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Hi,
Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?


thanks in advance

This depends on your pedal. If it outputs continuous controller (CC) data, yes. If it is a "volume pedal," I saw schematics to turning it into a midi controller based on an arduino. (I don't have the link gandy, but if you are interested, I can dig it out.)
Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
> s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?
> 
> 
> thanks in advance
>

CORRECTION:
   I spoke to soon. Take a look at the PK-6 manual (or the MK-6 manual) at www.emu.com (use the legacy gear choice in the drop down in the support section after choosing manuals/software).

"The foot pedal jack on PK-6's rear panel can be programmed to perform a variety of functions. The foot pedal input can sense either 0-5 volts on the ring of a stereo jack or a foot pedal with the potentiometer wired as shown at left."

One of the functions is conversion of the voltage to CC4!!!

"In this mode the Foot Pedal is routed to the "Pedal" PatchCord source in the Preset Edit, Cords menu. (See pages 159 and 166.) It is also transmitted out on MIDI Continuous Controller #4 on the basic
MIDI channel."

Thus, if your expression pedal outputs 0 to 5 volts as stated in the manual, you can indeed use CC4/Pedal in the patchcord section to control various parameters.

Hope this helps.
Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> This depends on your pedal. If it outputs continuous controller (CC) data, yes. If it is a "volume pedal," I saw schematics to turning it into a midi controller based on an arduino. (I don't have the link gandy, but if you are interested, I can dig it out.)
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
> > s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?
> > 
> > 
> > thanks in advance
> >
>

Thank you very much for help Steve.
I appreciate it a lot.
Just I am not sure about this 0-5 volt.
I bought behringer foot controller fcv100, which supposed to control volume and/or cv (50 k Ohm)
Manual from behringer is very short and says in cv mode you don't need any battery. I will give it a try in a second, and surely I will share my experience here.
If it works - that's brilliant way to control mk-6'pk6 (emu command station too) filter or any other parameter;
well in theory it should send midi cc on midi out 
let's see......

thank you again and have a nice day

filip

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> CORRECTION:
>    I spoke to soon. Take a look at the PK-6 manual (or the MK-6 manual) at www.emu.com (use the legacy gear choice in the drop down in the support section after choosing manuals/software).
> 
> "The foot pedal jack on PK-6's rear panel can be programmed to perform a variety of functions. The foot pedal input can sense either 0-5 volts on the ring of a stereo jack or a foot pedal with the potentiometer wired as shown at left."
> 
> One of the functions is conversion of the voltage to CC4!!!
> 
> "In this mode the Foot Pedal is routed to the "Pedal" PatchCord source in the Preset Edit, Cords menu. (See pages 159 and 166.) It is also transmitted out on MIDI Continuous Controller #4 on the basic
> MIDI channel."
> 
> Thus, if your expression pedal outputs 0 to 5 volts as stated in the manual, you can indeed use CC4/Pedal in the patchcord section to control various parameters.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > This depends on your pedal. If it outputs continuous controller (CC) data, yes. If it is a "volume pedal," I saw schematics to turning it into a midi controller based on an arduino. (I don't have the link gandy, but if you are interested, I can dig it out.)
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
> > > s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > thanks in advance
> > >
> >
>

works as charm:)
actually it just send midi cc04 as default - so just to plug it into daw (amplitube or other guitar sim.) and fun begins..
actually there were much more hassle setting up internal pedal to mk6's patch cord, as patch cording needs to setup for every preset separately,
so I'll try later to send cc04 to midi controller (bcr2000) which switch this cc04 to whatever midi cc it is as filter cutoff (mk6), so I won't have to set filter cutoff (I really like it on synths with pedal control/hands free) for every preset; the midi will get back to mk6 as a midi cc (64 I think it is...)




again, thanks for help !


