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Identifying ROM differences

Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-25 by antithetical2

Hi all,

I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards.  It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM.  So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!

However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?

On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for?  This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?

Thanks so much!

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-25 by antithetical2

One other thing, sorry.  Maybe the question is to ask if there's a comprehensive list of ROMs.  I've looked around but haven't been able to spot one.  I've seen lists, but they don't seem complete.  Thanks again.

Re: [xl7] Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-25 by D F Tweedie

Congrats! You're a lucky man.

The XL-2 is the the ROM from the XK-6 Keyboard. It contains all of the XL-7 plus a 5th bank of extra sounds.

The two ROMs, both hard to find and pricey, known for piano are the 'Sounds of the ZR,' which includes the William Coakley's 'Perfect Piano' ported over from the ensoniq EXP-4 board and a GM bank, or the 'Holy Grail' piano card.

I'd be more envious of you if I hadn't had a similar recent experience where I bought an Ensoniq MR Rack of off eBay and opened it to find both the 'Real World' and 'Urban Dance Project' boards installed.

DF
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From: antithetical2 <;mthomas@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:58 AM
Subject: [xl7] Identifying ROM differences

Hi all,

I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!

However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?

On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?

Thanks so much!



Re: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-25 by D F Tweedie

I hope these attachments come through. One is a dupe, but the MS Word doc is easier to read than the txt file.

DF
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From: antithetical2
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

One other thing, sorry. Maybe the question is to ask if there's a comprehensive list of ROMs. I've looked around but haven't been able to spot one. I've seen lists, but they don't seem complete. Thanks again.



Re: [xl7] Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-26 by Matt

Finding extra roms is the best!

On Apr 25, 2012 9:59 AM, "antithetical2" <mthomas@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!

However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?

On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?

Thanks so much!

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-26 by oldtimemidi

I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
I use them both in live performances and in recording.
The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet  tone.
I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
  http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus      that fix some issues in the in the patches.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" <mthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards.  It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM.  So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> 
> However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> 
> On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for?  This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> 
> Thanks so much!
>

RE: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-27 by Mark Thomas

Thanks for the input, that\u2019s great.� I\u2019m a fan of darker more moody pianos.� I\u2019m sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.� But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?� Thanks again!

From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
I use them both in live performances and in recording.
The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
>
> However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
>
> On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
>
> Thanks so much!
>

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-28 by steve_the_composer

The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.

I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM. 

I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have. 

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas <mthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input, that's great.  I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos.  I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.  But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?  Thanks again!
> 
> From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> 
> 
> 
> I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com<mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> >
> > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> >
> > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> >
>

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-28 by steve_the_composer

Correction: The P2500 group does not have audio clips of all of the presets. There are some audio files (mp3s) of some presets and sequences (including one piano preset and several patterns that have pianos).

I have a basic P2K composer ROM in my P2500 and will try to make a quick mp3 of the keyboard presets.

Hmmmmm. Evidently epr is out of the P2K ROMs.

Steve




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.
> 
> I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM. 
> 
> I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas <mthomas@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the input, that's great.  I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos.  I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.  But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?  Thanks again!
> > 
> > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> > I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> > The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> > I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> > I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> > If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> > http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com<mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> > >
> > > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> > >
> > > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> > >
> > > Thanks so much!
> > >
> >
>

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-28 by steve_the_composer

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/TEMP/

I created a temp folder in the files section in case you want to hear some composer ROM acoustic pianos. There is an rtf file that gives you an idea on what the files contain.  Note: they are quick and dirty "press-audition-and-record" demos; no production to equalize volume differences between the presets.

Hope these help you select a ROM for your piano sounds. It didn't sound like you wanted a perfect piano; so, here are some other options.

Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> Correction: The P2500 group does not have audio clips of all of the presets. There are some audio files (mp3s) of some presets and sequences (including one piano preset and several patterns that have pianos).
> 
> I have a basic P2K composer ROM in my P2500 and will try to make a quick mp3 of the keyboard presets.
> 
> Hmmmmm. Evidently epr is out of the P2K ROMs.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.
> > 
> > I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM. 
> > 
> > I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have. 
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas <mthomas@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the input, that's great.  I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos.  I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.  But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?  Thanks again!
> > > 
> > > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> > > I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> > > The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> > > I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> > > I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> > > If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> > > http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com<mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> > > >
> > > > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> > > >
> > > > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks so much!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-04-30 by antithetical2

Finally getting a chance to listen now. Thanks so much!  Everyone's feedback has been very useful.

