Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

hi all,
my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..

thnx -ed

hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the knob movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng back...thats impossible to work like taht..
+ what changes in grid + step mode?
"proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the record session..

thnx 
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> You have to record in step time first, or the grid.  Then go back in
> real-time and tweak your knobs.  First of all, is your synth or sampler even
> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?   Did you set
> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under Global?  And do
> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to tweak on your
> external unit?  These are necessary to record any kind of knob tweaks.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@...
> > wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to
> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS
> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for
> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do,
> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i
> > do...stupid..
> >
> > thnx -ed
> >
> >  
> >
>

What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to "transmit", IIRC.

Bruno

2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@...>:
> hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the knob movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> + what changes in grid + step mode?
> "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the record session..
>
> thnx
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>>
>> You have to record in step time first, or the grid.  Then go back in
>> real-time and tweak your knobs.  First of all, is your synth or sampler even
>> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?   Did you set
>> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under Global?  And do
>> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to tweak on your
>> external unit?  These are necessary to record any kind of knob tweaks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@...
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > hi all,
>> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to
>> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS
>> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for
>> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do,
>> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i
>> > do...stupid..
>> >
>> > thnx -ed
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

its on transmit, otherwise i couldn hear the movements..
its just when reording into the mp7 sequencer i cant hear them. you have 2 options: ext (both) or sequ. the first let you hear the ccs (the results of movements of the knobs) on the external synth, the 2nd let aou record into the sequencer BUT not audible when recording...
is it meant like that??

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
>
> What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to "transmit", IIRC.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@...>:
> > hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the knob movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> > + what changes in grid + step mode?
> > "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> > as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the record session..
> >
> > thnx
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> >>
> >> You have to record in step time first, or the grid.  Then go back in
> >> real-time and tweak your knobs.  First of all, is your synth or sampler even
> >> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?   Did you set
> >> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under Global?  And do
> >> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to tweak on your
> >> external unit?  These are necessary to record any kind of knob tweaks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > hi all,
> >> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to
> >> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS
> >> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for
> >> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do,
> >> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i
> >> > do...stupid..
> >> >
> >> > thnx -ed
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

�

What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to "transmit", IIRC.

Bruno

2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@...>:
> hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the knob movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> + what changes in grid + step mode?
> "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the record session..
>
> thnx
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>>
>> You have to record in step time first, or the grid. �Then go back in
>> real-time and tweak your knobs.  First of all, is your synth or sampler even
>> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place? � Did you set
>>; up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under Global? �;And do
>> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to tweak on your
>> external unit? �These are necessary to record any kind of knob tweaks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart >> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > hi all,
>> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to
>> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS
>> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for
>> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do,
>> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i
>> > do...stupid..
>> >
>> > thnx -ed
>> >
>> >
>;> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

i did this.. can you confim that it SHOULD work: recording knob movements from the mp to an ext device INTO the mp sequencer WHILE hearing what they are doing (what i am recording in this moment??
maybe the "sequ" option is ment for recording the internal synths only?
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> I would Reset that thing if there aren't patterns you want/need.
> Hold down both curser buttons and turn on the unit.
> Then scroll to option 18 I think, and the Reboot.
> Something sounds funky with your unit and sometimes this helps.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
> 
> > What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to "transmit",  
> > IIRC.
> >
> > Bruno
> >
> > 2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@...>:
> > > hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the knob  
> > movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so  
> > speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the  
> > knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng  
> > back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> > > + what changes in grid + step mode?
> > > "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> > > as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the  
> > record session..
> > >
> > > thnx
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@>  
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You have to record in step time first, or the grid.  Then go back  
> > in
> > >> real-time and tweak your knobs.  First of all, is your synth or  
> > sampler even
> > >> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?    
> > Did you set
> > >> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under  
> > Global?  And do
> > >> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to tweak  
> > on your
> > >> external unit?  These are necessary to record any kind of knob  
> > tweaks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart  
> > <s.tielsch@
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > hi all,
> > >> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a  
> > possibility to
> > >> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal  
> > sequencer PLUS
> > >> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds,  
> > its just for
> > >> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i  
> > hear what i do,
> > >> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i
> > >> > do...stupid..
> > >> >
> > >> > thnx -ed
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

