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Great question, James!

I don't know the answer, but I don't know why you couldn't ... as long as the song/ midi file was no larger/ longer than the available memory slot in the CS.

As is probably clear to you, I use my hardware as sound modules for recording in a studio setting ... not for live performance.

That said, software midi control is sickenly powerful in a DAW like Cubase. Every single CC parameter accessible, automatible, editable, etc., etc. Same and more for midi note editing with endless midi plugin filters. Or make your own groove templates from audio or midi data.

I can't speak for other DAWs, but Cubase has an amaizing feature where you can real time use midi plug-ins like arps, echos, velocity or quantizing randomizers, etc., and then with one keystroke, print them into the mid file permanently.

If you can import your song ... within memory parameters ... except perhaps for using the CS as a midi controller for recording drumming of beats, hitz or stabs, etc., for human feel, I cannot imagine why someone wouldn't want to use software for their basic song composition.

DF

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--- On Thu, 12/16/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: [xl7] sequencer / software question
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:57 AM

I know I can import midi files through E-loader and I know it works as I have successfully been able to get it to work in the past but only for one Pattern.
I just picked up another PX-7 and I hope I can achieve what I am trying to do here this time.

What I want to know is... was there ever a soft version of the sequencer available for the Command Stations? Can a user mirror their programming on screen with
files imported and dumped to the Command Station or vice versa? My main concern at this point is to honestly and full heartedly use the CC to build whole entire songs, not just a pattern.
With other Emu sequencers such as the SP1200 you get Segments or basically patterns. You make a Segment and then simply tie them together to build an entire song.
Obviously this has to be the same strategy with the CC's right? All hardware sequencers have to be based upon this principal or you wouldn't get anywhere. It just didn't reach
out and grab me on the Command Station. And spending the money (again), I am forcing myself to make sure this machine will do that. But the more I think about it I am thinking
that a linear software sequencer may be the solution. But I am not a software sequencer type of guy at all. Totally hardware. But when you pin my back against the wall and I hear
half of these trax that I listen to I swear that it can't be done on a hardware sequencer, or not very easily. I guess in the hands the CC's will do anything that a software sequencer
can do if you know what you're doing right. Does anyone out there work with a linear software sequencer and simply dump that midi data down to the Emu? I think that would be kinda cool.

Thoughts? Just something about building entire songs on this thing is stopping me. I think it's operator error. It's got to be.

My issue with all the soft sequencers I experienced was always glitchiness. Failure to turn MIDI notes off on external modules was always an issue with ableton in my experience. Admittedly haven't tried cubase or logic.
If use the triggers on the cs to change from pattern to pattern you can build a few patterns and chain them together that way. I believe there is a way to sequence patterns in song mode, but I am not sure how. Something I've been interested in though.
Anyone have input on how song mode works?

On Dec 16, 2010 12:29 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, I see. So you';re using the CS for midi input to Cubase? Like a
> performance instrument in the studio to eliminate boring mouse clicking and
> for note input which sometimes can be unmusical. Is this correct? But
> ultimately you're not dumping any information back down to the CS?
>
> I think you're right about the power of a soft sequencer. Especially in
> microscopic modes to drill down on certain sections and zoom back out and
> move on... quickly and sometimes effortlessly once you know your way
> around.
>
> Besides Ableton, I know nothing about soft sequencers. Zero!!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:14 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Great question, James!
>>
>> I don't know the answer, but I don't know why you couldn't ... as long as
>> the song/ midi file was no larger/ longer than the available memory slot in
>> the CS.
>>
>> As is probably clear to you, I use my hardware as sound modules for
>> recording in a studio setting ... not for live performance.
>>
>> That said, software midi control is sickenly powerful in a DAW like Cubase.
>> Every single CC parameter accessible, automatible, editable, etc., etc. Same
>> and more for midi note editing with endless midi plugin filters. Or make
>> your own groove templates from audio or midi data.
>>
>> I can't speak for other DAWs, but Cubase has an amaizing feature where you
>> can real time use midi plug-ins like arps, echos, velocity or quantizing
>> randomizers, etc., and then with one keystroke, print them into the mid file
>> permanently.
>>
>> If you can import your song ... within memory parameters ... except perhaps
>> for using the CS as a midi controller for recording drumming of beats, hitz
>> or stabs, etc., for human feel, I cannot imagine why someone wouldn't want
>> to use software for their basic song composition.
>>
>> DF
>>
>>
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>> --- On *Thu, 12/16/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>> Subject: [xl7] sequencer / software question
>> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:57 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> I know I can import midi files through E-loader and I know it works as I
>> have successfully been able to get it to work in the past but only for one
>> Pattern.
>> I just picked up another PX-7 and I hope I can achieve what I am trying to
>> do here this time.
>>
>> What I want to know is... was there ever a soft version of the sequencer
>> available for the Command Stations? Can a user mirror their programming on
>> screen with
>> files imported and dumped to the Command Station or vice versa? My main
>> concern at this point is to honestly and full heartedly use the CC to build
>> whole entire songs, not just a pattern.
>> With other Emu sequencers such as the SP1200 you get Segments or basically
>> patterns. You make a Segment and then simply tie them together to build an
>> entire song.
>> Obviously this has to be the same strategy with the CC's right? All
>> hardware sequencers have to be based upon this principal or you wouldn't get
>> anywhere. It just didn't reach
>> out and grab me on the Command Station. And spending the money (again), I
>> am forcing myself to make sure this machine will do that. But the more I
>> think about it I am thinking
>> that a linear software sequencer may be the solution. But I am not a
>> software sequencer type of guy at all. Totally hardware. But when you pin
>> my back against the wall and I hear
>> half of these trax that I listen to I swear that it can't be done on a
>> hardware sequencer, or not very easily. I guess in the hands the CC's
>> will do anything that a software sequencer
>> can do if you know what you're doing right. Does anyone out there work
>> with a linear software sequencer and simply dump that midi data down to the
>> Emu? I think that would be kinda cool.
>>
>> Thoughts? Just something about building entire songs on this thing is
>> stopping me. I think it's operator error. It's got to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

