Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

>
> I've experienced this kind of file corruption too.  Have you swapped ROMS
> lately?
> Me, personally, I am constantly doing a reinitialize for the CS.  I would
> get in the habit of backing up your stuff as much as possible.  Because I
> think resetting the unit is something that one has to get to used to.  I
> would not rely on this unit as your sole sequencer.  There is no removable
> data storage on the unit, unfortunately, unlike other sequencers out there.
>   So it's a crap shoot all the time for the data to stay clean as it's
> always gonna stay on board internally.
> 
> Anyone want to sell me a Studio 440 they're not using??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, dutchbeats <dutchbeats@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Is it normal when I load up a song for it to have different mute settings
> > than when i saved it? Also, after the first pattern in the song passes, is
> > it normal for all 16 tracks to unmute where none had been before and the
> > original pattern only uses a couple tracks? Then when you delete just the
> > 'unmute 1st channel' event it goes back to normal?
> >
> > Finally, is it normal for there to be a bunch of random track mutes
> > recorded in song mode that i didn't even press? I sound sarcastic but these
> > are very real problems with song mode in my xl-7.
> >
> >  
> >
>

>
> i backed up my sequences but is there a way to backup user presets or are they stored on the sound rom? i haven't changed rom's yet and it just has the xlead rom. i didn't do a reset when i got it either and so far it has defragged once in two years of casual use. 
> 
> i need new buttons but it is weird in song mode how random track mutes show up after real time recording the mutes. it's like it responds to velocity with the track mute buttons and throws in extra ones in the event list. which makes it all but torture to try and sift through and edit. 
> 
> i think my days of dreaming about using song mode for any kind of arranging are over and i'll just keep recording on the fly mixes for as long as it takes to get the parts right then splice out the errors in daw. 
> 
> worst part of song mode though is where the track mutes reset every 32 bars when the next pattern starts, making it impossible to render a live mix. micro-editing the errors at the 32 bar turnarounds is nothing short of advanced nuclear physics and involves sifting through a bunch of extra track mute events. 
> 
> i could suck it up and get an mpc which i've never used and pre-arrange all of the change ups and break downs and choruses and then string them together. but that is why i chose the command station! so i can do everything on the fly. the 32 bar limitation in song mode is like tripping right at the finish line and kills what would have been a really 'perfect sequencer'.
> 
> i still love my xl-7 though 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> >
> > I've experienced this kind of file corruption too.  Have you swapped ROMS
> > lately?
> > Me, personally, I am constantly doing a reinitialize for the CS.  I would
> > get in the habit of backing up your stuff as much as possible.  Because I
> > think resetting the unit is something that one has to get to used to.  I
> > would not rely on this unit as your sole sequencer.  There is no removable
> > data storage on the unit, unfortunately, unlike other sequencers out there.
> >   So it's a crap shoot all the time for the data to stay clean as it's
> > always gonna stay on board internally.
> > 
> > Anyone want to sell me a Studio 440 they're not using??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, dutchbeats <dutchbeats@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it normal when I load up a song for it to have different mute settings
> > > than when i saved it? Also, after the first pattern in the song passes, is
> > > it normal for all 16 tracks to unmute where none had been before and the
> > > original pattern only uses a couple tracks? Then when you delete just the
> > > 'unmute 1st channel' event it goes back to normal?
> > >
> > > Finally, is it normal for there to be a bunch of random track mutes
> > > recorded in song mode that i didn't even press? I sound sarcastic but these
> > > are very real problems with song mode in my xl-7.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