I liked the Composer ROM, the dynamic Grand and the CP80 (always wanted a CP).  A few others sounded good too.

Does the Composer ROM function well as a standalone?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/TEMP/
> 
> I created a temp folder in the files section in case you want to hear some composer ROM acoustic pianos. There is an rtf file that gives you an idea on what the files contain.  Note: they are quick and dirty "press-audition-and-record" demos; no production to equalize volume differences between the presets.
> 
> Hope these help you select a ROM for your piano sounds. It didn't sound like you wanted a perfect piano; so, here are some other options.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > Correction: The P2500 group does not have audio clips of all of the presets. There are some audio files (mp3s) of some presets and sequences (including one piano preset and several patterns that have pianos).
> > 
> > I have a basic P2K composer ROM in my P2500 and will try to make a quick mp3 of the keyboard presets.
> > 
> > Hmmmmm. Evidently epr is out of the P2K ROMs.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.
> > > 
> > > I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM. 
> > > 
> > > I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have. 
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the input, that's great.  I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos.  I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.  But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?  Thanks again!
> > > > 
> > > > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> > > > I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> > > > The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> > > > I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> > > > I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> > > > If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> > > > http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com<mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> > > > >
> > > > > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> > > > >
> > > > > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks so much!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-01 by steve_the_composer

By "stand alone" I assume you are asking if someone could be happy with just the Composer ROM. It really depends on what kind of music you are doing.

The P2K came with the P2K version of the composer ROM. The P2500 version has the same samples (ROM Instruments). These have been restructured to create different factory presets in the P2500 version. I believe there is a keyboard version of the ROM, too. The composer ROM does not have beats riffs on it. I think it also predates arps, although OS 2.00 give you space for user arps (ones that are not on the ROM SIMM).

The factory presets have been described as bread and butter sounds--there is quite a variety of good sounds. But depending on the kind of music, you might want other ROMS.

I posted the samples of the pianos to demo alternatives to the "Perfect Piano." The instrument ROM and preset lists for the ROMs that were originally released in E-Mu boxes (P2K, P2500, XL-1, XL-7, etc.) can be found in the back of their respective manual. I thought there were listings of the contents of other ROMS somewhere (not sure, though).

Keep in mind that the E-Mu P2k synth engine is quite powerful and flexible. If you take the time to learn it, you can go way beyond the factory presets.

Somewhere people have written up descriptive overviews. Those might be helpful in deciding which one is best for you.

Hope this helps.

Steve 

 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" <mthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Finally getting a chance to listen now. Thanks so much!  Everyone's feedback has been very useful.
> 
> I liked the Composer ROM, the dynamic Grand and the CP80 (always wanted a CP).  A few others sounded good too.
> 
> Does the Composer ROM function well as a standalone?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/TEMP/
> > 
> > I created a temp folder in the files section in case you want to hear some composer ROM acoustic pianos. There is an rtf file that gives you an idea on what the files contain.  Note: they are quick and dirty "press-audition-and-record" demos; no production to equalize volume differences between the presets.
> > 
> > Hope these help you select a ROM for your piano sounds. It didn't sound like you wanted a perfect piano; so, here are some other options.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Correction: The P2500 group does not have audio clips of all of the presets. There are some audio files (mp3s) of some presets and sequences (including one piano preset and several patterns that have pianos).
> > > 
> > > I have a basic P2K composer ROM in my P2500 and will try to make a quick mp3 of the keyboard presets.
> > > 
> > > Hmmmmm. Evidently epr is out of the P2K ROMs.
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.
> > > > 
> > > > I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM. 
> > > > 
> > > > I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have. 
> > > > 
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the input, that's great.  I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos.  I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.  But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?  Thanks again!
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> > > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> > > > > I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> > > > > The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> > > > > I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> > > > > I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> > > > > If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> > > > > http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com<mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks so much!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-01 by Tom J

Here's a link to vintage synth, p2k page, if you want to see all of them? just click on the Synths-Browse the gear tab, then Emu.
Happy hunting.
TOMTEL

From: steve_the_composer
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:54 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

By "stand alone" I assume you are asking if someone could be happy with just the Composer ROM. It really depends on what kind of music you are doing.

The P2K came with the P2K version of the composer ROM. The P2500 version has the same samples (ROM Instruments). These have been restructured to create different factory presets in the P2500 version. I believe there is a keyboard version of the ROM, too. The composer ROM does not have beats riffs on it. I think it also predates arps, although OS 2.00 give you space for user arps (ones that are not on the ROM SIMM).

