Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> Is there a way to slightly delay the even numbered 16th note beats in a
> pattern? That is step 2,4,6, etc will play a little later than normal.
> Anyone have any feedback to get this shuffly feel I am after.
>
>; Basically offsetting notes right? Not sure how one is to drill down on
> a specific note though, verses the whole pattern track? Is this
> possible?

====================

XL7-OpMan-G.pdf - pg 79-80 (pdf pg 91-92) - Quantize & Swing

if you want to edit individual notes you can use the event editor, but i
think the quantize/swing is what you're looking for.

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> Thanks, Atom. I knew all the quantization stuff and use it often. But
> I was trying to go into microscopic mode and shift individual notes
> (push/pull).

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then you're looking for the "Note List Editor" (did i call it the event
editor? that's for non-note events)... XL7-OpMan-G.pdf, pg 99 (pdf pg
111). you can get in there and move notes around, one at a time.

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Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
reasonable price.
Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
the E-MU Command Stations. :)
(http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)

I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)

I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
(Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)

Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?

Andrew

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Atom Smasher wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
>> I've studied shuffle for almost 3 years ore more and I swear it has to
>> do more with attack and sometimes even velocity for more esoteric groove
>> templates.
> ================
>
> it's an inexact science ;)
>

I really like to play wit the CS's sequencer, but this is that point,
when I upload/download the pattern to a computer, and edit it visually in a DAW.
Jumping between the parameters of the notes in the CS's
submenus kills the groove and the musical idea. Or I am too impatient...

a

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Atom Smasher wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Sz?nyi Andr?s wrote:
>
>> I mean "human feeling",
> ============
>
> i often hear it in my head, then tap it out in real-time-record.
>

You are right!
And tap it out with the same timing on the the bass channel too. :)
And if you can already do it anytime you want, you don't need to use
a midi sequencer anymore. That is all about. :)

Andrew

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Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

>>honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude.<<

that's rather simplistically judgmental, james, if you don't mind me sticking my opinion into "your thread" :-)

doesn't it depend on how they're using it?

I've used the ES-1 for years now as a live sample playback machine for daft noises (i.e. I hit the pads on the thing & strange noises come out through the minimal lo-fi effects engine). it's smaller than anything else with the same capability, & doesn't need a hard-drive to load from.

+ as I mentioned before, I can load samples into it real quick using the memory card.

I also use it as a tap-tempo clock source to run other sequencers from, because that works best with a real drummer. & sometimes the pedestrian-sounding metronomic sequencer engine makes a rhythm that works /because/ it doesn't swing. if you play other (live) instruments against a rigid, non-swinging beat like that, you can still swing against it.

you probably don't like anything made with the early roland rhythm boxes either then? or the moog 960? just asking.

duncan.

> dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle.

James, there's a fair other bit of musicians around that would say the same thing about your reliance upon swing, quantization etc- I myself don't want to program them, they get built naturally because I input them with drumsticks :)
IMO there are two kinds of samplers- phrase samplers and reproduction samplers.
When combined with a capable sequencer, a phrase sampler becomes an awesome drum machine.
And the Korg Electribe ES-1 and ESX are the most directly-useful phrase-samplers I've ever used.

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On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri wrote:

>
>
> Matt,
>
> dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that';s a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
> also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.
>
> don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
>
> Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.
>
> On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> > reasonable price.
> > Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> > the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> > (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
> >
> > I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> > capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
> >
> > I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> > I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> > Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> > to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> > (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
> >
> > Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
> >
> >
> > Andrew
>
>
>
>

Although no one has written an interest in,
I got the answer: the (second) ASR-X Pro has been sold... :(

By the way, what the average price for an ASR-X pro on ebay?
The 80000 HUF (~390 USD) was a good price?

Andrew

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Szőnyi András wrote:

>
>
> I've just called the guy, who's selling it, and he said he may want to keep
> it, which I don't really mind now because ~yesterday clavia has announced
> they release Nord Stage 2 with sampler functionalties.
> I have a Stage Classic, so I will spend my saving to that upgrade...
> (I know it's not the same as an Ensoniq sampler, if I could afford,
> I would buy both of them.)
>
> Meanwhile an other ASR-X PRO appeared on the same Hungarian instrument-forum
> (http://www.absolute.hu/apro/apro.php?type=1&sel=1),
> the price is 80.000 HUF.
> (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=80000&From=HUF&To=USD)
>
> If anyone interested, I'll try to help in communication with the seller,
> nerogalaxy@gmail.com. (I tried to call him too, but he didn't pick it up.)
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Matt wrote:
>
>> Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of
>> electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling
>> since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to
>> program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the
>> manual.
>> On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
>>;
>>> reasonable price.
>>> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
>>
>>> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
>>> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>>>
>>> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
>>> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>>>
>>> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
>>> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
>>> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
>>> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
>>> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>>>
>>> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>

Recent ones have sold on eBay for $240 to $350 according to the "completed listings" information for 2011. There were two listed yesterday ... one for $270.00 and one for $449.00. The more expensive one had a SCSI drive packaged with it.

