Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

want. I heard from the grapevine you need a emu ultra sampler and blanks sticks which they don't make anymore. Anyone have more info?

On Sep 9, 2010 2:13 PM, "jamesulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...m> wrote:

I thought this was a retarded idea at first but now I am pretty stoked on the idea. Where are we at on this? How can I help? What's the next step? Has anyone pulled it off yet? What can I do to get this off the ground? If I have control of the kinds of tones that go on my own sticks... than I want this. I want to get the PX-7 synth engine another chance with my OWN tones. Updates? thoughts, etc?

my electronic music teacher at city college (Sf) has that sampler but I asked him about all this a couple weeks ago and he had no idea what I was even talking about.
I believe its possible though because people in forums seem to have pulled it off. James maybe we can get some people in China to build custom chips for us? I think is just a 72 pin simm.
-matt

On Sep 9, 2010 4:13 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:

So it's Emu part number 6876 for the 16 MB and 6877 for the 32 MB flash roms. And then there are a handful of Emu samplers that will write to the sticks. I am not 100% on board that it absolutely has to be Emu's part number in order to work. Of course that's what the manual would say though. But I am tempted to think that any flash rom with the the right specs could possibly work. Now what would those specs be? I don't know yet and I don't have an Emu Ultra-whatever and a 6876/6877 flash ROM to try it yet. The information out there seems elusive on who actually has pulled this off and actually installed the custom flash rom in their Command Station and got it to work. It doesn't seem you can get a definitive answer from anyone yet. Just lots of fragmented stuff on forums, etc. Or did I miss something? Now my other question is do you absolutely need an Ultra sampler to write to a flash rom with programs like Awave that will write in one of the Emu formats that the Command Station will read?

Sorry if all this has already been established. I am sure it has, but someone ramp me up quickly.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Matt <somatt@...>; wrote:
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Well you only have to figure it out once right?

On Sep 9, 2010 10:25 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

But I want to try it anyways despite the hassle. Don't get me wrong.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:14 PM, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote: > > It's a lot of ...

At the same time, custom 32MB ROMs would be fantastic, Emax 1 or no.
The Emax 1 could still be used - but the ability to use the CS engine
and sequencer with one's own custom samplles would be quite a treat,
and I say that as someone with 3 hardware samplers, one of which is an
E-mu Ultra.


cheers,
Ian

This is a the link to a 32mb flash rom on ebay. I'm sure you all know this but just in case

http://cgi.ebay.com/E-mu-Flash-ROM-Emu-ROM-very-rare-/260653232728?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item3cb024b258

 This guy (hill recording) always has these for sale. But it's up there. $229. but is usually around $249. I'm sure he could answer some of your questions. 
Good luck
TOMTEL

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:49 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      If that's all a person has to do is get one of these sticks on Ebay or wherever, and a dirt cheap Ultra sampler and then burn the tones to the rom, and then install in the CS.   Then that's piss easy.  I'm not sure why everyone has been farting around forever and not done it yet.   That's nothin. Although,  I have bigger fish to fry at the moment.  But yeah in a few weeks if that's all it takes then I'll do it.   I should of have an Ultra sampler of some kind for a while now anyways.  So that will kill two birds with one stone for me. 




On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...> wrote:
















 



  


    
      
      
      At the same time, custom 32MB ROMs would be fantastic, Emax 1 or no.

The Emax 1 could still be used - but the ability to use the CS engine

and sequencer with one's own custom samplles would be quite a treat,

and I say that as someone with 3 hardware samplers, one of which is an

E-mu Ultra.



cheers,

Ian

I got px7, world exp, xl7, and beat garden and am buying vintage keys and an orbit this weekend. Let's figure out how to copy these suckers.

On Sep 10, 2010 12:30 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

I sold him one of my PX7 roms.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote: > > > > This is a the link to...

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 12:39

Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?

I got px7, world exp, xl7, and beat garden and am buying vintage keys and an orbit this weekend. Let's figure out how to copy these suckers.

On Sep 10, 2010 12:30 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

I sold him one of my PX7 roms.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote: > > > > This is a the link to...

----- Original Message -----

From: James Ulibarri

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 13:24

Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?

oh brother. Do what you want, Matt. But in Bob's defense I would say copying them isn't worth the expense. I don't want a copy of a turd myself.
I mean the only worthwhile solution to copy them is to find a generic version of like an OEM flash rom with the same contacts, etc. Then you run into a situation where there may be need to be formatted. Did Emu put format data on these things before they left? Or are they regular joe flash rom sticks with nothing on them and just mark them up 20 times? It's anyone's guess. It would be nice to know so we could just get past this point. I'll eventually get a 16mb and let you guys know. But not at this moment.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Bob S. <tttsystems@...> wrote:

It makes no sense to me to "copy" them since the "originals" cost less then the proprietary flash ROMs that you would be using to put the copy on to !

Beside that, I am going to guess Emu owns the rights to the raw samples, and that would make directly copying them for redistribution illegal. This group does not and will not endorse or promote illegal activates. Read the license that came with the ROM and tell us what it says....

Bob

El Segundo, CA

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 12:39

Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?

