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> When dumping midi files to the CS such as tracked/clocked drawn modulation
> is omitted I am assuming....
> I am talking about say filter cutoff at measure 2.1 to 8.4 with a value of
> like 10 to say fully open at 127 at any point within a* *sequence, right
> down to beats/measures. Will these kinds of events import over to type .mid
> files through e-loader? If not, then I think what a damn shame. And what a
> hassle to do this on the CS when it's so silky smooth on a soft sequencer.
> FL studio, etc. I think real-time tweaks on the CS is not exact enough for
> what I am talking about.
>

All data of the sequence is stored in the MIDI file,
and all parameters should be seen in a DAW.

I assume that you use Ableton Live:
in the Envelope view of a clip the modulated parameters can be edited.
Or you can select yourself any modulations by their MIDI Ctrl number.
(As I remember ususally the MIDI Ctlr number 79 and 80 mapped to the
filter cutoff and resonance of a factory patch.)

Andrew

 

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> thanks, bro. I will try it and let you know what happens. Ableton and the
> CS could be the deadly combination.
>
>

There's an annoying issue with Ableton: the way it exports MIDI.
Ableton lets you export only ONE clip to MIDI, not the whole arrangement
or a whole row in the session view. With other words: no multitracks.
(Although it can import or open multitracked MIDI files fine.)

If you use other (older) DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, ProTools,
Sonar/Cakewalk, etc... they are able to export multitrack MIDI.

BTW I also use the Live because it's very fast and intuitive in many ways.
So if I want to send back edited MIDI from Ableton into the CS,
I synchronize them and simply play/record it.

Andrew

>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Szőnyi András <andras@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> When dumping midi files to the CS such as tracked/clocked drawn
>> modulation
>;>> is omitted I am assuming....
>>> I am talking about say filter cutoff at measure 2.1 to 8.4 with a value
>> of
>>> like 10 to say fully open at 127 at any point within a* *sequence, right
>>> down to beats/measures. Will these kinds of events import over to type
>> .mid
>>> files through e-loader? If not, then I think what a damn shame. And what
>> a
>>> hassle to do this on the CS when it's so silky smooth on a soft
>> sequencer.
>>> FL studio, etc. I think real-time tweaks on the CS is not exact enough
>> for
>>> what I am talking about.
>>>
>>
>> All data of the sequence is stored in the MIDI file,
>> and all parameters should be seen in a DAW.
>>
>> I assume that you use Ableton Live:
>> in the Envelope view of a clip the modulated parameters can be edited.
>> Or you can select yourself any modulations by their MIDI Ctrl number.
>> (As I remember ususally the MIDI Ctlr number 79 and 80 mapped to the
>> filter cutoff and resonance of a factory patch.)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>

That's totally nuts man. ( In a good way).
Yeah I don't mind that it does one track at a time.   I think a multitracked file would just make things more complicated.   I love how you said you're juggling files back and forth
to the CS and Ableton.  I love the sound of that work flow.   I wonder why more people aren't working like this.  Or maybe they are and they're just keeping it on the low.  That's cool if they are and I respect that.   I'll be trying this tonight.

2011/1/30 Szőnyi András <andras@...>

 

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> thanks, bro. I will try it and let you know what happens. Ableton and the
> CS could be the deadly combination.
>
>

There's an annoying issue with Ableton: the way it exports MIDI.
Ableton lets you export only ONE clip to MIDI, not the whole arrangement
or a whole row in the session view. With other words: no multitracks.
(Although it can import or open multitracked MIDI files fine.)

If you use other (older) DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, ProTools,
Sonar/Cakewalk, etc... they are able to export multitrack MIDI.

BTW I also use the Live because it's very fast and intuitive in many ways.
So if I want to send back edited MIDI from Ableton into the CS,
I synchronize them and simply play/record it.

Andrew

>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Szőnyi András <andras@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> When dumping midi files to the CS such as tracked/clocked drawn
>> modulation
>>> is omitted I am assuming....
>>> I am talking about say filter cutoff at measure 2.1 to 8.4 with a value
>> of
>>> like 10 to say fully open at 127 at any point within a* *sequence, right
>>> down to beats/measures. Will these kinds of events import over to type
>> .mid
>>> files through e-loader? If not, then I think what a damn shame. And what
>> a
>>> hassle to do this on the CS when it's so silky smooth on a soft
>> sequencer.
>>> FL studio, etc. I think real-time tweaks on the CS is not exact enough
>> for
>>> what I am talking about.
>>>
>>
>> All data of the sequence is stored in the MIDI file,
>> and all parameters should be seen in a DAW.
>>
>> I assume that you use Ableton Live:
>> in the Envelope view of a clip the modulated parameters can be edited.
>> Or you can select yourself any modulations by their MIDI Ctrl number.
>> (As I remember ususally the MIDI Ctlr number 79 and 80 mapped to the
>> filter cutoff and resonance of a factory patch.)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>;>
>

 

I had problems with stuck MIDI notes when sequencing other hardware with ableton demo so I never purchased. Anyone know about this and how to fix? I also had sync problems with tempos jumping to 0.

