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Setting "Midi> Receive Program Change section to off" simply disables program changes (i.e. picking a preset).  It does not mute a track.

You should restore the factory multisetup (#63) and then avoid touching receive program change...  ; )

-Aaron



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From: Gabriel Scott <GABRIELSCOTT@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 4:14:28 PM
Subject: [xl7] Frozen midi settings

  


Hey Everyone,
My midi settings have frozen. I was recording individual tracks (kick drum) of a song several days ago and set all midi tracks in the Midi> Receive Program Change section to off (except for track 1 which was what I was recording)  to mute all unwanted tracks. I've done this many times. However today when I powered up I find that the midi settings won't change. As I scroll through the songs, they change just fine but only play patt #1. The display says they are now "on" but they still do not sound. I've always found the midi on the xl-7 to be pretty unstable anyway.
This similar problem has happened to me once before a couple of years ago. I'm writiing to make sure what I'm about to do is not suicide. And you guys have always been a wealth of useful info.
If I recall, that time I powered up into the diagnostics section then chose setting 
#17 init data except seq
Am I correct in remembering that this will not harm or erase any of my patterns or songs info, just the basic settings of the unit. (which is the xl-7 version 2.0) and specifically the midi.
It seems pretty obvious but better safe than sorry. I haven't backed up recently and would loose a good bit of very detailed work.
Also if there's any other suggestions (what else I might do, ways's to stabilize the midi functions ect) I'd love to hear them
Thanks 
Gabriel Scott
The Bleeder Project

From: Aaron Eppolito
Subject: Re: [xl7] Frozen midi settings
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 8:11 PM

Setting "Midi> Receive Program Change section to off" simply disables program changes (i.e. picking a preset). It does not mute a track.

You should restore the factory multisetup (#63) and then avoid touching receive program change... ; )

-Aaron

From: Gabriel Scott
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 4:14:28 PM
Subject: [xl7] Frozen midi settings



Hey Everyone,
My midi settings have frozen. I was recording individual tracks (kick drum) of a song several days ago and set all midi tracks in the Midi> Receive Program Change section to off (except for track 1 which was what I was recording) to mute all unwanted tracks. I've done this many times. However today when I powered up I find that the midi settings won't change. As I scroll through the songs, they change just fine but only play patt #1. The display says they are now "on" but they still do not sound. I've always found the midi on the xl-7 to be pretty unstable anyway.
This similar problem has happened to me once before a couple of years ago. I'm writiing to make sure what I'm about to do is not suicide. And you guys have always been a wealth of useful info.
If I recall, that time I powered up into the diagnostics section then chose setting
#17 init data except seq
Am I correct in remembering that this will not harm or erase any of my patterns or songs info, just the basic settings of the unit. (which is the xl-7 version 2.0) and specifically the midi.
It seems pretty obvious but better safe than sorry. I haven't backed up recently and would loose a good bit of very detailed work.
Also if there's any other suggestions (what else I might do, ways's to stabilize the midi functions ect) I'd love to hear them
Thanks
Gabriel Scott
The Bleeder Project

>>If I go into the "Midi> Receive Program Change" area and set any of the choices from track 1a through 16b to off, when I play back nothing on those tracks will sound. <<

are you absolutely sure you mean "receive program change" & not just "midi"? read out loud what you're saying... it doesn't make sense that simply disabling the PC reception on a channel would mute it.

I too use this all the time- I disable the PC reception so that control of which patch is playing stays with the sequence or the multisetup.

on the other hand, I disable midi reception completely on some channels when there are other modules being used to play those channels. this is a DIFFERENT menu item.

hth-
duncan.

From: duncan
Subject: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 4:41 AM

>>If I go into the "Midi> Receive Program Change" area and set any of the choices from track 1a through 16b to off, when I play back nothing on those tracks will sound. <<

are you absolutely sure you mean "receive program change" & not just "midi"? read out loud what you're saying... it doesn't make sense that simply disabling the PC reception on a channel would mute it.

I too use this all the time- I disable the PC reception so that control of which patch is playing stays with the sequence or the multisetup.

on the other hand, I disable midi reception completely on some channels when there are other modules being used to play those channels. this is a DIFFERENT menu item.

hth-
duncan.



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> I'd say try it on your machine, turn all midi channels except one off and play back a song.

So you ARE turning off MIDI channels, not turning off program changes.  There are two different menus.