I got px7, world exp, xl7, and beat garden and am buying vintage keys and an orbit this weekend. Let's figure out how to copy these suckers.

On Sep 10, 2010 12:30 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

I sold him one of my PX7 roms.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote: > > > > This is a the link to...

I didn't get a TOS with mine. You gone one with yours?

On Sep 10, 2010 1:11 PM, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:

It makes no sense to me to "copy" them since the "originals" cost less then the proprietary flash ROMs that you would be using to put the copy on to !

Beside that, I am going to guess Emu owns the rights to the raw samples, and that would make directly copying them for redistribution illegal. This group does not and will not endorse or promote illegal activates. Read the license that came with the ROM and tell us what it says....

Bob

El Segundo, CA

> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 1...

> > I got px7, world exp, xl7, and beat garden and am buying vintage keys and an orbit this weekend...

I think the samples on a couple of the E-mu ROMs are quite nice, but
overall, I don't think they are worth copying, legal or not - if you
have 32MB (or x4) of space available, fill it with samples that tickle
your ear fully and really deliver for what you want to do.

Just a few months ago there was an extensive discussion regarding the
nature of the FLASH SIMMs on this list.


cheers,
Ian

Truely, I was only trying to inform of where to get the Flash ROM. I, myself wouldn't know where to begin to copy one, I think instead of copying the ROMs, they would be more for a producer or an artist to create their (own sound) and keep them hidden for their album(s),  with their (own sound). It just wouldn't be cost effective. Not to say that people haven't done it, I wouldn't try to do it. 
I think that there are sounds that are awesome and some that are "cheesy", but I still have all of them. You never know when you will need that "cheesy" sound to make an awesome track sound that much better. Good Luck
TOMTEL

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, Ian Lamb <ianblamb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:05 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      I think the samples on a couple of the E-mu ROMs are quite nice, but

overall, I don't think they are worth copying, legal or not - if you

have 32MB (or x4) of space available, fill it with samples that tickle

your ear fully and really deliver for what you want to do.



Just a few months ago there was an extensive discussion regarding the

nature of the FLASH SIMMs on this list.



cheers,

Ian

Mostly for James, this is more for your info + a little more.... I've never made illegal copies of anything. It has been years since I have bought a song, because I make my own music to listen to, but when I do buy Mp3's, I buy from itunes. They allow you to have it on 5 computers with your account, so Why would I make copies?. To sell them? Absolutely NOT...., I'm not desperate, especially not to profit from other artists talents. Don't be mad at me, you don't know me. I never intend to hurt anybody by what I say on this forum., I was simply saying I wouldn't try to make copies of the ROM's. It just doesn't seem like it would make sense. I would think that the Flash ROMs cost a lot, because they can be rewritten many times, just like Dvd-Rw cost more than Dvd-R.... But I also said, I use the sounds that come on the ROMs. Then I might? tweak them a little to sound
 better. In Protools, Logic, Cubase, Motu, etc... It serves a purpose for me, for instance, I have 2 Akai Mpc 2500's hooked up to 2 Digidesign Midi I/Os with multiple modules connected. I have an endless supply of sounds from Emu, Roland, Access, Yamaha, Korg. etc. which is so much fun for me. I enjoy what I do because I have been blessed. But I don't depend on it for any income. I am also here to learn from you all, and also to help if I can, I just love it that much.

TOM T.E.L. (Truth Evolves Life) Ps. do gooders always do good. :)) because what goes around ..... also I said PX-7, MP-7, and XL-7 were the same, to me.... but don't want to start another argument.

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 6:50 PM
















 









      There isn't one person on this forum who hasn't copied a CD, vhs movie tape, ripped an MP3, DVD, etc or photo copied
a document at Kinkos or your company copy machine.   Spare us all the do-gooder act.  Moving on,  now if someone was to figure out a way to

burn these roms by the hundreds, and slap Emu stickers on them and sell them on Ebay,....  then hey that's a little different.
But making a back up (10+ year old cheese rom) at your discretion for your own use wouldn't make me lose any sleep.

First I need something worth backing up.   In modern Electronica hardly any of those sounds are worth two squirts let alone one.  I mean you gotta work hard
to mask that cheese.

Go to EastWest or Big Fish Audio and you tell me if any of these sounds still hold any water.   I mean if you're purposely trying to make 90's techno

than that's one thing.  But if you haven't moved on and think these sounds still fly, than that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.  Oh I use one ROM alright...
and that's for the metronome.  




On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote:

















 









      Truely, I was only trying to inform of where to get the Flash ROM. I, myself wouldn't know where to begin to copy one, I think instead of copying the ROMs, they would be more for a producer or an artist to create their (own sound) and keep them hidden for their album(s),  with their (own sound). It just wouldn't be cost effective. Not to say that people haven't done it, I wouldn't try to do it.


I think that there are sounds that are awesome and some that are "cheesy", but I still have all of them. You never know when you will need that "cheesy" sound to make an awesome track sound that much better. Good Luck


TOMTEL

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...> wrote:

From: Ian Lamb
 <ianblamb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com


Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:05 PM







 






      I think the samples on a couple of the E-mu ROMs are quite nice, but

overall, I don't think they are worth copying, legal or not - if you

have 32MB (or x4) of space available, fill it with samples that tickle

your ear fully and really deliver for what you want to do.