On Jan 31, 2011 6:20 AM, "Szőnyi András" <;andras@...> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe I was not clear:
> If I upload a pattern to the PC using Eloader,
> and after open it in Ableton, I can't export the full
> pattern as a standard MIDI file, only one track of the pattern.
> So the workflow I mentioned before
> (Write a pattern in CS ->
> Upload to the PC by Eloader ->
> Edit it in Ableton ->
> Export it as MIDI file ->
> Download that MIDI file back to the CS by Eloader),
> doesn't work for me only in that case if the pattern has one single track.
>
> For multitracked patterns I use different DAW to export the MIDI,
> or if I edit the pattern in Ableton, I can only record the tracks
> one by one in the CS via MIDI.
>
> Or can anyone export from Ableton any multitrack MIDI file?
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
>> That's totally nuts man. ( In a good way).
>> Yeah I don't mind that it does one track at a time. I think a multitracked
>> file would just make things more complicated. I love how you said you're
>> juggling files back and forth
>> to the CS and Ableton. I love the sound of that work flow. I wonder why
>> more people aren't working like this. Or maybe they are and they're just
>> keeping it on the low. That's cool if they are and I respect that. I'll
>> be trying this tonight.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/30 Szőnyi András <andras@...>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks, bro. I will try it and let you know what happens. Ableton and the
>>>> CS could be the deadly combination.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's an annoying issue with Ableton: the way it exports MIDI.
>>> Ableton lets you export only ONE clip to MIDI, not the whole arrangement
>>> or a whole row in the session view. With other words: no multitracks.
>>> (Although it can import or open multitracked MIDI files fine.)
>>>
>>> If you use other (older) DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, ProTools,
>>> Sonar/Cakewalk, etc... they are able to export multitrack MIDI.
>>>
>>> BTW I also use the Live because it's very fast and intuitive in many ways.
>>> So if I want to send back edited MIDI from Ableton into the CS,
>>> I synchronize them and simply play/record it.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Szőnyi András <andras@...40c3.hu>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When dumping midi files to the CS such as tracked/clocked drawn
>>>>> modulation
>>>>>> is omitted I am assuming....
>>>>>> I am talking about say filter cutoff at measure 2.1 to 8.4 with a value
>>>>> of
>>>>>> like 10 to say fully open at 127 at any point within a* *sequence,
>>> right
>>>>>> down to beats/measures. Will these kinds of events import over to type
>>>>;> .mid
>>>>>> files through e-loader? If not, then I think what a damn shame. And
>>> what
>>>>> a
>>>>>> hassle to do this on the CS when it's so silky smooth on a soft
>>>>> sequencer.
>>>>>> FL studio, etc. I think real-time tweaks on the CS is not exact enough
>>>>> for
>>>>>> what I am talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All data of the sequence is stored in the MIDI file,
>>>>> and all parameters should be seen in a DAW.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume that you use Ableton Live:
>>>>> in the Envelope view of a clip the modulated parameters can be edited.
>>>>> Or you can select yourself any modulations by their MIDI Ctrl number.
>>>>> (As I remember ususally the MIDI Ctlr number 79 and 80 mapped to the
>>>;>> filter cutoff and resonance of a factory patch.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>;>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 użytkownik James Ulibarri
<jamesulibarri@...> napisał:

>  All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to do this or that.

1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
software to another).
2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
by channel" later.
4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
for Another Sequencer (AS).
5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
Ableton.
7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.

Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
spent on getting those things rolling.

Cheers,
Bruno


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I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist was:

Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.
Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.

Another possible solution is detailed here:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175

Cheers,
J

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
>
> W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri
> napisa³:

> > All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to do this or that.
>
> 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
> software to another).
> 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
> 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
> think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
> but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
> venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
> by channel" later.
> 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
> for Another Sequencer (AS).
> 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
> 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
> Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
> Ableton.
> 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
> 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.
>
> Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
> working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
> powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
> spent on getting those things rolling.
>
> Cheers,
> Bruno
>

 

Make sure you are in multi mode and that rechannelize is off (both in the MIDI menu).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> I am going to try it in FL Studio and report back.
>
>

> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM, stimresp wrote:
>
>; >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist
> > was:
> >
> > Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel
> > data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel
> > track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.
> > Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.
> >
> > Another possible solution is detailed here:
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175
> >
> > Cheers,
> > J
> >;

> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Bruno

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri
> > > napisa³:
> >
> > > > All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to
> > do this or that.
> > >
> > > 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
> > > software to another).
> > > 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
> > > 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
> > > think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
> > > but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
> > > venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
> > > by channel" later.
> > > 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
> > > for Another Sequencer (AS).
> > > 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
> > > 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
> > > Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
> >; > Ableton.
> > > 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
> > > 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.
> > >
> > > Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
> > > working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
> > > powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
> > > spent on getting those things rolling.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >;
> >
>

Oh ok, now I see why you're using MidiYoke.  The apps are fighting over the midi ports.  I ran into this in the past.  One c-blocks the other as they're jockeying for resources the whole time and one falls off.   I gotcha now.

Neat stuff, but I am not feeling the integration.  That's just me tho.  If I were to use a full blown DAW than I would just get a midi controller and leave the CS off the chain.  I think it complicates things.  Atleast at this point.   I'll probably get bored and try and jack with it later.  Right now tho, I am not feeling it.

FL Studio was worse by the way.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:44 PM, stimresp <stimresp@...> wrote:

 

Make sure you are in multi mode and that rechannelize is off (both in the MIDI menu).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> I am going to try it in FL Studio and report back.
>
>

> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM, stimresp wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist
> > was:
> >
> > Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel
> > data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel
> > track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.
> > Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.
> >
> > Another possible solution is detailed here:
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175
> >
> > Cheers,
> > J
> >

> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Bruno

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri
> > > napisa³:
> >
> > > > All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to
> > do this or that.
> > >
> > > 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
> > > software to another).
> > > 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
> > > 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
> > > think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
> > > but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
> > > venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
> > > by channel" later.
> > > 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
> > > for Another Sequencer (AS).
> > > 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
> > > 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
> > > Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
> > > Ableton.
> > >; 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
> > > 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.
> > >
> > > Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
> > > working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
> > > powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
> > > spent on getting those things rolling.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

 

So what's up with the ableton? why is it so awesome?  I know james will have a good answer for this.  When I first got into music it was like some type  of jive keyword if you're cool dubstepper kid u got the ableton.  That and being a desktop support tech totally turned me off of it since I don't want to be working (troubleshooting shit on the computer) when I'm supposed to be playing (making music).  But now I am starting to understand the power of the ability to view my patterns on a huge screen, and piano roll and stuff which can be a huge benefit.  These are things you can't do on the CS.  