�

i did this.. can you confim that it SHOULD work: recording knob movements from the mp to an ext device INTO the mp sequencer WHILE hearing what they are doing (what i am recording in this moment??
maybe the "sequ" option is ment for recording the internal synths only?
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> I would Reset that thing if there aren't patterns you want/need.
> Hold down both curser buttons and turn on the unit.
> Then scroll to option 18 I think, and the Reboot.
> Something sounds funky with your unit and sometimes this helps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Bruno ; wrote:
>
> > What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to "transmit",
> > IIRC.
> >
> >; Bruno
> >
> > 2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart :
> > > hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the knob
> > movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so
> > speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the
> > knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng
> > back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> > > + what changes in grid + step mode?
> > > "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> > > as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the
> > record session..
> > >
> > > thnx
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You have to record in step time first, or the grid. Then go back
> > in
> > >> real-time and tweak your knobs. First of all, is your synth or
> > sampler even
> > >> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?
> > Did you set
> > >> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under
> > Global? And do
> > >> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to tweak
> > on your
> > >>; external unit? These are necessary to record any kind of knob
> > tweaks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>; >
> > >> > hi all,
> > >> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a
> > possibility to
> > >> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal
> > sequencer PLUS
> > >> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds,
> > its just for
> > >> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i
> > hear what i do,
> > >> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i
> > >> > do...stupid..
> > >> >
> > >> > thnx -ed
> > >> >
> >; >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>; > > ------------------------------------
> > >
>; > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I am wondering if you solved this yet. If not, I will do some testing. 
Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@...> wrote:
>
> hi all,
> my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..
> 
> thnx -ed
>

OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).

Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.

Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)

With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
(a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
(b) record the CCs onto a track, and
(c) playback the CCs.

1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.

I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)

Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.

Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> I am wondering if you solved this yet. If not, I will do some testing. 
> Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@> wrote:
> >
> > hi all,
> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..
> > 
> > thnx -ed
> >
>

OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).

Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.

Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)

With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
(a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
(b) record the CCs onto a track, and
(c) playback the CCs.

1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.

I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)

Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.

Steve

I have a similar problem with my setup.  I think the issue is with how I have my midi routing setup.  I'm working on so much crap at once with multiple pieces of gear, I have not fully solved the problem.   My set up is a bit different because I am using external gear that sends midi CCs and trying to record those tweaks rather than assigning a knob on the command station.

For now I have to set the track to an internal sound, record the knob tweaks to be able to hear the tweaks while I make them, then switch the track send back to external and play the sequence and hope the tweaks sound the way I want.

I think, It has to do with the fact that the midi in on the command station is set to rechannelize the info (I have mine set to rechannelize on record).  The settings I have to use to avoid a midi loop prevent the knob tweaks being heard during recording.  But I can hear tweaks on internal sounds when CCs are sent from external devices while recording.  Thus, the rediculous work around I've been currently using.  Other settings that could allow the tweaks to be heard during record will cause a midi loop.  The only other option is to turn off the rechannelize midi in and work a solution from there.  I have not given much time exploring this.  After I get bogged down with tech shit for too long I just want to get some music made.  So, I have to walk away from the problem and come back to it another day.  Otherwise, it stops being fun and that's what I'm in it for.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> That's not true.  It works for both internal and external machines,  
> 100%.  What are trying to trigger/record with the command station?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:14 PM, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@... 
>  > wrote:
> 
> > i did this.. can you confim that it SHOULD work: recording knob  
> > movements from the mp to an ext device INTO the mp sequencer WHILE  
> > hearing what they are doing (what i am recording in this moment??
> > maybe the "sequ" option is ment for recording the internal synths  
> > only?
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would Reset that thing if there aren't patterns you want/need.
> > > Hold down both curser buttons and turn on the unit.
> > > Then scroll to option 18 I think, and the Reboot.
> > > Something sounds funky with your unit and sometimes this helps.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to  
> > "transmit",
> > > > IIRC.
> > > >
> > > > Bruno
> > > >
> > > > 2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@>:
> > > > > hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the  
> > knob
> > > > movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so
> > > > speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the
> > > > knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng
> > > > back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> > > > > + what changes in grid + step mode?
> > > > > "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> > > > > as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the
> > > > record session..
> > > > >
> > > > > thnx
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You have to record in step time first, or the grid. Then go  
> > back
> > > > in
> > > > >> real-time and tweak your knobs. First of all, is your synth or
> > > > sampler even
> > > > >> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?
> > > > Did you set
> > > > >> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under
> > > > Global? And do
> > > > >> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to  
> > tweak
> > > > on your
> > > > >> external unit? These are necessary to record any kind of knob
> > > > tweaks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart
> > > > <s.tielsch@
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > hi all,
> > > > >> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a
> > > > possibility to
> > > > >> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal
> > > > sequencer PLUS
> > > > >> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds,
> > > > its just for
> > > > >> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i
> > > > hear what i do,
> > > > >> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear  
> > what i
> > > > >> > do...stupid..
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > thnx -ed
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