Just a few months ago there was an extensive discussion regarding the

nature of the FLASH SIMMs on this list.



cheers,

Ian

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, TOMTEL wrote:

> Mostly for James, this is more for your info + a little more.... I've 
> never made illegal copies of anything.
=================

your comment is based on your understanding of "legal copies" (which 
requires an understanding of international law, constitutional law, 
federal law, state laws, case law, EULAs, etc). your definition of 
"illegal copies" may not be the same as MPAA/RIAA/BSA/etc definition of 
the term. i've seen panels of highly educated and highly experienced 
lawyers debate the point... if they can't come to a simple agreement about 
what is or isn't a "legal copy", none of us can.

there's not even a blurry line anymore... just a blurry field of gray 
stretching from one side of the debate to the other.


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Some things that you should know:


An Ultra Sampler can address 128MB of memory.

If you install one ROM/FLASH you lose 64MB of that [but you can have two 
ROMs/FLASH and not lose further memory].

The only benefit of having FLASH memory (in an Ultra) is that you don't have to 
load the samples into RAM (which is not long if you locate the files that you 
use regularly at the top of the disk file system).

The ultra sampler won't put anything useful into the preset memory of the FLASH. 
That is, the presets used by the ultra sample are stored within the main FLASH 
(together with the waveforms) whereas the proteus 2k series rack unit requires 
its own presets in the preset memory -> meaning that you will have to create 
your own presets for both units.


Copying a ROM (or FLASH) onto an ultra sampler (ie from SIMM to HDD) only copies 
the main memory, and not the proteus 2k presets.

All of the proteus 2k ROMS contain within them some presets which are useable by 
the ultra sampler (but these are not anything like the ones used by the proteus 
2k).


Consequently its not simple nor necessarily useful to compare "identical" 
presets from the proteus 2k to the ultra sampler although the filters are pretty 
much the same. I suspect that there will be slight differences that will boil 
down to personal preference. [I haven't bothered with this myself]

As for moving SIMMs from the Ultra to a proteus module - its really tedious. 
Basically, once you go to all the effort of creating useful presets on a proteus 
module you really aren't likely to want to reburn it with another set of 
waveforms and have to go through the entire process all over again [you have to 
create a bank of user presets for the FLASH, and then copy the entire bank into 
one FLASH bank]. Bottom line is that the FLASH SIMMs tend become single use (you 
put one set of waveforms on them and once you create the presets you just leave 
it alone). More like a custom ROM than a truly flexible option. 


Its a little easier if you put a copy of an existing ROM onto the FLASH because 
you can download all the presets for that ROM as sysex (although you need to 
change the waveform from ROM to FLASH in the sysex data).

So unless you're extremely motivated, the FLASH SIMM is really a over-rated 
comodity, since you can't easily change its contents in situ in the p2k module; 
and why spend the money on an ultra when you can just load samples into RAM?

If you're going to get an ultra sampler, you might be better off extending its 
capabilities with an RFX-32 card (despite its failings) rather than waste time 
with the E-MU FLASH SIMM.




________________________________
From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 4:46:18 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?

   
This question has came up before I think. 

What has the feedback been on the filters in the CS vs. the filters in an Ultra 
sampler?   Which one has the better filters?
Which one dips into distortion faster (not good) and which one has the deeper 
and warmer filters?   Anyone have both or had
both units that can answer that?   I know it depends on what samples/ROM you are 
using.   I am definitely making the leap
away from the computer.   The Ultra sampler & custom Rom burning is sounding 
better and better.   Bottom line is I need
an Ultra sampler no matter what happens.    I guess it's a $500 experiment at 
this point.  A used Ultra sampler and then the
rare 16/32 flash rom.  That's where we're at.

Another one going on moderation.....that's 3 this month.....I was hoping we could control our tempers better......
 
James - Tomtel's message was delayed because I moderated it and could not get to it right away.....he actually sent it a few hours ago.  I edited it so you would not take offense but his response could have been expected by the tone of your initial comment directed at him.  

This bickering needs to stop so we can proceed with what the group is really here for....the exchange of information on the command stations and related gear, productive use of the equipment, discussion of related topics and the creation of music !
 
I apologize to the rest of the group for these members, we don't need to hear this type of argument, it is counter-productve.....
 
 
Bob S.
El Segundo, CA
Moderator 



-----Original Message----- 
From: James Ulibarri 
Sent: Sep 13, 2010 3:19 PM 
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates? 

  



TomTel wrote this message to me personally about 10 minutes ago and I told him to eat one and take a hike.  Now he sends the message to the whole group. What a lazy weasle.  You obviously have no shame.  A few weeks ago you start beefing with Matt, and now you're starting in with me now.  Dude, you don't want to get into with me..  Trust me.    What's the point of your email really besides bragging about the trash in your studio and the software your use and how blessed you are. No one could give a fly rats ass, man.    For someone who doesn't want to start an arguement you sure talk a lot of trash.   




