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FLASH SIMM update

2010-12-31 by woodsworth1

Just so you know its not forgotten...

I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).

I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:

The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
 a ROM in that single slot 0 only
 two ROM in slots 0 & 1
 three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
 four ROMs in all slots

Notes:
 if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
 the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to not emulate other slots
 if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another physical ROM in that slot.

Examples:
  virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
  xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
  multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...


The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated slots are hard coded to a predefined region -  basically not enough DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable slot emulation.

If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4 on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be useful in an ULTRA sampler.

The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another day.

It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM and would necessarily void your warranty :)

-----------------------------------

I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of January.

After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the programmer board to read them).

In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)

Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better off not having to change them too often even though you could write to them 100,000's of times.

Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the module is reset.

AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then incorporate them into a region image.

--

So there is some forward progress...

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by D F Tweedie

Oh hail the Prince of zeros and ones!
�
DF

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--- On Fri, 12/31/10, woodsworth1 wrote:

From: woodsworth1
Subject: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:38 PM

�
Just so you know its not forgotten...

I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).

I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:

The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
a ROM in that single slot 0 only
two ROM in slots 0 & 1
three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
four ROMs in all slots

Notes:
if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to not emulate other slots
if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another physical ROM in that slot.

Examples:
virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...

The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated slots are hard coded to a predefined region - basically not enough DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable slot emulation.

If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4 on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be useful in an ULTRA sampler.

The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another day.

It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM and would necessarily void your warranty :)

-----------------------------------

I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of January.

After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the programmer board to read them).

In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)

Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better off not having to change them too often even though you could write to them 100,000's of times.

Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the module is reset.

AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then incorporate them into a region image.

--

So there is some forward progress...


Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by Matt

This is awesome.

On Dec 31, 2010 7:25 PM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
> Oh hail the Prince of zeros and ones!
>  
> DF
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:38 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Just so you know its not forgotten...
>
> I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).
>
> I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:
>
> The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
> a ROM in that single slot 0 only
> two ROM in slots 0 & 1
> three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
> four ROMs in all slots
>
> Notes:
> if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
> the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to not emulate other slots
> if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another physical ROM in that slot.
>
> Examples:
> virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
> xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
> multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
>
> The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated slots are hard coded to a predefined region - basically not enough DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable slot emulation.
>
> If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4 on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be useful in an ULTRA sampler.
>
> The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another day.
>
> It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM and would necessarily void your warranty :)
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of January.
>
> After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the programmer board to read them).
>
> In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)
>
> Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better off not having to change them too often even though you could write to them 100,000's of times.
>
> Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the module is reset.
>
> AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then incorporate them into a region image.
>
> --
>
> So there is some forward progress...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by Atom Smasher

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, woodsworth1 wrote:

> Examples:
>  virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the 
> FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
>  xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 
> with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
>  multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules, 
> but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
===================

so each slot can be emulated independently...?

i would have thought that this would only use two DIP switches just to 
facilitate emulating consecutive slots:
  0x00 - no emulation
  0x01 - emulate slot 1
  0x02 - emulate slot 1,2
  0x03 - emulate slot 1,2,3

in any case, i'll probably just have it set up to emulate all four slots. 
my orbit-3 chassis is waiting for this.


-- 
         ...atom

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  http://atom.smasher.org/
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 	 I say this because other systems are worse."
 		-- Jawaharlal Nehru,
 		first Prime Minister of Independent India

PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-01 by James Ulibarri

Anyone use the command station with the yamaha A4000/5000?
Someone said they did and hated it. � But I also hated the S6000 and I don't think I can get stoked on any Ultra samplers. �Same old filters and waveshapes on every new school Emu sampler/module. � I've read that every parameter is CC'able on the Yamaha and what better machine to trigger it with than the CS. �The other reason I don't nuke my PX-7 for an RS7000 is because when I clock the command station from my sp1200 it clocks perfectly but somehow ignores the incoming master BPM and runs at it's own tempo but still keeps time. �So I can subdivide the tempo to like 64 verses 128 bpm on the 1200 and get some interesting polyrhythms going on there, verses other boxes that just mirrors the incoming bpm exactly from the master. �����

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

�

This is awesome.

On Dec 31, 2010 7:25 PM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
> Oh hail the Prince of zeros and ones!
> �
> DF
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...>
> Subject: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:38 PM
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Just so you know its not forgotten...
>
> I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).
>
> I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:
>
> The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
> a ROM in that single slot 0 only
> two ROM in slots 0 & 1
> three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
> four ROMs in all slots
>
> Notes:
> if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
> the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to not emulate other slots
> if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another physical ROM in that slot.
>
> Examples:
> virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
> xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
> multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
>
> The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated slots are hard coded to a predefined region - basically not enough DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable slot emulation.
>
> If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4 on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be useful in an ULTRA sampler.
>
> The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another day.
>
> It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM and would necessarily void your warranty :)
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of January.
>
> After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the programmer board to read them).
>
> In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)
>
> Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better off not having to change them too often even though you could write to them 100,000's of times.
>
> Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the module is reset.
>
> AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then incorporate them into a region image.
>
> --
>
> So there is some forward progress...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by Jack Pratt

There is the slot that the SIMM is actually in (should be slot 0) which is the physical slot, and obviously you can't have two SIMMs in one slot, and then there are the other slots which can be emulated or not depending on whether you have other ROMs you want to use [you can just emulate all the slots, but then everyone would start selling their excess SIMMs and the market would lose its bottom].

So you can use other SIMMs if you like. But the other reason for the DIP switch is that there are 7 ROM regions, and only four slots and you wouldn't otherwise be able to make use of all the FLASH (its quicker to flip a DIP switch than reprogram the SIMM). So you can have the SIMM programmed as you wish and make what use of it you like, but the option is there - you just don't have to use it. [I'm pretty sure that people will not buy the FLASH SIMM just for this feature ;-) ]



From: Atom Smasher
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 4:41:36 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

�

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, woodsworth1 wrote:

> Examples:
> virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the
> FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
> xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0
> with emulation of slots 2 &; 3.
> multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules,
> but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
===================

so each slot can be emulated independently...?

i would have thought that this would only use two DIP switches just to
facilitate emulating consecutive slots:
0x00 - no emulation
0x01 - emulate slot 1
0x02 - emulate slot 1,2
0x03 - emulate slot 1,2,3

in any case, i'll probably just have it set up to emulate all four slots.
my orbit-3 chassis is waiting for this.

--
...atom

________________________
http://atom.smasher.org/
762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808
-------------------------------------------------

"Democracy is good.
I say this because other systems are worse."
-- Jawaharlal Nehru,
first Prime Minister of Independent India


Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by Bruno

Hi Jack,

Thanks for the update - that was the best last news of 2010 ;-)

2011/1/1 woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...>:
> The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos etc].

Just in time - recently a thread started regarding the user generated
beats, so it's good to know one will be able to store them in Flash
SIMM.

Regards and best wishes for 2011

Bruno

Re: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by Bruno

2011/1/1 Jack Pratt <woodsworth1@...>
> There is the slot that the SIMM is actually in (should be slot 0) which is the physical slot, and obviously you can't have two SIMMs in one slot, and then there are the other slots which can be emulated or not depending on whether you have other ROMs you want to use [you can just emulate all the slots, but then everyone would start selling their excess SIMMs and the market would lose its bottom].

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind getting ROMs for the
quarter of their current price...

Re: FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-01 by electric-motion@hotmail.com

Jack,

Thanks a lot for the update.

I just can't wait to use it in my XL7 :)

Best wishes for 2011 and thanks for your hard work !