The price depends also on how much RAM is installed, whether the internal drive options are there, whether it has the 8 analog out card, whether some SCSI stuff is included, whether the sale includes sample disks and the condition.

DF

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--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Szőnyi András <andras@...> wrote:

From: Szőnyi András <andras@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] another sampler/sequnecer (almost OT)
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 2:16 AM

Although no one has written an interest in,
I got the answer: the (second) ASR-X Pro has been sold... :(

By the way, what the average price for an ASR-X pro on ebay?
The 80000 HUF (~390 USD) was a good price?

Andrew

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Szőnyi András wrote:

>
>
> I've just called the guy, who's selling it, and he said he may want to keep
> it, which I don't really mind now because ~yesterday clavia has announced
> they release Nord Stage 2 with sampler functionalties.
> I have a Stage Classic, so I will spend my saving to that upgrade...
> (I know it's not the same as an Ensoniq sampler, if I could afford,
> I would buy both of them.)
>
> Meanwhile an other ASR-X PRO appeared on the same Hungarian instrument-forum
> (http://www.absolute.hu/apro/apro.php?type=1&sel=1),
> the price is 80.000 HUF.
> (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=80000&From=HUF&To=USD)
>
> If anyone interested, I'll try to help in communication with the seller,
> nerogalaxy@.... (I tried to call him too, but he didn't pick it up.)
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Matt wrote:
>
>> Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of
>> electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling
>> since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to
>> program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the
>> manual.
>> On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
>>
>>> reasonable price.
>>> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
>>
>>> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
>>> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>>>
>>> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
>>> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>>>
>>> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
>>> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
>>> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
>>> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
>>> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>>>
>>> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>

The electribes DO have LFO's with selectable waveshapes, and swing. Yes, it is limited, but it's fast and fun, and can sound great with some work. A lot depends a lot on the style of music you are making and how much hands-on you want.

I have a Korg esx-1 and it compliments the CS nicely. It can be used as a sound module sequenced from the CS, with all the associated benefits, and they do respond to velocity from midi-in. Load-up your samples and you have an enormous amount of hands-on control straight away. Fast, and great fun. You can still use it's crappy sequencer to lay-down motion sequences. This guy seems to sequence all his flash gear from an esx - with pretty decent results - http://www.youtube.com/user/muzik4machines

You can even bus a CS stereo output into the electribe and go haywire on it.

Oh, and that little arpeggiator strip is really nice - it even sends midi out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DzHBhPrxhJo

More than the sum of it's parts. I'm sure the ASRx is nice too (but where are all the knobs?) :)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq
> stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe
> performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the
> sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle.
> not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for
> me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it
> says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very
> minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no
> LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch,
> etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8
> output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
> also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect
> engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for
> the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and
> one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really
> limited.
>
> don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.
>
>
>

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of
> > electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling
> > since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to
> > program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the
> > manual.

> > On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "SzÅ`nyi András" wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I';ve just found an old machine for
> > a
> > > reasonable price.
> > > Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype
> > of
> > > the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> > > (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
> > >
> > > I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> > > capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>; > >
> > > I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> > > I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> > > Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> > > to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> > > (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
> > >
> > > Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew
> >
> >
>

so you're are using it like a sound module? so if you input your notes with sticks how do you over ride the internal sequencer when all the unit can ultimately do is 4/4, 16 step sequences? so let me get this straight.... you but the electribe in Record Mode and then you beat some sticks, and somehow the korg ignores that it can only receive on 8 or 16 steps? oh and it's nothing but whole notes too right?

i'm not being a smart ass. i just don't get what you're doing..

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Scott Solmonson <scosol@...> wrote:

> dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle.

James, there's a fair other bit of musicians around that would say the same thing about your reliance upon swing, quantization etc- I myself don't want to program them, they get built naturally because I input them with drumsticks :)
IMO there are two kinds of samplers- phrase samplers and reproduction samplers.
When combined with a capable sequencer, a phrase sampler becomes an awesome drum machine.
And the Korg Electribe ES-1 and ESX are the most directly-useful phrase-samplers I've ever used.

-SS

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On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri wrote:

>
>
> Matt,
>
> dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
> also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.
>
> don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
>
> Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.
>
> On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
>; > reasonable price.
> > Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> > the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> > (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
> >
> > I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> > capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
> >
> > I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> > I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> > Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> >; to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> > (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
> >
> > Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
> >
> >
> > Andrew
>
>
>
>

This is what I was talking about when I was asking about trying to do with the cs arpeggiator and pitch strip in another thread this week.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Jarlath Hynes <stimresp@...> wrote:

The electribes DO have LFO's with selectable waveshapes, and swing. Yes, it is limited, but it's fast and fun, and can sound great with some work. A lot depends a lot on the style of music you are making and how much hands-on you want.

