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Hello,
I wanted to share this with everyone.  It's a buyer's guide for sound
roms for the command station or any proteus 2k synth.  It also has a
pricing guide which can help you from paying too much.
http://reviews.ebay.com/E-MU-Proteus-2000-Series-Expansion-Sound-ROM-Guide-EMU_W0QQugidZ10000000002148488

Also I wanted to share this link to a bunch of roms on the epr
electronics website.  These prices are much better than ebay or the
guide lists.  The majority of the roms are available here.  Some of
the rarer ones are not.
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/html/Products/E-mu-Accessories/E-mu~Ensoniq-Sound-ROMS/index.html

hope this helps anyone looking for good sounds.  I've ordered beat
garden and xl-7 roms, they shipped out already and should arrive next
tuesday.  I'm still trying to purchase world expedition or techno
construction yard for a fair price (at or below the buyer's guide
price) but neither of which are available on epr electronics.
Thanks,
Matt

Hey Matt, thanks for the info and please let me/us know if the ROMs work. I am skeptical of buying any ROM now, because of a ROM I purchased on Ebay that didn't work. I was able to return it to the seller, and he gave me a full refund, plus he gave me the cost of shipping back, which is unheard of in most any situation. Most sellers require the buyer to pay shipping back, ( I think most sellers know things don't work and they are just hoping that people won't demand their money back ). I would like to buy some more ROMs as well. Again thanks for looking out for all us.
TOMTEL

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:14 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hello,

I wanted to share this with everyone.  It's a buyer's guide for sound

roms for the command station or any proteus 2k synth.  It also has a

pricing guide which can help you from paying too much.

http://reviews.ebay.com/E-MU-Proteus-2000-Series-Expansion-Sound-ROM-Guide-EMU_W0QQugidZ10000000002148488



Also I wanted to share this link to a bunch of roms on the epr

electronics website.  These prices are much better than ebay or the

guide lists.  The majority of the roms are available here.  Some of

the rarer ones are not.

http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/html/Products/E-mu-Accessories/E-mu~Ensoniq-Sound-ROMS/index.html



hope this helps anyone looking for good sounds.  I've ordered beat

garden and xl-7 roms, they shipped out already and should arrive next

tuesday.  I'm still trying to purchase world expedition or techno

construction yard for a fair price (at or below the buyer's guide

price) but neither of which are available on epr electronics.

Thanks,

Matt

Matt,

Thanks. Very helpful and the eprelectronics site is a great find.

Bruce




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From: Matt <somatt@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 12:14:54 PM
Subject: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing

  
Hello,
I wanted to share this with everyone. It's a buyer's guide for sound
roms for the command station or any proteus 2k synth. It also has a
pricing guide which can help you from paying too much.
http://reviews.ebay.com/E-MU-Proteus-2000-Series-Expansion-Sound-ROM-Guide-EMU_W0QQugidZ10000000002148488


Also I wanted to share this link to a bunch of roms on the epr
electronics website. These prices are much better than ebay or the
guide lists. The majority of the roms are available here. Some of
the rarer ones are not.
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/html/Products/E-mu-Accessories/E-mu~Ensoniq-Sound-ROMS/index.html


hope this helps anyone looking for good sounds. I've ordered beat
garden and xl-7 roms, they shipped out already and should arrive next
tuesday. I'm still trying to purchase world expedition or techno
construction yard for a fair price (at or below the buyer's guide
price) but neither of which are available on epr electronics.
Thanks,
Matt

I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work.
-matt

On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@...> wrote:

Hey Matt, thanks for the info and please let me/us know if the ROMs work. I am skeptical of buying any ROM now, because of a ROM I purchased on Ebay that didn't work. I was able to return it to the seller, and he gave me a full refund, plus he gave me the cost of shipping back, which is unheard of in most any situation. Most sellers require the buyer to pay shipping back, ( I think most sellers know things don't work and they are just hoping that people won't demand their money back ). I would like to buy some more ROMs as well. Again thanks for looking out for all us.
TOMTEL

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:14 PM

> > > > Hello, > I wanted to share this with everyone. It's a buyer's guide for sound > roms for ...