The groove pool applied to the notes permanently changes the position of the notes in the file ... well, not 'permanently,' since you can always edit them again ... but you know what I mean.

So that groove now is incorporated into the file at the note level and the timing will be exactly the same played by any accurate module. And the CS is accurate!

DF

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--- On Thu, 12/16/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>

Subject: Re: [xl7] sequencer / software question
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 12:51 PM

Also, say a person becomes friends with Logic and/or Ableton and a person utilizes the Groove Pool or a groove templates from those sequencers.
When you dump it down to the CS, will it capture the shuffley feel still? or will it be sterilized and stiff once it gets exported down to the Emu?

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

My issue with all the soft sequencers I experienced was always glitchiness. Failure to turn MIDI notes off on external modules was always an issue with ableton in my experience. Admittedly haven't tried cubase or logic.
If use the triggers on the cs to change from pattern to pattern you can build a few patterns and chain them together that way. I believe there is a way to sequence patterns in song mode, but I am not sure how. Something I've been interested in though.
Anyone have input on how song mode works?

On Dec 16, 2010 12:29 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, I see. So you're using the CS for midi input to Cubase? Like a
> performance instrument in the studio to eliminate boring mouse clicking and
> for note input which sometimes can be unmusical. Is this correct? But
> ultimately you're not dumping any information back down to the CS?
>
> I think you9;re right about the power of a soft sequencer. Especially in
> microscopic modes to drill down on certain sections and zoom back out and
>; move on... quickly and sometimes effortlessly once you know your way
> around.
>
> Besides Ableton, I know nothing about soft sequencers. Zero!!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:14 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Great question, James!
>>
>> I don9;t know the answer, but I don't know why you couldn't ... as long as
>> the song/ midi file was no larger/ longer than the available memory slot in
>> the CS.
>>
>> As is probably clear to you, I use my hardware as sound modules for
>> recording in a studio setting ... not for live performance.
>>
>> That said, software midi control is sickenly powerful in a DAW like Cubase.
>> Every single CC parameter accessible, automatible, editable, etc., etc. Same
>> and more for midi note editing with endless midi plugin filters. Or make
>> your own groove templates from audio or midi data.
>>
>> I can't speak for other DAWs, but Cubase has an amaizing feature where you
>> can real time use midi plug-ins like arps, echos, velocity or quantizing
>> randomizers, etc., and then with one keystroke, print them into the mid file
>> permanently.
>>
>> If you can import your song ... within memory parameters ... except perhaps
>> for using the CS as a midi controller for recording drumming of beats, hitz
>> or stabs, etc., for human feel, I cannot imagine why someone wouldn't want
>> to use software for their basic song composition.
>>
>> DF
>>
>>
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain
>> confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use
>> of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or
>> disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the
>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the
>> communication.
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 12/16/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>> Subject: [xl7] sequencer / software question
>> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:57 AM
>;>
>>
>>
>> I know I can import midi files through E-loader and I know it works as I
>> have successfully been able to get it to work in the past but only for one
>> Pattern.
>> I just picked up another PX-7 and I hope I can achieve what I am trying to
>> do here this time.
>>
>> What I want to know is... was there ever a soft version of the sequencer
>>; available for the Command Stations? Can a user mirror their programming on
>> screen with
>> files imported and dumped to the Command Station or vice versa? My main
>> concern at this point is to honestly and full heartedly use the CC to build
>> whole entire songs, not just a pattern.
>> With other Emu sequencers such as the SP1200 you get Segments or basically
>> patterns. You make a Segment and then simply tie them together to build an
>> entire song.
>> Obviously this has to be the same strategy with the CC's right? All
>> hardware sequencers have to be based upon this principal or you wouldn't get
>> anywhere. It just didn't reach
>> out and grab me on the Command Station. And spending the money (again), I
>> am forcing myself to make sure this machine will do that. But the more I
>> think about it I am thinking
>>; that a linear software sequencer may be the solution. But I am not a
>> software sequencer type of guy at all. Totally hardware. But when you pin
>> my back against the wall and I hear
>> half of these trax that I listen to I swear that it can't be done on a
>> hardware sequencer, or not very easily. I guess in the hands the CC9;s
>> will do anything that a software sequencer
>> can do if you know what you're doing right. Does anyone out there work
>> with a linear software sequencer and simply dump that midi data down to the
>> Emu? I think that would be kinda cool.
>>
>> Thoughts? Just something about building entire songs on this thing is
>> stopping me. I think it's operator error. It's got to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>