if you are referring to a 2000/ 1000 ROM in a command station or a command station ROM in a 2000/ 1000.

I really can't understand why there would be any issues swapping between 2000 and 1000 modules, as they are the identical engine.

I'm still mystified as to whether there are different cards or whether the units read them differently to come up with the different display, i.e., 'Phatt' versus 'MP-7.'

I'm inclined to think that the cards are different, as I thought I understood that the presets are loaded from the card on boot.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

 
Sorry, Im a speaker, not a writer :)
But�,
Here's what I have by emu.
Esi 2000 3.4 all cds.?
E�synth, 4.62 64 note poly "loaded with all emu cards banks." cds
E�5000 ultra, 4.7 64 note "same"
 Audity 2000, V.1 64 note poly
Proteus 1000, 2.26 64 note.
�Mp7 2.00,� 128 note poly.� with"mp7 rom X rom"
�
�The mo phatt is 64 notes. The card that came with it, Has Different features than the mp7.�� �The banks are even Different.� Some Sounds get stuck... Some wont play?
�Triggers , Processors etc. all work different.�� The touch-strip. Kits vs. drums, Names of the knobs?"� Too many things are way different.
��I laughed at myself one day and said"why are you trying to get something that plays 64 notes. to read�something that reads 128 notes"
�
�So basically its best to�use ,The banks of the card and unit. Or...� The� same 1000 models together, 2000 models together�etc.
�
At times Ive loaded in banks, and one of the knobs lights, �would be on. Or, the save button flashes?
Until you reinitialize it.� The units play odd. "noise harsh sounds spikes at times Flat"
�This is what causes that midi error fail . If anyone had that happen before.
�
If you Still have it. Disconnect the unit.��midi cables and  power cord. ? re plug it in.And��run the auto cycle.�  Reboot and reload the multi set ups banks etc.� Good to go.
�
Other tips.
�
�If you have a rack mount, and lost the multi set ups an arps. Go to the audity page and download the multi set up from there."Steve may have it here"
�You cant do it from the command stations "download" because they have sequences patterns.�that wont load into the rack mounts.
�
I also�have�a... PX 7v.25 rom in my e 5000��� It reads as ,No Presets. Meaning "No Instruments". I only get the samples.�
��So the guy with the� PX 7 problem.... I really think you have a flash card. "bonus Keep that card"
�
A friend of mine....�just got the 32 mg�flash rom card�last week. We are going to figure out how those work ."sound authoring"This week coming up. I will explain them here for all.
�� Hope this helps.
�
From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
They play smoother, the sounds "levels" are more crisp.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ...

I wasn't clear what you meant by: "Level sound everything seems better."

Could you explain a little more?

Thanks.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.� I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.� Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by D F Tweedie

Thanks, Michael ...

So the cards are different then, as they have different presets, which are burned in the ROM, right?

I have Prodatum, so while I have the ROM from the Mo' Phat, I think I'll grab the presets off the ROM, save the Sysex and swap out the best ones in my User bank on my command station.

DF
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From: Michael Brien Lane
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
The samples are the same, but the presets are slightly different. The MP-7 seems to have more KIT presets and less BTS presets compared to the Phatt ROM.

I’ve been working (slowly) on isolating the presets on the Phatt ROM that aren’t on the MP-7 ROM to customize the translated bank (the Phatt presets re-worked for the MP-7 ROM). I did this many years ago for the Xtreme Lead 1 presets banks for the XL-7. I’ve got the printed preset list cross-referenced and duplicates crossed out, now I’ve got to actually manipulate presets. Another thing on the “to do” list...