Summary:
Turning off MIDI ENABLE will disable that MIDI channel from playing anything. (pg147)
Turning off RECEIVE PROGRAM CHANGE simply disables the preset from changing on that channel. (pg148)

http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/XL7Op-F.pdf
pg147-148 in the revF XL-7 manual

Also not that you're disabling *channels* not *tracks* though if you haven't changed the track assignments, Track 'n' will go to Channel 'n(A)' (i.e. track 7 -> channel 07A).

Really, reset to the factory multisetup (#63) and don't touch the program change one.

-Aaron



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From: Gabriel Scott <GABRIELSCOTT@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:29:29 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings

  


Yea,  Believe me, I absolutely agree that if you read it or think about what the setting is called, it doesn't make any sense. In fact I was going to address that point the last time I posted but figured that perhaps there were other possibilities, like different os, ect. But I swear on my xl-7 that this is the section I do mean and that's how I've used it. Maybe it's designed to be for something else but when I needed to mute whole tracks, from numerous patterns at once, in song playback, back when I first got it, I found this and tried it and it worked. I never checked the manual to see what that section was for, it worked so that's how I used it ever since. And as I've said, I've done it many, many times. Again I do agree that it doesn't seem right "on the surface" But my problem was solved, I didn't care if it made sense. 
In fact, several months ago, I hadn't recorded (individual tracks to protools) in a while and when I went in to the midi section to do this, I was even confused by the name. I had always just scrolled through looking for the 'midi ch #1: on' in the display window not really looking for the name. This particular time I was thrown, and scrolled up and down looking for something that made sense. But that was the only screen that had the options I was looking for, so I changed the settings as I had so many times before, and it did just what it had always done. So I stopped thinking about and got back to work.
I'd say try it on your machine, turn all midi channels except one off and play back a song. Only the midi channel/track # left on will send any sound out of any output. All others will be silent.
However that was not my question. It was only background on what was going on. 
I promise I'm not crazy, well...actually maybe I can't promise that
Thanks for trying to help though guys. I really do value all your wisdom.

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:


>From: duncan <goddard.duncan@...>
>Subject: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 4:41 AM
>
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>>>If I go into the "Midi> Receive Program Change" area and set any of the choices from track 1a through 16b to off, when I play back nothing on those tracks will sound. <<
>
>are you absolutely sure you mean "receive program change" & not just "midi"? read out loud what you're saying... it doesn't make sense that simply disabling the PC reception on a channel would mute it.
>
>I too use this all the time- I disable the PC reception so that control of which patch is playing stays with the
> sequence or the multisetup.
>
>on the other hand, I disable midi reception completely on some channels when there are other modules being used to play those channels. this is a DIFFERENT menu item.
>
>hth-
>duncan.
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From: Aaron Eppolito
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:56 PM

> I'd say try it on your machine, turn all midi channels except one off and play back a song.

So you ARE turning off MIDI channels, not turning off program changes. There are two different menus.

Summary:

Turning off MIDI ENABLE will disable that MIDI channel from playing anything. (pg147)

Turning off RECEIVE PROGRAM CHANGE simply disables the preset from changing on that channel. (pg148)

http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/XL7Op-F.pdf

pg147-148 in the revF XL-7 manual

Also not that you're disabling *channels* not *tracks* though if you haven't changed the track assignments, Track 'n' will go to Channel 'n(A)' (i.e. track 7 -> channel 07A).

Really, reset to the factory multisetup (#63) and don't touch the program change one.

-Aaron

From: Gabriel Scott
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:29:29 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings



Yea, Believe me, I absolutely agree that if you read it or think about what the setting is called, it doesn't make any sense. In fact I was going to address that point the last time I posted but figured that perhaps there were other possibilities, like different os, ect. But I swear on my xl-7 that this is the section I do mean and that's how I've used it. Maybe it's designed to be for something else but when I needed to mute whole tracks, from numerous patterns at once, in song playback, back when I first got it, I found this and tried it and it worked. I never checked the manual to see what that section was for, it worked so that's how I used it ever since. And as I've said, I've done it many, many times. Again I do agree that it doesn't seem right "on the surface" But my problem was solved, I didn't care if it made sense.
In fact, several months ago, I hadn't recorded (individual tracks to protools) in a while and when I went in to the midi section to do this, I was even confused by the name. I had always just scrolled through looking for the 'midi ch #1: on' in the display window not really looking for the name. This particular time I was thrown, and scrolled up and down looking for something that made sense. But that was the only screen that had the options I was looking for, so I changed the settings as I had so many times before, and it did just what it had always done. So I stopped thinking about and got back to work.
I'd say try it on your machine, turn all midi channels except one off and play back a song. Only the midi channel/track # left on will send any sound out of any output. All others will be silent.
However that was not my question. It was only background on what was going on.
I promise I'm not crazy, well...actually maybe I can't promise that
Thanks for trying to help though guys. I really do value all your wisdom.