Geoffrey


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> 2011/1/1 Jack Pratt <woodsworth1@...>
> > There is the slot that the SIMM is actually in (should be slot 0) which is the physical slot, and obviously you can't have two SIMMs in one slot, and then there are the other slots which can be emulated or not depending on whether you have other ROMs you want to use [you can just emulate all the slots, but then everyone would start selling their excess SIMMs and the market would lose its bottom].
> 
> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind getting ROMs for the
> quarter of their current price...
>

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-02 by Matt

Hi
How do you subdivide the tempo? I love doing this but don't know how to do it with MIDI / px-7
Thanks
Matt

On Dec 31, 2010 10:57 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> Anyone use the command station with the yamaha A4000/5000?
> Someone said they did and hated it. But I also hated the S6000 and I
> don't think I can get stoked on any Ultra samplers. Same old filters
> and waveshapes on every new school Emu sampler/module. I've read
> that every parameter is CC'able on the Yamaha and what better machine
> to trigger it with than the CS. The other reason I don't nuke my PX-7
> for an RS7000 is because when I clock the command station from my
> sp1200 it clocks perfectly but somehow ignores the incoming master BPM
> and runs at it's own tempo but still keeps time. So I can subdivide
> the tempo to like 64 verses 128 bpm on the 1200 and get some
> interesting polyrhythms going on there, verses other boxes that just
> mirrors the incoming bpm exactly from the master.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
>> This is awesome.
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2010 7:25 PM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>> > Oh hail the Prince of zeros and ones!
>> >
>> > DF
>> >
>;> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may
>> contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is
>> solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized
>> interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may
>> violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications
>> Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact
>> the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 12/31/10, woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...>
>> > Subject: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update
>> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>;> > Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:38 PM
>> >
>;> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just so you know its not forgotten...
>> >
>> > I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were
>> the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).
>> >
>> > I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more
>> sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To
>> understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:
>> >
>> > The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave
>> memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos
>> etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in
>> the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any
>> other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
>> > a ROM in that single slot 0 only
>> > two ROM in slots 0 & 1
>> > three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
>> > four ROMs in all slots
>> >
>> > Notes:
>> > if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in
>> any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
>> > the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other
>> than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to
>> not emulate other slots
>> > if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another
>> physical ROM in that slot.
>> >
>> > Examples:
>> > virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 &; 3 and put
>> the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
>> > xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in
>> slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
>> > multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the
>> rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
>> >
>> > The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to
>> select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated
>> slots are hard coded to a predefined region - basically not enough
>> DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable
>> slot emulation.
>> >
>> > If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH
>> SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4
>> on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the
>> physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you
>> have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you
>> to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of
>> course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are
>> written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of
>> slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and
>> are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of
>> the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be
>> useful in an ULTRA sampler.
>> >
>> > The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is
>> possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any
>> slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the
>> OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another
>> day.
>> >
>> > It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the
>> outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to
>> the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM
>> and would necessarily void your warranty :)
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------
>> >
>> > I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably
>> confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the
>> fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send
>> the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of
>> January.
>> >
>> > After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow
>> them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the
>> programmer board to read them).
>> >
>> > In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to
>> create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new
>> presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge
>> the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real
>> point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)
>> >
>> > Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses
>> full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete
>;> region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better
>> off not having to change them too often even though you could write
>> to them 100,000's of times.
>> >
>> > Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able
>> to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change
>> the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the
>> module is reset.
>> >
>> > AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH
>> SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything
>> other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them
>> (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate
>> presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then
>> incorporate them into a region image.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > So there is some forward progress...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>

Re: FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-02 by David Unlimbo

Regardless of how much we love the E-MU's, it is an obsolete out-of-production unsupported piece of kit. The ROM's shouldn't command the 'excessive' second-hand value that they do. If the flash-ROM innovation devalues the ROM market then ALL of us will benefit. The probable outcome would be a healthy exchange of ROM's, all of us would have access to the entire E-MU library (instead of waiting months for 'that ROM' to appear on ebay).
I see no problems at all.
Bring it on Jack.
-- 

David Unlimbo 
www.akahum.com  www.myspace.com/akahum
"a tremendous set by Akahum" BBC News, Eden Festival


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, electric-motion@... wrote:
>
> Jack,
> 
> Thanks a lot for the update.
> 
> I just can't wait to use it in my XL7 :)
> 
> Best wishes for 2011 and thanks for your hard work !
> 
> Geoffrey
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> >
> > 2011/1/1 Jack Pratt <woodsworth1@>
> > > There is the slot that the SIMM is actually in (should be slot 0) which is the physical slot, and obviously you can't have two SIMMs in one slot, and then there are the other slots which can be emulated or not depending on whether you have other ROMs you want to use [you can just emulate all the slots, but then everyone would start selling their excess SIMMs and the market would lose its bottom].
> > 
> > I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind getting ROMs for the
> > quarter of their current price...
> >
>

Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-02 by Ivan Chaparro

I agree, they are over priced and having cheaper access to rom would strongly stimulate the e-mu community. Any idea when it will be ready?�

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "David Unlimbo" <subscribedgroups@...> wrote:

�


Regardless of how much we love the E-MU's, it is an obsolete out-of-production unsupported piece of kit. The ROM's shouldn't command the 'excessive' second-hand value that they do. If the flash-ROM innovation devalues the ROM market then ALL of us will benefit. The probable outcome would be a healthy exchange of ROM's, all of us would have access to the entire E-MU library (instead of waiting months for 'that ROM' to appear on ebay).
I see no problems at all.
Bring it on Jack.
--

David Unlimbo
www.akahum.com www.myspace.com/akahum
"a tremendous set by Akahum" BBC News, Eden Festival

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, electric-motion@... wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> Thanks a lot for the update.
>
> I just can't wait to use it in my XL7 :)
>
> Best wishes for 2011 and thanks for your hard work !
>
> Geoffrey
>
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
> >
> > 2011/1/1 Jack Pratt
> > > There is the slot that the SIMM is actually in (should be slot 0) which is the physical slot, and obviously you can't have two SIMMs in one slot, and then there are the other slots which can be emulated or not depending on whether you have other ROMs you want to use [you can just emulate all the slots, but then everyone would start selling their excess SIMMs and the market would lose its bottom].
> >
> > I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind getting ROMs for the
> > quarter of their current price...
> >
>

Re: FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-02 by duncan

happy new year, jack. love your work!

I see this as a great way to keep my roms safe at home (probably somewhere near my ultra) & fill my various proteus chassis (two p2k, virtuoso, PE, XL7) with these flash devices. so- 4 or 5, + the programmer, definitely.

I don't suppose it will work in the audity, will it? I think that would be asking too much... :-)  the a2k was my first emu rompler, about nine years ago, & in late 2002 I made enough of a fuss with someone at emu (lynne buck, I think her name was) that they sent me the expansion rom for it.... at least, they said they'd "found one" left over after the a2k was basically abandoned as a product in favour of the proteus.

there are significant differences in the way the data is stored.
what they sent me was the right sound set but actually on a 16MB flash simm. I've been too afraid of having an accident to try erasing this simm in an ultra- after all, although I can copy the noises of it onto the HD, there's no guarantee of getting them back onto it.

any thoughts?

d.

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-02 by James Ulibarri

Matt,

It's not what you think.   There is nothing complicated or sexy going on here.  It's just setting my SP1200(Master) at one BPM and then setting the Command Station(slave) at half the speed.  As I said, for some weird reason the PX-7 ignores what the master clock is and just ticks along and it's own internal speed but still clocked by the master.  But if I reverse the setup up, the PX-7 will take over the SP1200' clock to whatever I have dialed in on the PX-7.  Fail.  That's not what I want.  So i kinda stumbled on this.  I've tried the MV-8800, MPC-3000, and only the Schaltwerk (stiffest and grooveless sequencer ever made) and PX-7 do it.   I never tried it with the Octopus (biggest buyers remorse feeling ever).    There was a dedicated box out there for a while in the marketplace that did the same thing.  Where you could subdivide the tempo in half and in quarters to get the same effect.  I talked to the developer for a while and he was releasing it soon.  But I lost touch with the guy.  But like a lot of this obscure weird gear it was more of a science project and only a one-off was made.  And I think there is more than one way to skin a cat with this stuff.  I'm sure there are other ways to get clock dividers implemented in your setup.  Now to split up Sync 24 clock for my 303 would be cool.    Anything that clocks (effects, filters, etc) I am just all over that.  Without having to rely on software.. I mean.