Are you serious?, :/ :)  just like any and all electronic equipment, things happen and things short out. Have you ever had a hard drive fail? Well if you haven't, then good for you, but I have, multiple times for nothing that I did wrong, I have been in the music industry for 30 years and have seen a lot of things fail. Just like cd's skip, dvd's don't play and sometimes ROMs are mishandled, and can short out, even as small as a midi cable stops working. This is not a perfect world, and if it were, I would already be retired on an island somewhere in the south pacific? and wouldn't be TELing you this. But I hope you have a good experience, or at least better than I have had. Just wanted to know if it all works out Ok.Good Luck, Oh and by the way I LOVE this EMU GROUP.TOMTEL, ( Truth Evolves Life )

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work. 

-matt
On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@yahoo.com> wrote:
















 



  


    
      
      
      Hey Matt, thanks for the info and please let me/us know if the ROMs work. I am skeptical of buying any ROM now, because of a ROM I purchased on Ebay that didn't work. I was able to return it to the seller, and he gave me a full refund, plus he gave me the cost of shipping back, which is unheard of in most any situation. Most sellers require the buyer to pay shipping back, ( I think most sellers know things don't work and they are just hoping that people won't demand their money back ). I would like to buy some more ROMs as well. Again thanks for looking out for all us.

TOMTEL

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>

Subject: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target
 pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:14 PM
>
>  
>
> Hello,
> I wanted to share this with everyone. It's a buyer's guide for sound
> roms for ...

Hard drives have moving parts. Flash roms don't. Flash roms are pretty solid. Still not sure what you're talking about, but hopefully mine arrive in good condition.
Thanks,
Matt

On Aug 18, 2010 6:58 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@...> wrote:

Are you serious?, :/ :) just like any and all electronic equipment, things happen and things short out. Have you ever had a hard drive fail? Well if you haven't, then good for you, but I have, multiple times for nothing that I did wrong, I have been in the music industry for 30 years and have seen a lot of things fail. Just like cd's skip, dvd's don't play and sometimes ROMs are mishandled, and can short out, even as small as a midi cable stops working. This is not a perfect world, and if it were, I would already be retired on an island somewhere in the south pacific? and wouldn't be TELing you this. But I hope you have a good experience, or at least better than I have had. Just wanted to know if it all works out Ok.

Good Luck, Oh and by the way I LOVE this EMU GROUP.

TOMTEL, ( Truth Evolves Life )

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

> > > From: Matt <somatt@...>

Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM

> > > > I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work. > -matt >> >> On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "T...

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, Matt wrote:

> Hard drives have moving parts. Flash roms don't.  Flash roms are pretty 
> solid.  Still not sure what you're talking about, but hopefully mine 
> arrive in good condition.
==============

light bulbs, fuses, CPUs, CRTs, transformers/PSUs, etc have no moving 
parts, but i've seen them all fail under normal use.

flash ROMs are generally durable (compared to flash RAM, or light bulbs), 
but when they're not handled carefully they can pop like a fuse from ESD. 
not to mention that just like most anything that's manufactured, some of 
them are duds and will fail under normal use. that applies just as much to 
hard drives and ROMs as it does to ball bearings and toilet seats.


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Hey Matt, I just bought 3 more ROM's from EPR they arrived yesterday and they all work great. Yes, 3 more, I already have all of them and multiples of them. I will buy them all, you better grab them while you can. Thanks for the info. 
TOMTEL (Truth Evolves Life)

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work. 

-matt
On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@...> wrote:
















 



  


    
      
      
      Hey Matt, thanks for the info and please let me/us know if the ROMs work. I am skeptical of buying any ROM now, because of a ROM I purchased on Ebay that didn't work. I was able to return it to the seller, and he gave me a full refund, plus he gave me the cost of shipping back, which is unheard of in most any situation. Most sellers require the buyer to pay shipping back, ( I think most sellers know things don't work and they are just hoping that people won't demand their money back ). I would like to buy some more ROMs as well. Again thanks for looking out for all us.

TOMTEL

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>

Subject: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target
 pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:14 PM
>
>  
>
> Hello,
> I wanted to share this with everyone. It's a buyer's guide for sound
> roms for ...

cool story bro. Hope you have a great time. Did you buy 3 more command centers too?
-matt

On Aug 27, 2010 1:17 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@...> wrote:

Hey Matt, I just bought 3 more ROM's from EPR they arrived yesterday and they all work great. Yes, 3 more, I already have all of them and multiples of them. I will buy them all, you better grab them while you can. Thanks for the info.
TOMTEL (Truth Evolves Life)

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

>
>
> From: Matt <somatt@...>

Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM

>
>
>
> I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work.
> -matt
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "T...