On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:37 AM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote:


  







Mostly for James, this is more for your info + a little more.... I've never made illegal copies of anything. It has been years since I have bought a song, because I make my own music to listen to, but when I do buy Mp3's, I buy from itunes. They allow you to have it on 5 computers with your account, so Why would I make copies?. To sell them? Absolutely NOT...., I'm not desperate, especially not to profit from other artists talents. It sounds to me like you have a big chip on your shoulder, and you are mad at something. Don't be mad at me, you don't know me. I never intend to hurt anybody by what I say on this forum., I was simply saying I wouldn't try to make copies of the ROM's. It just doesn't seem like it would make sense. I would think that the Flash ROMs cost a lot, because they can be rewritten many times, just like Dvd-Rw cost more than Dvd-R.... But I also said, I use the sounds that come on the ROMs. Then I might? tweak them a little to sound better. In Protools, Logic, Cubase, Motu, etc... It serves a purpose for me, for instance, I have 2 Akai Mpc 2500's hooked up to 2 Digidesign Midi I/Os with multiple modules connected. I have an endless supply of sounds from Emu, Roland, Access, Yamaha, Korg. etc. which is so much fun for me. I enjoy what I do because I have been blessed. But I don't depend on it for any income. I am also here to learn from you all, and also to help if I can, I just love it that much. So think what you will, and good luck.
TOM T.E.L. (Truth Evolves Life) 
Ps. do gooders always do good. :)) because what goes around ..... also I said PX-7, MP-7, and XL-7 were the same, to me.... but don't want to start another argument.

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:


From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>

Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 6:50 PM





  

There isn't one person on this forum who hasn't copied a CD, vhs movie tape, ripped an MP3, DVD, etc or photo copied
a document at Kinkos or your company copy machine.   Spare us all the do-gooder act.  Moving on,  now if someone was to figure out a way to
burn these roms by the hundreds, and slap Emu stickers on them and sell them on Ebay,....  then hey that's a little different. 
But making a back up (10+ year old cheese rom) at your discretion for your own use wouldn't make me lose any sleep. 
First I need something worth backing up.   In modern Electronica hardly any of those sounds are worth two squirts let alone one.  I mean you gotta work hard
to mask that cheese. 

Go to EastWest or Big Fish Audio and you tell me if any of these sounds still hold any water.   I mean if you're purposely trying to make 90's techno
than that's one thing.  But if you haven't moved on and think these sounds still fly, than that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.  Oh I use one ROM alright...
and that's for the metronome.   




On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote:


  







Truely, I was only trying to inform of where to get the Flash ROM. I, myself wouldn't know where to begin to copy one, I think instead of copying the ROMs, they would be more for a producer or an artist to create their (own sound) and keep them hidden for their album(s),  with their (own sound). It just wouldn't be cost effective. Not to say that people haven't done it, I wouldn't try to do it. 
I think that there are sounds that are awesome and some that are "cheesy", but I still have all of them. You never know when you will need that "cheesy" sound to make an awesome track sound that much better. Good Luck
TOMTEL

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...> wrote:


From: Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...>

Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:05 PM



  

I think the samples on a couple of the E-mu ROMs are quite nice, but
overall, I don't think they are worth copying, legal or not - if you
have 32MB (or x4) of space available, fill it with samples that tickle
your ear fully and really deliver for what you want to do.

Just a few months ago there was an extensive discussion regarding the
nature of the FLASH SIMMs on this list.

cheers,
Ian

Thanks Bob, for keeping an eye on things! Your efforts are appreciated.

Bob S. wrote:

>  
>
> Another one going on moderation.....that's 3 this month.....I was 
> hoping we could control our tempers better......
>
> James - Tomtel's message was delayed because I moderated it and could 
> not get to it right away.....he actually sent it a few hours ago. I 
> edited it so you would not take offense but his response could have 
> been expected by the tone of your initial comment directed at him.
>
> This bickering needs to stop so we can proceed with what the group is 
> really here for....the exchange of information on the command stations 
> and related gear, productive use of the equipment, discussion of 
> related topics and the creation of music !
>
> I apologize to the rest of the group for these members, we don't need 
> to hear this type of argument, it is counter-productve.....
>
>
> Bob S.
> El Segundo, CA
> Moderator
>

Why don't you guys spend some time putting your feelings and energy into making some music, upload the mp3s to soundcloud, myspace, or any other personal website like that and then invite others to listen to the music? 

I, for one, don't have the desire or interest to moderate this sparring. Without pointing fingers, just moderate yourselves and please be considerate of each other and the rest of the members of this group.

Please.