On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
 

Hi
How do you subdivide the tempo? I love doing this but don't know how to do it with MIDI / px-7
Thanks
Matt

On Dec 31, 2010 10:57 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> Anyone use the command station with the yamaha A4000/5000?
> Someone said they did and hated it. But I also hated the S6000 and I
> don't think I can get stoked on any Ultra samplers. Same old filters
> and waveshapes on every new school Emu sampler/module. I've read
> that every parameter is CC'able on the Yamaha and what better machine
> to trigger it with than the CS. The other reason I don't nuke my PX-7
> for an RS7000 is because when I clock the command station from my
> sp1200 it clocks perfectly but somehow ignores the incoming master BPM
> and runs at it's own tempo but still keeps time. So I can subdivide
> the tempo to like 64 verses 128 bpm on the 1200 and get some
> interesting polyrhythms going on there, verses other boxes that just
> mirrors the incoming bpm exactly from the master.
>
>; Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
>> This is awesome.
>>
>>; On Dec 31, 2010 7:25 PM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>> > Oh hail the Prince of zeros and ones!
>> >
>> > DF
>> >
>> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may
>> contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is
>> solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized
>> interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may
>> violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications
>> Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact
>> the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 12/31/10, woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update
>> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:38 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just so you know its not forgotten...
>> >
>> > I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were
>> the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).
>> >
>> > I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more
>> sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To
>> understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:
>> >
>> > The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave
>> memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos
>> etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in
>> the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any
>> other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
>> > a ROM in that single slot 0 only
>> > two ROM in slots 0 & 1
>> > three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
>> > four ROMs in all slots
>> >
>> > Notes:
>> > if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in
>> any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
>> > the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other
>> than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to
>> not emulate other slots
>> > if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another
>> physical ROM in that slot.
>> >
>> > Examples:
>> > virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put
>> the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
>> > xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in
>> slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
>> > multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the
>> rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
>> >
>> > The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to
>> select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated
>> slots are hard coded to a predefined region - basically not enough
>> DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable
>> slot emulation.
>> >
>;> > If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH
>> SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4
>> on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the
>> physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you
>> have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you
>> to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of
>> course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are
>> written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of
>> slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and
>> are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of
>> the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be
>> useful in an ULTRA sampler.
>> >
>> > The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is
>> possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any
>> slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the
>> OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another
>> day.
>> >
>> > It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the
>> outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to
>> the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM
>> and would necessarily void your warranty :)
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------
>> >
>> > I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably
>> confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the
>> fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send
>> the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of
>> January.
>> >
>> > After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow
>> them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the
>> programmer board to read them).
>> >
>> > In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to
>> create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new
>> presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge
>> the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real
>> point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)
>> >
>> > Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses
>> full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete
>> region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better
>> off not having to change them too often even though you could write
>> to them 100,000's of times.
>> >
>> > Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able
>> to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change
>> the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the
>> module is reset.
>> >
>> > AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH
>> SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything
>> other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them
>> (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate
>> presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then
>> incorporate them into a region image.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > So there is some forward progress...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>;> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-03 by Scott Solmonson

On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:11 PM, James Ulibarri wrote:

> I've tried the MV-8800, MPC-3000, and only the Schaltwerk (stiffest and grooveless sequencer ever made) and PX-7 do it.

That reminds me- I've got a Regelwerk that I really should sell- and yes, grooveless it is!

> Now to split up Sync 24 clock for my 303 would be cool.    Anything that clocks (effects, filters, etc) I am just all over that.  Without having to rely on software.. I mean.

I've got a Dave Smith Evolver and Adrenalinn (neither for sale haha)- if you're looking for tempo-synched endless mod possibilities it doesn't get much better :)

Also- your Schaltwerk should be able to take incoming clock, subdivide it, and send it our the CVs to an unmodified 303 (my Regelwerk can)
--
NUNQUAM NON PARATUS
V: 408.718.6290
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi
> How do you subdivide the tempo? I love doing this but don't know how to do it with MIDI / px-7
> Thanks
> Matt
> 
> On Dec 31, 2010 10:57 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone use the command station with the yamaha A4000/5000?
> > Someone said they did and hated it. But I also hated the S6000 and I 
> > don't think I can get stoked on any Ultra samplers. Same old filters 
> > and waveshapes on every new school Emu sampler/module. I've read 
> > that every parameter is CC'able on the Yamaha and what better machine 
> > to trigger it with than the CS. The other reason I don't nuke my PX-7 
> > for an RS7000 is because when I clock the command station from my 
> > sp1200 it clocks perfectly but somehow ignores the incoming master BPM 
> > and runs at it's own tempo but still keeps time. So I can subdivide 
> > the tempo to like 64 verses 128 bpm on the 1200 and get some 
> > interesting polyrhythms going on there, verses other boxes that just 
> > mirrors the incoming bpm exactly from the master.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
> > 
> >> This is awesome.
> >>
> >> On Dec 31, 2010 7:25 PM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Oh hail the Prince of zeros and ones!
> >> >
> >> > DF
> >> >
> >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may 
> >> contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is 
> >> solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized 
> >> interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may 
> >> violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications 
> >> Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact 
> >> the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
> >> >
> >> > --- On Fri, 12/31/10, woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: woodsworth1 <woodsworth1@...>
> >> > Subject: [xl7] FLASH SIMM update
> >> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:38 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Just so you know its not forgotten...
> >> >
> >> > I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were 
> >> the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).
> >> >
> >> > I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more 
> >> sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To 
> >> understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:
> >> >
> >> > The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave 
> >> memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos 
> >> etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in 
> >> the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any 
> >> other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
> >> > a ROM in that single slot 0 only
> >> > two ROM in slots 0 & 1
> >> > three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
> >> > four ROMs in all slots
> >> >
> >> > Notes:
> >> > if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in 
> >> any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
> >> > the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other 
> >> than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to 
> >> not emulate other slots
> >> > if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another 
> >> physical ROM in that slot.
> >> >
> >> > Examples:
> >> > virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put 
> >> the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
> >> > xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in 
> >> slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
> >> > multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the 
> >> rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
> >> >
> >> > The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to 
> >> select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated 
> >> slots are hard coded to a predefined region - basically not enough 
> >> DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable 
> >> slot emulation.
> >> >
> >> > If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH 
> >> SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4 
> >> on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the 
> >> physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you 
> >> have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you 
> >> to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of 
> >> course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are 
> >> written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of 
> >> slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and 
> >> are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of 
> >> the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be 
> >> useful in an ULTRA sampler.
> >> >
> >> > The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is 
> >> possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any 
> >> slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the 
> >> OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another 
> >> day.
> >> >
> >> > It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the 
> >> outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to 
> >> the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM 
> >> and would necessarily void your warranty :)
> >> >
> >> > -----------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably 
> >> confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the 
> >> fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send 
> >> the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of 
> >> January.
> >> >
> >> > After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow 
> >> them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the 
> >> programmer board to read them).
> >> >
> >> > In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to 
> >> create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new 
> >> presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge 
> >> the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real 
> >> point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)
> >> >
> >> > Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses 
> >> full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete 
> >> region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better 
> >> off not having to change them too often even though you could write 
> >> to them 100,000's of times.
> >> >
> >> > Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able 
> >> to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change 
> >> the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the 
> >> module is reset.
> >> >
> >> > AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH 
> >> SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything 
> >> other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them 
> >> (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate 
> >> presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then 
> >> incorporate them into a region image.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > So there is some forward progress...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-03 by James Ulibarri




That reminds me- I've got a Regelwerk that I really should sell- and yes, grooveless it is!


what do you want for the regelwerk?  is it red and green (led's) or blue.

you can make it groove a little if you do two rows with the same midi channel, offset and shift the second row and do some velocity variances on certain steps.  it will sound like like shuffle.   