Just wanted to report that my xl7 and beat garden rom's from epr did work great. Very excited for world expedition which should arrive Monday from Jerome in Canada. Tomtel hopefully your Roms work great. Mine came in an antistatic bag.
-matt

On Aug 27, 2010 2:01 PM, "Matt" <somatt@...> wrote:

cool story bro. Hope you have a great time. Did you buy 3 more command centers too?
-matt

>
> On Aug 27, 2010 1:17 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@...> wrote:
>

>
> Hey Matt, I just bought 3 more ROM's from EPR they arrived yesterday and they all work great. Y...

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>> > From: Matt <somatt@...>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers gu...

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>> >
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>> > I don't understand why the rom wouldn9;t work.
>> > -matt
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>> On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "T...

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On Aug 27, 2010 1:17 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hey Matt, I just bought 3 more ROM's from EPR they arrived yesterday and they all work great. Yes, 3 more, I already have all of them and multiples of them. I will buy them all, you better grab them while you can. Thanks for the info.
TOMTEL (Truth Evolves Life)

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

>
>
> From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM
>
>
>
> I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work.
> -matt
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "T...

+1

On Aug 27, 2010 2:30 PM, "Andrew" <Alan_mansfield@hotmail.com> wrote:

Would you two mind carrying on your little sissy-fight in private... the rest of us seriously do not need to be bothered with it. We're all adults here, right?

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: somatt@...
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:01:14 -0700

Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing



cool story bro. Hop...

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Why in the world would you say ( little sissy-fight ). I'm not the one who has a chip on my shoulder. Or a ring in my lip (YOU TUBE) .....Do you know me?, I couldn't be more disgusted with this group at this point and just asked to be removed from it. I haven't spoken much over the years since I have been a member, and then some punk can come in and run it like it was his group. Thanks so much Alan for your support. No need to keep replying, I am throwing these emails in the trash. 
TOMTEL ( remember that name ) I will always TEL it Like it IS. 
 

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:

From: Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...>
Subject: RE: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 5:30 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      


Would you two mind carrying on your little sissy-fight in private... the rest of us seriously do not need to be bothered with it.  We're all adults here, right?

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: somatt@...
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:01:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing










        

















cool story bro. Hope you have a great time.  Did you buy 3 more command centers too?

-matt


On Aug 27, 2010 1:17 PM, "TOMTEL" <doggtel@...> wrote:
















 



  


    
      
      
      Hey Matt, I just bought 3 more ROM's from EPR they arrived yesterday and they all work great. Yes, 3 more, I already have all of them and multiples of them. I will buy them all, you better grab them while you can. Thanks for the info. 

TOMTEL (Truth Evolves Life)

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

>
>
> From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] proteus 2000 rom buyers guide on ebay with target pricing
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM
>
>  
>
> I don't understand why the rom wouldn't work. 
> -matt
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM, "T...

I would agree to several things:

(1) the apparent animosity is a bit much.
(2) while referring to "ladies" and "sissy-fight" might be humorous to some, it is kind of fanning the flames.

Question for TOMTEL: Was your request to be removed from the list made in haste? (If you really want to be removed, you can either do it yourself or just simply let us know you have thought it over and really do want to be removed.)

Personally, I enjoy making my own presets (as well as customizing factory presets), however, the E-Mu factory presets are quite good and if someone makes music using just those they should not be made to feel unwanted here.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote:
>
> Why in the world would you say ( little sissy-fight ). I'm not the one who has a chip on my shoulder. Or a ring in my lip (YOU TUBE) .....Do you know me?, I couldn't be more disgusted with this group at this point and just asked to be removed from it. I haven't spoken much over the years since I have been a member, and then some punk can come in and run it like it was his group. Thanks so much Alan for your support. No need to keep replying, I am throwing these emails in the trash.

Thank you Steve, I will stay on the list because I have learned from the group, and enjoy hearing different problems and the solving of the problems. Sometimes I can help but most of the time you all help me. Thanks again and I am sorry for making anyone mad at me. Lets make music and make the world a better place. 
God Bless from TOMTEL

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:

From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@prodigy.net>
Subject: [xl7] Recent animosity + leaving the list
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 9:04 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      I would agree to several things:



(1) the apparent animosity is a bit much.