Usually when I'm recording I just do live sets into audacity or a minidisc recorder... but i've been looking into possibly trying to integrate my computer.  I have reason 5, I have a demo or renoise, I still keep hearing that if you want to be pro you need to get ableton live... which is both attractive and unattractive about it.  

I have also been hearing good things about the Nuendo, pro tools, peak, cubase.  I have a little bit of experience with digital performer, but not enough to make me want to use it.  lol.

What's up DAW users give me the lowdown!  Maybe this should be a new thread.  

-matt

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:03 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

Oh ok, now I see why you're using MidiYoke.  The apps are fighting over the midi ports.  I ran into this in the past.  One c-blocks the other as they're jockeying for resources the whole time and one falls off.   I gotcha now.

Neat stuff, but I am not feeling the integration.  That's just me tho.  If I were to use a full blown DAW than I would just get a midi controller and leave the CS off the chain.  I think it complicates things.  Atleast at this point.   I'll probably get bored and try and jack with it later.  Right now tho, I am not feeling it.

FL Studio was worse by the way.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:44 PM, stimresp <stimresp@...> wrote:

 

Make sure you are in multi mode and that rechannelize is off (both in the MIDI menu).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> I am going to try it in FL Studio and report back.
>
>

> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM, stimresp wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist
> > was:
> >
> > Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel
> > data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel
> > track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.
> > Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.
> >
> > Another possible solution is detailed here:
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175
> >
> > Cheers,
> > J
> >

> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Bruno

> > wrote:
> > >
> >; > W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri
> > > napisa³:
> >
> > > > All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to
> > do this or that.
> > >
> > > 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
> > > software to another).
> > > 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
> > > 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
> > > think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
> > > but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
> > > venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
> > > by channel" later.
> > > 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
> > > for Another Sequencer (AS).
> > > 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
> > > 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
> > > Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
> > > Ableton.
> > > 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
> > > 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.
> > >
> > > Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
> > > working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
> > > powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
> > > spent on getting those things rolling.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
>; > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

"So i'm getting you use it as an audio looping phrase sampler and sequencing everything with the CS?  cool."

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:32 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

I'm not really one to talk about DAW stuff.  But since you asked, I will give me two cents.
Matt, Ableton uses clips which are just loops, and those clips can be midi or audio and used at the same time.  Depends what you're trying to do.  As I said, I don't skim the surface of Ableton.  I use it the way that works best for me.  I don't use the internal sequencer.  I let the CS do that because I like it for the ambient dub techno I do.   Now if I were working on dub step or house or progressive stuff, I would say screw the CS and just use Fruity Loops or Logic.  Because you need to see what you're doing and the ability to draw certain events with envelopes, etc.   I mean you know how in dub step you can hear LFO wobble for a few bars and then all of suden the rate increases and drops back down to a slower wobble?  Things like that.  Ableton does track out in a linear fashion like the other software programs but it's not something I know about or care to learn.  For me the CS is just a midi looper.  The sequencer imho doesn't allow you to build entire assembled tracks like a DAW can.  I mean you can if you have to but man what a hassle.  Are you honestly going to do an intro, a few bridges, a hook, 3 break downs, a chorus, etc, etc and whatever else it takes to make a traditional pop sounding proper song all on the Command Station?  I mean maybe there are guys on the list doing this.  But I doubt it.  It just doesn't seem like a very elegant way to work.   Ableton is just a easy breezy sampler to me.  But unlike my other million samplers, this sampler supports VST plugins!  I use Ableton like a live drummer would use Ableton. I would just use Kontakt but it doesn't have VST support.  Ask 5 different guys how they use Ableton and they'll all tell you something different on how they use it.   There really is no right or wrong way to use it since it's so versatile. I think it sounds thin but I have bitched and moaned about that kind of stuff for years and I am really beating a dead horse. 

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Matt <somatt@...>; wrote:

 

So what's up with the ableton? why is it so awesome?  I know james will have a good answer for this.  When I first got into music it was like some type  of jive keyword if you're cool dubstepper kid u got the ableton.  That and being a desktop support tech totally turned me off of it since I don't want to be working (troubleshooting shit on the computer) when I'm supposed to be playing (making music).  But now I am starting to understand the power of the ability to view my patterns on a huge screen, and piano roll and stuff which can be a huge benefit.  These are things you can't do on the CS.  

Usually when I'm recording I just do live sets into audacity or a minidisc recorder... but i've been looking into possibly trying to integrate my computer.  I have reason 5, I have a demo or renoise, I still keep hearing that if you want to be pro you need to get ableton live... which is both attractive and unattractive about it.  

I have also been hearing good things about the Nuendo, pro tools, peak, cubase.  I have a little bit of experience with digital performer, but not enough to make me want to use it.  lol.

What's up DAW users give me the lowdown!  Maybe this should be a new thread.  

-matt

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:03 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

Oh ok, now I see why you're using MidiYoke.  The apps are fighting over the midi ports.  I ran into this in the past.  One c-blocks the other as they're jockeying for resources the whole time and one falls off.   I gotcha now.

Neat stuff, but I am not feeling the integration.  That's just me tho.  If I were to use a full blown DAW than I would just get a midi controller and leave the CS off the chain.  I think it complicates things.  Atleast at this point.   I'll probably get bored and try and jack with it later.  Right now tho, I am not feeling it.