The factory presets have been described as bread and butter sounds--there is quite a variety of good sounds. But depending on the kind of music, you might want other ROMS.

I posted the samples of the pianos to demo alternatives to the "Perfect Piano." The instrument ROM and preset lists for the ROMs that were originally released in E-Mu boxes (P2K, P2500, XL-1, XL-7, etc.) can be found in the back of their respective manual. I thought there were listings of the contents of other ROMS somewhere (not sure, though).

Keep in mind that the E-Mu P2k synth engine is quite powerful and flexible. If you take the time to learn it, you can go way beyond the factory presets.

Somewhere people have written up descriptive overviews. Those might be helpful in deciding which one is best for you.

Hope this helps.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" wrote:
>
> Finally getting a chance to listen now. Thanks so much! Everyone's feedback has been very useful.
>
> I liked the Composer ROM, the dynamic Grand and the CP80 (always wanted a CP). A few others sounded good too.
>
> Does the Composer ROM function well as a standalone?
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> >
> >; http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/TEMP/
> >
> > I created a temp folder in the files section in case you want to hear some composer ROM acoustic pianos. There is an rtf file that gives you an idea on what the files contain. Note: they are quick and dirty "press-audition-and-record" demos; no production to equalize volume differences between the presets.
> >
> > Hope these help you select a ROM for your piano sounds. It didn't sound like you wanted a perfect piano; so, here are some other options.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Correction: The P2500 group does not have audio clips of all of the presets. There are some audio files (mp3s) of some presets and sequences (including one piano preset and several patterns that have pianos).
> > >
> > > I have a basic P2K composer ROM in my P2500 and will try to make a quick mp3 of the keyboard presets.
> > >
> > > Hmmmmm. Evidently epr is out of the P2K ROMs.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" > > > >
> > > > The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM.
> > > >
> > > > I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the input, that's great. I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos. I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright. But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way? Thanks again!
> > > > >
> > > > > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> > > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> > > > > I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> > > > > The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> > > > > I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> > > > > I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> > > > > If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> > > > > http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks so much!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-01 by antithetical2

Thanks for the info Steve.  I Guess I should have clarified.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs.  I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs.  That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.

As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet.  I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.