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for help Steve.
> I appreciate it a lot.
> Just I am not sure about this 0-5 volt.
> I bought behringer foot controller fcv100, which supposed to control volume and/or cv (50 k Ohm)
> Manual from behringer is very short and says in cv mode you don't need any battery. I will give it a try in a second, and surely I will share my experience here.
> If it works - that's brilliant way to control mk-6'pk6 (emu command station too) filter or any other parameter;
> well in theory it should send midi cc on midi out 
> let's see......
> 
> thank you again and have a nice day
> 
> filip
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > CORRECTION:
> >    I spoke to soon. Take a look at the PK-6 manual (or the MK-6 manual) at www.emu.com (use the legacy gear choice in the drop down in the support section after choosing manuals/software).
> > 
> > "The foot pedal jack on PK-6's rear panel can be programmed to perform a variety of functions. The foot pedal input can sense either 0-5 volts on the ring of a stereo jack or a foot pedal with the potentiometer wired as shown at left."
> > 
> > One of the functions is conversion of the voltage to CC4!!!
> > 
> > "In this mode the Foot Pedal is routed to the "Pedal" PatchCord source in the Preset Edit, Cords menu. (See pages 159 and 166.) It is also transmitted out on MIDI Continuous Controller #4 on the basic
> > MIDI channel."
> > 
> > Thus, if your expression pedal outputs 0 to 5 volts as stated in the manual, you can indeed use CC4/Pedal in the patchcord section to control various parameters.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This depends on your pedal. If it outputs continuous controller (CC) data, yes. If it is a "volume pedal," I saw schematics to turning it into a midi controller based on an arduino. (I don't have the link gandy, but if you are interested, I can dig it out.)
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
> > > > s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > thanks in advance
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Glad to hear it works.

Try going into the Controllers menu system and page to the REALTIME CONTROLLER # and set A to 04.

My P2500 has MidiA set to CC74 and most factory presets I have seen use MidiA for filter cutoff.  I haven't tested this, but I am thinking that if you assign MidiA to CC4, then any presets which have patchcords using MidiA to control filter cutoff will respond to the Pedal's CC4.

I am kind of foggy headed this morning. Let us know if this works. (If so, it seems a simpler solution that using the bcr2000 to remap cc4 to cc74 or whatever its doing.)

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@...> wrote:
>
> works as charm:)
> actually it just send midi cc04 as default - so just to plug it into daw (amplitube or other guitar sim.) and fun begins..
> actually there were much more hassle setting up internal pedal to mk6's patch cord, as patch cording needs to setup for every preset separately,
> so I'll try later to send cc04 to midi controller (bcr2000) which switch this cc04 to whatever midi cc it is as filter cutoff (mk6), so I won't have to set filter cutoff (I really like it on synths with pedal control/hands free) for every preset; the midi will get back to mk6 as a midi cc (64 I think it is...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> again, thanks for help !
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for help Steve.
> > I appreciate it a lot.
> > Just I am not sure about this 0-5 volt.
> > I bought behringer foot controller fcv100, which supposed to control volume and/or cv (50 k Ohm)
> > Manual from behringer is very short and says in cv mode you don't need any battery. I will give it a try in a second, and surely I will share my experience here.
> > If it works - that's brilliant way to control mk-6'pk6 (emu command station too) filter or any other parameter;
> > well in theory it should send midi cc on midi out 
> > let's see......
> > 
> > thank you again and have a nice day
> > 
> > filip
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > CORRECTION:
> > >    I spoke to soon. Take a look at the PK-6 manual (or the MK-6 manual) at www.emu.com (use the legacy gear choice in the drop down in the support section after choosing manuals/software).
> > > 
> > > "The foot pedal jack on PK-6's rear panel can be programmed to perform a variety of functions. The foot pedal input can sense either 0-5 volts on the ring of a stereo jack or a foot pedal with the potentiometer wired as shown at left."
> > > 
> > > One of the functions is conversion of the voltage to CC4!!!
> > > 
> > > "In this mode the Foot Pedal is routed to the "Pedal" PatchCord source in the Preset Edit, Cords menu. (See pages 159 and 166.) It is also transmitted out on MIDI Continuous Controller #4 on the basic
> > > MIDI channel."
> > > 
> > > Thus, if your expression pedal outputs 0 to 5 volts as stated in the manual, you can indeed use CC4/Pedal in the patchcord section to control various parameters.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This depends on your pedal. If it outputs continuous controller (CC) data, yes. If it is a "volume pedal," I saw schematics to turning it into a midi controller based on an arduino. (I don't have the link gandy, but if you are interested, I can dig it out.)
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
> > > > > s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks in advance
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yeah--it works on my P2500. I tested it by changing MIDIA to a different CC. I don't see why that would work on the keyboard version.