FL Studio was worse by the way.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:44 PM, stimresp <stimresp@...> wrote:

 

Make sure you are in multi mode and that rechannelize is off (both in the MIDI menu).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> I am going to try it in FL Studio and report back.
>
>

> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM, stimresp wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist
> > was:
> >
> > Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel
> > data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel
> > track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.
> > Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.
> >
> > Another possible solution is detailed here:
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175
> >
> > Cheers,
> > J
> >

> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Bruno

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri
> > > napisa³:
> >
> > > >; All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to
> > do this or that.
> > >
> > > 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
> > > software to another).
> > > 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
> > > 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
> > > think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
> > > but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
> > > venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
> > > by channel" later.
> > > 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
> > > for Another Sequencer (AS).
> > > 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
> > > 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
> > > Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
> > > Ableton.
> > > 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
> > > 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.
> > >
> > > Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
> > > working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
> > > powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
> > > spent on getting those things rolling.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >
> >;
>

"So i'm getting you use it as an audio looping phrase sampler and sequencing everything with the CS?  cool."

No. Just as one-shot audio samples.  I'll email you offline.

dude it's a joke.  it's so easy

 

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:32 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

I'm not really one to talk about DAW stuff.  But since you asked, I will give me two cents.
Matt, Ableton uses clips which are just loops, and those clips can be midi or audio and used at the same time.  Depends what you're trying to do.  As I said, I don't skim the surface of Ableton.  I use it the way that works best for me.  I don't use the internal sequencer.  I let the CS do that because I like it for the ambient dub techno I do.   Now if I were working on dub step or house or progressive stuff, I would say screw the CS and just use Fruity Loops or Logic.  Because you need to see what you're doing and the ability to draw certain events with envelopes, etc.   I mean you know how in dub step you can hear LFO wobble for a few bars and then all of suden the rate increases and drops back down to a slower wobble?  Things like that.  Ableton does track out in a linear fashion like the other software programs but it's not something I know about or care to learn.  For me the CS is just a midi looper.  The sequencer imho doesn't allow you to build entire assembled tracks like a DAW can.  I mean you can if you have to but man what a hassle.  Are you honestly going to do an intro, a few bridges, a hook, 3 break downs, a chorus, etc, etc and whatever else it takes to make a traditional pop sounding proper song all on the Command Station?  I mean maybe there are guys on the list doing this.  But I doubt it.  It just doesn't seem like a very elegant way to work.   Ableton is just a easy breezy sampler to me.  But unlike my other million samplers, this sampler supports VST plugins!  I use Ableton like a live drummer would use Ableton. I would just use Kontakt but it doesn't have VST support.  Ask 5 different guys how they use Ableton and they'll all tell you something different on how they use it.   There really is no right or wrong way to use it since it's so versatile. I think it sounds thin but I have bitched and moaned about that kind of stuff for years and I am really beating a dead horse. 

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

 

So what's up with the ableton? why is it so awesome?  I know james will have a good answer for this.  When I first got into music it was like some type  of jive keyword if you're cool dubstepper kid u got the ableton.  That and being a desktop support tech totally turned me off of it since I don't want to be working (troubleshooting shit on the computer) when I'm supposed to be playing (making music).  But now I am starting to understand the power of the ability to view my patterns on a huge screen, and piano roll and stuff which can be a huge benefit.  These are things you can't do on the CS.  

Usually when I'm recording I just do live sets into audacity or a minidisc recorder... but i've been looking into possibly trying to integrate my computer.  I have reason 5, I have a demo or renoise, I still keep hearing that if you want to be pro you need to get ableton live... which is both attractive and unattractive about it.  

I have also been hearing good things about the Nuendo, pro tools, peak, cubase.  I have a little bit of experience with digital performer, but not enough to make me want to use it.  lol.

What's up DAW users give me the lowdown!  Maybe this should be a new thread.  

-matt

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:03 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

Oh ok, now I see why you're using MidiYoke.  The apps are fighting over the midi ports.  I ran into this in the past.  One c-blocks the other as they're jockeying for resources the whole time and one falls off.   I gotcha now.

Neat stuff, but I am not feeling the integration.  That's just me tho.  If I were to use a full blown DAW than I would just get a midi controller and leave the CS off the chain.  I think it complicates things.  Atleast at this point.   I'll probably get bored and try and jack with it later.  Right now tho, I am not feeling it.

FL Studio was worse by the way.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:44 PM, stimresp <stimresp@...> wrote:

 

Make sure you are in multi mode and that rechannelize is off (both in the MIDI menu).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> I am going to try it in FL Studio and report back.
>
>

> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM, stimresp wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist
> > was:
> >
> > Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel
> > data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel
> > track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.
> > Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.
> >
> > Another possible solution is detailed here:
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175
> >
> > Cheers,
> > J
> >

> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Bruno

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri
> > > napisa³:
> >
> > > > All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to
> > do this or that.
> > >
> > > 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one
> > > software to another).
> > > 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.
> > > 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I
> > > think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),
> > > but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,
> > > venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split
> > > by channel" later.
> > > 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input
> > > for Another Sequencer (AS).
> > > 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.
> > > 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press
> > > Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in
> >; > Ableton.
> > > 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.
> > > 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.
> > >
> > > Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure
> > > working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more
> > > powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day
> > > spent on getting those things rolling.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >;
> >
>

 