I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> By "stand alone" I assume you are asking if someone could be happy with just the Composer ROM. It really depends on what kind of music you are doing.
> 
> The P2K came with the P2K version of the composer ROM. The P2500 version has the same samples (ROM Instruments). These have been restructured to create different factory presets in the P2500 version. I believe there is a keyboard version of the ROM, too. The composer ROM does not have beats riffs on it. I think it also predates arps, although OS 2.00 give you space for user arps (ones that are not on the ROM SIMM).
> 
> The factory presets have been described as bread and butter sounds--there is quite a variety of good sounds. But depending on the kind of music, you might want other ROMS.
> 
> I posted the samples of the pianos to demo alternatives to the "Perfect Piano." The instrument ROM and preset lists for the ROMs that were originally released in E-Mu boxes (P2K, P2500, XL-1, XL-7, etc.) can be found in the back of their respective manual. I thought there were listings of the contents of other ROMS somewhere (not sure, though).
> 
> Keep in mind that the E-Mu P2k synth engine is quite powerful and flexible. If you take the time to learn it, you can go way beyond the factory presets.
> 
> Somewhere people have written up descriptive overviews. Those might be helpful in deciding which one is best for you.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Steve 
> 
>  
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> >
> > Finally getting a chance to listen now. Thanks so much!  Everyone's feedback has been very useful.
> > 
> > I liked the Composer ROM, the dynamic Grand and the CP80 (always wanted a CP).  A few others sounded good too.
> > 
> > Does the Composer ROM function well as a standalone?
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/TEMP/
> > > 
> > > I created a temp folder in the files section in case you want to hear some composer ROM acoustic pianos. There is an rtf file that gives you an idea on what the files contain.  Note: they are quick and dirty "press-audition-and-record" demos; no production to equalize volume differences between the presets.
> > > 
> > > Hope these help you select a ROM for your piano sounds. It didn't sound like you wanted a perfect piano; so, here are some other options.
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Correction: The P2500 group does not have audio clips of all of the presets. There are some audio files (mp3s) of some presets and sequences (including one piano preset and several patterns that have pianos).
> > > > 
> > > > I have a basic P2K composer ROM in my P2500 and will try to make a quick mp3 of the keyboard presets.
> > > > 
> > > > Hmmmmm. Evidently epr is out of the P2K ROMs.
> > > > 
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The composer ROM has piano samples and presets. I don't know if eprelectronics still has them for $50, but that might meet your needs. I believe Francois at the P2500 user group posted audio files of all the presets, so you could give them a listen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe the one from epr is the basic P2K ROM with 8 banks of basic P2K presets, no beats, etc. However, the ROM instruments are the same as the P2500 version of the Composer ROM. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I do believe there are more keyboard presets on the P2K ROM, but you can convert any of the P2500 presets to work with that ROM--either by hand or with a utility I have. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thomas <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the input, that's great.  I'm a fan of darker more moody pianos.  I'm sure I could easily modify that via the filter if the timbre is too bright.  But I suppose it helps to ask, is one better than the other in that way?  Thanks again!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oldtimemidi
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> > > > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have both the Holy Grail piano rom and the Sounds of the ZR (5 bank Halo version) that I use for pianos.
> > > > > > I use them both in live performances and in recording.
> > > > > > The Sounds of the ZR (Perfect pianos) have a real sweet tone.
> > > > > > I prefer the Holy Grail pianos more for rock as they really cut thru the mix.
> > > > > > I have two p2000 series synths that include above roms as well as the composer rom, b3 rom and extreme lead rom and am extremely happy with my setup.
> > > > > > If you do purchase the Sounds of the ZR rom with the perfect pianos, there are some updates that are listed on William Coakley's site at
> > > > > > http://www.williamcoakley.com/proteus that fix some issues in the in the patches.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com<mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bought a PX7 and when I installed Podatum I was surprised to discover that it has two extra ROM cards. It has the Drum ROM, of course, but also the MO'Phatt ROM and the Extreme Leads ROM. So it's like a PX7/XL7/MP7 in one. I don't think the seller knew that, I didn't either for a few months...duh!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However the Leads ROM is listed as XL-2 in the PX7 interface and in Podatum. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are there differences, if so what are they and how do I spot them?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On a related note, to fill that last ROM slot what card should I look for? This will be primarily used as a drum machine/sequencer sitting next to an Ensoniq TS-12 in my 'scratch pad' area. However, I don't like the piano on the TS, is there a good piano sound on any Emu ROMs?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks so much!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-01 by steve_the_composer

Thanks for clarifying; that makes sense. The Orbit 3 came with 2 ROMS (Beat Garden and Techno Synth Construction Yard). I am not sure if factory the presets required both, but I have seen people talking about have one or the other as an additional ROM in the E-Mu box. I am pretty sure that the Virtuoso 2000 had presets that required both Orchestral Session ROMS; I remember people saying that. Although I do believe some people have said they had one or the other.

As for patch cords, I have long thought about doing a tutorial of some type and finally last week, I created a series of 8 presets that demo preset building using patch cords, one step at a time, starting with zero cords, setting up the sustain pedal and then building something simple but with some sonic complexity.  I am hoping that over the summer I can develop and fine tune some more "from the ground up" teaching presets and put them into a presentation.

Along the way, I might post the various steps with some basic text by way of a simple explanation for people to try and perhaps make suggestions for other tutorials, variations, etc.

Steve



 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" <mthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Steve.  I Guess I should have clarified.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs.  I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs.  That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.
> 
> As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet.  I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.
> 
> I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.

Re: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-01 by D F Tweedie

Steve ...

I own Emulator X3. The manual has a lot of helpful information and colorful graphic diagrams on patch cords. It is also a hyperlinked manual, so it's a lot easier to navigate than PDF copies of most E-mu modules' manuals. There is also a Emulator 2 Advanced Applications Guide that I downloaded when I got Emulator X3 with some great tutorials on patching.

While these are guides to the software, I believe much of the architecture was preserved from the patch cord systems used in hardware.

I was thinking about uploading these manual to the Files section, as I think they might be helpful for those trying to learn about patch cords.

What do you think?

DF
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From: steve_the_composer
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

Thanks for clarifying; that makes sense. The Orbit 3 came with 2 ROMS (Beat Garden and Techno Synth Construction Yard). I am not sure if factory the presets required both, but I have seen people talking about have one or the other as an additional ROM in the E-Mu box. I am pretty sure that the Virtuoso 2000 had presets that required both Orchestral Session ROMS; I remember people saying that. Although I do believe some people have said they had one or the other.