(2) while referring to "ladies" and "sissy-fight" might be humorous to some, it is kind of fanning the flames.



Question for TOMTEL: Was your request to be removed from the list made in haste? (If you really want to be removed, you can either do it yourself or just simply let us know you have thought it over and really do want to be removed.)



Personally, I enjoy making my own presets (as well as customizing factory presets), however, the E-Mu factory presets are quite good and if someone makes music using just those they should not be made to feel unwanted here.



--Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, TOMTEL <doggtel@...> wrote:

>

> Why in the world would you say ( little sissy-fight ). I'm not the one who has a chip on my shoulder. Or a ring in my lip (YOU TUBE) .....Do you know me?, I couldn't be more disgusted with this group at this point and just asked to be removed from it. I haven't spoken much over the years since I have been a member, and then some punk can come in and run it like it was his group. Thanks so much Alan for your support. No need to keep replying, I am throwing these emails in the trash.

Hi,

 

I am a long time member of this group (and many other groups), and I truly
haven't seen this behavior in any other group. Most members go out of their
way to be helpful and some are absolute experts about the instruments and
electronics in general. 

 

Bottom line is although all these fine samples and features are available to
us, we should try to help each other in the understanding of the instrument
and the sharing of ideas so we can move past the boundaries of our day to
day existence with the gift of music. 

 

I hope all can contribute without the name calling and autocracy that has
recently arisen. 

 

Thanks

 

Bruce

 

 

 

From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
steve_the_composer
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 6:05 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Recent animosity + leaving the list

 

  

I would agree to several things:

(1) the apparent animosity is a bit much.
(2) while referring to "ladies" and "sissy-fight" might be humorous to some,
it is kind of fanning the flames.

Question for TOMTEL: Was your request to be removed from the list made in
haste? (If you really want to be removed, you can either do it yourself or
just simply let us know you have thought it over and really do want to be
removed.)

Personally, I enjoy making my own presets (as well as customizing factory
presets), however, the E-Mu factory presets are quite good and if someone
makes music using just those they should not be made to feel unwanted here.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com <mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com> , TOMTEL
<doggtel@...> wrote:
>
> Why in the world would you say ( little sissy-fight ). I'm not the one who
has a chip on my shoulder. Or a ring in my lip (YOU TUBE) .....Do you know
me?, I couldn't be more disgusted with this group at this point and just
asked to be removed from it. I haven't spoken much over the years since I
have been a member, and then some punk can come in and run it like it was
his group. Thanks so much Alan for your support. No need to keep replying, I
am throwing these emails in the trash.

I guess i use my command center the way others use a computer. My thing about the command center is that I don't experience crashes and technical problems that I experience when I sequence win a computer.
I run the command center as the top of my midi chain with my kaoss pad and microkorg and my tr-505 following sync.
With ableon live that type of setup is impossible. Ableton has to be run as the tail of any midi chain or it will send sync glitches down the line if cpu spikes. Reason doesn't output midi live, just as an export.
I need a good midi sync chain to sync all my external devices. the command station is able to give me that banging backup track to complement live arpeggiation of the pattern with the microkorg and live remixing with the kaoss pad and mackie.
Regardless, using the command station to make music is what's important, not who has the most gear or who can buy up all the roms from epr specifically so no other artist can have any.
Even then we can always design our own sounds. or I could get an mpc or Yamaha.
I hope that we can all learn to respect and help eachother rather than giving eachother false information and sending on wild goose chases.
I apologize to Tom, James,vBob and the Gang for getting my panties in. a twist.
I hope that I can have more of a positive irie vibe in the future.
-matt

On Aug 28, 2010 7:43 AM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

"the E-Mu factory presets are quite good and if someone makes music using just those they should n...