So that's what multi is for

On Feb 1, 2011 1:58 AM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, stimresp wrote:
>
>> I've had only limited success dumping DAW-derived patterns into the CS vi e-loader.
> Usually, the channel information is not retained, and sometimes the imported pattern
>; introduced some note offsets.
>>
>
> Yes, I also found note offset problem.
> If the pattern length modified by the Live, the CS looses the last notes
> of the loop.
>
>
>> However, it is possible to record a multichannel pattern/arrangement
> onto a multichannel (Multi-A) track on the CS (using 'first note record'),
> copy that track to clipboard, then 'explode' it to the individual tracks. Works for me.
>>
>
> Thanks for this tip. I was trying to record with Multi MIDI mode and
> switched off rechannelizing with no succes because I forgot to use
> Copy/Explode track after recording. :)
>
>
>> I'm also using stepbeater VST to program drums. The midi-drag-drop imports directly into e-loader
> with channel information retained, with sometimes minor-but-correctable timing issues.
> see: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175
>>;
>
> Thanks for this link again, but for me is all about Live and CS.
> I use Live to add grooves and shuffles to the CS patterns
> and redraw the modulation curves if they need.
> As I see Stepbeater doesn't offer these functions.
>
> But anyway now I know how to record multichannels by CS
> I satisfied with this workflow. :)
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>> cheers,
>> J
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> let the fun begin!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/1/30 James Ulibarri
>>>
>>>> That's totally nuts man. ( In a good way).
>>>> Yeah I don't mind that it does one track at a time. I think a
>>>> multitracked file would just make things more complicated. I love how you
>>>> said you're juggling files back and forth
>>>> to the CS and Ableton. I love the sound of that work flow. I wonder why
>>>> more people aren't working like this. Or maybe they are and they're just
>>>> keeping it on the low. That's cool if they are and I respect that. I'll
>>>> be trying this tonight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/1/30 Sz?nyi András
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks, bro. I will try it and let you know what happens. Ableton and
>>>>> the
>>>>>> CS could be the deadly combination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's an annoying issue with Ableton: the way it exports MIDI.
>>>>> Ableton lets you export only ONE clip to MIDI, not the whole arrangement
>>>>> or a whole row in the session view. With other words: no multitracks.
>>>>> (Although it can import or open multitracked MIDI files fine.)
>>>>>
>>>>> If you use other (older) DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, ProTools,
>>>>> Sonar/Cakewalk, etc... they are able to export multitrack MIDI.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW I also use the Live because it's very fast and intuitive in many ways.
>>>>> So if I want to send back edited MIDI from Ableton into the CS,
>>>>> I synchronize them and simply play/record it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>;
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Sz?nyi András 40c3.hu>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>;>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When dumping midi files to the CS such as tracked/clocked drawn
>>>>>>> modulation
>>>>>>>> is omitted I am assuming....
>>>>>>>> I am talking about say filter cutoff at measure 2.1 to 8.4 with a
>>>>> value
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> like 10 to say fully open at 127 at any point within a* *sequence,
>>>>> right
>>>>>>>> down to beats/measures. Will these kinds of events import over to type
>>>>>>> .mid
>>>>>>>> files through e-loader? If not, then I think what a damn shame. And
>>>>> what
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> hassle to do this on the CS when it's so silky smooth on a soft
>>>>>>> sequencer.
>>>>>>>> FL studio, etc. I think real-time tweaks on the CS is not exact enough
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> what I am talking about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All data of the sequence is stored in the MIDI file,
>>>>>>> and all parameters should be seen in a DAW.
>>>>>>>;
>>>>>>> I assume that you use Ableton Live:
>>>>>>> in the Envelope view of a clip the modulated parameters can be edited.
>>>>>>> Or you can select yourself any modulations by their MIDI Ctrl number.
>>>>>>> (As I remember ususally the MIDI Ctlr number 79 and 80 mapped to the
>>>>>>> filter cutoff and resonance of a factory patch.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>;>>
>>
>>
>>

 

I want a emax rack.

On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" <just_john_jj@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>
>> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost cheating and very
>> boring.
>> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a while.
>>
>>
>
>
> I've got a spare Emax, if you want a backup ...
>

 

What I have is the Emax-upgraded-to-SE keyboard.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>

> try and look for an Emax SE rack. that's the one to get
>
>
>
>
>
>

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I want a emax rack.

>; > On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" > > >
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> > >>;
> > >> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost cheating and very
> > >> boring.
> > >;> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a while.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >; >
> > > I've got a spare Emax, if you want a backup ...
> > >
> >
> >
>

 

How big is it

On Feb 1, 2011 11:34 PM, "just john" <just_john_jj@...> wrote:
> What I have is the Emax-upgraded-to-SE keyboard.
>
>
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>
>> try and look for an Emax SE rack. that's the one to get
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I want a emax rack.
>> > On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In xl7@...m, James Ulibarri wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost cheating and very
>> > >> boring.
>> > >> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a while.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I've got a spare Emax, if you want a backup ...
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

 

For sequencing, the two-line lcd interface is idiotic, compared to ANY modern software package.

 

I find the macbook super distracting or me as an artist, and I feel that it is distracting for fans at a show. I try to record everything elsewhere live and put on the computer in audacity just for post production export and uploading.
Just my opinion.

On Feb 3, 2011 11:05 AM, "Matt" <somatt@...> wrote:
> I think he means making songs since it's missing a scene function
> On Feb 3, 2011 2:45 AM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>> You haven't figured out how to do serious midi sequencing on your E-Mu
> Sequencer? What are you trying to do?
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "just john" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, I use it as an instrument.
>>>;
>>> Kinda like I use the XL-7, which ALSO is a no-go for serious MIDI
> sequencing.
>>>
>>
>>

 

Does anyone else use the XMix functionality?

I ashamedly have not been as active of late as in the past, but I used
to keep a consistent sound across each of the 16 tracks, so I could
fly in different pads and hats and perc etc on the fly to make a
constantly-moving sound structure, similar to a DJ mixing-

But then again, I'm a weirdo :)

-SS

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, gnarphlager@... wrote:
>
>;> I had a mc-909, but sold that to get the xl7 and haven't looked back.
>> well, maybe to the effects!).
> =================
>
> my current (mini-)setup - http://smasher.org/tmp/IMG_0495.JPG
>
> using hard panning and sub-outs, the XL7 has six mono outputs. each of the
> six outputs is fed into a multi-effect box (mono input), then to the mixer
> (stereo, except for kicks and bass).
>
> i should probably just turn the XL7 effects off globally, but for now
> they're just not not used.
>
>
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Physically, it's pretty darned big. So big, it's exiled to storage until I find a much larger place to live, or (more likely) a good home for it.