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, duncan wrote:

From: duncan
Subject: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 4:41 AM

>>If I go into the "Midi> Receive Program Change" area and set any of the choices from track 1a through 16b to off, when I play back nothing on those tracks will sound. <<

are you absolutely sure you mean "receive program change" & not just "midi"? read out loud what you're saying... it doesn't make sense that simply disabling the PC reception on a channel would mute it.

I too use this all the time- I disable the PC reception so that control of which patch is playing stays with the sequence or the multisetup.

on the other hand, I disable midi reception completely on some channels when there are other modules being used to play those channels. this is a DIFFERENT menu item.

hth-
duncan.



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Not irritating at all!  Sorry if I sounded so, it's the late nights at work...

Glad you're back in business.



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From: Gabriel Scott <GABRIELSCOTT@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings fixed

  


Well...
I stand corrected, humbled and might I say just a bit embarrassed too.  
I sincerely extend my gratitude once again. 

Aaron, you are and were absolutely correct. I was set to poly mode and with that setting the display screen under Recieve Program Change menu was 'apparently' the only possible choice of where I've been making these changes. Apparently, but not right!

Now that I changed to Multi, as you said, the Midi Enable screen is returned to normal (ie what I looked for scrolling through options) and obviously where I have been making the changes. I still have some of my own questions about how and when but that's all irrelevant here, and honestly for me and my ego to work out later! haha. It works, and that what matters most. 
Forgive me as this exchange must have been a bit irritating.Your wisdom and expertise humble and inspire me yet again. 
Thank you very much for your help.
Sincerely
Gabriel Scott

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:


>From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...>
>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
>
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>> I'd say try it on your machine, turn all midi channels except one off and play back a song.
>
>
>So you ARE turning off MIDI channels, not turning off program changes.  There are two different menus.
>
>
>Summary:
>Turning off MIDI ENABLE will disable that MIDI channel from playing anything. (pg147)
>Turning off RECEIVE PROGRAM CHANGE simply disables the preset from changing on that channel. (pg148)
>
>
>http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/XL7Op-F.pdf
>pg147-148 in the revF XL-7 manual
>
>
>Also not that you're disabling *channels* not *tracks* though if you haven't changed the track assignments, Track 'n' will go to Channel 'n(A)' (i.e. track 7 -> channel 07A).
>
>
>Really, reset to the factory multisetup (#63) and don't touch the program change one.
>
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>
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From: Gabriel Scott <GABRIELSCOTT@...>
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:29:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi
> settings
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>Yea,  Believe me, I absolutely agree that if you read it or think about what the setting is called, it doesn't make any sense. In fact I was going to address that point the last time I posted but figured that perhaps there were other possibilities, like different os, ect. But I swear on my xl-7 that this is the section I do mean and that's how I've used it. Maybe it's designed to be for something else but when I needed to mute whole tracks, from numerous patterns at once, in song playback, back when I first got it, I found this and tried it and it worked. I never checked the manual to see what that section was for, it worked so that's how I used it ever since. And as I've said, I've done it many, many times. Again I do agree that it doesn't seem right "on the surface" But my problem was solved, I didn't care if it made sense. 
>In fact, several
> months
> ago, I hadn't recorded (individual tracks to protools) in a while and when I went in to the midi section to do this, I was even confused by the name. I had always just scrolled through looking for the 'midi ch #1: on' in the display window not really looking for the name. This particular time I was thrown, and scrolled up and down looking for something that made sense. But that was the only screen that had the options I was looking for, so I changed the settings as I had so many times before, and it did just what it had always done. So I stopped thinking about and got back to work.
>I'd say try it on your machine, turn all midi channels except one off and play back a song. Only the midi channel/track # left on will send any sound out of any output. All others will be silent.
>However that was not my question. It was only background on what was going on. 
>I promise I'm not crazy, well...actually maybe I can't promise that
>Thanks for trying to
> help though guys. I really do value all your wisdom.
>
>--- On Wed, 5/19/10, duncan <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
>
>
>>From: duncan <goddard.duncan@...>
>>Subject: [xl7] Re: Frozen midi settings
>>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 4:41 AM
>>
>>
>>>>If I go into the "Midi> Receive Program Change" area and set any of the choices from track 1a through 16b to off, when I play back nothing on those tracks will sound. <<
>>
>>are you absolutely sure you mean "receive program change" & not just "midi"? read out loud what you're saying... it doesn't make sense that simply disabling the PC reception on a channel would mute it.
>>
>>I too use this all the time- I disable the PC reception so that control of which patch is playing stays with the
>> sequence or the multisetup.
>>
>>on the other hand, I disable midi reception completely on some channels when there are other modules being used to play those channels. this is a DIFFERENT menu item.
>>
>>hth-
>>duncan.
>>
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Thank goodness people on this board are patient.  I learned a lot from this thread.  A command station user got their problem fixed.  And no one lost their temper and started flaming away.