I have a Korg esx-1 and it compliments the CS nicely. It can be used as a sound module sequenced from the CS, with all the associated benefits, and they do respond to velocity from midi-in. Load-up your samples and you have an enormous amount of hands-on control straight away. Fast, and great fun. You can still use it's crappy sequencer to lay-down motion sequences. This guy seems to sequence all his flash gear from an esx - with pretty decent results - http://www.youtube.com/user/muzik4machines

You can even bus a CS stereo output into the electribe and go haywire on it.

Oh, and that little arpeggiator strip is really nice - it even sends midi out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DzHBhPrxhJo

More than the sum of it's parts. I'm sure the ASRx is nice too (but where are all the knobs?) :)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq
> stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe
> performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the
> sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle.
> not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for
> me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it
> says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very
> minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no
> LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch,
> etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8
> output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
> also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect
> engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for
> the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and
> one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really
> limited.
>
> don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.
>
>
>

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of
> > electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling
> > since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to
> > program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the
> > manual.

> > On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "SzÅ`nyi András" wrote:
> >; >
> > > Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for
> > a
> > > reasonable price.
> > > Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype
> > of
> > > the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> > > (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
> > >
> > > I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> > > capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
> > >
> > > I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> > > I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> > > Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> > > to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> > > (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
> > >
> > > Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew
> >
> >
>

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
>; reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
>; I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

Maybe this will affect everyone's opinion. Originally years ago I used to play with reason a bit. then I got out of making music and played guitar for a couple years even though I'm horrible. I used to play with an electribe ea-1 with a roland tr-505. I did not know how to write my own sequences or save with the electribe, but I would slow the stock sequences down and tweak them out while playing drums sequenced with live parts on top. This got boring. I bought a sp-808ex. This was fun to hook a cheesy 80s keyboard up to and make a couple tracks, but I felt that it was difficult to play live. Then I bought the CS. The cs is freaking awesome. I currently play mostly with the CS and possibly with a kaoss pad kp3 hooked up in sync. Occasionally I invite other musicians to come jam and I loop them with the kp3. I heard things about rs-7k and had some money to burn 6 months ago so i watched the mailing list and so i bought one with all the accessories for a good price. I have no idea how to work this monster and the 4 inch thick manual I recieved with it is completely overwhelming.

So far I really love the CS but it is huge to bring out to all shows. Sometimes I don't want to bring a ton of gear especially if i'm not getting paid and taking the bus or bike. I am hoping for something I can use live with or without the cs and not to subject cs to going all around gigging.

That said i dig the esx arpeggio feature but find it difficult to program. I love the cs and wish it was 10 lbs lighter.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

I also have reason 5 and macbook pro but i hate computer machines now lol because i fixed them for a living for years and years up until 2009.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Maybe this will affect everyone's opinion. Originally years ago I used to play with reason a bit. then I got out of making music and played guitar for a couple years even though I'm horrible. I used to play with an electribe ea-1 with a roland tr-505. I did not know how to write my own sequences or save with the electribe, but I would slow the stock sequences down and tweak them out while playing drums sequenced with live parts on top. This got boring. I bought a sp-808ex. This was fun to hook a cheesy 80s keyboard up to and make a couple tracks, but I felt that it was difficult to play live. Then I bought the CS. The cs is freaking awesome. I currently play mostly with the CS and possibly with a kaoss pad kp3 hooked up in sync. Occasionally I invite other musicians to come jam and I loop them with the kp3. I heard things about rs-7k and had some money to burn 6 months ago so i watched the mailing list and so i bought one with all the accessories for a good price. I have no idea how to work this monster and the 4 inch thick manual I recieved with it is completely overwhelming.

So far I really love the CS but it is huge to bring out to all shows. Sometimes I don't want to bring a ton of gear especially if i'm not getting paid and taking the bus or bike. I am hoping for something I can use live with or without the cs and not to subject cs to going all around gigging.

That said i dig the esx arpeggio feature but find it difficult to program. I love the cs and wish it was 10 lbs lighter.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

I also have reason 5 and macbook pro but i hate computer machines now lol because i fixed them for a living for years and years up until 2009.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Maybe this will affect everyone's opinion. Originally years ago I used to play with reason a bit. then I got out of making music and played guitar for a couple years even though I'm horrible. I used to play with an electribe ea-1 with a roland tr-505. I did not know how to write my own sequences or save with the electribe, but I would slow the stock sequences down and tweak them out while playing drums sequenced with live parts on top. This got boring. I bought a sp-808ex. This was fun to hook a cheesy 80s keyboard up to and make a couple tracks, but I felt that it was difficult to play live. Then I bought the CS. The cs is freaking awesome. I currently play mostly with the CS and possibly with a kaoss pad kp3 hooked up in sync. Occasionally I invite other musicians to come jam and I loop them with the kp3. I heard things about rs-7k and had some money to burn 6 months ago so i watched the mailing list and so i bought one with all the accessories for a good price. I have no idea how to work this monster and the 4 inch thick manual I recieved with it is completely overwhelming.