It should. I just wanted to do a test using the XL-1's default CCs, so I used the programmable knobs mode and saved those CCs in a multi for future use (leaving the quick-edit CCs for the P2500's defaults). 
--Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Abatemarco <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Would that work for the quick-edit knobs as well? For the CC values they
> send out I mean?
> 
> --Dan
> 
> 
> 
> OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on
> > Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had
> > ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this
> > template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using
> > the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).
> >
> > Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have
> > some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from
> > returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my
> > placeholder, but any data should do the trick.
> >
> > Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy),
> > I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC
> > values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip:
> > You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different
> > multis.)
> >
> > With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
> > (a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
> > (b) record the CCs onto a track, and
> > (c) playback the CCs.
> >
> > 1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
> > 2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.
> >
> > I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my
> > personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my
> > method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings.
> > (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual
> > preferences.)
> >
> > Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some
> > new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my
> > mind to do--when I had a chance.
> >
> > Steve
>

I just did a quick test. When rechannelize is set to "on record" mode, the record light must be on (and you must be in realtime or step mode, not grid mode) in order to hear the CCs externally.

You are right about wiring affecting performance results. I have been using P2500 Port B out to the XL-1 to slave the midi clocks, so that's why I used the method I did. However, if you have any piece of gear hooked up to the Command Station's out, it should work (as long as it responds to CCs and you have the transmitting and receiving CCs set to match.

Also, for convenience (since I already had my "16 Track to Ext" template), I used that. I did not test it with using MultiB, but I don't see what that wouldn't work. If so, and you have several pieces of external gear each set to operate only on a few channels, I believe you could set up the programmable knobs to control different pieces of external gear.

BTW, I didn't mention this, but as for channel/destination, my programmable knobs are set to Basic / seq and I only tested one channel using an audition riff on the XL-1. With the programmability of the knobs, there are alot more possible combinations and permutations. For example, the top row (MidiA-MidiD) could be set to internal say for example for live performance, the next row (MidiE-MidiH) could be set to control the same parameters, but on an external E-Mu, etc. 

Considering that these are are store in multis, the possibilities are staggering, depending on your gear and setup. 

As for using external CCs going into your E-Mu, I haven't tested that today as far as recording, though I routinely send CCs from an external keyboard to my E-Mus. Is it correct that you are sending external CCs to the E-Mu (for the purposes of recording them) and then sending them from the sequencer to the external gear?

