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However, it is possible to record a multichannel pattern/arrangement onto a multichannel (Multi-A) track on the CS (using 'first note record'), copy that track to clipboard, then 'explode' it to the individual tracks. Works for me.

Ableton is a horrible midi sequencer. Use logic or fruity loop or cubase or something.

On Feb 25, 2011 8:37 AM, "Daniel Abatemarco" <dan@abatemarco.com> wrote:

Hey, I know this is old, so sorry for the zombie thread, but I need to ask about this.

However, it is possible to record a multichannel pattern/arrangement onto a multichannel (Multi-A) track on the CS (using 'first note record'), copy that track to clipboard, then 'explode' it to the individual tracks. Works for me.

I've been trying to get this to work right for about a week, and haven't gotten it completely right yet. I have each MIDI track in Ableton outputting to the MIDI channel # of the track it want it to be on, and I'm recording on Track 16, which is set to MultiA, I set the tempo to ext so it follows Ableton's clock, I have the recording set to start on first note, and I have quantize off. I arm recording and trigger my Ableton clips, let the pattern go until it's about to loop (8 bars in this case), and then stop all the Ableton clips. It works ok, except long-held notes seem to get cut off at the bar-breaks. In the note list they appear to have the right duration, but they still get cut off at the bar break. Can anyone explain why this might be happening or how to fix it?

I'm switching to a more hardware based setup, but there';s a few sequences I want to take with me into the CS, so I'm trying to transfer them by multi-track recording. If I can't do it this way, I guess I'll have to resequence by hand, which is annoying. In the future, though, I plan to use the CS for sequencing much more than Ableton.

Anyway, thanks for any advice.

--Dan

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:38 AM, stimresp <stimresp@gmail.com> wrote:

I've had only limited success dumping DAW-derived patterns into the CS vi e-loader. Usually, the channel information is not retained, and sometimes the imported pattern introduced some note offsets.

However, it is possible to record a multichannel pattern/arrangement onto a multichannel (Multi-A) track on the CS (using 'first note record'), copy that track to clipboard, then 'explode' it to the individual tracks. Works for me.

I'm also using stepbeater VST to program drums. The midi-drag-drop imports directly into e-loader with channel information retained, with sometimes minor-but-correctable timing issues. see: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175

cheers,
J

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
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> let the fun begin!
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> 2011/1/30 James Ulibarri

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> > That's totally nuts man. ( In a good way).
> > Yeah I don't mind that it does one track at a time. I think a
> > multitracked file would just make things more complicated. I love how you
> > said you're juggling files back and forth
> > to the CS and Ableton. I love the sound of that work flow. I wonder why
> > more people aren't working like this. Or maybe they are and they're just
>; > keeping it on the low. That's cool if they are and I respect that. I'll
> > be trying this tonight.
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> > 2011/1/30 Szõnyi András

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> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
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> >> > thanks, bro. I will try it and let you know what happens. Ableton and
> >> the
>; >> > CS could be the deadly combination.
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> >> >
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> >> There's an annoying issue with Ableton: the way it exports MIDI.
> >> Ableton lets you export only ONE clip to MIDI, not the whole arrangement
> >> or a whole row in the session view. With other words: no multitracks.
> >> (Although it can import or open multitracked MIDI files fine.)
> >>
> >> If you use other (older) DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, ProTools,
> >> Sonar/Cakewalk, etc... they are able to export multitrack MIDI.
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> >> BTW I also use the Live because it's very fast and intuitive in many ways.
> >> So if I want to send back edited MIDI from Ableton into the CS,
> >> I synchronize them and simply play/record it.
> >>
> >> Andrew
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> >> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Szõnyi András 40c3.hu>>

> >> wrote:
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> >> >>
> >> >>;
> >> >>> When dumping midi files to the CS such as tracked/clocked drawn
> >> >> modulation
> >> >>> is omitted I am assuming....
> >> >>> I am talking about say filter cutoff at measure 2.1 to 8.4 with a
> >> value
> >> >> of
> >> >>>; like 10 to say fully open at 127 at any point within a* *sequence,
> >> right
> >> >>> down to beats/measures. Will these kinds of events import over to type
> >> >> .mid
> >> >>> files through e-loader? If not, then I think what a damn shame. And
> >> what
> >> >> a
> >> >>> hassle to do this on the CS when it's so silky smooth on a soft
> >> >> sequencer.
> >> >>> FL studio, etc. I think real-time tweaks on the CS is not exact enough
> >> >> for
> >> >>> what I am talking about.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> All data of the sequence is stored in the MIDI file,
> >> >> and all parameters should be seen in a DAW.
> >> >>
> >> >> I assume that you use Ableton Live:
> >> >> in the Envelope view of a clip the modulated parameters can be edited.
> >> >> Or you can select yourself any modulations by their MIDI Ctrl number.
> >> >> (As I remember ususally the MIDI Ctlr number 79 and 80 mapped to the
> >> >> filter cutoff and resonance of a factory patch.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
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Sorry I am rereading what I write and it sounds totally haterade. Basically ableton is bad at midi sequencing and has a bad midi implementation but great at sampling and phrase sampling. It can sequence itself and its clips fine but midi notes not so much. They hang on, or don't turn off at the right time. In my experience it helps if you have a badass computer, but not much.. ableton is mean to bounce down to clips and play those live.
-matt

On Feb 25, 2011 8:58 AM, "Matt" <somatt@gmail.com> wrote:

Ableton is a horrible midi sequencer. Use logic or fruity loop or cubase or something.