So far I really love the CS but it is huge to bring out to all shows. Sometimes I don't want to bring a ton of gear especially if i'm not getting paid and taking the bus or bike. I am hoping for something I can use live with or without the cs and not to subject cs to going all around gigging.

That said i dig the esx arpeggio feature but find it difficult to program. I love the cs and wish it was 10 lbs lighter.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

i didn't know you're on your bike. the asr-x is too big then also.
if i were to go micro like what you need, i would get the electribes (paint them!), or the MFB boxes.

this one is so sick.

http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Musikelektronik/MFB-522/MFB-522e/mfb-522e.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

I also have reason 5 and macbook pro but i hate computer machines now lol because i fixed them for a living for years and years up until 2009.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Maybe this will affect everyone's opinion. Originally years ago I used to play with reason a bit. then I got out of making music and played guitar for a couple years even though I'm horrible. I used to play with an electribe ea-1 with a roland tr-505. I did not know how to write my own sequences or save with the electribe, but I would slow the stock sequences down and tweak them out while playing drums sequenced with live parts on top. This got boring. I bought a sp-808ex. This was fun to hook a cheesy 80s keyboard up to and make a couple tracks, but I felt that it was difficult to play live. Then I bought the CS. The cs is freaking awesome. I currently play mostly with the CS and possibly with a kaoss pad kp3 hooked up in sync. Occasionally I invite other musicians to come jam and I loop them with the kp3. I heard things about rs-7k and had some money to burn 6 months ago so i watched the mailing list and so i bought one with all the accessories for a good price. I have no idea how to work this monster and the 4 inch thick manual I recieved with it is completely overwhelming.

So far I really love the CS but it is huge to bring out to all shows. Sometimes I don't want to bring a ton of gear especially if i9;m not getting paid and taking the bus or bike. I am hoping for something I can use live with or without the cs and not to subject cs to going all around gigging.

That said i dig the esx arpeggio feature but find it difficult to program. I love the cs and wish it was 10 lbs lighter.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
>; Andrew

i didn't know you';re on your bike. the asr-x is too big then also.
if i were to go micro like what you need, i would get the electribes (paint them!), or the MFB boxes.

this one is so sick.

http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Musikelektronik/MFB-522/MFB-522e/mfb-522e.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

I also have reason 5 and macbook pro but i hate computer machines now lol because i fixed them for a living for years and years up until 2009.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Maybe this will affect everyone's opinion. Originally years ago I used to play with reason a bit. then I got out of making music and played guitar for a couple years even though I'm horrible. I used to play with an electribe ea-1 with a roland tr-505. I did not know how to write my own sequences or save with the electribe, but I would slow the stock sequences down and tweak them out while playing drums sequenced with live parts on top. This got boring. I bought a sp-808ex. This was fun to hook a cheesy 80s keyboard up to and make a couple tracks, but I felt that it was difficult to play live. Then I bought the CS. The cs is freaking awesome. I currently play mostly with the CS and possibly with a kaoss pad kp3 hooked up in sync. Occasionally I invite other musicians to come jam and I loop them with the kp3. I heard things about rs-7k and had some money to burn 6 months ago so i watched the mailing list and so i bought one with all the accessories for a good price. I have no idea how to work this monster and the 4 inch thick manual I recieved with it is completely overwhelming.

So far I really love the CS but it is huge to bring out to all shows. Sometimes I don't want to bring a ton of gear especially if i'm not getting paid and taking the bus or bike. I am hoping for something I can use live with or without the cs and not to subject cs to going all around gigging.

That said i dig the esx arpeggio feature but find it difficult to program. I love the cs and wish it was 10 lbs lighter.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
> the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

or akai S-20, even smaller!

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

maybe i should get mpc-500 lol

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matt <somatt@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a car but i mean it's good to have something u can take around without the car and jam on at starbucks or buddy's house or whatever.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:51 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

i didn't know you're on your bike. the asr-x is too big then also.
if i were to go micro like what you need, i would get the electribes (paint them!), or the MFB boxes.

this one is so sick.

http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Musikelektronik/MFB-522/MFB-522e/mfb-522e.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

I also have reason 5 and macbook pro but i hate computer machines now lol because i fixed them for a living for years and years up until 2009.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Maybe this will affect everyone's opinion. Originally years ago I used to play with reason a bit. then I got out of making music and played guitar for a couple years even though I'm horrible. I used to play with an electribe ea-1 with a roland tr-505. I did not know how to write my own sequences or save with the electribe, but I would slow the stock sequences down and tweak them out while playing drums sequenced with live parts on top. This got boring. I bought a sp-808ex. This was fun to hook a cheesy 80s keyboard up to and make a couple tracks, but I felt that it was difficult to play live. Then I bought the CS. The cs is freaking awesome. I currently play mostly with the CS and possibly with a kaoss pad kp3 hooked up in sync. Occasionally I invite other musicians to come jam and I loop them with the kp3. I heard things about rs-7k and had some money to burn 6 months ago so i watched the mailing list and so i bought one with all the accessories for a good price. I have no idea how to work this monster and the 4 inch thick manual I recieved with it is completely overwhelming.