I've got a Dave Smith Evolver and Adrenalinn (neither for sale haha)- if you're looking for tempo-synched endless mod possibilities it doesn't get much better :)

i know.  those things are tits. 

Also- your Schaltwerk should be able to take incoming clock, subdivide it, and send it our the CVs to an unmodified 303 (my Regelwerk can)

not sure what you mean since the tb-303 only has cv/gate outputs.

I will let you guys know my experience with the A5000 this next weekend as I am waiting for this thing to arrive.  I am almost 100% confident that the engine sounds thicker and mimics analog, far more than the engine in the Command Station. Am I the only one that thinks for certain things that it's pretty anemic sounding?    Flash roms would be cool for convenience and portability. But over all tone to me is the most important.  I've read people saying that the A5000 is a sound designers wet dream with it's 6 effects blocks.  And to think that I am gonna have it piped through a dedicated Ensoniq DP4 with it's 4 parallel effects also.  I have a feeling it's gonna be the cat's ass.  I've read the endless encoders can go bad and the load times are slow.  I have a great tech to do the encoders and the unit has an internal hard drive already and I won't be using with a PC.  Just old school style.  No .wave dragging and dropping from a DAW.  I just want to keep it raw.



Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-03 by Atom Smasher

On Sun, 2 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> Flash roms would be cool for convenience and portability. But over all 
> tone to me is the most important.  I've read people saying that the 
> A5000 is a sound designers wet dream with it's 6 effects blocks.  And to 
> think that I am gonna have it piped through a dedicated Ensoniq DP4 with 
> it's 4 parallel effects also.  I have a feeling it's gonna be the cat's 
> ass.  I've read the endless encoders can go bad and the load times are 
> slow.  I have a great tech to do the encoders and the unit has an 
> internal hard drive already and I won't be using with a PC.  Just old 
> school style.  No .wave dragging and dropping from a DAW.  I just want 
> to keep it raw.
======================

you should be very happy with an a5k.

i was happy with an a4k, but now i'm leaning towards pre-production of 
samples in audacity/ubuntu-studio and i'm looking forward to loading those 
samples into a USB/flash-ROM (and then selling the a4k).

i've never been hung up on tone. the way i look at it, i'm doing original 
electronic music. if i were trying to emulate an orchestra, guitar, piano, 
etc then i'd be concerned about tone, but working primarily with distorted 
squelchy blips and bleeps and noises allows me to not care about tone. 
i'll leave that to whoever wants to emulate me ;) and i've got plenty of 
outboard effects boxes when needed.


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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-03 by James Ulibarri

not tone per say like guitar players get caught up in tone.   i mean thickness and warmth, and girth.  should i say timbres instead?  i'm biased, i know.


Emulator II samples (tones) from the OMI library burnt to an Emu Flash Rom would actually sound pretty cool with the Command Station.  I go back and forth wanting to try an Ultra sampler and blank rom.  I may upload a sample pack so someone can try it in there Ultra sampler and CS.  Depeche Mode wasn't actually all that magical if you hear half of this library.  Lots of stock, untreated tones here in their old trax.  Before Alan Wilder's departure I mean.

I'll try the A5000 first and report back.




 



On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
 

On Sun, 2 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:

> Flash roms would be cool for convenience and portability. But over all
>; tone to me is the most important. I've read people saying that the
> A5000 is a sound designers wet dream with it's 6 effects blocks. And to
> think that I am gonna have it piped through a dedicated Ensoniq DP4 with
> it's 4 parallel effects also. I have a feeling it's gonna be the cat's
> ass. I've read the endless encoders can go bad and the load times are
> slow. I have a great tech to do the encoders and the unit has an
> internal hard drive already and I won't be using with a PC. Just old
> school style. No .wave dragging and dropping from a DAW. I just want
> to keep it raw.
======================

you should be very happy with an a5k.

i was happy with an a4k, but now i'm leaning towards pre-production of
samples in audacity/ubuntu-studio and i'm looking forward to loading those
samples into a USB/flash-ROM (and then selling the a4k).

i've never been hung up on tone. the way i look at it, i'm doing original
electronic music. if i were trying to emulate an orchestra, guitar, piano,
etc then i'd be concerned about tone, but working primarily with distorted
squelchy blips and bleeps and noises allows me to not care about tone.
i'll leave that to whoever wants to emulate me ;) and i've got plenty of
outboard effects boxes when needed.

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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-04 by Greg W

ha ha

yamaha thicker than emu?

wrong!

A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines

had both for very long time


From: James Ulibarri
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 2 January, 2011 10:35:02 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

�




That reminds me- I've got a Regelwerk that I really should sell- and yes, grooveless it is!


what do you want for the regelwerk?� is it red and green (led's) or blue.

you can make it groove a little if you do two rows with the same midi channel, offset and shift the second row and do some velocity variances on certain steps.� it will sound like like shuffle. � 



I've got a Dave Smith Evolver and Adrenalinn (neither for sale haha)- if you're looking for tempo-synched endless mod possibilities it doesn't get much better :)

i know.� those things are tits.�

Also- your Schaltwerk should be able to take incoming clock, subdivide it, and send it our the CVs to an unmodified 303 (my Regelwerk can)

not sure what you mean since the tb-303 only has cv/gate outputs.

I will let you guys know my experience with the A5000 this next weekend as I am waiting for this thing to arrive.� I am almost 100% confident that the engine sounds thicker and mimics analog, far more than the engine in the Command Station. Am I the only one that thinks for certain things that it's pretty anemic sounding? �� Flash roms would be cool for convenience and portability. But over all tone to me is the most important.�; I've read people saying that the A5000 is a sound designers wet dream with it's 6 effects blocks.� And to think that I am gonna have it piped through a dedicated Ensoniq DP4 with it's 4 parallel effects also.� I have a feeling it's gonna be the cat's ass.� I've read the endless encoders can go bad and the load times are slow.� I have a great tech to do the encoders and the unit has an internal hard drive already and I won't be using with a PC.� Just old school style.� No .wave dragging and dropping from a DAW.� I just want to keep it raw.




�

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-04 by Atom Smasher

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Greg W wrote:

> yamaha thicker than emu?
> 
> wrong!
> 
> A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines
===================

cs/p2k has a much better synth engine, but AxK has much better effects.

which sounds better is then a matter of opinion, and largely determined by 
programming (this includes effects programming) style and musical tastes. 
there's no clear winner.

the winner, for me, will be an orbit-3 with USB-flash-ROM and some 
outboard effects.


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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-04 by Atom Smasher

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Greg W wrote:

> A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines
=============

also, the AxK samplers allow tweaking of filter resonance while a note is 
playing. for some people that _is_ important.


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Re: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-04 by Jack Pratt

I have an A2K and I hope that it will work. But I only have one ROM for it (the one that came with it) and I haven't checked that it can decode multiple slots [ie the two that are available].
�
I am planning for an AUDITY mode so a single ROM should work, but unless you have multiple Audity ROMs... The problem is that the audity uses presets on the ROM (no additional preset memory) so it weill work, but perhaps in a limited fashion.

�

From: duncan
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 6:53:28 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: FLASH SIMM update

�

happy new year, jack. love your work!

I see this as a great way to keep my roms safe at home (probably somewhere near my ultra) & fill my various proteus chassis (two p2k, virtuoso, PE, XL7) with these flash devices. so- 4 or 5, + the programmer, definitely.