On May 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:

�

I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF



Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by sam cooper

�Some cards are 16 meg others 32mb. All my cards are 32 except my audity 16.
�
The 1000s' are 64 note and Use�That flash prep. concept before you can update it to the latest OS.My command station is OS 2.00 My 1000 is 2.26 "its not always best to update"
 
My 1000 is updated But it still is not a 2000 I have to add the outs to read the subs.
�None of the updates for my 1000, will do what the update did for my command station.
�
�The 1000 with update Now, has a place to add arps. Ive loaded the arps from the Orbit 3. That works.... But I have to tweak a sound to make the arps work. Even the master arp settings.
�
�Cool So then I reinitialized it. unplugged and put My 5 bank X rom Card in it."the 1000" Since I cleared it out. the multi /arp set ups were gone.
�
So to fix my new problem, �I used Midi ox to upload the set up kits from my command station. It works. But the arps�Sound Flat. lock ups happened.�"save button flashed".�
�Cleared it out.... added My mp7 card. Auto cycle all that same thing.But this time the save button didn't light up. So I did load it right.
�
I did all the same thing an just used the Proteus card. Wow felt like I just got it out of the box.
�
The presets only load right in "If you have the units actual card. If not the card you have in you have to load the banks in one at a time. "copy banks part from the save buttons options"
�
My jd 800 an jd 990. have similar type issues. "New reads Old, Old cant Read New" .XP vista w7. same deal
�
�
�


Check me out!
From: D F Tweedie To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ... I appreciate your help and am eager to hear how things go with the flash rom card ... you mean the ones you can burn from an Emulator, right?

Also, it is not clear to me when you are talking about the ROMs not playing nice if you are referring to a 2000/ 1000 ROM in a command station or a command station ROM in a 2000/ 1000.

I really can't understand why there would be any issues swapping between 2000 and 1000 modules, as they are the identical engine.

I'm still mystified as to whether there are different cards or whether the units read them differently to come up with the different display, i.e., 'Phatt' versus 'MP-7.'

I'm inclined to think that the cards are different, as I thought I understood that the presets are loaded from the card on boot.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sorry, Im a speaker, not a writer :)
But�,
Here's what I have by emu.
Esi 2000 3.4 all cds.?
E�synth, 4.62 64 note poly "loaded with all emu cards banks." cds
E�5000 ultra, 4.7 64 note "same"
 Audity 2000, V.1 64 note poly
Proteus 1000, 2.26 64 note.
�Mp7 2.00,� 128 note poly.� with"mp7 rom X rom"
�
�The mo phatt is 64 notes. The card that came with it, Has Different features than the mp7.�� �The banks are even Different.  Some Sounds get stuck... Some wont play?
�Triggers , Processors etc. all work different.�� The touch-strip. Kits vs. drums, Names of the knobs?"� Too many things are way different.
��I laughed at myself one day and said"why are you trying to get something that plays 64 notes. to read�something that reads 128 notes"
 
�So basically its best to�use ,The banks of the card and unit. Or...  The� same 1000 models together, 2000 models together�etc.
�
At times Ive loaded in banks, and one of the knobs lights, �would be on. Or, the save button flashes?
Until you reinitialize it.� The units play odd. "noise harsh sounds spikes at times Flat"
�This is what causes that midi error fail . If anyone had that happen before.
 
If you Still have it. Disconnect the unit.��midi cables and �power cord. ? re plug it in.And��run the auto cycle.�� Reboot and reload the multi set ups banks etc.� Good to go.
 
Other tips.
�
�If you have a rack mount, and lost the multi set ups an arps. Go to the audity page and download the multi set up from there."Steve may have it here"
�You cant do it from the command stations "download" because they have sequences patterns.�that wont load into the rack mounts.
�
I also�have�a... PX 7v.25 rom in my e 5000��� It reads as ,No Presets. Meaning "No Instruments". I only get the samples.�
��So the guy with the  PX 7 problem.... I really think you have a flash card. "bonus Keep that card"
�
A friend of mine....�just got the 32 mg�flash rom card�last week. We are going to figure out how those work ."sound authoring"This week coming up. I will explain them here for all.
�� Hope this helps.
�
From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
They play smoother, the sounds "levels" are more crisp.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ...

I wasn't clear what you meant by: "Level sound everything seems better."

Could you explain a little more?

Thanks.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.�; I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.� Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
 
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by D F Tweedie

Thanks again, Sam ... but we should probably talk!

I think I'm getting you now. I think you are talking about issues between the p2000/ p1000 vs. the command station/ p2500.

AFAIK, the only differences between the p2000 and p1000 series is that the p2000 has an extra midi port, 2 extra ROM slots, subouts and S/PDIF out. They are both 64 voice and were last updated to OS 2.26.