So far I really love the CS but it is huge to bring out to all shows. Sometimes I don't want to bring a ton of gear especially if i'm not getting paid and taking the bus or bike. I am hoping for something I can use live with or without the cs and not to subject cs to going all around gigging.

That said i dig the esx arpeggio feature but find it difficult to program. I love the cs and wish it was 10 lbs lighter.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

Matt,

dude.. you already know my thoughts on the korg electribes and ensoniq stuff. honestly if i saw someone at a gig and i saw them with an electribe performing i would be like "wuss!". total cheese, dude. first of all the sequencer blows on the es-1. no swing, and no quantization, no shuffle. not sure if you're using any of those facilities but that's a big no no for me. how boring sounding. plus no real filters or LFO's. big deal if it says "filter". gee thanks. what kind of filter? lp/bp/hp at the very minimum let alone all the esoteric types in between must be implemented. no LFO's and no selectable waveshapes for those LFO's for the filter, pitch, etc. the ASR-X would allow you individual outs too if you bought the 8 output board. you can add a scsi board too for $100 from thesoniq.com
also the electribe effects are absolute cheese. that's not an effect engine... not sure what that is. but ASR has the same chip in the DP4 for the most part. that's a real effects mainframe. one is a workstation and one is a toy. you can make music with the korg but it's really really limited.

don't waste your money bro on an electribe. get the ASR-X.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

Did u get it and how do u like it? I am thinking of asr-x from ebay or of electribe esx. I already have rs7000 sampler too but thinking of selling since it sits in the corner for difficulty of use and also I can't seem to program it on the fly. Or maybe I just need to spend more time with the manual.

On Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM, "Szőnyi András" <andras@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
> reasonable price.
> Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
>; the E-MU Command Stations. :)
> (http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)
>
> I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
> capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)
>
> I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
> I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
> Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
> to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
> (Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)
>
> Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?
>
>
> Andrew

Sick ass.

http://futuremusic.com/blog/2011/01/13/roger-linn-dave-smith-unveil-tempest-analog-drum-machine/

Sorry, I wrote the answer before reading the article,
and I didn't know that they have parallel drum machine projects.

Andrew

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> No it's not the boomchik/Linn Drum II. In the article it said that's still
> in the works. Yeah right!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Szőnyi András <andras@c3.hu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>> http://futuremusic.com/blog/2011/01/13/roger-linn-dave-smith-unveil-tempest-analog-drum-machine/
>>>
>>
>> OMG!
>> Is this that beast which was almost ready in the last 3-4 years
>;> (as boomchik) ? :)
>>
>> ... and it seems to fit into a backpack for carrying it by bike.
>> BTW, I'm a biker, and I often carried my Stage Compact (73keys) on my
>> back, so a "heavy" ~rack-sized machine wouldn't be a problem. :)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>
>>> Sick ass.
>>>
>>> http://futuremusic.com/blog/2011/01/13/roger-linn-dave-smith-unveil-tempest-analog-drum-machine/
>>>
>

anyways.

Atom - "i don't spend time in step mode, but in "Grid Record" you can edit the

gate time for each note. pg 70-71 (pdf 82-83)."

actually messing with that parameter just changes the duration of the note/step. i was talking offsetting or initiating delay or pre-delay or pushing and pulling that particular track. no you cannot drill down on a note and move that actual step. it's not possible on the CS.
but if you want to shift a whole entire track you can, but not one step in particular.

my PX-7 is having some surgery done and it won't be back in my paws till next weekend. so I'm remembering playing with Shift and then having all the parameters parameters to move the track back or forward. i guess it's cool that it's so finite, but i wish there was a way to be able to move it 1/32nds or 1/16th's in delay verses having the whole bar:beat:tick parameters in front of me.

this is how you create shuffle if you program on even notes, such as 2,4.6, etc by track shifting (or delaying the track). so my question is.... what actually are the values when playing with the data encoder? i hate it when i cannot figure stuff by myself quickly. so pushing an entire measure would be equivalent to what? does anyone have a break down of what the CS is doing? sorry, i wouldn't have to ask if my unit was next to me.

What about to cut and paste that track?
You can define where (which track, which bar - you may have to alter the
length of a bar) to paste.
http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/XL7Op-F.pdf
82. cut / 84. paste page (by the PDF).