In comparison to what exactly? I would honestly bet cold hard cash that 85-90% of the Command Center users out there have not heard what Emu built their name off actually.
All I hear is how good these voices sound all the time. And I have also heard people say they are warm. Ummm, really?? What';s warm to my ears are voices coming from an Emulator II or III or Emax 1. Why? Because everything passes through SSM low pass analog filters on the way out. So yes, you are right then. Once the Command Station voices are sampled into one of the machines above, I would say yeah they do sound good, but not until they are. If you have never heard the engines on these things with your own ears and what a real set of filters sound like than you haven't heard what Emu built it's name on. Command Stations are just regular 24-bit DAC outputs rom synths. But once you sample these voices into say the EIII than you're in for a real wake up call. Instant plump and girth, and what real warmth sounds like. But what's going on there at face value is out of the Command Station is pretty tame. There is no comparison. To my ears it almost sounds like software. And I don't even need anyone to back me up on this. I know what's up and what's what on all these old machines.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:04 AM, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would...

Interesting. I do believe there are a number of Command Station users here that also had/have E-Mu samplers. I am wondering if anyone has done some sort of spectral analysis to see the differences the same sample or preset produces in the CS v. Emulator. Also, I am wondering if (and how) the samples from a ROM placed in an EOS machine differs from the same samples played through a command station. (You mentioned sampling the CS as opposed to putting the ROM is side and playing the samples directly.)

As for manipulating samples, I would agree that an Emulator with an RFX-32 card would give someone far more options than the Command Station.

BTW, I wasn't really making a comparison. I was just saying that the factory presets are quite good. Thinking about it, many EIII and EIV presets are just straightforward multisamples. Many loops are fixed at whatever the bpm is of the sample, unless you want the pitch to change along with the tempo. Here's where the Command Stations beat the Emulators--when you change tempo, your sequences don't change pitch. 

As others have said before me, its too bad E-Mu didn't develop a CS with all of the sampling capabilities of an EOS Ultra Sampler in addition to all of the capabilities of a Command Station.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> "the E-Mu factory presets are quite good and if someone makes music
> using just those they should not be made to feel unwanted here."
> 
> In comparison to what exactly?  I would honestly bet cold hard cash
> that 85-90% of the Command Center users out there have not heard
> what Emu built their name off actually.
> All I hear is how good these voices sound all the time. And I have
> also heard people say they are warm.  Ummm, really??  What's warm
> to my ears are voices coming from an Emulator II or III or Emax 1.
> Why?  Because everything passes through SSM low pass analog filters
> on the way out.   So yes, you are right then.  Once the Command
> Station voices are sampled into one of the machines above, I would
> say yeah they do sound good, but not until they are.   If you have
> never heard the engines on these things with your own ears and what
> a real set of filters sound like than you haven't heard what Emu
> built it's name on. Command Stations are just regular 24-bit
> DAC outputs rom synths.   But once you sample these voices into say the EIII
> than you're in for a real wake up call.  Instant plump and girth, and what
> real warmth sounds like.  But what's going on there at face value is out of
> the Command Station is pretty tame.  There is no comparison. To my ears it
> almost sounds like software.  And I don't even need anyone to back me up on
> this.  I know what's up and what's what on all these old machines.

ROMS are just ROMS. They have resources, such as samples/multisamples and presets For me, its more a matter of what someone does with them.  For example, you can take two layers of the same sine wave sample and program your patchcords, knobs, and other parameters to do whatever you want in a performance preset.

BTW, some people find ambient music boring; some people find techno boring. Some people deeply enjoy each of these genres. Its really a matter personal preference.

--Steve
 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

[snip]

> It's not about what you have or had, it's just about stepping outside the box that gets my respect.  Those roms are b-o-r-i-n-g.

Thnks for the pro tutorial! I was starting to fear for the long term relevancy of my px-7. You have re-affirmed for me the command station as ultimate! As for emax I'm now on the hunt!
Thanks!!

On Aug 28, 2010 12:11 PM, "James Ulibarri" <;jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

No need to apologize to me Matt! it's all good here.

Regarding Ableton, I disagree. The Command Station and Ableton is like nothing else. Or Kontakt and the Command Station is actually what I prefer. Don't run any sequencing in Ableton. Use nothing but Simpler/Sampler clips. Use Ableton as a sampler 100%. And just find your USB interface in the drop down and put every channel on external mode from the Command Station. Now you have UNLIMITED sounds by just dragging tones into Simpler. No use sending Richard all your money at EPR. And now you have unlimited effects also since Ableton is a VST host. The only thing I don't like and I am being really nitpicky is that there is a little bit of latency between knob twirling (assigned CC's) from the Command Station and Ableton. I wish it was faster. But that's why I prefer Kontakt as a stand alone. And for some reason Kontakt 2 actually sounds warmer than 3 and 4. It had a hardware sound to it. Maybe because it's a thinner app and there isn't so much going on. I don't know. But there isn't any VST support by running it stand alone. But that's fine I prefer a couple Ensoniq DP4's over any vst any day. Anyways, use Ableton in sampling mode and do no use any midi files. You still let the Command Station do everything but you're not depending on cheesy roms anymore.