Let's see ... an E-mu PDF puts it at: Dimensions: 43" x 15―" x 5", 20lbs.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt wrote:
>
> How big is it

> On Feb 1, 2011 11:34 PM, "just john" > > What I have is the Emax-upgraded-to-SE keyboard.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> >>
> >>; try and look for an Emax SE rack. that's the one to get
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>;
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I want a emax rack.
> >> > On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost cheating and
> very
> >> > >> boring.
> >> > >> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a while.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I've got a spare Emax, if you want a backup ...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

 

my PX-7 sequences my Emulator II and Emax 1 SE rack.  i work in pattern mode

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

 

I find the macbook super distracting or me as an artist, and I feel that it is distracting for fans at a show. I try to record everything elsewhere live and put on the computer in audacity just for post production export and uploading.
Just my opinion.

On Feb 3, 2011 11:05 AM, "Matt" <somatt@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think he means making songs since it's missing a scene function
> On Feb 3, 2011 2:45 AM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>> You haven't figured out how to do serious midi sequencing on your E-Mu
> Sequencer? What are you trying to do?
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "just john" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, I use it as an instrument.
>>>
>>> Kinda like I use the XL-7, which ALSO is a no-go for serious MIDI
> sequencing.
>>>
>>
>>

 

i wish... but gigging with that will give me back problems  :(

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:34 PM, just john <just_john_jj@...> wrote:

 

Physically, it's pretty darned big. So big, it's exiled to storage until I find a much larger place to live, or (more likely) a good home for it.

Let's see ... an E-mu PDF puts it at: Dimensions: 43" x 15―" x 5", 20lbs.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt wrote:
>
> How big is it

> On Feb 1, 2011 11:34 PM, "just john" wrote:
> > What I have is the Emax-upgraded-to-SE keyboard.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> >>
> >> try and look for an Emax SE rack. that9;s the one to get
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I want a emax rack.
> >> > On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost cheating and
> very
> >> > >> boring.
> >> > >> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a while.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I've got a spare Emax, if you want a backup ...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

 

Would anybody really seriously attempt to write a symphony on a Command Station?

You can only see one note at a time.

And as far as I can tell, thanks the placement of the Big Knob, the only way to do any editing ergonomically is to hold the thing in your lap

... which I have, fondly. That cuts down on the arm strain from twiddling it over the course of a couple hours, just to move some notes around and adjust their paramaters.

Don't get me wrong, I love this thing. But as far as sequencing goes, it's basically a loop sequencer.

Great for djing. Not for really abstract, non-repetitive things. Heck, it can't even play multiple loops of different durations at the same time,

which both Ableton Lite and Garage Band can do. And Ableton Lite and Garage Band came free with hardware purchases.

For "serious" sequencing, I frequently go to my decade-old install of Digital Performer, and export MIDI from there.

Yes, your mileage will vary. I'm a big fan of Conlon Nancarrow, who did HIS sequencing by punching holes in paper player piano rolls. I didn't know this back in college when I was debugging computer programs by manually tweaking Hollerith cards in the same way

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt wrote:
>;

> I think he means making songs since it's missing a scene function

> On Feb 3, 2011 2:45 AM, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
> > You haven't figured out how to do serious midi sequencing on your E-Mu
> Sequencer? What are you trying to do?
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "just john" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey, I use it as an instrument.
> >>
> >> Kinda like I use the XL-7, which ALSO is a no-go for serious MIDI
> sequencing.
> >>
> >
> >
>

 

james do you use multi mode omni mode or poly mode?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

my PX-7 sequences my Emulator II and Emax 1 SE rack.  i work in pattern mode

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

 

I find the macbook super distracting or me as an artist, and I feel that it is distracting for fans at a show. I try to record everything elsewhere live and put on the computer in audacity just for post production export and uploading.
Just my opinion.

On Feb 3, 2011 11:05 AM, "Matt" <somatt@...> wrote:
> I think he means making songs since it's missing a scene function
> On Feb 3, 2011 2:45 AM, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> You haven't figured out how to do serious midi sequencing on your E-Mu
> Sequencer? What are you trying to do?
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "just john" wrote:
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>>> Hey, I use it as an instrument.
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>>> Kinda like I use the XL-7, which ALSO is a no-go for serious MIDI
> sequencing.
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No, that was the Emax keyboard thing he was talking about.

The only issues with the Command Station (for me) are the official bag for it, designed to route rain water into the insides, and the light (which I use) which can sometimes a pain to re-connect.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
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> we are still talking about the command station right? too big? back
> problems? dude, i could chuck the thing across the room with my pinky
> finger. i must have missed something. I find the unit to be pretty small
> actually. Like medium small. Not electribe or MFB gear small.
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> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Matt wrote:
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> > i wish... but gigging with that will give me back problems :(
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> > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:34 PM, just john wrote:
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> >> Physically, it's pretty darned big. So big, it's exiled to storage until I
> >> find a much larger place to live, or (more likely) a good home for it.
> >>
> >> Let's see ... an E-mu PDF puts it at: Dimensions: 43" x 15―" x 5",
> >> 20lbs.
> >>
> >>

> >> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Matt

> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > How big is it
> >> > On Feb 1, 2011 11:34 PM, "just john" wrote:
> >> > > What I have is the Emax-upgraded-to-SE keyboard.
> >> > >
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> >> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, James Ulibarri

> >> wrote:
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> >> > >> try and look for an Emax SE rack. that's the one to get
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> >> > >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
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> >> > >> > I want a emax rack.
> >> > >> > On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" wrote:
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> >> > >> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, James

> >> Ulibarri wrote:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost cheating
> >> and
> >> > very
> >> > >> > >> boring.
> >> > >> > >> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a
> >> while.
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> >> > >> > > I've got a spare Emax, if you want a backup ...
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Hey, did anybody ever write something for a PC or Mac that could read Emax diskettes in a sensible manner? If so, one could rescue samples that way, if one still had a diskette reader.