Andrew

> Besides all I am trying to do is nudge the track forwards and backwords (in
> the studio) by a fixed amount with intent.
> But in the Schaltwerk you can delay a track by 1/16ths and 1/32nds.
> But that machine is gone. Although I may have a lead on another.
> And that's what I am after here. How to nudge/push a CS track in the same
> way. I will just mess with it next weekend but the CS's Shift section is
> all I am trying to sort through in my head.
> What value with the data wheel will achieve a 1/16, 1/32, 1/64 nudge
> backwards (delay) in Emu's way of working?
>
> In this case it is an exact science, but i'm banging my head against the
> wall. It does work but what values equal what?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Szőnyi András <andras@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Excuse me for this rude question, but are you editing your
>> patterns on stage, in a live-perfomance-situation or
>> you just want to realize everything by the CS?
>> I mean, isn't it easier to edit these bits/notes in a DAW
>> and download/upload back the pattern to the CS?
>>
>> If the CS is the only "sequencer" part of your setup (without any
>> computer), I understand the thread...
>>
>> ...And one more thing I really sorry about: to jump in step or grid
>> recording mode, the sequence must be stopped. :(
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>
>>> anyways.
>>>
>>> Atom - "i don't spend time in step mode, but in "Grid Record" you can edit
>>> the
>>> gate time for each note. pg 70-71 (pdf 82-83)."
>>>
>>> actually messing with that parameter just changes the duration of the
>>> note/step. i was talking offsetting or initiating delay or pre-delay or
>>> pushing and pulling that particular track. no you cannot drill down on a
>>> note and move that actual step. it's not possible on the CS.
>>> but if you want to shift a whole entire track you can, but not one step in
>>> particular.
>>>
>>> my PX-7 is having some surgery done and it won't be back in my paws till
>>> next weekend. so I'm remembering playing with Shift and then having all
>>> the
>>> parameters parameters to move the track back or forward. i guess it's cool
>>;> that it's so finite, but i wish there was a way to be able to move it
>>> 1/32nds or 1/16th's in delay verses having the whole bar:beat:tick
>>> parameters in front of me.
>>>
>>> this is how you create shuffle if you program on even notes, such as
>>> 2,4.6,
>>> etc by track shifting (or delaying the track). so my question is.... what
>>> actually are the values when playing with the data encoder? i hate it when
>>> i cannot figure stuff by myself quickly. so pushing an entire measure
>>> would
>>> be equivalent to what? does anyone have a break down of what the CS is
>>> doing? sorry, i wouldn't have to ask if my unit was next to me.
>>>
>

>>But in the Schaltwerk you can delay a track by 1/16ths and 1/32nds.
> But that machine is gone. Although I may have a lead on another.<<

james, unless the schaltwerk you have a lead on is under $300, don't bother. save up & buy a real sequencer. just saying.

I have three maqs here, & I have used regelwerk, so I've got nothing against doepfer per se....

but my schaltwerk failed quite spectacularly to deliver, especially there were no s/w upgrades that could've done something with that interface.
but even simple stuff like chaining two patterns together left a tiny gap, which threw it out of lock with other sequencers, besides being out of rhythm.
I sold mine for $300 & lost a lot of money on the deal, but I was glad it was gone.

for that type of stuff (i.e. big grid of buttons in front of me), I use the octopus. mucho mejor. I also have two P3s, three notrons & a cirklon. & an XL7, obviously.
so you could say I'm pretty much a h/w sequencer type too.

hey- you want to buy a zeit? got one of those here.... :-)

duncan.

I haven't read all of the nitty gritty details in this thread, but I something is unclear. Correct me if I am wrong, originally the goal was to shift only certain notes (e.g., even numbered notes) by a set amount. Then, the goal was to just shift an entire track forward or backward. Is this correct?

If its the latter, I would think that SCALE/SFIT START TIMES would be the correct tool. If that it, it looks like the E-Mu sequencer uses 384 divisions ber measure or 96 ppq, 48 pp8th, 24 pp16th, 12 pp32nd, 6 pp64th, etc.

If you want to just shift some notes (e.g., every other note, I do believe you'd have to do that by hand. It may be time consuming to scroll through all the notes in a pattern and tweak them individually, but it can be done with near microscopic precision.