BTW, realtime controller assignments (MIDIA, etc.) are stored in multisetups. So if for some songs/performances you want CC4 to serve as MIDIA to control cutoff frequency and in others you want it to control another factory assigned patchcord function, you can do that.

If it works on the keyboard version, I would think you could also tweak factory patches so that CC4 controls both filter cutoff (via MIDIA) and whatever patch cord destination you assign to Pedal (maybe a little lfo depth, or a little resonance).

Steve 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> Glad to hear it works.
> 
> Try going into the Controllers menu system and page to the REALTIME CONTROLLER # and set A to 04.
> 
> My P2500 has MidiA set to CC74 and most factory presets I have seen use MidiA for filter cutoff.  I haven't tested this, but I am thinking that if you assign MidiA to CC4, then any presets which have patchcords using MidiA to control filter cutoff will respond to the Pedal's CC4.
> 
> I am kind of foggy headed this morning. Let us know if this works. (If so, it seems a simpler solution that using the bcr2000 to remap cc4 to cc74 or whatever its doing.)
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> >
> > works as charm:)
> > actually it just send midi cc04 as default - so just to plug it into daw (amplitube or other guitar sim.) and fun begins..
> > actually there were much more hassle setting up internal pedal to mk6's patch cord, as patch cording needs to setup for every preset separately,
> > so I'll try later to send cc04 to midi controller (bcr2000) which switch this cc04 to whatever midi cc it is as filter cutoff (mk6), so I won't have to set filter cutoff (I really like it on synths with pedal control/hands free) for every preset; the midi will get back to mk6 as a midi cc (64 I think it is...)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > again, thanks for help !
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for help Steve.
> > > I appreciate it a lot.
> > > Just I am not sure about this 0-5 volt.
> > > I bought behringer foot controller fcv100, which supposed to control volume and/or cv (50 k Ohm)
> > > Manual from behringer is very short and says in cv mode you don't need any battery. I will give it a try in a second, and surely I will share my experience here.
> > > If it works - that's brilliant way to control mk-6'pk6 (emu command station too) filter or any other parameter;
> > > well in theory it should send midi cc on midi out 
> > > let's see......
> > > 
> > > thank you again and have a nice day
> > > 
> > > filip
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > CORRECTION:
> > > >    I spoke to soon. Take a look at the PK-6 manual (or the MK-6 manual) at www.emu.com (use the legacy gear choice in the drop down in the support section after choosing manuals/software).
> > > > 
> > > > "The foot pedal jack on PK-6's rear panel can be programmed to perform a variety of functions. The foot pedal input can sense either 0-5 volts on the ring of a stereo jack or a foot pedal with the potentiometer wired as shown at left."
> > > > 
> > > > One of the functions is conversion of the voltage to CC4!!!
> > > > 
> > > > "In this mode the Foot Pedal is routed to the "Pedal" PatchCord source in the Preset Edit, Cords menu. (See pages 159 and 166.) It is also transmitted out on MIDI Continuous Controller #4 on the basic
> > > > MIDI channel."
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, if your expression pedal outputs 0 to 5 volts as stated in the manual, you can indeed use CC4/Pedal in the patchcord section to control various parameters.
> > > > 
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This depends on your pedal. If it outputs continuous controller (CC) data, yes. If it is a "volume pedal," I saw schematics to turning it into a midi controller based on an arduino. (I don't have the link gandy, but if you are interested, I can dig it out.)
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "filipovske" <filipovske@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > Is it possible to plug expression pedal into e-mu mk6 (it's actually command station without sequencer, and with keys:), and control filter cut off ??
> > > > > > s it possible to assign it to send midi cc via midi output ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > thanks in advance
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Ooops. That should read: "I don't see why that >>wouldn't<< work on the keyboard version."

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah--it works on my P2500. I tested it by changing MIDIA to a different CC. I don't see why that would work on the keyboard version.