Steve

Bob, if you continue to run this list like some sort of PC Nazi I'll be forced to unsubscri LOL just kidding.
(I run the Electribe lists)

Anyway- to the topic on hand, IMO anyone thinking of "copying the ROMs to get their own sound" is really missing the point.
I'll use James' words:
"I am definitely making the leap away from the computer."
James- these machines, and some of us, are old enough that we never made the leap *to* the computer :)

The Emu sound engine we all sit on is arguably the most complex and capable manipulator-of-digital-sample-data that has ever existed.
So much so that the actual synth-side sample data is almost irrelevant.
If you want "your own sounds" then just keep hitting "random" and save the good stuff that comes out :)

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On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Bob S. wrote:

> Another one going on moderation.....that's 3 this month.....I was hoping we could control our tempers better......
> 
> James - Tomtel's message was delayed because I moderated it and could not get to it right away.....he actually sent it a few hours ago.  I edited it so you would not take offense but his response could have been expected by the tone of your initial comment directed at him.  
> 
> This bickering needs to stop so we can proceed with what the group is really here for....the exchange of information on the command stations and related gear, productive use of the equipment, discussion of related topics and the creation of music !
> 
> I apologize to the rest of the group for these members, we don't need to hear this type of argument, it is counter-productve.....
> 
> 
> Bob S.
> El Segundo, CA
> Moderator 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: James Ulibarri 
> Sent: Sep 13, 2010 3:19 PM 
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates? 
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> Mostly for James, this is more for your info + a little more.... I've never made illegal copies of anything. It has been years since I have bought a song, because I make my own music to listen to, but when I do buy Mp3's, I buy from itunes. They allow you to have it on 5 computers with your account, so Why would I make copies?. To sell them? Absolutely NOT...., I'm not desperate, especially not to profit from other artists talents. It sounds to me like you have a big chip on your shoulder, and you are mad at something. Don't be mad at me, you don't know me. I never intend to hurt anybody by what I say on this forum., I was simply saying I wouldn't try to make copies of the ROM's. It just doesn't seem like it would make sense. I would think that the Flash ROMs cost a lot, because they can be rewritten many times, just like Dvd-Rw cost more than Dvd-R.... But I also said, I use the sounds that come on the ROMs. Then I might? tweak them a little to sound better. In Protools, Logic, Cubase, Motu, etc... It serves a purpose for me, for instance, I have 2 Akai Mpc 2500's hooked up to 2 Digidesign Midi I/Os with multiple modules connected. I have an endless supply of sounds from Emu, Roland, Access, Yamaha, Korg. etc. which is so much fun for me. I enjoy what I do because I have been blessed. But I don't depend on it for any income. I am also here to learn from you all, and also to help if I can, I just love it that much. So think what you will, and good luck.
> TOM T.E.L. (Truth Evolves Life) 
> Ps. do gooders always do good. :)) because what goes around ..... also I said PX-7, MP-7, and XL-7 were the same, to me.... but don't want to start another argument.
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/10/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
> 
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 6:50 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There isn't one person on this forum who hasn't copied a CD, vhs movie tape, ripped an MP3, DVD, etc or photo copied
> a document at Kinkos or your company copy machine.   Spare us all the do-gooder act.  Moving on,  now if someone was to figure out a way to
> burn these roms by the hundreds, and slap Emu stickers on them and sell them on Ebay,....  then hey that's a little different. 
> But making a back up (10+ year old cheese rom) at your discretion for your own use wouldn't make me lose any sleep. 
> First I need something worth backing up.   In modern Electronica hardly any of those sounds are worth two squirts let alone one.  I mean you gotta work hard
> to mask that cheese. 
> 
> Go to EastWest or Big Fish Audio and you tell me if any of these sounds still hold any water.   I mean if you're purposely trying to make 90's techno
> than that's one thing.  But if you haven't moved on and think these sounds still fly, than that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.  Oh I use one ROM alright...
> and that's for the metronome.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Truely, I was only trying to inform of where to get the Flash ROM. I, myself wouldn't know where to begin to copy one, I think instead of copying the ROMs, they would be more for a producer or an artist to create their (own sound) and keep them hidden for their album(s),  with their (own sound). It just wouldn't be cost effective. Not to say that people haven't done it, I wouldn't try to do it. 
> I think that there are sounds that are awesome and some that are "cheesy", but I still have all of them. You never know when you will need that "cheesy" sound to make an awesome track sound that much better. Good Luck
> TOMTEL
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Ian Lamb <ianblamb@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Ian Lamb <ianblamb@...>
> 
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Custom Roms... - Any updates?
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:05 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think the samples on a couple of the E-mu ROMs are quite nice, but
> overall, I don't think they are worth copying, legal or not - if you
> have 32MB (or x4) of space available, fill it with samples that tickle
> your ear fully and really deliver for what you want to do.
> 
> Just a few months ago there was an extensive discussion regarding the
> nature of the FLASH SIMMs on this list.
> 
> cheers,
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Scott Solmonson <scosol@...> wrote:
>
> Bob, if you continue to run this list like some sort of PC Nazi I'll be forced to unsubscri LOL just kidding.
> (I run the Electribe lists)


Is the ES-1 one still the way I remember it?  IE:  99.37% spam?  If not, I might re-subscribe.  Today, I was again wondering about the structure of song files.


The Handsonic list was like that until they hit upon a solution: Me, as a manager.



For future gizmo-related groups, I'll repeat my recommendation that they be started as publicly readable and member-only writeable.  (Once a group is set up and running, it's unfair to yank the archive from private to public.)

On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:25 PM, just john wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Scott Solmonson <scosol@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob, if you continue to run this list like some sort of PC Nazi I'll be forced to unsubscri LOL just kidding.
>> (I run the Electribe lists)
> 
> 
> Is the ES-1 one still the way I remember it?  IE:  99.37% spam?  If not, I might re-subscribe.  Today, I was again wondering about the structure of song files.