The one thing the Emax had that I've never seen elsewhere was the "Cruise Control" setting on the arpeggiator. If you've set it up to play over a measure, then if you hold two keys, that's two notes per measure that get played. If you hold nine keys, that's nine notes per measure. Not a whole lot of "normal" music applications for it, but it was damned fun.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
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> oh, ok. yeah the emax's are total tanks. plus it's not something you
> really should move around at all. the Emax is a cheaper Emulator EII with
> different SSM chips. non of these samplers should be moved. trust me,
>; they *love* to break. if you get one Matt, sample the Emax with another
> sampler like the little korg and bring that out, not the vintage Emu's.
> sample the sampler? yes, that's how you get cool sounds
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:56 PM, just john wrote:
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> >
>; >
> > No, that was the Emax keyboard thing he was talking about.
> >
> > The only issues with the Command Station (for me) are the official bag for
> > it, designed to route rain water into the insides, and the light (which I
> > use) which can sometimes a pain to re-connect.
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, James Ulibarri
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > we are still talking about the command station right? too big? back
> > > problems? dude, i could chuck the thing across the room with my pinky
> > >; finger. i must have missed something. I find the unit to be pretty small
> > > actually. Like medium small. Not electribe or MFB gear small.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >; >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Matt wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > i wish... but gigging with that will give me back problems :(
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:34 PM, just john wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Physically, it's pretty darned big. So big, it's exiled to storage
> > until I
> > > >> find a much larger place to live, or (more likely) a good home for it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Let's see ... an E-mu PDF puts it at: Dimensions: 43" x 15―" x
> > 5",
> > > >> 20lbs.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Matt
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How big is it
> > > >> > On Feb 1, 2011 11:34 PM, "just john" wrote:
> > > >> > > What I have is the Emax-upgraded-to-SE keyboard.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>; > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, James Ulibarri
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> try and look for an Emax SE rack. that's the one to get
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >; >>
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> > > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
> > > >> > >>
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> > > >> > >> > I want a emax rack.
> > > >> > >>; > On Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM, "just john" wrote:
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> > > >> > >> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, James
> >
> > > >> Ulibarri wrote:
> > > >> > >> > >>
>; > > >> > >> > >> yeah that was fun for about 3 days and now it's almost
> > cheating
> > > >> and
> > > >> > very
> > > >> > >> > >> boring.
> > > >> > >> > >> Back to the Emax 1 and the ASR-X. No computers for me for a
> > > >> while.
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Interesting post.

FS1R here too ;) I9;m looking to rack it and the XL-7 with a Waldorf pulse in a midi loop. Just waiting for this new rack case to become available: http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=&id=646&o=pop&offset=1&c=78&s=78

XL-7 tracks 1-8 are reserved for Drums, Track 9 for Pulse, 10,11,12 for 3 parts FS1R, 13 for internal sounds (from the Vintage keys rom, mostly). Tracks 14, 15 and 16 are the MultiA/B automation tracks for buildups, fills, etc. There's also a blofeld in there - using the multi mode I can replace or layer any of the other tracks with a blofeld part. TBH I haven't used song mode - just x-mixing between patterns. I'm comfortable with this now.

Only problem is, my current soundcard (X-station) has only 2 inputs and I have no mixer. I've been using the XL-7 itself as the line mixer, but this is a crime. I want seperate outputs. Now hoping to soon snag an ESI ESU1808 - 18 input usb2 card, so I can multitrack directly into Reaper and apply VST fx per track. Not sure if latency will allow this in realtime, but on paper it's a nice recording/mixer setup. Eventually I'll fill the lower slots with a proper mixer, eq/compressor so I can be CPU independent.

Workflow-wise I like to grid-record the core drum pattern - Hats, then BD, snare directly on the CS using the knobs - this is a great feature of OS2. I also like the swing and offset controls on the CS - pity that they are 'destructive'. Saving regularly is a necessary habit, aquired here via much cursing and gnashing of teeth:)
For everything else it's a mixture of playing it realtime via the x-station or using custom sequencers in Reaktor. Record everything onto the CS, mix and match, etc.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Zsolt Szabó wrote:
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> I mainly use it to lay down quick beats & loops as basis for
> songs to work on. I use multi mode, almost exclusively pattern
> sequencing, rarely song mode to try out different arrangements.
>
> Ususally I use Logic 5.5 on PC to hyper edit the loops. It just
> doesn't get any better than this. Then the output is recorded in
> Nuendo as WAV.
> I could use Nuendo for midi sequencing as well, but
> I'm so addicted to hyper edit in Logic - the very best interface
> for drum sequencing, ever.
>
> For non-percussive sounds I don't use the XL7 at all - but I have only
> the XL7 ROM, which is not very compelling to me.
> Whean I assembled a partially OK song in Nuendo, then the MIDI
> is transferred to the XL7, separated to tracks/channels.
> Then I can experiment with the loop/song - I make the XL7
>; the master, which sends MIDI to my 8x8 setup - 2 x Waldorf mW1,
> AKAI MPC-42, Yamaha FS1R, Lexicon MPX-1, Oberheim Matrix 1000,
> and some routinly changing samplers and effects boxes.
>
> I know, it's somewhat complicated, but then I can go live everywhere
> with just the XL7 and still can precisely edit in the computer.
> The biggest headache is to correctly setup the MIDI Local On/Off
> and channel assignment through different songs and arrangements.
>
> Oh yeah, keeping everything tidy and consistent unfortunately is
> not an easy task with the XL7. What I really miss in it, is a ";Save All",
> which would assign & save everything as it is. I was seriously
> disappointed when I found out, that there's no such thing in it. :(
> How many times did I forgot to save a preset? Too many...
> especially when parallel editing several ones.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Zsolt | http://adsr.hu
>

 

i'm unloading some pretty fierce stuff...