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No problems with the cs ever doing that in my experience, but I have had ableton do that (pretty much everytime I tried to use it to sequence external synths). This is why I bought the CS as a sequencer in the first place instead of going with ableton.

On Feb 25, 2011 9:20 AM, "Daniel Abatemarco" <dan@...> wrote:

I'm familiar with the pros and cons of Ableton, but I'm wondering if anyone has had problems with MIDI notes in the CS choking off at the bar breaks. The weird thing is that it actually sounds perfect when the MIDI sequences are running in Ableton; I only have problems when I record into the CS and have the CS play the same sequences back.

--Dan

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
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http://www.livepa.org/board/viewtopic.php?p=26505&sid=58b0e3dd3d7a7297d57db24af0c6cb37
This guy has a similar problem.

On Feb 25, 2011 9:23 AM, "Matt" <;somatt@...> wrote:

No problems with the cs ever doing that in my experience, but I have had ableton do that (pretty much everytime I tried to use it to sequence external synths). This is why I bought the CS as a sequencer in the first place instead of going with ableton.

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> On Feb 25, 2011 9:20 AM, "Daniel Abatemarco" <dan@abatemarco.com> wrote:
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What do you mean by bar breaks? Is it when the loop restarts? The only way to get around AFAIS that would be to set playmode to legato.

Maybe you can post an audio example....




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Abatemarco <dan@...> wrote:
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> I'm familiar with the pros and cons of Ableton, but I'm wondering if anyone
> has had problems with MIDI notes in the CS choking off at the bar breaks.
> The weird thing is that it actually sounds perfect when the MIDI sequences
> are running in Ableton; I only have problems when I record into the CS and
> have the CS play the same sequences back.
> 
> --Dan
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> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Sorry I am rereading what I write and it sounds totally haterade.
> > Basically ableton is bad at midi sequencing and has a bad midi
> > implementation but great at sampling and phrase sampling.  It can sequence
> > itself and its clips fine but midi notes not so much.  They hang on, or
> > don't turn off at the right time.  In my experience it helps if you have a
> > badass computer, but not much.. ableton is mean to bounce down to clips and
> > play those live.
> > -matt
> >
> > On Feb 25, 2011 8:58 AM, "Matt" <somatt@...> wrote:
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> > Ableton is a horrible midi sequencer. Use logic or fruity loop or cubase or
> > something.
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> > > On Feb 25, 2011 8:37 AM, "Daniel Abatemarco" <dan@...> wrote:
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> > >
> > > Hey, I know ...
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Another thing too people have mentioned cs glitching but they reset their machine and it seems to work for them.

I don't experience very much glitching unless I am running tons of ccs and then if I filter them I'm ok.

No experience with resetting the machine I don't know I think it deletes all your patterns.

I am not a power user by any means. I use only hardware no daw so I don't know as much as some guys so I only hope I can help a little. But I have found I really love cs and emu product sound in general after purchasing a esi2k so I try to pay attention and help out on these lists if I can.

Is this only doing this on a emu?
Have u tried sending to another sequencer hardware or software sequencer on another computer?

On Feb 25, 2011 2:16 PM, "stimresp" <stimresp@...> wrote:

What do you mean by bar breaks? Is it when the loop restarts? The only way to get around AFAIS that would be to set playmode to legato.

Maybe you can post an audio example....

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Abatemarco wrote:
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> I'm familiar with the pros and ...

> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Matt wrote:
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> > On Feb 25, 2011 8:58 AM, "Matt" wrote:
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> > > On Feb 25, 2011 8:37 AM, "Daniel Abatemarco" ; wrote:
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Glad you solved it; thanks for sharing the solution in case others have a similar problem. I am guessing that when you stopped the patterns, Ableton sent note off commands which got recorded onto the CS. 

As long as the intended note offs are recorded after the notes cross the end of the loop (as the loop repeats), you shouldn't have a problem with stuck notes.

--Steve  

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Abatemarco <dan@...> wrote:
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> Ok, so I figured it out. I'm not exactly sure how it was happening, but I
> was causing the problems by stopping the pattern without dropping out of
> record first. So, now, once I have the pattern recorded and I stop the
> ableton clips, as long as I press the record button to stop recording and
> then stop the pattern, everything is working fine. Woohoo. Anyway, I just
> wanted to mention this fix in case anyone else has ever had this trouble.
> I'm sure everyone was on the edge of their seats.
> 
> --Dan

Very nice job!

On Feb 26, 2011 9:05 AM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

Glad you solved it; thanks for sharing the solution in case others have a similar problem. I am guessing that when you stopped the patterns, Ableton sent note off commands which got recorded onto the CS.

As long as the intended note offs are recorded after the notes cross the end of the loop (as the loop repeats), you shouldn't have a problem with stuck notes.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Abatemarco wrote:
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> Ok, so I figured it out. I'm not exactly sure how it was happening, but I
> was causing the proble...