*list
I started the "Electribe" list before the ES-1 existed so that's what I named it on egroups, you must be thinking of something different.
It's essentially completely spam-free because I moderate all new posters :)

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/electribe/

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If anyone is interested in previous discussions of the copying, distributing, legalities issues with regards to E-Mu ROMS, you might want to read from the archives starting at http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/13094.

Happy reading!

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Scott Solmonson <scosol@...> wrote:
>
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:25 PM, just john wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Scott Solmonson <scosol@> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Bob, if you continue to run this list like some sort of PC Nazi I'll be forced to unsubscri LOL just kidding.
> >> (I run the Electribe lists)
> > 
> > 
> > Is the ES-1 one still the way I remember it?  IE:  99.37% spam?  If not, I might re-subscribe.  Today, I was again wondering about the structure of song files.
> 
> 
> *list
> I started the "Electribe" list before the ES-1 existed so that's what I named it on egroups, you must be thinking of something different.
> It's essentially completely spam-free because I moderate all new posters :)
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/electribe/


Okay, that one looks far better.  I may have been thinking of the "korg_es-1" group.  I'll admit, I seldom use the term "Electribe."


Keep hurling those goats!

Hey, Bob! Do you believe all the immature nonsense going on? I have been very polite and understanding; I try to maintain a positive outlook and try to do my best to help people solve problems/find work arounds with their gear, look up relevant previous discussions from the archives, etc. I have written privately to two of the verbal "combattants" with what I thought was amazing calmness and understanding.  But it the nastiness seems to have spread to a third person (maybe more).

As I told you I am a believer of free speech and the thought of moderating people's posts really bothers me. And you shouldn't have to edit posts. I don't know what's gotten into people lately. We have never had this BS here!!!!

I also don't like the idea of booting people (except for spammers). If someone wants to leave, that is their choice.

Now that several people are on moderation, part of me wants to just take them off moderation and tell them to "Grow up." (Like I told my kids, I don't care who started it, both of you need to end it!) Yet, as long as its done, part of me wants to just leave it where it is. In any case, it is a waste of everyone's time. You shouldn't have to edit or even approve/reject thses posts.

My advice is just leave things the way they are--no more editing/approval/rejecting and certainly no more kind, understanding private e-mails to the "combattants." Let the posts just pile up no matter if they are inciteful or benign!!!!!!!

To echo what Greg said, thanks for trying to keep on top of it!!

--Steve

> ...filters in the CS vs. the filters in an Ultra sampler?   Which one has the better filters?

The CS - 50 types vs. 17 on the Ultra - 2-, 4-, 6-, and 12-pole on the
CS vs. 2-, 4-, 6-pole on the Ultra.


cheers,
Ian

The randomize function is not in eloader, it's a menu item. (I forget 
where, but I think it's different for the rack modules and command stations)
It doesn't really create new sounds, as it uses existing instruments, 
but it randomizes other things like filters, LFOs and patch cords (not 
sure exactly which parameters get randomized - it would be interesting 
to test)

I agree, everyone has their own way of using these versatile and 
powerful machines. I enjoy hearing how others do it. I have a PX-7 in my 
performance rig, an XL-7 in the studio, and a couple back-ups. There are 
plenty of great sounds to be found in the various ROMs. I don't buy the 
argument that you need "new" sounds to make good music. I do think you 
have to invest time into customizing and programming sounds and setups 
to suit your style and performance techniques. I don't use the 
sequencer, for me the CS is a combination sound module, control surface, 
and rhythm machine. Rhythms come from random arps or arp patterns, 
triggered by the front panel buttons (one for each of the 16 "B" 
channels, with volume for each controlled by the "program" knobs). I use 
LFOs or KeyRandom patch cords to make the rhythms sound more 
human/organic (adding variation to volume, pitch, or filter). My main 
controller/keyboard is a Nord Modular G2, with a custom patch that is 
designed to work with command stations. It has buttons to switch between 
midi channels, and to turn arps on/off and latch for the active channel. 
Also knobs to control volume, envelope, filter, modulation and effects. 
If anyone else is using this combination of G2 and Command Station, I 
would be happy to trade notes.

Mach FoX wrote:

>  
>
> he110 groupers and station commanders-
> thanx to person/s who moderates and keeps group spam free!
> this group is great and a wealth of information for me.
> I have been member for years and know my way around xl7 pretty well 
> for my purposes(main hardware seq)- but I like to know and learn about 
> other tips/uses.
> - just recently someone mentioned random patch generator (in 
> eloader?)- i will check it out...plus i havent backed up xl7 in quite 
> a while.
>
>
> I had a 2500 breifly before i switched to xl7- and a huge reason i 
> wanted these was to burn custom roms of my original samples which 
> would save space and set-up for live performance.
> found it cheaper and easier to trigger external sampler...but more 
> set-up and room needed.  :[
> There are so many uses for this machine that not everyone buys for 
> same reason. (if not happy with sounds learn and utilize patchcords, 
> or even try stacking sounds)
> since i gave up on custom roms I consider xl7 more of an extensive and 
> stackable inst sample library with good wave forms(4 cards in mine).
> the yellow beast is mostly a brain for the other synths/drums in my 
> set-up.
> live sequencing/editing is free and easy-
>
>
>