Roland TB-303 - $1800 - Mint
Emu Emulator II with Mac SE running Sound Designer w/ 1100 SD4EII voices on CDR
$1800 - Great condition
Emu Emax SE rack - Great condition  $500
Ensoniq ESQ-M rack $350

No pets.  No kids.  Never gigged.


wanted:  I want a 3rd pair of Emu PM5 monitors.  email me if anyone is selling some.  Must be mint or close to it

email me if anyone is interested

 

just found a emax se rack on craigslist for 250...

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:00 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

i';m unloading some pretty fierce stuff...

Roland TB-303 - $1800 - Mint
Emu Emulator II with Mac SE running Sound Designer w/ 1100 SD4EII voices on CDR
$1800 - Great condition
Emu Emax SE rack - Great condition  $500
Ensoniq ESQ-M rack $350

No pets.  No kids.  Never gigged.


wanted:  I want a 3rd pair of Emu PM5 monitors.  email me if anyone is selling some.  Must be mint or close to it

email me if anyone is interested

matt, 

don't worry about those old machines.  they're are cool.  but they're more hassle than they are worth.  i am letting mine back in the water for an influx of casheesh for some other things in the studio i would rather have right now. 

honestly if you're gonna get an old sampler it would make more sense to get an ASR-X.

 

I'm interested in an asr-x... I want a sampler of some sort. 
I have an sp808ex but that's more of a long phrase sampler.  Can't use it for one shot drums or it will disk read error on your hi hats unless you bounce them to a phrase.  Can't use it for synth unless I bounce to a phrase because no midi, so can't transpose sounds.  It really is less of a sampler and more of a remixer. 
If I don't get something soon I'm going to buy an electribe.  Although now that I have grid mode figured out on the cs, buying an electribe seems a little senseless. 
I also had a lead on a maxed esi2000 for $100 or an mpc500 for $280.  However I really know nothing about the esi or the mpc. 

On Feb 7, 2011 3:56 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

Two Emax's left.  Keyboard and SE rack. $300 and $500.
is looking thin.

TB-303 - sold
Emulator II - sold

Novation Bass Station rack - As is.    (will turn on but no sound).  $75


Matt, any leads on an ASR-X?  I know where two are mint for around $300.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
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> matt, 
>

>...

 

Whoa for that price u can get machinedrum or dsi tempest in june

On Feb 7, 2011 7:12 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

 

"Can't use it for one shot drums or it will disk read error on your hi hats unless you bounce them...

that's really ghey right there.   yeah you need a real sampler, bro.

do you need filters and LFO's?  if not, then don't forget the Akai S20, or Akai Remix 16 (hard to find) or the Akai Remix 88 (even harder to find).  or even the Yamaha SU200 or even the Yamaha SU10 as it sounds like you're needing just a simple one shot drum sampler. 

Emax 1 rack drums sound filthy dirty in a good way by taking the sampling rate all the way down.  You have to choose before hand though.  You can't Resample like the Akai's. 

If you're looking for the ULTIMATE drum sampler for the CS than find a Forat F16.   Eight individual outs with 8 analog chips on each output.  That's what I am after myself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&hash=item43a34c66b8&item=290502502072&nma=true&pt=Keyboards_MIDI&rt=nc&si=4e5F5VywEc%252BFKfstzKqFyq6hbWY%253D

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
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> I'm interested in an ...

 

"dirty" "warm" blah blah- this is sounding audiophilic-

That said I agree with James' statement, but a solution is much nearer and cheaper: analog VCAs on your way out from the master mix, be they tube or transistor.

My own choice is a Peavey solid-state unit made for guitars :)

-SS

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:17 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:

the problem with those ROMS is that you'll never get that dirty warm sound out of them.  it's all glistening clean all the time.  boooooo.....   sounds really nerdy to me. 

the ASR-X and SP1200 get this dirty, Matt.  

Drop something like this at one of your shows..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phzGyVjZZ7A&feature=related

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I don't remember- (my stuff is all packed up in bins at the moment)-

It's a fairly old Peavey FX stomp box that I don't use any of the FX on, but which provides a transistor gain section meant to create tube-like distortion for guitars.

Behind my 303 it created the most ripping acid lines ever.

Nowadays I use it behind my devices without distortion (SQ80 and TX81Z)

If you're lacking "warmth" then all you need is something with an adjustable analog gain circuit.

This can be something as simple and cheap as a Sansamp: http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/classic.html

Or an optical compressor: http://www.joemeek.com/threeq3.html

Or as sophisticated as a Sherman: http://www.sherman.be/

"warmth" = even-harmonic distortion, and I'm guessing you already have a few things laying around that are capable of doing it in pleasing ways-

-SS

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

What is the device called? 

On Feb 8, 2011 6:45 PM, "Scott Solmonson" <scosol@...> wrote:

 

"dirty" "warm" blah blah- this is sounding audiophilic-

That said I agree with James' statement, but a solution is much nearer and cheaper: analog VCAs on your way out from the master mix, be they tube or transistor.

My own choice is a Peavey solid-state unit made for guitars :)

-SS

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:17 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
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