I don't suppose it will work in the audity, will it? I think that would be asking too much... :-) the a2k was my first emu rompler, about nine years ago, & in late 2002 I made enough of a fuss with someone at emu (lynne buck, I think her name was) that they sent me the expansion rom for it.... at least, they said they'd "found one" left over after the a2k was basically abandoned as a product in favour of the proteus.

there are significant differences in the way the data is stored.
what they sent me was the right sound set but actually on a 16MB flash simm. I've been too afraid of having an accident to try erasing this simm in an ultra- after all, although I can copy the noises of it onto the HD, there's no guarantee of getting them back onto it.

any thoughts?

d.


Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-04 by James Ulibarri

Dude, I got the REAL E-mu Systems kit with analog SSM filters.. Don't even think about trying to school me on this stuff. � Yaaawn.
The Command Stations sound thin to my ears. � You are generalizing when I said yamaha verses Emu. �This is how fights start and how I end up getting booted. �I'm not gonna let you light me up over this. �My Emax 1 rack will eat your cheezy rave Orbit for a mid morning snack. � �Forget it. � Nevermind.  �

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:

�

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Greg W wrote:

> yamaha thicker than emu?
>
> wrong!
>
> A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines
===================

cs/p2k has a much better synth engine, but AxK has much better effects.

which sounds better is then a matter of opinion, and largely determined by
programming (this includes effects programming) style and musical tastes.
there's no clear winner.

the winner, for me, will be an orbit-3 with USB-flash-ROM and some
outboard effects.

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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-04 by James Ulibarri

sorry, Atom.  I thought it was you that made the comment.   It was Greg W, actually.
Sorry for bustin your chops about the Orbit.  I had one for a while too, and there were some good pads in there.  I would like another soon.  Do you use the Launch Pad with it?  I found some nice Seefeel noisy (good) textures in there.



On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:44 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>; wrote:
Dude, I got the REAL E-mu Systems kit with analog SSM filters.. Don't even think about trying to school me on this stuff.   Yaaawn.
The Command Stations sound thin to my ears.   You are generalizing when I said yamaha verses Emu.  This is how fights start and how I end up getting booted.  I'm not gonna let you light me up over this.  My Emax 1 rack will eat your cheezy rave Orbit for a mid morning snack.    Forget it.   Nevermind.   

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:

 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Greg W wrote:

> yamaha thicker than emu?
>
> wrong!
>
> A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines
===================

cs/p2k has a much better synth engine, but AxK has much better effects.

which sounds better is then a matter of opinion, and largely determined by
programming (this includes effects programming) style and musical tastes.
there's no clear winner.

the winner, for me, will be an orbit-3 with USB-flash-ROM and some
outboard effects.

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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-07 by James Ulibarri

I got the A5000 sampler today.  It's the most absolute biggest pain to use.  And whoever said it was thin... you were right, and I was flat wrong.   It is thin.  And this would a major pain to use everyday.  It's huge and heavy and a real pain, and I can't see having fun with this pain in the butt.   The SU700 was a little easier and actually taught me a couple things about sampling but Yamaha samplers aren't for me.  They say Yamaha effects are just so darn good.  I disagree.  They use the same effect engine in everything, just as they did way back with CS1X which was the most plastic sounding thing ever. 
I majorly did not like this machine and the navigation is just weird and wrong.

Now I'm thinking about an Ultra. 



On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Greg W wrote:

> A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines
=============

also, the AxK samplers allow tweaking of filter resonance while a note is
playing. for some people that _is_ important.


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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-07 by Matt

My music teacher at school has an ultra he is selling.

On Jan 7, 2011 1:13 AM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> I got the A5000 sampler today. It's the most absolute biggest pain to use.
> And whoever said it was thin... you were right, and I was flat wrong. It
> is thin. And this would a major pain to use everyday. It's huge and heavy
> and a real pain, and I can't see having fun with this pain in the butt.
> The SU700 was a little easier and actually taught me a couple things about
> sampling but Yamaha samplers aren't for me. They say Yamaha effects are
> just so darn good. I disagree. They use the same effect engine in
> everything, just as they did way back with CS1X which was the most plastic
> sounding thing ever.
> I majorly did not like this machine and the navigation is just weird and
> wrong.
>
> Now I'm thinking about an Ultra.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Greg W wrote:
>>
>> > A series are great but they dont beat the CS engines
>> =============
>>
>> also, the AxK samplers allow tweaking of filter resonance while a note is
>> playing. for some people that _is_ important.
>>
>>
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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-07 by Ian Lamb

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:13 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
 

I got the A5000 sampler today.  It's the most absolute biggest pain to use.  And whoever said it was thin... you were right, and I was flat wrong.   It is thin.  And this would a major pain to use everyday.  It's huge and heavy and a real pain, and I can't see having fun with this pain in the butt.   The SU700 was a little easier and actually taught me a couple things about sampling but Yamaha samplers aren';t for me.  They say Yamaha effects are just so darn good.  I disagree.  They use the same effect engine in everything, just as they did way back with CS1X which was the most plastic sounding thing ever. 
I majorly did not like this machine and the navigation is just weird and wrong.

Now I'm thinking about an Ultra.


I've got an A5K, and an Ultra too. The Yamaha UI is like most Yamaha UIs, which is to say, it could be improved. That said, I don't think it is bad. I can get around on it quite fast.

As it concerns the nature of the sound, it to some degree sounds like what you put in it (duh), but I think the filter character is quite forward and present in a way that is quite different from E-mu. I like them much better for electronic-sounding timbres.

I think the effects are quite excellent - they really respond when programmed. I value Yamaha's continual evolution of a set of algorithms.

That all said, I'm not disagreeing with your experience - it is what it is, and you're not wrong (for you). On the other hand, I do question anyone who decides something is not suitable (or is suitable) on the first day of use, especially with something as broad and deep as a Yamaha A5000.

The size of it is a PITA, and the disk routines just plain suck.

I do think there is a heck of a lot to recommend it, weak aspects considered too. I say the same as it concerns my E-mu Ultra6400 w/RFX + 2 ROMs.


cheers,
Ian

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-07 by James Ulibarri

I respect your opinion.  True I should give it more time.  But I am the kind that just knows if I am gonna like it or not, or I should say keep it, actually.
I go through gear faster than most people change their Underoos.  I used to be a lot worse when I had mad casheesh.  Those days are gone. 
And so are my choices of hardware samplers these days.   If it's not stupid easy than I usually just nuke it.  Not to say that I can't handle it, but it slows a person down.  And the A5000 is a real boat anchor.   They sure don't tell you that the sine wave LFO is only available on the Program LFO, not at the sample level.   Come on.  Why?   The navigation is twisted and wrong.  Korg and Yamaha have never been friends of mine.  I'll take Emu and legacy Roland stuff any day over those guys.   After this ASR-X, I think I'm done. (besides more effects and filters).  I think it will fit the bill for old school Berlin/Detroit inspired minimal with what I have.  

Anyone use the Command Station with the ASR-X?   I found a midi CC chart online for the ASR-X.   I'm already getting stoked.






On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...> wrote:
 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:13 AM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
 

I got the A5000 sampler today.  It's the most absolute biggest pain to use.  And whoever said it was thin... you were right, and I was flat wrong.   It is thin.  And this would a major pain to use everyday.  It's huge and heavy and a real pain, and I can't see having fun with this pain in the butt.   The SU700 was a little easier and actually taught me a couple things about sampling but Yamaha samplers aren't for me.  They say Yamaha effects are just so darn good.  I disagree.  They use the same effect engine in everything, just as they did way back with CS1X which was the most plastic sounding thing ever. 
I majorly did not like this machine and the navigation is just weird and wrong.

Now I'm thinking about an Ultra.


I've got an A5K, and an Ultra too. The Yamaha UI is like most Yamaha UIs, which is to say, it could be improved. That said, I don't think it is bad. I can get around on it quite fast.

As it concerns the nature of the sound, it to some degree sounds like what you put in it (duh), but I think the filter character is quite forward and present in a way that is quite different from E-mu. I like them much better for electronic-sounding timbres.