I would have to set some things up to see how that works.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bobsvitilla" <bobsvitilla@...> wrote:
>
> I have a similar problem with my setup.  I think the issue is with how I have my midi routing setup.  I'm working on so much crap at once with multiple pieces of gear, I have not fully solved the problem.   My set up is a bit different because I am using external gear that sends midi CCs and trying to record those tweaks rather than assigning a knob on the command station.
> 
> For now I have to set the track to an internal sound, record the knob tweaks to be able to hear the tweaks while I make them, then switch the track send back to external and play the sequence and hope the tweaks sound the way I want.
> 
> I think, It has to do with the fact that the midi in on the command station is set to rechannelize the info (I have mine set to rechannelize on record).  The settings I have to use to avoid a midi loop prevent the knob tweaks being heard during recording.  But I can hear tweaks on internal sounds when CCs are sent from external devices while recording.  Thus, the rediculous work around I've been currently using.  Other settings that could allow the tweaks to be heard during record will cause a midi loop.  The only other option is to turn off the rechannelize midi in and work a solution from there.  I have not given much time exploring this.  After I get bogged down with tech shit for too long I just want to get some music made.  So, I have to walk away from the problem and come back to it another day.  Otherwise, it stops being fun and that's what I'm in it for.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> >
> > That's not true.  It works for both internal and external machines,  
> > 100%.  What are trying to trigger/record with the command station?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:14 PM, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@ 
> >  > wrote:
> > 
> > > i did this.. can you confim that it SHOULD work: recording knob  
> > > movements from the mp to an ext device INTO the mp sequencer WHILE  
> > > hearing what they are doing (what i am recording in this moment??
> > > maybe the "sequ" option is ment for recording the internal synths  
> > > only?
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would Reset that thing if there aren't patterns you want/need.
> > > > Hold down both curser buttons and turn on the unit.
> > > > Then scroll to option 18 I think, and the Reboot.
> > > > Something sounds funky with your unit and sometimes this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Bruno <brunorc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What about "Knobs MIDI Out" setting? It should be set to  
> > > "transmit",
> > > > > IIRC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruno
> > > > >
> > > > > 2010/12/4 love_su_re_soulmyheart <s.tielsch@>:
> > > > > > hey, under "pattern" i set "both" to each track + i hear the  
> > > knob
> > > > > movements i do in realtime (when recording).the knob movements so
> > > > > speak to my extrenal synth. do i switch to "sequ" it records the
> > > > > knobs but i cant hear them while recording, just at playng
> > > > > back...thats impossible to work like taht..
> > > > > > + what changes in grid + step mode?
> > > > > > "proper values" i defined in the controll menue for each knob.
> > > > > > as mentioned: i hear them when palyin back, but not during the
> > > > > record session..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thnx
> > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You have to record in step time first, or the grid. Then go  
> > > back
> > > > > in
> > > > > >> real-time and tweak your knobs. First of all, is your synth or
> > > > > sampler even
> > > > > >> reactive to your knob tweaks on the MP-7 in the first place?
> > > > > Did you set
> > > > > >> up the proper values for your knobs in the CC section under
> > > > > Global? And do
> > > > > >> those assignments correspond to the the things you want to  
> > > tweak
> > > > > on your
> > > > > >> external unit? These are necessary to record any kind of knob
> > > > > tweaks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 PM, love_su_re_soulmyheart
> > > > > <s.tielsch@
> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > hi all,
> > > > > >> > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a
> > > > > possibility to
> > > > > >> > record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal
> > > > > sequencer PLUS
> > > > > >> > hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds,
> > > > > its just for
> > > > > >> > sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i
> > > > > hear what i do,
> > > > > >> > but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear  
> > > what i
> > > > > >> > do...stupid..
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > thnx -ed
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

thanx my friend!!
the "rechannelizing" feature is the key..
set to "always" let me hear the movements when playing back + recording, so the knob data send to "sequ" makes it perfect.

i have  another qu: at grid recording more than 16 steps (32tl or more bars), is it possible to "freeze" the screen to a specific bar to adjust parameters? i know i can loop 1 bar, but in 32tl mode it wont help..the screen jumps to the played notes so its very hard to set steps via knobs (vel/gate).

ed
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).
> 
> Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.
> 
> Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)
> 
> With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
> (a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
> (b) record the CCs onto a track, and
> (c) playback the CCs.
> 
> 1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
> 2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.
> 
> I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)
> 
> Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if you solved this yet. If not, I will do some testing. 
> > Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hi all,
> > > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..
> > > 
> > > thnx -ed
> > >
> >
>

ed-
yes you can freeze in grid mode, when the track is playing just hit the play button again to stop the grid, and play again to resume. 

It gets harder at faster tempos and higher grid resolution, you got to get good a punching in on time.

you can scroll through the bars, but i'm pretty sure you have to play the track to get to the 32nd notes and above,

please someone correct me if I'm wrong as I'd also like to find a more accurate way to edit in grid mode 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@...> wrote:
>
> 
> thanx my friend!!
> the "rechannelizing" feature is the key..
> set to "always" let me hear the movements when playing back + recording, so the knob data send to "sequ" makes it perfect.
> 
> i have  another qu: at grid recording more than 16 steps (32tl or more bars), is it possible to "freeze" the screen to a specific bar to adjust parameters? i know i can loop 1 bar, but in 32tl mode it wont help..the screen jumps to the played notes so its very hard to set steps via knobs (vel/gate).
> 
> ed
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).
> > 
> > Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.
> > 
> > Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)
> > 
> > With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
> > (a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
> > (b) record the CCs onto a track, and
> > (c) playback the CCs.
> > 
> > 1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
> > 2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.
> > 
> > I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)
> > 
> > Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am wondering if you solved this yet. If not, I will do some testing. 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi all,
> > > > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..
> > > > 
> > > > thnx -ed
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Glad to hear the solution works for your needs!