>
> Hi I think you might be arranging the pattern in step mode on song mode? I
> found when i do this each time the pattern is stepped the tracks will mute
> or unmute to match the original pattern. I can get around this by stepping
> it once and then recording. It will continue tto repeat the pattern without
> adding track mutes unmutes etc.
> On Jan 16, 2011 11:26 PM, "dutchbeats" <dutchbeats@...> wrote:
> > i backed up my sequences but is there a way to backup user presets or are
> they stored on the sound rom? i haven't changed rom's yet and it just has
> the xlead rom. i didn't do a reset when i got it either and so far it has
> defragged once in two years of casual use.
> >
> > i need new buttons but it is weird in song mode how random track mutes
> show up after real time recording the mutes. it's like it responds to
> velocity with the track mute buttons and throws in extra ones in the event
> list. which makes it all but torture to try and sift through and edit.
> >
> > i think my days of dreaming about using song mode for any kind of
> arranging are over and i'll just keep recording on the fly mixes for as long
> as it takes to get the parts right then splice out the errors in daw.
> >
> > worst part of song mode though is where the track mutes reset every 32
> bars when the next pattern starts, making it impossible to render a live
> mix. micro-editing the errors at the 32 bar turnarounds is nothing short of
> advanced nuclear physics and involves sifting through a bunch of extra track
> mute events.
> >
> > i could suck it up and get an mpc which i've never used and pre-arrange
> all of the change ups and break downs and choruses and then string them
> together. but that is why i chose the command station! so i can do
> everything on the fly. the 32 bar limitation in song mode is like tripping
> right at the finish line and kills what would have been a really 'perfect
> sequencer'.
> >
> > i still love my xl-7 though
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've experienced this kind of file corruption too. Have you swapped ROMS
> >> lately?
> >> Me, personally, I am constantly doing a reinitialize for the CS. I would
> >> get in the habit of backing up your stuff as much as possible. Because I
> >> think resetting the unit is something that one has to get to used to. I
> >> would not rely on this unit as your sole sequencer. There is no removable
> >> data storage on the unit, unfortunately, unlike other sequencers out
> there.
> >> So it's a crap shoot all the time for the data to stay clean as it's
> >> always gonna stay on board internally.
> >>
> >> Anyone want to sell me a Studio 440 they're not using??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, dutchbeats <dutchbeats@> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Is it normal when I load up a song for it to have different mute
> settings
> >> > than when i saved it? Also, after the first pattern in the song passes,
> is
> >> > it normal for all 16 tracks to unmute where none had been before and
> the
> >> > original pattern only uses a couple tracks? Then when you delete just
> the
> >> > 'unmute 1st channel' event it goes back to normal?
> >> >
> >> > Finally, is it normal for there to be a bunch of random track mutes
> >> > recorded in song mode that i didn't even press? I sound sarcastic but
> these
> >> > are very real problems with song mode in my xl-7.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

>
> Song length determined by when the stop event is inserted I believe
> On Jan 17, 2011 9:13 AM, "dutchbeats" <dutchbeats@...> wrote:
>

>
> dang now i have to find a baker who uses lots of rum. matt and group thank you! i did some testing and will try to make it simple.
> 
> things i learned today about command station song mode:
> 
> 1) you can place a stop event or none event anywhere in the song. there could be a stop event first thing in the song, in which case the play button will appear to be broken ;) or there can be a none event anywhere in the song and set from 0-99 bars(max 99 bars in a step), in which case the sequencer will keep running and all note/event data still recordable and playing back in time on the midi track on through to the next pattern.
> 
> 2) ending a song with stop vs none event: with a none event the sequencer will keep playing/recording note/event data indefinitely but no pattern will be playing. with a stop event the sequence will stop at the end of the last step.
> 
> 3) ending a song without either of these will let the last pattern play indefinitely with no pattern reseting(yay!). this is the option to use when recording a live mix, just put one pattern in the song and let it play through the first cycle and then record track mutes and play notes etc forever.
> 
> 4) about #3. another option besides recording over the indefinite loop is to make the patterns or 'steps' 99 bars in step edit. this is almost the same thing as above but with a pattern reload/mute reset occurring every 99 bars. one strange thing though is a 99 bar step will leave a blank in the bar field. a 98 bar step will say 98 but 99 will just have a dash. no big deal since 3 x 32 is 96 which would be an easier number to work with. also should mention that if you delete a 'none' step in step mode, the step before it will increase in length
> the same amount of bars that the deleted none step was.
> 
> 5) if you record note/event data past the last pattern and into the indefinite loop phase it will continue to record. if you then place a stop event at the last bar after recording, the song will be chopped off at wherever the last pattern ended and your work apparently lost. however, removing the stop event and letting the sequencer play through will let you hear the notes again. so the data track and the pattern order/orientation are on separate yet equal time lines!
> 
> lastly, hopefully fixable, after doing some overdubs and listening to the song again, the channel that i recorded notes with has been changed so it is playing the same midi data but using a different track with other sounds on it! yet i only get a choice between multi a and multi b so i don't know what went wrong or how to switch it back. this is in the box though for this test. i hope to sort it out for when i use it with my samplers.
> 
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt <somatt@> wrote:
> >
> > Song length determined by when the stop event is inserted I believe
> > On Jan 17, 2011 9:13 AM, "dutchbeats" <dutchbeats@> wrote:
> >
>