I think the effects are quite excellent - they really respond when programmed. I value Yamaha's continual evolution of a set of algorithms.

That all said, I'm not disagreeing with your experience - it is what it is, and you're not wrong (for you). On the other hand, I do question anyone who decides something is not suitable (or is suitable) on the first day of use, especially with something as broad and deep as a Yamaha A5000.

The size of it is a PITA, and the disk routines just plain suck.

I do think there is a heck of a lot to recommend it, weak aspects considered too. I say the same as it concerns my E-mu Ultra6400 w/RFX + 2 ROMs.


cheers,
Ian

Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-08 by Jack Pratt

I bought a new A4000 when they first came out. I also have an A5000 now.

The navigation is not twisted or wrong - just different. In fact its quite easy to find what you want (without already knowing or consulting the manual) but you do need to think a bit differently. It is still a logical interface just using a 'different' logic. The only real gripe about it is the unbelievebly slow loading (and yes it is heavy - too heavy for live stuff). The disk operations could be better. If you burned the A5000 on account of the load times rather than the interface I'd be with you all the way.

The effects are pretty good and like most instruments are really only as useful as you make them. I think that you'd be pleasantly surprised if bothered to take the time to work with it a while. As an alternative you might find an RS7000 more to your liking.

As for Korg, they have their own logic for navigation, and my triton extreme (with MOSS) can make some pretty healthy sounds of its own - very easy to edit and play around with. I would consider a triton rack if the price was right.

If you really want an odd interface I would point at the ASR10. Yes its old [and I don't use it much] but I still get lost trying to find things that I've used before. I'm not sure that you'll find the ASR-X all together user friendly. Again its just a different logic (but one that I find less easy to remember).

To be honest, if I put my S5000 (fully expanded) against my E4XT Ultra (fully expanded other than no ADAT card - there are only 3 option slots after all) I would be hard pressed to choose one above the other even though the EMU is easier to navigate than the AKAI. There are numerous points of comparison but none that really kill the other. Perhaps the quality of the output is more significant than the user interface, and they are both very useful for different things.

This is my testimonial: if I had to sell all of my equipment (and the list is long) the last thing I'd sell would be my ex5 - even with all its limitations.

However, each to their own. I know that instant gratification means a lot...



From: James Ulibarri
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:39:21 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

�

I respect your opinion.� True I should give it more time.� But I am the kind that just knows if I am gonna like it or not, or I should say keep it, actually.
I go through gear faster than most people change their Underoos.� I used to be a lot worse when I had mad casheesh.� Those days are gone.�
And so are my choices of hardware samplers these days.�� If it's not stupid easy than I usually just nuke it.� Not to say that I can't handle it, but it slows a person down.� And the A5000 is a real boat anchor.�� They sure don't tell you that the sine wave LFO is only available on the Program LFO, not at the sample level.�� Come on.� Why?�� The navigation is twisted and wrong.� Korg and Yamaha have never been friends of mine.� I'll take Emu and legacy Roland stuff any day over those guys.�� After this ASR-X, I think I'm done. (besides more effects and filters).� I think it will fit the bill for old school Berlin/Detroit inspired minimal with what I have.��



Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-08 by Scott Solmonson

You boys with your new Yamaha toys... I have an A3K and will agree, the interface makes sense, it's just very different to some of the more popular rack samplers of the time (E4K etc).
Soundwise it's definitely got its own character, and I would agree that it's somewhat "sterile" but as said, it's great for electronic stuff and it's very flexible, as a sampler. If I wanted an FX unit I would get an FX unit, I feel like the FS on it are just as a last ditch to clean up a really bad sample.

All that said, the sampler I use most is the Korg ES1, because it's just really fast to use and I'm not trying to accurately recreate a multisampled pipe organ etc-
 
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On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Jack Pratt wrote:

> 
> 
> I bought a new A4000 when they first came out. I also have an A5000 now.
> 
> The navigation is not twisted or wrong - just different. In fact its quite easy to find what you want (without already knowing or consulting the manual) but you do need to think a bit differently. It is still a logical interface just using a 'different' logic. The only real gripe about it is the unbelievebly slow loading (and yes it is heavy - too heavy for live stuff). The disk operations could be better. If you burned the A5000 on account of the load times rather than the interface I'd be with you all the way.
> 
> The effects are pretty good and like most instruments are really only as useful as you make them. I think that you'd be pleasantly surprised if bothered to take the time to work with it a while. As an alternative you might find an RS7000 more to your liking.
> 
> As for Korg, they have their own logic for navigation, and my triton extreme (with MOSS) can make some pretty healthy sounds of its own - very easy to edit and play around with. I would consider a triton rack if the price was right. <but I've always felt korg keyboards feel a bit heavy>
> 
> If you really want an odd interface I would point at the ASR10. Yes its old [and I don't use it much] but I still get lost trying to find things that I've used before. I'm not sure that you'll find the ASR-X all together user friendly. Again its just a different logic (but one that I find less easy to remember).
> 
> To be honest, if I put my S5000 (fully expanded) against my E4XT Ultra (fully expanded other than no ADAT card - there are only 3 option slots after all) I would be hard pressed to choose one above the other even though the EMU is easier to navigate than the AKAI. There are numerous points of comparison but none that really kill the other. Perhaps the quality of the output is more significant than the user interface, and they are both very useful for different things. 
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> This is my testimonial: if I had to sell all of my equipment (and the list is long) the last thing I'd sell would be my ex5 - even with all its limitations. 
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> However, each to their own. I know that instant gratification means a lot...
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> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:39:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000
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> I respect your opinion.  True I should give it more time.  But I am the kind that just knows if I am gonna like it or not, or I should say keep it, actually. 
> I go through gear faster than most people change their Underoos.  I used to be a lot worse when I had mad casheesh.  Those days are gone.  
> And so are my choices of hardware samplers these days.   If it's not stupid easy than I usually just nuke it.  Not to say that I can't handle it, but it slows a person down.  And the A5000 is a real boat anchor.   They sure don't tell you that the sine wave LFO is only available on the Program LFO, not at the sample level.   Come on.  Why?   The navigation is twisted and wrong.  Korg and Yamaha have never been friends of mine.  I'll take Emu and legacy Roland stuff any day over those guys.   After this ASR-X, I think I'm done. (besides more effects and filters).  I think it will fit the bill for old school Berlin/Detroit inspired minimal with what I have.   
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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-08 by James Ulibarri

Thanks for the feedback on the unit.  I think.  But it's just not for me. Who ever said a sampler is a sampler is a sampler obviously had wax in their ears, and apparently never made an emotional connection or felt connected to a machine for their craft. What you put in doesn't always mean it's what comes out the other side.  Which is good.  As I said I felt zero connection with this one.   I'm over it.

Regarding the ASR-X...  people have said the DP/4 and DP/4+ was deep and convoluted. As well with the ESQ-1.  I flew through those in two seconds.   The Mirage is another story though!





On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Scott Solmonson <scosol@...> wrote:
 

You boys with your new Yamaha toys... I have an A3K and will agree, the interface makes sense, it's just very different to some of the more popular rack samplers of the time (E4K etc).
Soundwise it's definitely got its own character, and I would agree that it's somewhat "sterile" but as said, it's great for electronic stuff and it's very flexible, as a sampler. If I wanted an FX unit I would get an FX unit, I feel like the FS on it are just as a last ditch to clean up a really bad sample.