And for the record I was never bragging about jack sh*t regarding gear. You can find an Emax 1 on Craigslist for $200 if you look often enough. Less than you pay for a couple roms. Adjustable sampling rate and real analog filters with 8 outs. Get on it if you can. It's not about what you have or had, it's just about stepping outside the box that gets my respect. Those roms are b-o-r-i-n-g.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:
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I know artists who have killer tracks from software and the songs they're coming out with, I do hear a slight difference, but I guess it just really proves that you can do wonders with Reason, Protools, and others software, I am not one to really speak on all the different ways of making music but I have tried a lot of ways in my 30 years in making beats. I just know what sounds good to me and sometimes I'm surprised by what people have done in both directions. I just like using hardware more. Peace.


--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

From: Matt <somatt@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Recent animosity + leaving the list
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
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      Thnks for the pro tutorial! I was starting to fear for the long term relevancy of my px-7.  You have re-affirmed for me the command station as ultimate!  As for emax I'm now on the hunt!

Thanks!!
On Aug 28, 2010 12:11 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
















 



  


    
      
      
      No need to apologize to me Matt!  it's all good here. 

Regarding Ableton, I disagree.  The Command Station and Ableton is like nothing else.  Or Kontakt and the Command Station is actually what I prefer.  Don't run any sequencing in Ableton.  Use nothing but Simpler/Sampler clips.  Use Ableton as a sampler 100%.  And just find your USB interface in the drop down and put every channel on external mode from the Command Station.   Now you have UNLIMITED sounds by just dragging tones into Simpler.  No use sending Richard all your money at EPR.  And now you have unlimited effects also since Ableton is a VST host.   The only thing I don't like and I am being really nitpicky is that there is a little bit of latency between knob twirling (assigned CC's) from the Command Station and Ableton.   I wish it was faster.  But that's why I prefer Kontakt as a stand alone.  And for some reason Kontakt 2 actually sounds warmer than 3 and 4.  It had a hardware sound to it. Maybe because it's a thinner app and
 there isn't so much going on.  I don't know.  But there isn't any VST support by running it stand alone.  But that's fine I prefer a couple Ensoniq DP4's over any vst any day.    Anyways, use Ableton in sampling mode and do no use any midi files.  You still let the Command Station do everything but you're not depending on cheesy roms anymore.  



And for the record I was never bragging about jack sh*t regarding gear.  You can find an Emax 1 on Craigslist for $200 if you look often enough.  Less than you pay for a couple roms.  Adjustable sampling rate and real analog filters with 8 outs. Get on it if you can.  It's not about what you have or had, it's just about stepping outside the box that gets my respect.  Those roms are b-o-r-i-n-g.   



On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt <somatt@gmail.com> wrote:
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If the merge is turned on, will the XL-7 retransmit sysex messages received?
What if the XL-7 is the destination for the sysex?

2011/10/3 Greg Waltzer <egw@...>:
> If the merge is turned on, will the XL-7 retransmit sysex messages received?

Hmmm... I can check it, but I believe it will.

> What if the XL-7 is the destination for the sysex?

Shouldn't matter, but as above :-)

Bruno

Intuitively, I thought, "No," but I wanted to test it to be sure.  I routed an XL-1 sysex dump to the P2500 with midi merge on (both A and B). Only the incoming led lit; the outgoing led remained off.

Notes and CCs do get retransmitted. My best recollection is that midi clock does not get retransmitted. This is the first time I ever tried to echo sysex data.

I do know that you can embed sysex data into a pattern and transmit it externally. Not sure if that would meet your needs or not.

Hmmmm. I wonder if the sequencer will record sysedx on the fly and echo it to a track assigned to external gear. Nope. It doesn't record sysex on the fly.

Maybe someone else has a method to make it happen.

Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <egw@...> wrote:
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