Again, I am not sure I understand the current goal, but I hope this helps.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> dude, why would a cut and paste utility help me nudge a track to play early
> or late?
>
> anways, i called Forat in LA and he said he knows what i am talking about.
> on an MPC you can swing notes both *early* and *late*. and i think there is
> different levels of this. i don't remember on my mpc-3000.
>
> ok, narrowing down further on my original question. in the Shift section
> of the CS, when a person is looking at the Bar:Beat:Tick section....Forat
> said what i am try to do has to do with the sequencer's timing resolution
> (ppq). and it takes a little math to figure out how to delay a track to the
> values i am trying to do.
>
> ok, i just found it online. i knew i wasn't smokin crack!! i'm a little
> surprised that this has never been discussed before. what the heck are you
> guys doing out there with your command stations? :)
>
> here is what i am saying to a tee...
>
> http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=274872&sid=8805545cd5cea257a2764d43d8539a0c
>
> bingo. figure this out and you have shuffle for days.
>;
>

> 2011/1/21 Szõnyi András

>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What about to cut and paste that track?
> >; You can define where (which track, which bar - you may have to alter the
> > length of a bar) to paste.
> > http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/XL7Op-F.pdf
> > 82. cut / 84. paste page (by the PDF).
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > > Besides all I am trying to do is nudge the track forwards and backwords
> > (in
> > > the studio) by a fixed amount with intent.
> > > But in the Schaltwerk you can delay a track by 1/16ths and 1/32nds.
> > > But that machine is gone. Although I may have a lead on another.
> > > And that's what I am after here. How to nudge/push a CS track in the same
> >
> > > way. I will just mess with it next weekend but the CS's Shift section is
> > > all I am trying to sort through in my head.
> > > What value with the data wheel will achieve a 1/16, 1/32, 1/64 nudge
> > > backwards (delay) in Emu's way of working?
> > >
> > > In this case it is an exact science, but i'm banging my head against the
> > > wall. It does work but what values equal what?
> > >;
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >

> > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Szõnyi András 40c3.hu>>

> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Excuse me for this rude question, but are you editing your
> > >> patterns on stage, in a live-perfomance-situation or
> > >> you just want to realize everything by the CS?
> > >> I mean, isn't it easier to edit these bits/notes in a DAW
> > >> and download/upload back the pattern to the CS?
> > >>
> > >> If the CS is the only "sequencer" part of your setup (without any
> > >> computer), I understand the thread...
> > >>
> > >> ...And one more thing I really sorry about: to jump in step or grid
> > >> recording mode, the sequence must be stopped. :(
> > >>
>; > >> Andrew
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> anyways.
> > >>>
> > >>> Atom - "i don't spend time in step mode, but in "Grid Record" you can
> > edit
> > >>> the
> > >>> gate time for each note. pg 70-71 (pdf 82-83)."
> > >>>
> > >>> actually messing with that parameter just changes the duration of the
> > >>> note/step. i was talking offsetting or initiating delay or pre-delay or
> > >>> pushing and pulling that particular track. no you cannot drill down on
> > a
> > >>> note and move that actual step. it's not possible on the CS.
> > >>> but if you want to shift a whole entire track you can, but not one step
> > in
> > >>> particular.
> > >>>
> > >>> my PX-7 is having some surgery done and it won't be back in my paws
> > till
> > >>> next weekend. so I'm remembering playing with Shift and then having all
> >
> > >>> the
> > >>> parameters parameters to move the track back or forward. i guess it's
> > cool
> > >>> that it's so finite, but i wish there was a way to be able to move it
> > >>> 1/32nds or 1/16th's in delay verses having the whole bar:beat:tick
> > >>> parameters in front of me.
> > >>>
> > >>> this is how you create shuffle if you program on even notes, such as
> > >>> 2,4.6,
> > >>> etc by track shifting (or delaying the track). so my question is....
> > what
> > >>> actually are the values when playing with the data encoder? i hate it
> > when
> > >>> i cannot figure stuff by myself quickly. so pushing an entire measure
> > >>> would
> > >>> be equivalent to what? does anyone have a break down of what the CS is
> > >>> doing? sorry, i wouldn't have to ask if my unit was next to me.
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
>

2011/1/22 James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>

> functionality on the Schaltwerk.... but for the Command Station? remember that trick? you had all those values... 1/32...7/32. the bottom line is that Command Station will do, it too but it's in the Bar:Beat:Tick format. there has got to be a semi elegant way of doing the same thing on the CS. what field should I be messing with to get 1/32nd's of delay on the CS, etc. is it the tick section?(the last set of numbers)

CSes have resolution of 384 ticks per quarter; since 1/32 is the 1/8
of quarter, it's equal to 48 ticks. If you want more, you have to
multiply, so 2/32 = 96, 3/32 = 144, 4/32 = 192 and so on.

HTH

Bruno

scale/shift is destructive like quantize but it's just moving things forward and backward. so if you move forward 24 ppq you can move back 24 to the original placement and try a different setting. also you can duplicate the duplicate track just in case. i may have spoken too soon about keeping the sequencer running, have to try it now..

i have two templates saved called start and start2. one has the bottom row assigned to external a, and one has the bottom row assigned to external b. so when i turn the machine on i just call up one of those and hold the erase button and slide my finger across the bottom row of tracks to wipe out the single place holder note that you have to have in each track(or event) for it to save the track routings. as long as my external samplers are on i am ready to make a beat. i can copy and paste between those tracks without needing to change routing and if i run out of tracks on the bottom, assigning the top ones is quite simple as you know. maybe i will make more templates in future as my

sampler collection increases. internal tracks are the same way, you have to call up the same preset on the track you paste to if it hasn't already been saved there.

keep rechannelize input turned on also of course!

edit: just read that with scale/shift to keep the scale (note duration) at 100% for the notes to be unaffected. shift +/-'s the note-on events.