Cheers

agreed, 100%. aaron's a life-saver. I wouldn't have thought to look & see which menu options disappear when the thing isn't in "normal" (multi) mode. I've never used "poly" mode, so now I've learned something. thank goodness for the internet! :-)

duncan.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bobsvitilla" <bobsvitilla@...> wrote:
>
> Thank goodness people on this board are patient.  I learned a lot from this thread.  A command station user got their problem fixed.  And no one lost their temper and started flaming away.
> 
> Cheers
>

I agree--it is great to have Aaron here with his expert contributions!

I must confess that until several months ago, I did not consider using anything other than multitimbral mode. However, a few months ago (I believe in problem-solving some issues on the p2k board), I began experimenting with omni and poly mode.  I have also been exploring over the better part of the past year developing a real-time performance modality (as opposed to slaving away at making multi-tracked tunes), especially with ambient sounds. 

One technique I had been using was to assign presets to different channels and then just change the output channel to play the different presets.

To my delight, when I had an XL-1 in Poly mode (I think) from the problem-solving, I discovered that I could change presets on the fly (including editing them) and not have to go through the extra steps of changing the output channel of the keyboard in order to have multitimbrality (is that a word?).

So, after doing everything on all gear in multi-timbral mode for many years, I am now open to the other modes. However, I have not explored them enough to know how the various menus function in each mode--except when the box say I cannot do something because it is in omni mode or poly mode.

It is nice to have this community to share problems and discoveries we have making music with our E-Mus. (And no tempers flaring is nice!) 

--Steve 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "duncan" <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
>
> agreed, 100%. aaron's a life-saver. I wouldn't have thought to look & see which menu options disappear when the thing isn't in "normal" (multi) mode. I've never used "poly" mode, so now I've learned something. thank goodness for the internet! :-)
> 
> duncan.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bobsvitilla" <bobsvitilla@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank goodness people on this board are patient.  I learned a lot from this thread.  A command station user got their problem fixed.  And no one lost their temper and started flaming away.
> > 
> > Cheers
> >
>

>>To my delight, when I had an XL-1 in Poly mode (I think) from the problem-solving, I discovered that I could change presets on the fly (including editing them) and not have to go through the extra steps of changing the output channel of the keyboard in order to have multitimbrality (is that a word?).<<

steve, would you mind elaborating on this a bit? I have a few proteus modules besides an XL7, & have just added a motu midi routing device to the mix, which will enable me to route inputs & outputs a bit more usefully than a simple merger. 

I imagine being able to use the proteus modules in different modes so that several presets respond to a single channel (rather as if they were linked, but with somewhat greater flexibility). that's easy enough.... but what's this about being able to edit the presets more easily?

duncan.

My midi wiring is all apart because I had to repair my midi interface. Otherwise, I'd boot my XL-1 to reconstruct what it is that I was doing in non-multitimbral mode.

What I meant by editing was changing preset parameters on the fly and triggering notes with the "new" [edited] preset while the previously sounding presets on that particular channel continued to sound as "old" presets. Once I get midi hooked up, I can try to explain this better.

--Steve 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "duncan" <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
>
> >>To my delight, when I had an XL-1 in Poly mode (I think) from the problem-solving, I discovered that I could change presets on the fly (including editing them) and not have to go through the extra steps of changing the output channel of the keyboard in order to have multitimbrality (is that a word?).<<
> 
> steve, would you mind elaborating on this a bit? I have a few proteus modules besides an XL7, & have just added a motu midi routing device to the mix, which will enable me to route inputs & outputs a bit more usefully than a simple merger. 
> 
> I imagine being able to use the proteus modules in different modes so that several presets respond to a single channel (rather as if they were linked, but with somewhat greater flexibility). that's easy enough.... but what's this about being able to edit the presets more easily?
> 
> duncan.
>