Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I thought someone asked about this recently. In any case, you cannot6 use the CS's knobs or buttons to send out sysex data to external gear. There's other stuff you can do with sysex on E-Mu gear, but not that.

While the Command Station/P2500 sequencer can have sysex data embedded in a sequence, the E-MU OS has no sysex management. If you want to embed sysex data into a sequence, you would need a sequencer that can include sysex commands in a standard midi file. You would then need to load the midi file into the Command Station using e-loader.

I have written about this technique, and might even have some sample files. Search for embed sysex, I believe.

Hope this helps.

Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> I am stumped with building a Sysex map for an Akai S6000 sampler via the
> Command Station's front panel.
> Anyone using the sysex commands in real-time to control other gear with your
> CC?   I have the map for the S6000
> and now I need to teach myself how to program strings in order to open and
> close filters from the CC to the S6000.
> Unfortunately, I don't think the S6000 works off CC's, but Sysex instead.
> (booooo!).
> 
> Does anyone know if E-Loader has Sysex facilities built in it to assist me
> in programming the front panel?   Anyone doing
> anything with Sysex and the Command Station?
>

2010/10/19 James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>
> I am stumped with building a Sysex map for an Akai S6000 sampler via the Command Station's front panel.
> Anyone using the sysex commands in real-time to control other gear with your CC?   I have the map for the S6000
> and now I need to teach myself how to program strings in order to open and close filters from the CC to the S6000.

You can use Behringer BCR/BCF for this purpose. The front-panel
configuration sucks, but there are nice (and free) editors that make
it possible to send a parameterized SysEx by turning a knob or moving
a slider.

Bruno

I believe the RTZ is a function of the OS, not sysex. If I am right, no RTZ command is sent out (and therefore cannot be received).

I am not sure if you can control the second CS from the first via E-Mu's Remote Control Sysex commands. (You can read about it in the Sysex Manual.) I have never attempted it, though I have played with Remote Control. (Check archives, as I know I have written about it.)

Basically in Remote Control mode, the CS receives and transmits many knob turns and button presses as sysex commands. As I recall, not all buttons transmit sysex commands to simulate button presses (actually button ups, button downs, led states, etc.) So, I don't know if one CS can effectively control another to achieve what you want, but it might.

One of the costs to using Remode Control mode is that the Command Stations send out oodles and oodles of sysex commands. That may or may not be a problem for you.

I hope this helps.

Steve
 

--- In xl7@...m, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

[snip]

> I have been working with 2 Command Stations all week.   Does anyone know how
> to get the second CC to return to zero from the first one.  Double tapping
> the Stop button does not send a message to the second CC.   On other
> sequencers it does work.  I'm convinced though that the first CC doesn't
> actually send the message.  I could check and see what it says with Midi Ox
> and a midi monitor tonight.   Whatever it's saying it's not getting the
> second sequencer to go back to measure 1.1

Yeah--it would have been a very long shot anyway. In fact, I looked at a table of button commands I did a few years ago and noticed that I wrote "Song Mode Only" next to the command number for STOP. 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response, Steve.  I appreciate it.   I actually have decided
> to nuke the idea working with two CC's.
> As you said and I agree that it depends on the master and slave in the
> chain.   Like I was saying that it depends on what sequencer is getting the
> return to zero
> message.  For instance the Emu SP1200 gets it's clock triggered from my PX-7
> and it starts at 1.1 (of course). and if I stop the PX-7 anywhere in the
> pattern of
> the PX-7 the SP will actually stop also, but it stops and begins again at
> 1.1, no matter what.   It does it automatically.  I like that.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:05 PM, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I believe the RTZ is a function of the OS, not sysex. If I am right, no RTZ
> > command is sent out (and therefore cannot be received).
> >
> > I am not sure if you can control the second CS from the first via E-Mu's
> > Remote Control Sysex commands. (You can read about it in the Sysex Manual.)
> > I have never attempted it, though I have played with Remote Control. (Check
> > archives, as I know I have written about it.)
> >
> > Basically in Remote Control mode, the CS receives and transmits many knob
> > turns and button presses as sysex commands. As I recall, not all buttons
> > transmit sysex commands to simulate button presses (actually button ups,
> > button downs, led states, etc.) So, I don't know if one CS can effectively
> > control another to achieve what you want, but it might.
> >
> > One of the costs to using Remode Control mode is that the Command Stations
> > send out oodles and oodles of sysex commands. That may or may not be a
> > problem for you.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com <xl7%40yahoogroups.com>, James Ulibarri
> > <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> > > I have been working with 2 Command Stations all week. Does anyone know
> > how
> > > to get the second CC to return to zero from the first one. Double tapping
> > > the Stop button does not send a message to the second CC. On other
> > > sequencers it does work. I'm convinced though that the first CC doesn't
> > > actually send the message. I could check and see what it says with Midi
> > Ox
> > > and a midi monitor tonight. Whatever it's saying it's not getting the
> > > second sequencer to go back to measure 1.1
> >
> >  
> >
>

2010/10/20 James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>
> Good idea, Bruno.  One of my favorite artists, SND, uses that controller.  Behringer gets a bad rap sometimes but once in a while
> they come out with something really cool.  So what you're saying is that there is 3rd party software out there besides the shipping software
> that Behringer rolls out?    Which is better?

Glad you liked the hint.

In terms of being useful, the original Java software shipped by
Behringer is next to useless. BC Manager, which can be found here:

http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/bcman.html

gives you the possibility to extensively configure BC(R/F).

> Do you know if the controller works in stand alone mode without the PC or must you have your laptop fired up in order to get the Behringer
> to work fully once all the strings are saved in memory?

Once the configuration is done, you can disconnect BC* from PC and use
it standalone. All settings are stored in the memory of the device,
and the message string can be up to 125 bytes long. You can even send
multiple CCs (with the same value), so for example you can control
volume of 2 different MIDI channels with the same knob.

Regards,

Bruno

2010/10/21 James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
> thanks bro.  thanks for the link.  i've book marked it.   i may just save my pennies and get the Mackie C4 Pro.
> It's more casheesh, but with all that display real-estate there, I cannot help but take advantage of all the display information.

I would go for some duct tape, since it can save you 'bout 450$ ;-)
You can get another XL7 for this.

But we're slowly approximating off-topic, I'm afraid.

Regards, Bruno