The 128 voice Command Stations and P2500 have a different architecture and chip and were last updated to OS 2.00.

Those two OS are entirely different.

I also have a JD990 and I recall reading ... a Sound on Sound or Vintage Synth review? ... that while it is based upon the JD800 (which can be used for editing the JD990) the architecture is not identical and if may have different analog circuitry. I know for a fact that there are presets on the SR-JV80 04 Vintage Synth card that can only be accessed by the JD990 and not the JV or XV series.

The history of synths and ROMs is a fascinating and convoluted subject I only partially have my head around.

FWIW, the prices of the JD990 seem to be ascending again from the circa $300 to the circa $500 range.

DF


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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
�Some cards are 16 meg others 32mb. All my cards are 32 except my audity 16.
�
The 1000s' are 64 note and Use�That flash prep. concept before you can update it to the latest OS.My command station is OS 2.00 My 1000 is 2.26 "its not always best to update"
 
My 1000 is updated But it still is not a 2000 I have to add the outs to read the subs.
�None of the updates for my 1000, will do what the update did for my command station.
�
�The 1000 with update Now, has a place to add arps. Ive loaded the arps from the Orbit 3. That works.... But I have to tweak a sound to make the arps work. Even the master arp settings.
�
�Cool So then I reinitialized it. unplugged and put My 5 bank X rom Card in it."the 1000" Since I cleared it out. the multi /arp set ups were gone.
�
So to fix my new problem, �I used Midi ox to upload the set up kits from my command station. It works. But the arps�Sound Flat. lock ups happened.�"save button flashed".�
 Cleared it out.... added My mp7 card. Auto cycle all that same thing.But this time the save button didn't light up. So I did load it right.
�
I did all the same thing an just used the Proteus card. Wow felt like I just got it out of the box.
�;
The presets only load right in "If you have the units actual card. If not the card you have in you have to load the banks in one at a time. "copy banks part from the save buttons options"
�
My jd 800 an jd 990. have similar type issues. "New reads Old, Old cant Read New" .XP vista w7. same deal
�
�
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ... I appreciate your help and am eager to hear how things go with the flash rom card ... you mean the ones you can burn from an Emulator, right?

Also, it is not clear to me when you are talking about the ROMs not playing nice if you are referring to a 2000/ 1000 ROM in a command station or a command station ROM in a 2000/ 1000.

I really can't understand why there would be any issues swapping between 2000 and 1000 modules, as they are the identical engine.

I'm still mystified as to whether there are different cards or whether the units read them differently to come up with the different display, i.e., 'Phatt' versus 'MP-7.'

I'm inclined to think that the cards are different, as I thought I understood that the presets are loaded from the card on boot.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sorry, Im a speaker, not a writer :)
But�,
Here's what I have by emu.
Esi 2000 3.4 all cds.?
E�synth, 4.62 64 note poly "loaded with all emu cards banks." cds
E�5000 ultra, 4.7 64 note "same"
�Audity 2000, V.1 64 note poly
Proteus 1000, 2.26 64 note.
�Mp7 2.00,� 128 note poly.� with"mp7 rom X rom"
�
�The mo phatt is 64 notes. The card that came with it, Has Different features than the mp7.�� �The banks are even Different.  Some Sounds get stuck... Some wont play?
�Triggers , Processors etc. all work different.�� The touch-strip. Kits vs. drums, Names of the knobs?"� Too many things are way different.
��I laughed at myself one day and said"why are you trying to get something that plays 64 notes. to read�something that reads 128 notes"
 