In my view, the rule for the list should be no spam, personal insults or 
attacks. First time gets a warning, second time gets you booted from the 
list.

steve_the_composer wrote:

>  
>
>
>
> Hey, Bob! Do you believe all the immature nonsense going on? I have 
> been very polite and understanding; I try to maintain a positive 
> outlook and try to do my best to help people solve problems/find work 
> arounds with their gear, look up relevant previous discussions from 
> the archives, etc. I have written privately to two of the verbal 
> "combattants" with what I thought was amazing calmness and 
> understanding. But it the nastiness seems to have spread to a third 
> person (maybe more).
>
> As I told you I am a believer of free speech and the thought of 
> moderating people's posts really bothers me. And you shouldn't have to 
> edit posts. I don't know what's gotten into people lately. We have 
> never had this BS here!!!!
>
> I also don't like the idea of booting people (except for spammers). If 
> someone wants to leave, that is their choice.
>
> Now that several people are on moderation, part of me wants to just 
> take them off moderation and tell them to "Grow up." (Like I told my 
> kids, I don't care who started it, both of you need to end it!) Yet, 
> as long as its done, part of me wants to just leave it where it is. In 
> any case, it is a waste of everyone's time. You shouldn't have to edit 
> or even approve/reject thses posts.
>
> My advice is just leave things the way they are--no more 
> editing/approval/rejecting and certainly no more kind, understanding 
> private e-mails to the "combattants." Let the posts just pile up no 
> matter if they are inciteful or benign!!!!!!!
>
> To echo what Greg said, thanks for trying to keep on top of it!!
>

This is my fault for taking things too personal. When I would make a comment about certain things, I felt like I was being attacked, not only for my response but for the setup that I am working with. I responded to it, in an immature fashion. I should've just let it go. But I let it get to me, and it brought out ignorance on my part. I do sincerely apologize for my actions. I will try to be a better person from now on. Thank you again for having such a group where I / we can learn from one another and try to help each other. 
Sincerely TOMTEL

--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Greg Waltzer <egw@gregwaltzer.com> wrote:

From: Greg Waltzer <egw@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] (unknown)
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 9:10 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      In my view, the rule for the list should be no spam, personal insults or 

attacks. First time gets a warning, second time gets you booted from the 

list.



steve_the_composer wrote:



>  

>

>

>

> Hey, Bob! Do you believe all the immature nonsense going on? I have 

> been very polite and understanding; I try to maintain a positive 

> outlook and try to do my best to help people solve problems/find work 

> arounds with their gear, look up relevant previous discussions from 

> the archives, etc. I have written privately to two of the verbal 

> "combattants" with what I thought was amazing calmness and 

> understanding. But it the nastiness seems to have spread to a third 

> person (maybe more).

>

> As I told you I am a believer of free speech and the thought of 

> moderating people's posts really bothers me. And you shouldn't have to 

> edit posts. I don't know what's gotten into people lately. We have 

> never had this BS here!!!!

>

> I also don't like the idea of booting people (except for spammers). If 

> someone wants to leave, that is their choice.

>

> Now that several people are on moderation, part of me wants to just 

> take them off moderation and tell them to "Grow up." (Like I told my 

> kids, I don't care who started it, both of you need to end it!) Yet, 

> as long as its done, part of me wants to just leave it where it is. In 

> any case, it is a waste of everyone's time. You shouldn't have to edit 

> or even approve/reject thses posts.

>

> My advice is just leave things the way they are--no more 

> editing/approval/rejecting and certainly no more kind, understanding 

> private e-mails to the "combattants." Let the posts just pile up no 

> matter if they are inciteful or benign!!!!!!!

>

> To echo what Greg said, thanks for trying to keep on top of it!!

>

Anyone have more info on the random functions?

On Sep 14, 2010 6:01 AM, "Greg Waltzer" <egw@...> wrote:

The randomize function is not in eloader, it's a menu item. (I forget
where, but I think it's different for the rack modules and command stations)
It doesn't really create new sounds, as it uses existing instruments,
but it randomizes other things like filters, LFOs and patch cords (not
sure exactly which parameters get randomized - it would be interesting
to test)

I agree, everyone has their own way of using these versatile and
powerful machines. I enjoy hearing how others do it. I have a PX-7 in my
performance rig, an XL-7 in the studio, and a couple back-ups. There are
plenty of great sounds to be found in the various ROMs. I don't buy the
argument that you need "new" sounds to make good music. I do think you
have to invest time into customizing and programming sounds and setups
to suit your style and performance techniques. I don't use the
sequencer, for me the CS is a combination sound module, control surface,
and rhythm machine. Rhythms come from random arps or arp patterns,
triggered by the front panel buttons (one for each of the 16 "B"
channels, with volume for each controlled by the "program" knobs). I use
LFOs or KeyRandom patch cords to make the rhythms sound more
human/organic (adding variation to volume, pitch, or filter). My main
controller/keyboard is a Nord Modular G2, with a custom patch that is
designed to work with command stations. It has buttons to switch between
midi channels, and to turn arps on/off and latch for the active channel.
Also knobs to control volume, envelope, filter, modulation and effects.
If anyone else is using this combination of G2 and Command Station, I
would be happy to trade notes.