As for patch cords, I have long thought about doing a tutorial of some type and finally last week, I created a series of 8 presets that demo preset building using patch cords, one step at a time, starting with zero cords, setting up the sustain pedal and then building something simple but with some sonic complexity. I am hoping that over the summer I can develop and fine tune some more "from the ground up" teaching presets and put them into a presentation.

Along the way, I might post the various steps with some basic text by way of a simple explanation for people to try and perhaps make suggestions for other tutorials, variations, etc.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Steve. I Guess I should have clarified. I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs. I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs. That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.
>
> As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet. I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.
>
> I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.



Re: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-02 by Mark Thomas

That would be excellent! Thanks!

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-----Original message-----
From: D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@yahoo.com>
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com" <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 23:16:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

 

Steve ...

I own Emulator X3. The manual has a lot of helpful information and colorful graphic diagrams on patch cords. It is also a hyperlinked manual, so it's a lot easier to navigate than PDF copies of most E-mu modules' manuals. There is also a Emulator 2 Advanced Applications Guide that I downloaded when I got Emulator X3 with some great tutorials on patching.

While these are guides to the software, I believe much of the architecture was preserved from the patch cord systems used in hardware.

I was thinking about uploading these manual to the Files section, as I think they might be helpful for those trying to learn about patch cords.

What do you think?

DF
 
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From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@prodigy.net>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

 
Thanks for clarifying; that makes sense. The Orbit 3 came with 2 ROMS (Beat Garden and Techno Synth Construction Yard). I am not sure if factory the presets required both, but I have seen people talking about have one or the other as an additional ROM in the E-Mu box. I am pretty sure that the Virtuoso 2000 had presets that required both Orchestral Session ROMS; I remember people saying that. Although I do believe some people have said they had one or the other.

As for patch cords, I have long thought about doing a tutorial of some type and finally last week, I created a series of 8 presets that demo preset building using patch cords, one step at a time, starting with zero cords, setting up the sustain pedal and then building something simple but with some sonic complexity. I am hoping that over the summer I can develop and fine tune some more "from the ground up" teaching presets and put them into a presentation.

Along the way, I might post the various steps with some basic text by way of a simple explanation for people to try and perhaps make suggestions for other tutorials, variations, etc.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" <mthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Steve. I Guess I should have clarified. I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs. I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs. That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.
>
> As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet. I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.
>
> I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.



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Re: Identifying ROM differences

2012-05-02 by antithetical2

That's great!  I just nabbed them.  I'll take a look a little later today.

For the record I have read most of the PX7 manual and I have written my own patches, I just haven't dived into the patchcord portion.

Thanks again!

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
> Steve ...
> 
> I own Emulator X3. The manual has a lot of helpful information and colorful graphic diagrams on patch cords. It is also a hyperlinked manual, so it's a lot easier to navigate than PDF copies of most E-mu modules' manuals. There is also a Emulator 2 Advanced Applications Guide that I downloaded when I got Emulator X3 with some great tutorials on patching.
> 
> While these are guides to the software, I believe much of the architecture was preserved from the patch cord systems used in hardware.
> 
> I was thinking about uploading these manual to the Files section, as I think they might be helpful for those trying to learn about patch cords.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> DF
> 
>  
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:33 PM
> Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences
>  
> 
>   
> Thanks for clarifying; that makes sense. The Orbit 3 came with 2 ROMS (Beat Garden and Techno Synth Construction Yard). I am not sure if factory the presets required both, but I have seen people talking about have one or the other as an additional ROM in the E-Mu box. I am pretty sure that the Virtuoso 2000 had presets that required both Orchestral Session ROMS; I remember people saying that. Although I do believe some people have said they had one or the other.
> 
> As for patch cords, I have long thought about doing a tutorial of some type and finally last week, I created a series of 8 presets that demo preset building using patch cords, one step at a time, starting with zero cords, setting up the sustain pedal and then building something simple but with some sonic complexity.  I am hoping that over the summer I can develop and fine tune some more "from the ground up" teaching presets and put them into a presentation.
> 
> Along the way, I might post the various steps with some basic text by way of a simple explanation for people to try and perhaps make suggestions for other tutorials, variations, etc.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" <mthomas@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the info Steve.  I Guess I should have clarified.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs.  I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs.  That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.
> > 
> > As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet.  I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.
> > 
> > I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.
>

about the Beat Garden Riff Listing

2012-05-02 by Mauricio Balma

Something about the BEATS GARDEN´s RIFFs presets list:

I have the Beat Garden room since long time ago, but I just noticed that the RIFFs Preset List on the small book that came with the ROM is different from the list you find on the ROOM when browsing the riffs.