�So basically its best to�use ,The banks of the card and unit. Or...� The� same 1000 models together, 2000 models together�etc.
�
At times Ive loaded in banks, and one of the knobs lights, �would be on. Or, the save button flashes?
Until you reinitialize it.� The units play odd. "noise harsh sounds spikes at times Flat"
�This is what causes that midi error fail . If anyone had that happen before.
�
If you Still have it. Disconnect the unit.��midi cables and �power cord. ? re plug it in.And��run the auto cycle.�  Reboot and reload the multi set ups banks etc.� Good to go.
�
Other tips.
�
�If you have a rack mount, and lost the multi set ups an arps. Go to the audity page and download the multi set up from there."Steve may have it here"
�You cant do it from the command stations "download" because they have sequences patterns.�that wont load into the rack mounts.
�
I also�have�a... PX 7v.25 rom in my e 5000��� It reads as ,No Presets. Meaning "No Instruments". I only get the samples.�
��So the guy with the� PX 7 problem.... I really think you have a flash card. "bonus Keep that card"
�
A friend of mine....�;just got the 32 mg�flash rom card�last week. We are going to figure out how those work ."sound authoring"This week coming up. I will explain them here for all.
�� Hope this helps.
�
From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
They play smoother, the sounds "levels" are more crisp.
�
From: D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...>
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Sam ...

I wasn't clear what you meant by: "Level sound everything seems better."

Could you explain a little more?

Thanks.

DF
�
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From: sam cooper
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
There is a few sounds that get stuck in my MP7 when I load the mo phatt bank or the mk6 bank. I think the cards work better when you load their own banks. Level sound everything seems better.
But it reads my Proteus an xl7 card. no problem.
�
From: D F Tweedie
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
Thanks, Andrew ...

Well, I guess I'm about to find out ... I just bought a pretty inexpensive 'Mo Phatt' on line, basically to get the rack ears. Since I have a ROM in my PX-7 that displays 'MP-7,' I'll get to compare them.

I am thinking about putting an extra Beat Garden ROM in the 'Mo Phat' and selling it on without the ears.

DF
�
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From: Andrew Mansfield
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
I'm pretty sure they are the same.� I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.  Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.� I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
�
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Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by Michael Brien Lane

The patches on one are not necessarily directly compatible with the other - they reference the ROM ID. The samples are the same, but the ROM IDs are different. A patch for the Phatt ROM will be looking for the Phatt ROM’s samples and will not find them if you only have the MP-7 ROM.

Someone has already gone through the trouble of converting the Phatt presets to work with the MP-7 ROM by changing the ROM ID - just download those and cobble together your favorites.

On May 12, 2012, at 1:33 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:

 

Thanks, Michael ...

So the cards are different then, as they have different presets, which are burned in the ROM, right?

I have Prodatum, so while I have the ROM from the Mo' Phat, I think I'll grab the presets off the ROM, save the Sysex and swap out the best ones in my User bank on my command station.

DF
 
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From: Michael Brien Lane <mibrilane@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

 
The samples are the same, but the presets are slightly different. The MP-7 seems to have more KIT presets and less BTS presets compared to the Phatt ROM.

I’ve been working (slowly) on isolating the presets on the Phatt ROM that aren’t on the MP-7 ROM to customize the translated bank (the Phatt presets re-worked for the MP-7 ROM). I did this many years ago for the Xtreme Lead 1 presets banks for the XL-7. I’ve got the printed preset list cross-referenced and duplicates crossed out, now I’ve got to actually manipulate presets. Another thing on the “to do” list...

On May 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:

 

I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF





Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-12 by D F Tweedie

Thanks, Michael,

I still cannot get my head all the way around this, but I'll d/l the info, presumably in the files section, and try to figure it out.

DF

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From: Michael Brien Lane
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
The patches on one are not necessarily directly compatible with the other - they reference the ROM ID. The samples are the same, but the ROM IDs are different. A patch for the Phatt ROM will be looking for the Phatt ROM’s samples and will not find them if you only have the MP-7 ROM.

Someone has already gone through the trouble of converting the Phatt presets to work with the MP-7 ROM by changing the ROM ID - just download those and cobble together your favorites.

On May 12, 2012, at 1:33 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:

�

Thanks, Michael ...

So the cards are different then, as they have different presets, which are burned in the ROM, right?

I have Prodatum, so while I have the ROM from the Mo' Phat, I think I'll grab the presets off the ROM, save the Sysex and swap out the best ones in my User bank on my command station.

DF
�
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From: Michael Brien Lane <mibrilane@cox.net>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

�
The samples are the same, but the presets are slightly different. The MP-7 seems to have more KIT presets and less BTS presets compared to the Phatt ROM.