All that said, the sampler I use most is the Korg ES1, because it's just really fast to use and I'm not trying to accurately recreate a multisampled pipe organ etc-



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On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Jack Pratt wrote:

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> If you really want an odd interface I would point at the ASR10. Yes its old [and I don't use it much] but I still get lost trying to find things that I've used before. I'm not sure that you'll find the ASR-X all together user friendly. Again its just a different logic (but one that I find less easy to remember).
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> To be honest, if I put my S5000 (fully expanded) against my E4XT Ultra (fully expanded other than no ADAT card - there are only 3 option slots after all) I would be hard pressed to choose one above the other even though the EMU is easier to navigate than the AKAI. There are numerous points of comparison but none that really kill the other. Perhaps the quality of the output is more significant than the user interface, and they are both very useful for different things.
>
> This is my testimonial: if I had to sell all of my equipment (and the list is long) the last thing I'd sell would be my ex5 - even with all its limitations.
>
> However, each to their own. I know that instant gratification means a lot...
>
>
>
> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:39:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000
>
> I respect your opinion. True I should give it more time. But I am the kind that just knows if I am gonna like it or not, or I should say keep it, actually.
> I go through gear faster than most people change their Underoos. I used to be a lot worse when I had mad casheesh. Those days are gone.
> And so are my choices of hardware samplers these days. If it's not stupid easy than I usually just nuke it. Not to say that I can't handle it, but it slows a person down. And the A5000 is a real boat anchor. They sure don't tell you that the sine wave LFO is only available on the Program LFO, not at the sample level. Come on. Why? The navigation is twisted and wrong. Korg and Yamaha have never been friends of mine. I'll take Emu and legacy Roland stuff any day over those guys. After this ASR-X, I think I'm done. (besides more effects and filters). I think it will fit the bill for old school Berlin/Detroit inspired minimal with what I have.
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Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-09 by James Ulibarri

"All that said, the sampler I use most is the Korg ES1, because it';s just really fast to use and I'm not trying to accurately recreate a multisampled pipe organ etc-"

I heard the ES-1 is 12bit.  Is that true?  If so that's way cool.

I love this pic of an SP12

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/869473358_faed99c099.jpg


Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-10 by duncan

>>I heard the ES-1 is 12bit.  Is that true?  If so that's way cool.<<

it has a "decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.

Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-10 by James Ulibarri

i don't know man, i really think it's 12bit with 16bit effects.  i had one a million years ago when they first came out..

i really want an Ensoniq EPS-M if anyone is selling one on the list... contact me.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:53 AM, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
 

>>I heard the ES-1 is 12bit. Is that true? If so that's way cool.<<

it has a ";decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.


Re: [xl7] PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-10 by Matt

what does this mean as far as sound?  I am thinking of getting an electribe and don't know which one to get.  I have the option of the new red one, the new blue one, or the gold es-1mkii
i already have the ea-1 but am selling it to upgrade

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:55 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
 

"All that said, the sampler I use most is the Korg ES1, because it's just really fast to use and I'm not trying to accurately recreate a multisampled pipe organ etc-"

I heard the ES-1 is 12bit.  Is that true?  If so that's way cool.

I love this pic of an SP12

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/869473358_faed99c099.jpg



Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-10 by D F Tweedie

James ... ever consider downloading the manual?

ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.

sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.

DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 2:08 AM

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i don't know man, i really think it's 12bit with 16bit effects. i had one a million years ago when they first came out..

i really want an Ensoniq EPS-M if anyone is selling one on the list... contact me.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:53 AM, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:

>>I heard the ES-1 is 12bit. Is that true? If so that's way cool.<<

it has a "decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.



Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-10 by Matt

How does that compare with the esx

On Jan 10, 2011 9:14 AM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
> James ... ever consider downloading the manual?
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> ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.
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> sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.
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> DF
>
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>
> --- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
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> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
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Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-10 by James Ulibarri

"James ... ever consider downloading the manual? " - D F Tweedie

Yes, I care.  It was just light conversation from the hip really.  And did I say you could talk in my thread?!?

Anways, Matt.  The ESX-1 is the red one with tubes right?  I think you would have more fun with something older and cheaper (sometimes).  But maybe the Korg's would work for you since you gig, and need to travel light.  The Emax 1 is a total tank.  So that wouldn't work. The Prophet 2002 rack sampler would be a blast with the Command Station, but also a tank.








On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
 

James ... ever consider downloading the manual?

ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.

sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.


DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 2:08 AM


 

i don't know man, i really think it's 12bit with 16bit effects. i had one a million years ago when they first came out..

i really want an Ensoniq EPS-M if anyone is selling one on the list... contact me.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:53 AM, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:

>>;I heard the ES-1 is 12bit. Is that true? If so that's way cool.<<

it has a "decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.




Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-11 by D F Tweedie

James ... no one here ... including me ,,,�needs any pemission to talk in any thread.
�
So pleased consider learnng how to modulate your snide and arrogant comments.
�
�
DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri wrote:

From: James Ulibarri
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:17 AM

�
"James ... ever consider downloading the manual? " - D F Tweedie

Yes, I care.� It was just light conversation from the hip really.� And did I say you could talk in my thread?!?

Anways, Matt.� The ESX-1 is the red one with tubes right?� I think you would have more fun with something older and cheaper (sometimes).� But maybe the Korg's would work for you since you gig, and need to travel light.� The Emax 1 is a total tank.� So that wouldn't work. The Prophet 2002 rack sampler would be a blast with the Command Station, but also a tank.








On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
�
James ... ever consider downloading the manual?

ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.

sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.


DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 2:08 AM


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i don't know man, i really think it's 12bit with 16bit effects. i had one a million years ago when they first came out..

i really want an Ensoniq EPS-M if anyone is selling one on the list... contact me.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:53 AM, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
>>I heard the ES-1 is 12bit. Is that true? If so that's way cool.<<

it has a "decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.





Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-11 by James Ulibarri

Modulate? �You mean moderate right?
The only wishful modulation going on is me finding a lofi sounding low bit sampler with bandpass filters with a sinewave waveshape that clocks to MTC with subdividers for the clock. �

Tweetie, you need a hug? �

I'm thinking the sampler I want is a dream. �It's not like I have a huge laundry list of wants here. � � � ��
��

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2011, at 5:46 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:

�

James ... no one here ... including me ,,,�needs any pemission to talk in any thread.
�
So pleased consider learnng how to modulate your snide and arrogant comments.
�
�
DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:17 AM

�
"James ... ever consider downloading the manual? " - D F Tweedie

Yes, I care.� It was just light conversation from the hip really.� And did I say you could talk in my thread?!?

Anways, Matt.� The ESX-1 is the red one with tubes right?� I think you would have more fun with something older and cheaper (sometimes).� But maybe the Korg's would work for you since you gig, and need to travel light.� The Emax 1 is a total tank.� So that wouldn't work. The Prophet 2002 rack sampler would be a blast with the Command Station, but also a tank.








On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
�
James ... ever consider downloading the manual?

ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.

sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.


DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 2:08 AM


�
i don't know man, i really think it's 12bit with 16bit effects. i had one a million years ago when they first came out..

i really want an Ensoniq EPS-M if anyone is selling one on the list... contact me.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:53 AM, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
>>I heard the ES-1 is 12bit. Is that true? If so that's way cool.<<

it has a "decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.





Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-11 by D F Tweedie

Yes, hugs are good.
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No, I meant modulate. No need for any moderator intervention ... and you are modulating.
�
Sounding good with  a little less CC 1 on the track.
�
Good luck in your search.
�
And seriously ... you'll find some real vintage gear�experts on those sites ... not to say there aren't Emu ones here. Gearslutz.com is great, too.
�
Peace.
�
DF
�


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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri ; wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 6:22 PM

�
Modulate? �You mean moderate right?
The only wishful modulation going on is me finding a lofi sounding low bit sampler with bandpass filters with a sinewave waveshape that clocks to MTC with subdividers for the clock. �

Tweetie, you need a hug? �

I'm thinking the sampler I want is a dream. �It's not like I have a huge laundry list of wants here. � � �  �
��

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2011, at 5:46 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:

�
James ... no one here ... including me ,,,�needs any pemission to talk in any thread.
�
So pleased consider learnng how to modulate your snide and arrogant comments.
�
�
DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <;jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:17 AM

�
"James ... ever consider downloading the manual? " - D F Tweedie

Yes, I care.� It was just light conversation from the hip really.� And did I say you could talk in my thread?!?