There are several RIFFS that I can´t find, for example the ones� with the� GRV-Hip 01 to GRV-Hip17 denominations (riffs 83 to 99), neither the BTS riffs...
Such a shame, since I like the feeling of this particular room.

Or am I doing something wrong, or forgetting to do something?� I always thought that you get all the feastures of the expansion roms, just installing them, no matter the slot you use....��
Actually, there are lots of RIFFs patterns listed on the expansion rom´s book missed on the rom when installed.

Regards,

Balma


From: steve_the_composer
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

Thanks for clarifying; that makes sense. The Orbit 3 came with 2 ROMS (Beat Garden and Techno Synth Construction Yard). I am not sure if factory the presets required both, but I have seen people talking about have one or the other as an additional ROM in the E-Mu box. I am pretty sure that the Virtuoso 2000 had presets that required both Orchestral Session ROMS; I remember people saying that. Although I do believe some people have said they had one or the other.

As for patch cords, I have long thought about doing a tutorial of some type and finally last week, I created a series of 8 presets that demo preset building using patch cords, one step at a time, starting with zero cords, setting up the sustain pedal and then building something simple but with some sonic complexity. I am hoping that over the summer I can develop and fine tune some more "from the ground up" teaching presets and put them into a presentation.

Along the way, I might post the various steps with some basic text by way of a simple explanation for people to try and perhaps make suggestions for other tutorials, variations, etc.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Steve. I Guess I should have clarified. I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs. I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs. That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.
>
> As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet. I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.
>
> I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.



Re: [xl7] about the Beat Garden Riff Listing

2012-05-02 by D F Tweedie

I'd like to know this too ... and where to get a copy of the 'small book' that came with different ROMs.

I've been midi recording a lot of the riffs to keep for midi clips. Some are very tasty and useful in a lot of places.

BTW, 'in the day,' were there ever any commercial/ 3rd party collections of patterns for the command stations or P2500? I find about a quarter of the patterns to still be useful as song starters. As� a matter of fact, after listening closely I think I've heard several with little more than minor modification and some key changes on more than one commercial release.

DF


 
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From: Mauricio Balma
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: [xl7] about the Beat Garden Riff Listing

Something about the BEATS GARDEN´s RIFFs presets list:

I have the Beat Garden room since long time ago, but I just noticed that the RIFFs Preset List on the small book that came with the ROM is different from the list you find on the ROOM when browsing the riffs.

There are several RIFFS that I can´t find, for example the ones� with the� GRV-Hip 01 to GRV-Hip17 denominations (riffs 83 to 99), neither the BTS riffs...
Such a shame, since I like the feeling of this particular room.

Or am I doing something wrong, or forgetting to do something?� I always thought that you get all the feastures of the expansion roms, just installing them, no matter the slot you use....��
Actually, there are lots of RIFFs patterns listed on the expansion rom´s book missed on the rom when installed.

Regards,

Balma


From: steve_the_composer
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Identifying ROM differences

Thanks for clarifying; that makes sense. The Orbit 3 came with 2 ROMS (Beat Garden and Techno Synth Construction Yard). I am not sure if factory the presets required both, but I have seen people talking about have one or the other as an additional ROM in the E-Mu box. I am pretty sure that the Virtuoso 2000 had presets that required both Orchestral Session ROMS; I remember people saying that. Although I do believe some people have said they had one or the other.

As for patch cords, I have long thought about doing a tutorial of some type and finally last week, I created a series of 8 presets that demo preset building using patch cords, one step at a time, starting with zero cords, setting up the sustain pedal and then building something simple but with some sonic complexity. I am hoping that over the summer I can develop and fine tune some more "from the ground up" teaching presets and put them into a presentation.

Along the way, I might post the various steps with some basic text by way of a simple explanation for people to try and perhaps make suggestions for other tutorials, variations, etc.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antithetical2" wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Steve. I Guess I should have clarified. I seem to recall reading somewhere that some presets require two ROMs. I'd hate to fall in love with a particular piano and discover that it required two ROMs. That's probably never the case with a piano of course, but I also want some decent symphonic sounds as well.
>
> As for learning the synth engine, you're totally right there. I have a pretty good grasp on the inner workings, though I haven't dived into the patch cords yet. I like it well enough that when I finally purge my digital synths the Emu will probably stick around.
>
> I'm liking the idea of the Composer ROM more and more...plus the prices seem reasonable.