I’ve been working (slowly) on isolating the presets on the Phatt ROM that aren’t on the MP-7 ROM to customize the translated bank (the Phatt presets re-worked for the MP-7 ROM). I did this many years ago for the Xtreme Lead 1 presets banks for the XL-7. I’ve got the printed preset list cross-referenced and duplicates crossed out, now I’ve got to actually manipulate presets. Another thing on the “to do” list...

On May 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:

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I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF







Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-14 by Michael Brien Lane

All of the keyboard versions of the ROMs have an additional bank for a total of 640 presets (instead of 512). There are 3 versions of the Phatt ROM:

Phatt = ROM from the original Mo’Phatt and Turbo Phatt modules
MP-7 = ROM from the MP-7 Command Station, same samples but slightly different presets.
MK-6 = ROM from the MK-6 keyboard, has an additional bank of presets. I believe (unverified) that a good chunk of that additional bank are the BTS presets that were on the Phatt ROM but replaced on the MP-7 ROM.

Other keyboard versions are:
Halo (QROM - 5 bank version of Sounds of the ZR)
XL-7 (XLead V2 - 5 bank version of XL-7)
PK-6 (Proteus Pop Collection - 5 bank version of Composer)

You can tell the earlier ROMs from the later ROMs by the naming of the presets - E-mu simplified the preset name prefix system to eliminate most of the sub-categories.

On May 11, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Mansfield wrote:

 

I'm pretty sure they are the same.  I found a very cheap MK-6 on ebay awhile back and thought I'd use it, but it was way to big to fit in my setup... so I ended up yanking the ROM out and putting it in my XL-7.  Anyway, in the users manual for the MK-6 it mentions that the ROM is the same as the MP-7, and that the only differences to the systems basically are trading a keyboard for a sequencer.  I do remember reading somewhere awhile back that there were 2 runs of Phatt roms, and that the much more common More Phatt had the same content as Phatt, but contained many more samples than the first Phatts did.

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: bienpegaito@...
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?



I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?

I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.

DF
 
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Re: Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-14 by steve_the_composer

I am picking up on your "now I've got to actually manipulate presets" comments.

As you may recall, over the years I have been very slowly working on a utility I call Syxer. The first functionality was to display data in bulk data dumps of E-Mu presets (*.syx files). There is mode where I can change the ROM IDs for all 128 presets in the file.

Syxer does not try to figure out arp, riff, or patchcord subsitutions. Those would be necessary to automate more useful conversions. However, in order to do this, substitution tables and algorithms need to be developed.

I am guessing that perhaps your manipulation of presets might lead to such a substitution table. If so, and if you are interested, let me know.

I mention this because I imagine that rather than hand changing banks of presets, once you figure out the changes that are needed, the whole process can be automated.

Right now the output file of a ROM ID Change is the exact same size as the original. I suppose I could develop something that would display the name of each preset in a bank, ask if the user wants to include that in an output file, and then build a bank with just those presets selected.

I have to warn you, though, this started out as a command line/chose a letter for each step you want to do, non-GUI based program. I compiled it to work in windows, but it is by no means a slick program. It does what I ask it to and I know how to build functionality into it.

Anyhow, let me know if you think it might be worthwhile to automate some of what you are doing by hand.

Steve




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Michael Brien Lane <mibrilane@...> wrote:
>
> The samples are the same, but the presets are slightly different. The MP-7 seems to have more KIT presets and less BTS presets compared to the Phatt ROM.
> 
> I've been working (slowly) on isolating the presets on the Phatt ROM that aren't on the MP-7 ROM to customize the translated bank (the Phatt presets re-worked for the MP-7 ROM). I did this many years ago for the Xtreme Lead 1 presets banks for the XL-7. I've got the printed preset list cross-referenced and duplicates crossed out, now I've got to actually manipulate presets. Another thing on the "to do" list...
> 
> On May 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?
> > 
> > I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.
> > 
> > DF
>

Re: Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-14 by steve_the_composer

I have never had any of the MP ROM variants, but I assume that they are like the XL ROM variants and the Composer ROM variants--same ROM Instuments in the same order for each in a familiy of variant, but different resources--presets, arps, riffs.