Anways, Matt.� The ESX-1 is the red one with tubes right?� I think you would have more fun with something older and cheaper (sometimes).� But maybe the Korg's would work for you since you gig, and need to travel light.� The Emax 1 is a total tank.  So that wouldn't work. The Prophet 2002 rack sampler would be a blast with the Command Station, but also a tank.








On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
 
James ... ever consider downloading the manual?

ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.

sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.


DF

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--- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 2:08 AM


�
i don't know man, i really think it's 12bit with 16bit effects. i had one a million years ago when they first came out..

i really want an Ensoniq EPS-M if anyone is selling one on the list... contact me.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:53 AM, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
>>I heard the ES-1 is 12bit. Is that true? If so that's way cool.<<

it has a "decimate" effect in amongst its built-in effects, but afaik, it's a 16-bit architecture. I load regular wavs onto a memory card from my computer & copy them into the ES-1...

but it is a very cool machine. korg have this knack, don't they? :-)

d.






Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-12 by Scott Solmonson

It's about the same IIRC-

If someone said to me that I could only use one box and had to choose it, it would be an ESX. The combination of live interactivity, ease of access, filter/fx capabilities, sequencing, and oh-by-the-way-it's-a-sampler, is IMO unmatched.

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On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Matt wrote:

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> On Jan 10, 2011 9:14 AM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > James ... ever consider downloading the manual? 
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> > ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.
> > 
> > sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.
> > 
> > DF
> > 
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> > 
> > From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com>
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Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-12 by Matt

Hmm. Why do you feel is esx better than emx? In your opinion?

On Jan 11, 2011 5:42 PM, "Scott Solmonson" <scosol@...> wrote:
> It's about the same IIRC-
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> If someone said to me that I could only use one box and had to choose it, it would be an ESX. The combination of live interactivity, ease of access, filter/fx capabilities, sequencing, and oh-by-the-way-it's-a-sampler, is IMO unmatched.
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> On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Matt wrote:
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>> On Jan 10, 2011 9:14 AM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>> > James ... ever consider downloading the manual?
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>> > sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.
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>> > DF
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>> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
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>> > --- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
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>> > From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>> > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
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Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000

2011-01-12 by Scott Solmonson

One is a sampler, with endless creative possibility- you can sneeze in to the mic and resample through the FX a few times and get a snare drum that is unique to you and you only.
The MX is oppositely limited;
The synth engines are the same, why not go with the one where you can record your own waveforms?

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matt wrote:

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> Hmm. Why do you feel is esx better than emx? In your opinion?
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> On Jan 11, 2011 5:42 PM, "Scott Solmonson" <scosol@...g> wrote:
> > It's about the same IIRC-
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> > If someone said to me that I could only use one box and had to choose it, it would be an ESX. The combination of live interactivity, ease of access, filter/fx capabilities, sequencing, and oh-by-the-way-it's-a-sampler, is IMO unmatched.
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> > NUNQUAM NON PARATUS
> > V: 408.718.6290
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> > On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Matt wrote:
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> >> On Jan 10, 2011 9:14 AM, "D F Tweedie" <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
> >> > James ... ever consider downloading the manual? 
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> >> > ES1 natively can only load either 8 bit or 16 bit samples.
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> >> > sonicstate.com and synthtopia.com are also excellent resources for info on vintage gear.
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> >> > DF
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> >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
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> >> > --- On Mon, 1/10/11, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
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> >> > From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
> >> > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: PX-7 with A5000
> >> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
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Re: FLASH SIMM update

2011-01-23 by rweidne

hope no one minds if i dust this off again. just wondering what ever happened to this, as i would like to get more sounds on my stock px-7
thnks...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "woodsworth1" <woodsworth1@...> wrote:
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> Just so you know its not forgotten...
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> I managed to get hold of some SAM7SE microcontrollers (they were the thing that I thought I already had, but discovered that I didn't).
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> I altered the CPLD programming so that the dip switches make more sense. There are four switches which allows for 16 combinations. To understand them, I'll just clarify the operation a little:
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> The FLASH SIMM has 7 addressable 32+4MB regions [32MB for wave memory, 4MB for preset memory which holds the presets, beats, demos etc]. The SIMM is physically in one slot, and can emulate a ROM in the other slots. If you place the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 [NOT any other slot!!!] then it can operate as:
>  a ROM in that single slot 0 only
>  two ROM in slots 0 & 1
>  three ROMs in slots 0 & 2 & 3
>  four ROMs in all slots
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> Notes:
>  if the SIMM is acting as a single SLOT ROM then you can put it in any physical slot (or in an ULTRA sampler)
>  the corollary is, that if you place the SIMM In any slot other than slot one, it won't behave properly unless you have it set to not emulate other slots
>  if the SIMM is emulating a slot then you can't have another physical ROM in that slot.
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> Examples:
>   virtuoso 2000 -> put the orch1 & orch2 ROMs in slots 2 & 3 and put the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 and allow it to emulate slot 1 as well
>   xl7 -> put the extreme lead ROM in slot 1 and the FLASH SIMM in slot 0 with emulation of slots 2 & 3.
>   multiple FLASH SIMMs -> arrange them as you wantfollowing the rules, but only the one in slot0 should emulte other slots...
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> The CPLD programming allows you to make use of the DIP swithces to select which region is used for the physical slot, but the emulated slots are hard coded to a predefined region -  basically not enough DIP switches ;-). The DIP switches also effectively enable/disable slot emulation.
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> If enabled, slot 1 emulation will always be region 2 on the FLASH SIMM. If enabled, slots 2 & 3 emulation will always be regions 3 & 4 on the FLASH SIMM respectively. However, the region used for the physical slot can be selected from those not being used (so if you have slots 1, 2 & 3 being emulated, the DIP switches will allow you to use regions 1, 5, 6 or 7 in slot 0 [only one at a time of course!]). In that way you can make the most of the images that are written into the FLASH regions. MORE IMPORTANTLY if emultion of slots is disabled (perhaps if you have more than one FLASH SIMM and are using the second one [not in slot 0]) then you can assign any of the regions to be used for the physical slot - this would also be useful in an ULTRA sampler.
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> The DIP switches only set the region being used at start up. It is possible to write to the CPLD to select any of the regions for any slot - emulated or physical, but that requires modification of the OS to allow the user to change that "on the fly". A task for another day.
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> It is also possible to expose the dip switch settings to the outside world using wires (so you can change them without access to the SIMM itself) but that would require soldering wires to the SIMM and would necessarily void your warranty :)
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> I have been over the schematic and layout so I can be reasonably confident that the number of 'non-conformances' is limited. Once the fabrication plants are back up after the holdiay break I can send the PCBs off for manufacture. Should have them back near the end of January.
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> After that I need to write some software (for the SIMM to allow them to be programmed, for the PC to program them, and for the programmer board to read them).
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> In the longer term I need to write software to allow anyone to create their own regions from whatever they want [new waves, new presets, new demos, new arps and beats] (also I would like to merge the protozoa and holy grail ROMs into one, since there's no real point in having 16MB ROMs anymore...)
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> Just for your information - the micro with the USB interface uses full speed communication (about 1MBps) so transferring a complete region [ONE ROM IMAGE] may take about 40 seconds so you're better off not having to change them too often even though you could write to them 100,000's of times.
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> Also, the SIMM is disabled during transfers (so you won't be able to generate sounds from it during the download. Also if you change the contents, the existing OS won't know about it until after the module is reset.
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> AND it is not-likely that the existing OS will write to the FLASH SIMM (preset memory only) and if it did it would destroy everything other than the preset information. so to put your own stuff on them (without a modification to the OS) you would need to generate presets on the module, transfer them [eg sysex] to your PC and then incorporate them into a region image.
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> So there is some forward progress...
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