I have never really done anything with grid mode, so I will defer to others with more knowledge and experience. I believe that over the years details about grid mode discussed.

Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@...> wrote:
>
> 
> thanx my friend!!
> the "rechannelizing" feature is the key..
> set to "always" let me hear the movements when playing back + recording, so the knob data send to "sequ" makes it perfect.
> 
> i have  another qu: at grid recording more than 16 steps (32tl or more bars), is it possible to "freeze" the screen to a specific bar to adjust parameters? i know i can loop 1 bar, but in 32tl mode it wont help..the screen jumps to the played notes so its very hard to set steps via knobs (vel/gate).
> 
> ed
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).
> > 
> > Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.
> > 
> > Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)
> > 
> > With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
> > (a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
> > (b) record the CCs onto a track, and
> > (c) playback the CCs.
> > 
> > 1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
> > 2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.
> > 
> > I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)
> > 
> > Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.
> > 
> > Steve

Is there a way to do auto punch in and punch out on px-7/command station? this is a feature my sp-808 has that I really enjoy.
Thanks
Matt

Nice one Steve!
Solved a huge headache for me.

I'm a n00b that didn't know empty tracks default to MIDI Int. I didn't know we had to record dummy data so that tracks maintain their routing. 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).
> 
> Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.
> 
> Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)
> 
> With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
> (a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
> (b) record the CCs onto a track, and
> (c) playback the CCs.
> 
> 1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
> 2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.
> 
> I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)
> 
> Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if you solved this yet. If not, I will do some testing. 
> > Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hi all,
> > > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..
> > > 
> > > thnx -ed
> > >
> >
>

Glad this helped. That's what I like about the archives here--its a repository of all kinds of problems, solutions, possible work arounds, and personal prefrences, tips, and tricks shared and discussed in case others can glean insights from them.

I still have "All Ext"  as my bootup pattern (000^0). I chose to put CC 7 (volume) at v:127 at tick 001.01.001. But it could be anything.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bonzai2050" <bonzai2050@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Nice one Steve!
> Solved a huge headache for me.
> 
> I'm a n00b that didn't know empty tracks default to MIDI Int. I didn't know we had to record dummy data so that tracks maintain their routing. 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I spent a little time on this. Since I have an XL-1 slaved to a P2500 on Port B (which I use for clock sync), I converted a template I already had ("16 Tracks to Ext") to work on Port B ("16 Tracks->Ext B"). In this template the data on each P2500 track is externally assigned to Port B using the same channel number as the track (T01->C01B . . . T16->C16B).
> > 
> > Reminder: when you set up template sequences like this, you need to have some dummy data in each track to prevent an otherwise empty track from returning to the default settings when you save it. I use CC7 = 127 as my placeholder, but any data should do the trick.
> > 
> > Since my quick edit knobs use the P2500 CC values (and I find that handy), I used the programmable knobs mode to set the first 12 knobs to the same CC values as the XL-1. I saved this as a multi-setup to recall as needed. (Tip: You can have different CCs assigned to the programmable knobs in different multis.)
> > 
> > With that as background, here are the steps I used to be able to:
> > (a) hear the CCs working on the XL-1 when I tweak the P2500 knobs,
> > (b) record the CCs onto a track, and
> > (c) playback the CCs.
> > 
> > 1. In MIDI menu system, set KNOBS OUTPUT MIDI to transmit.
> > 2. In MIDI menu system, set RECHANNELIZE INPUT To Track Dest: to always.
> > 
> > I think that was it, though I may have some other things setup as my personal default. So, if you haven't gotten your setup to work yet, try my method. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will double check my settings. (Of course, there may be other ways to do this, depending on your individual preferences.)
> > 
> > Hope this helps. And thanks for asking the question. It got me to add some new things to my setup (P2500 CCs -> XL-1) that had been in the back of my mind to do--when I had a chance.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am wondering if you solved this yet. If not, I will do some testing. 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "love_su_re_soulmyheart" <s.tielsch@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi all,
> > > > my relation to the mp7 is new, thats why i cant find a possibility to record ccs (made by the onboard knobs) to the internal sequencer PLUS hearing them when recording. i dont use any internal sounds, its just for sequencing external. by choosing "external" for each track i hear what i do, but choosing "sequ" i record it to the sequ but cant hear what i do...stupid..
> > > > 
> > > > thnx -ed
> > > >
> > >
> >
>