Steve ... when it comes to this stuff, 'You da man!'
Thanks.
I understand that only the mains will have the fx. I'm not so much looking to use external fx as to track the original voice. I'd do my processing in mixing.
Your example [2] is the direction I'm headed. I was hoping this worked more like the ensoniq gear where you can assign each track to an output through the FX Bus, and also hard pan each track so each stereo pair can give you two different mono sources. With the expander on my ASR-X I can actually get 10 discrete outputs by using the mains and the 4 aux pairs. I also do this on my Roland XV5080 for 8 discrete outputs. I do this to track drum kits through my board, setting all the usual suspects, i.e., kick, snare, hats, tom, etc., to separate tracks and outputs and then use the same kit on each track. The ability to mix a drums with each element on its own audio track running into a sub-mix bus is great.
So it looks like I'll have to be content with just having two independent stereo aux outputs, as the using of assigning different layers of the same preset would rarely be really useful ... but who knows?
Thanks.
DF
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From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:18 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Using the sub outs?
I think I understand what you want to do as far as using the sub outs. Think of them as a function of the synth engine, not the sequencer. As far as I can see, there are two ways to set the sends through the subouts: (1) through preset edit mode [layer level MIX OUTPUT] and (2) through the global MIX OUTPUT [on a channel by channel basis] when you override the preset settings.
From what I can see [that is to say, I have tested it] with (1) you could for example have layers 1 and 2 of a preset panned hard right and layers 3 and 4 panned hard left.* I assume if you sent that out one of the subs, you would have what you want. You could get much fancier with either lfo or CC control to do automated or manual crossfade/panning.
With (2) it looks like you could do the same think with different presets on different channels. Again, I haven't tested it.
Keep in mind only main is routed through the FX. But if you want separate outs, perhaps you are doing outboard FX processing.
As for the TRS/returns, I have used the subs for passive mixing. Audio returned via the subs gets summed I think with the main out. I am not sure what cables I have used. As I assume you know, the returns do not go through the E-Mu synth engine.
*As for the location of the pan settings, (1) within the preset, the layer level base setting is on the menu that says AMPLIFIER and (2) on a channel by channel basis, pan is on the basic channel display.
Hope this helps.
Steve
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
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> I'm trying to get my head around using the CS sub outs.
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> I'd like to be able to track individual voices out of them.
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> 1. Do you assign to output on the channel or on the track?
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> 2. Can you hard pan on the channel (or somewhere?) so you can send two mono signals out from the same sub? In other words, use the stereo sub for two discrete monos and a total of 4 (2 subs times 2 channels) mono outputs distinct from the main out?
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> 3. It says to use stereo/ balanced/ trs jacks to use the subs like inserts for external gear, so the ring can return to the main mix outputs. If you are using an audio interface with balanced inputs, if you ran a balanced cable out of the CS and into the audio interface (as opposed to an unbalanced one), would that cause any problems due to the ring returning?
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> Any other tips about using the subs for direct outs would be appreciated. I have the manual and have been reading it, but the info in little pieces all over the place. Hard to get a clear overview.
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> Thanks.
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> DF