Mach FoX wrote:

>
>
> he110 groupers and station commanders-
> thanx to person/s who moderates a...

> I had a 2500 breifly before i switched to xl7- and a huge reason i
> wanted these was to burn cus...

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Its really just a menu item that when you press a button to execute the randomize function, it creates a new preset from the ROMs you have installed.  On the P2500 its the last menu item in the save/copy set of menus.

To find out how it works, the best thing to do is to press it.  If you like the result, be sure to save it to user memory.

I have come up with a few that I like over the years, in fact I have a one minute song I did based on a randomized preset a few years ago.

I have had in the back of my mind the idea to create a Parametizer - basically a preset generator (like the randomize function) that lets you set preferences (ranges, specific choices) for the parameters. So, for example, if I wanted, I could set up a Parametizer template to create a bank of 128 presets each with a slow attack and a long release, with a specified number of layers, a subset of the any of the parameters we have [eg filter type, ROM instrument, etc.], and stored preferences for controller knob assignments [MidiA-MidiP].

As an antecent to this software, I created Syxer, a windows utility to display a preset in hex, to display the presets in a bank of 128, and a few other things. Recently, I modified it to be able to convert the ROM_ID for all presets in a bank to a specific ROM (e.g, taking a bulk dump from the P2K ROM and changing the ROM_ID so they work on the P2500 ROM.
  
Anyhow, if you haven't used the randomizer funtion on your e-mu, I recommend giving it a try. Just make sure you have some empty user spots to save the results in case you come up with some neat presets.

--Steve
   

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have more info on the random functions?
>

From the manual, it's confusingly under the Save/Copy menu:

Save/Copy Menu Create Random Preset
This is a great feature which creates a new preset using portions of the ROM presets as source material. By merging random presets, really great sounding presets can be generated with ease. Use this feature to generate wild new sounds, get new programming ideas or just for fun.
􏰀 To Create a Random Preset 1.	Press the Save/Copy menu button. 2.	Move the cursor to the bottom line on the display and press Enter. 3.	A new random preset will be created.
4.	Don’t like the sound? Press Enter again and a new random sound will be generated.
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On Sep 14, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Matt wrote:

> 
> 
> Anyone have more info on the random functions?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2010 6:01 AM, "Greg Waltzer" <egw@...> wrote:
>> 
>> The randomize function is not in eloader, it's a menu item. (I forget
>> where, but I think it's different for the rack modules and command stations)
>> It doesn't really create new sounds, as it uses existing instruments,
>> but it randomizes other things like filters, LFOs and patch cords (not
>> sure exactly which parameters get randomized - it would be interesting
>> to test)
>> 
>> I agree, everyone has their own way of using these versatile and
>> powerful machines. I enjoy hearing how others do it. I have a PX-7 in my
>> performance rig, an XL-7 in the studio, and a couple back-ups. There are
>> plenty of great sounds to be found in the various ROMs. I don't buy the
>> argument that you need "new" sounds to make good music. I do think you
>> have to invest time into customizing and programming sounds and setups
>> to suit your style and performance techniques. I don't use the
>> sequencer, for me the CS is a combination sound module, control surface,
>> and rhythm machine. Rhythms come from random arps or arp patterns,
>> triggered by the front panel buttons (one for each of the 16 "B"
>> channels, with volume for each controlled by the "program" knobs). I use
>> LFOs or KeyRandom patch cords to make the rhythms sound more
>> human/organic (adding variation to volume, pitch, or filter). My main
>> controller/keyboard is a Nord Modular G2, with a custom patch that is
>> designed to work with command stations. It has buttons to switch between
>> midi channels, and to turn arps on/off and latch for the active channel.
>> Also knobs to control volume, envelope, filter, modulation and effects.
>> If anyone else is using this combination of G2 and Command Station, I
>> would be happy to trade notes.
>> 
>> Mach FoX wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> >
>> > he110 groupers and station commanders-
>> > thanx to person/s who moderates a...
>> 
>> > I had a 2500 breifly before i switched to xl7- and a huge reason i 
>> > wanted these was to burn cus...
>> 
>> ------------------------------------
>> 
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Mach FoX wrote:  

> and Greg -
> I always wanted back-up CS - but spent money on nord lead2 and other 
> goodies! : ]
> hard for me to believe people dont use the amazing sequencer on CS( i 
> use nuendo DAW and tax my old cpu pretty hard with many tracks/fx so i 
> dont use software seq.)- but sounds like you use inventive way of 
> triggering loops/arps from ext synth. I have used arp on drums for 
> some loops before.
> I'm interested to see if i can use custom NL2 patch and try something 
> like that.
>
I find sequences to be a little too deterministic, I prefer to use 
pseudo-random patterns that I generate in real time on the Nord Modular. 
They send midi to the PX-7 (or XL-7) which plays the notes.