The idea behind the CRC inspired table was to compile a list of the variant ROMs and the different resources on each (based on numbers--number of banks, arps, bts riffs, controllers assumed, etc.) as well as the different ways of identifying them (display name, CRC, etc.).

Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Michael ...
> 
> So the cards are different then, as they have different presets, which are burned in the ROM, right?
> 
> I have Prodatum, so while I have the ROM from the Mo' Phat, I think I'll grab the presets off the ROM, save the Sysex and swap out the best ones in my User bank on my command station.
> 
> DF
> 
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>   
> The samples are the same, but the presets are slightly different. The MP-7 seems to have more KIT presets and less BTS presets compared to the Phatt ROM.
> 
> I’ve been working (slowly) on isolating the presets on the Phatt ROM that aren’t on the MP-7 ROM to customize the translated bank (the Phatt presets re-worked for the MP-7 ROM). I did this many years ago for the Xtreme Lead 1 presets banks for the XL-7. I’ve got the printed preset list cross-referenced and duplicates crossed out, now I’ve got to actually manipulate presets. Another thing on the “to do” list...
> 
> On May 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, D F Tweedie wrote:
> 
>   
> >
> >
> >I read that the Mo' Phatt, MP-7 and MK-6 all have the same 'pure phatt' module. Is this correct including presets and all?
> >
> >
> >I noticed that a chart I have states that the MP-7 and Mo' Phatt ROMS have different display, i.e., 'MP-7' and 'Phatt,' so it made me wonder if the content is all the same.
> >
> >
> >DF
> >
>

Re: [xl7] Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-15 by Michael Brien Lane

That program sounds interesting, but what I meant by manipulating presets is really just moving the Phatt presets that are unique to that ROM into a contiguous block, hopefully it will come out to a full bank. I won’t need to do any actual editing of the patches, as E-mu already has a conversion of the Phatt presets for the MP-7 ROM where all of that stuff has already been done. I worked it out on paper several months ago, but of course now that I’m writing about it, I can’t seem to find my list. Sigh.

On May 14, 2012, at 12:21 PM, steve_the_composer wrote:

 

I am picking up on your "now I've got to actually manipulate presets" comments.

As you may recall, over the years I have been very slowly working on a utility I call Syxer. The first functionality was to display data in bulk data dumps of E-Mu presets (*.syx files). There is mode where I can change the ROM IDs for all 128 presets in the file.

Syxer does not try to figure out arp, riff, or patchcord subsitutions. Those would be necessary to automate more useful conversions. However, in order to do this, substitution tables and algorithms need to be developed.

I am guessing that perhaps your manipulation of presets might lead to such a substitution table. If so, and if you are interested, let me know.

I mention this because I imagine that rather than hand changing banks of presets, once you figure out the changes that are needed, the whole process can be automated.

Right now the output file of a ROM ID Change is the exact same size as the original. I suppose I could develop something that would display the name of each preset in a bank, ask if the user wants to include that in an output file, and then build a bank with just those presets selected.

I have to warn you, though, this started out as a command line/chose a letter for each step you want to do, non-GUI based program. I compiled it to work in windows, but it is by no means a slick program. It does what I ask it to and I know how to build functionality into it.

Anyhow, let me know if you think it might be worthwhile to automate some of what you are doing by hand.

Steve


Re: Are Mo' Phatt and MP-7 ROMs identical?

2012-05-15 by steve_the_composer

Sounds good (except for having to search for the list). Thanks for clarifying.  The Phatt/MP-7 conversion sounds like what they did to make the P2K composer presets for the P2500 composer ROM.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Michael Brien Lane <mibrilane@...> wrote:
>
> That program sounds interesting, but what I meant by manipulating presets is really just moving the Phatt presets that are unique to that ROM into a contiguous block, hopefully it will come out to a full bank. I won't need to do any actual editing of the patches, as E-mu already has a conversion of the Phatt presets for the MP-7 ROM where all of that stuff has already been done. I worked it out on paper several months ago, but of course now that I'm writing about it, I can't seem to find my list. Sigh.