--- In xl7@...m, James Ulibarri wrote:
>

> Ahh cut and paste... That was Andrew's idea. Sorry there bud :)
>
> Anyways, so your idea behind cutting and pasting would be because of
> what? Is the Scale/Shift destructive? So once I add track delay,
> then I am commited to it like quantization? So have a few variations
> with different delay settings. Although won't those trax have
> different midi channels associated to them? So I will have to
> constantly have to change my target midi channel to what I originally
> was trying to trigger. Right? Am I understanding you correctly?
>
> Ah yes I'm making a chart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:46 PM, "dutchbeats" wrote:
>
> > to shift certain notes you can duplicate the track. on the copied
> > track real time erase the notes you don't want to shift by holding
> > the notes down etc and on the original track erase the notes that
> > were kept on the copied track
> >
> > while the sequencer is playing you can scale/shift the track with
> > the aforementioned equations and experiment with different settings
> > before pasting back to the original.
> >
> > maybe make a chart with all ppq/note values and print it on the
> > panel for reference :)
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
> > >
> > > 2011/1/22 James Ulibarri
> > > > bruno,
> > > >
> > > > ok, great. it's starting to make sense.
> > >
> > > Glad you found it useful.
> > >
> > > > what about triplets? 1/32T is equal to 72 ticks? half of 48 is
> > 24, and you add 24 to 48
> > >
> > > Not exactly. A full triplet of 1/32T is equivalent to two 1/32 =
> > 1/16.
> > > Then 1/16 = 96, so 1/32T = 96/3 = 32. Go forth and multiply (by 2)
> > to
> > > get 1/16T and so on.
>; > >
> > > As a side note: I just love the way Rei Harakami mixes doublet-based
> > > beats with triplet-based ones...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bruno
> > >
> >
> >
>

OK, I have found something related in an earlier post:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/19486

"As for the e-mu's usb port, you cannot use that as a substitute for
midi. You either need a midi interface or a device such as a usb
keyboard that has a selectable midi port.

--Steve"

Thanks for the answer Steve! :)

Andrew

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011, Szőnyi András wrote:

>
>
>
> Although I have successfully installed the USB driver
> (on an XP) and the EMU device is recognized after connecting it,
> the E-loader software can9;t communicate with the CS, only via the MIDI port.
>
> Anyway The USB MIDI device is the same as the standard MIDI device
> in the CS? I mean, If the computer could communicate via USB using
> E-loader, the standard MIDI ports would be still opened?
>
>
> Andrew
>

I have a full day planned, but will try to look at the Schaltwerk thread and break down the ppq thing. It is a simple concept that once it clicks. I will explain more later, but here's the basic concept:

Measures are broken down into beats/note lengths/etc.
--e.g., there are four 1/4 notes per measure
Quarter notes are broken down into parts (also called ticks)
--e.g., there are 384 parts (or ticks) per 1/4 note.

384 is a nice number. (Basically it divides up nice for various note durations. I can explain more later.)

Also, this morning I was looking in the OS addenda (which I assume are embedded in the most recent editions of the manual). It struck me, in scaling or shifting start times, you can limit the range. Thus if you have a paticular drum on C2 that you want to make earlier in an entire track, you can do that. Then if you want to delay the start of an particular drum hit on E2, you can do that. I am not sure if that might be useful, but I thought of this thread when I read that.

Hope this helps.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>

> Steve,
>
> thanks for the feedback. yes, we're on the same page now. originally, yeah
> i had asked about certain notes, but the conversation morphed into track
> delay actually. sorry, that was my fault. and i was learning along the way
> as i started my rapid fire of questions.
>
> ok the ppqn stuff really does my head in to be honest. maybe you could
> break it down if you read my response that Duncan started called
> Schaltwerk.

[snip]

Sorry for a new non-E-MU question but I've just found an old machine for a
reasonable price.
Does anyone know the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro? - btw it looks like a prototype of
the E-MU Command Stations. :)
(http://www.vintagesynth.com/ensoniq/asrxpro.php)

I'm especially curious about the sound of that, not the sequencer
capabilities. (The CS's sequencer or a DAW is good enough for me.)

I know it is difficult to objectively talk about the sounds,
I try to give an example what kind of sound I'm looking for:
Until now I owned two samplers: E-MU ESI32 and an AKAI MPC 4000,
to be honest I felt the ESI has a much better sample playback.
(Unfortunately both machine had to be sold...)

Do I think right the ASR-X Pro has an ESI32-like sound or better?

Andrew