Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

someone, please correct me if i'm wrong... i'm not sure if i really 
understand this, or if there's a better way to do it...

in multi-mode, the XL7 can either have effect settings based on one of 63 
multi-setups, *or* based on the preset used on a particular channel (or 
some combination of those, but in either case the effects are determined 
by either the global setting or a preset assigned to particular channel).

so... if i want to assign an effect to a pattern, i need to program the 
effect into a certain preset and use that preset on the special channel 
where effects are recognized.

for what i'm trying to do, it seems useful to make presets that are 
"empty" of sounds, but contain effects settings, then make sure that those 
presets are loaded in "tick 0" with a PC (program change) message.

the only way to do this is to record one or more notes in the "empty" 
preset, then use the note editor to delete the notes.

of course i ~could~ just leave a note there... but i'd rather not. or, i 
might do this on a channel that's driving an external synth, but that 
synth is ignoring PC messages.

if i want to change what preset is loaded (if i want a different effect 
loaded with the pattern), i would have to assign the track/channel to 
"ext"; then use the event editor to edit the program change at tick 0; 
then go back to the track/channel assign and set it back to "int" or 
"both".

do i have that right? is there an easier way to insert a PC message at 
tick 0? or, is there another way to have each pattern select effects?

even then, how do i "check" that the correct preset is being loaded, 
without having to change track/channel assignments?

thanks...


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In my opinion is better to  assign the effects to the main section, and do not "use the effect of the preset 1, or preset,2, etc..... 

In this way you don't have to enter the patch edit mode, going to the effect section, and change the settings....

Is better to have a global effect section per PATTERN, that works for all the midi tracks and its patches.  

I normally have:

1 dry channel
1 channel with reverbs
1 channel with chorus/delay
1 channel with reverbs+chorus/delays. 

Some times I modify that but normally, is the combination that works for me more, so it's easier to assign the effects to the patches on the sequence.  

But I always proceed to give priority to the effects into the sequences, than use the effects assigned to certain patch


 



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From: Atom Smasher <atom@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:01:12 AM
Subject: [xl7] effects

  
someone, please correct me if i'm wrong... i'm not sure if i really 
understand this, or if there's a better way to do it...

in multi-mode, the XL7 can either have effect settings based on one of 63 
multi-setups, *or* based on the preset used on a particular channel (or 
some combination of those, but in either case the effects are determined 
by either the global setting or a preset assigned to particular channel).

so... if i want to assign an effect to a pattern, i need to program the 
effect into a certain preset and use that preset on the special channel 
where effects are recognized.

for what i'm trying to do, it seems useful to make presets that are 
"empty" of sounds, but contain effects settings, then make sure that those 
presets are loaded in "tick 0" with a PC (program change) message.

the only way to do this is to record one or more notes in the "empty" 
preset, then use the note editor to delete the notes.

of course i ~could~ just leave a note there... but i'd rather not. or, i 
might do this on a channel that's driving an external synth, but that 
synth is ignoring PC messages.

if i want to change what preset is loaded (if i want a different effect 
loaded with the pattern), i would have to assign the track/channel to 
"ext"; then use the event editor to edit the program change at tick 0; 
then go back to the track/channel assign and set it back to "int" or 
"both".

do i have that right? is there an easier way to insert a PC message at 
tick 0? or, is there another way to have each pattern select effects?

even then, how do i "check" that the correct preset is being loaded, 
without having to change track/channel assignments?

thanks...

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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Mauricio Balma wrote:

> In my opinion is better to assign the effects to the main section, and 
> do not "use the effect of the preset 1, or preset,2, etc.....
> 
> In this way you don't have to enter the patch edit mode, going to the 
> effect section, and change the settings....
> 
> Is better to have a global effect section per PATTERN, that works for 
> all the midi tracks and its patches.
==================

can that be done? is there a way to assign effect settings per pattern?

or do i have to assign a preset on a certain channel to control the 
effects in multi-mode?


> I normally have:
> 
> 1 dry channel
> 1 channel with reverbs
> 1 channel with chorus/delay
> 1 channel with reverbs+chorus/delays.
> 
> Some times I modify that but normally, is the combination that works for 
> me more, so it's easier to assign the effects to the patches on the 
> sequence.
> 
> But I always proceed to give priority to the effects into the sequences, 
> than use the effects assigned to certain patch
==============

i'm lost again... you can assign effects into the sequencer (pattern?), 
without assigning them to a patch? that's what i want to do... how can i 
do it?


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Of course!!!

 I don't have the emu here with me, but I think is on the global settings menu where you find it. 

Important: you must get used to design your user patches without any effect. 

I normally DO NOT use effects on my user patches on the emu.  Why?  they are quite poor, but there are some very cool reverbs.  However, I consider the command station as a "dry synthesizer" 

Actually, you can have a two effect selection and routing per pattern. The main effects, each time you change pattern, they will change. 

When assigned to main bus (using the effects selected from the global menu, you have FIVE options per patch to send effects.

you can use:  USE PATCH SELECTION:  there are different effects sending per each voice inside the patch (4)
SEND1, SEND2, SEND3, SEND4. 

so this method is very very flexible!


In my head, the effect section is called FILTER on the EMU.  Actually, UBULATOR  and other weird filters on the aMAZING filter section are the effects, they change the connotation of an instrument sometimes in drastic ways. 

just work a lot on the patch cord to modulate them.  Sometimes the Q (resonance???) does not work like Q on some effects. 

As a note apart, I have throw my headphones against the foller when navegating the twelve order filters,  with the combination of certain high resolution samples on some ROMS.  I HATE THIS.  Is like increasing the gain of a patch to +100x with a resonant filter set to 127 on its resolution.  craizy horrible timbres. 



 



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From: Atom Smasher <atom@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 3:39:50 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] effects

  
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Mauricio Balma wrote:

> In my opinion is better to assign the effects to the main section, and 
> do not "use the effect of the preset 1, or preset,2, etc.....
> 
> In this way you don't have to enter the patch edit mode, going to the 
> effect section, and change the settings....
> 
> Is better to have a global effect section per PATTERN, that works for 
> all the midi tracks and its patches.
============ ======

can that be done? is there a way to assign effect settings per pattern?

or do i have to assign a preset on a certain channel to control the 
effects in multi-mode?

> I normally have:
> 
> 1 dry channel
> 1 channel with reverbs
> 1 channel with chorus/delay
> 1 channel with reverbs+chorus/ delays.
> 
> Some times I modify that but normally, is the combination that works for 
> me more, so it's easier to assign the effects to the patches on the 
> sequence.
> 
> But I always proceed to give priority to the effects into the sequences, 
> than use the effects assigned to certain patch
============ ==

i'm lost again... you can assign effects into the sequencer (pattern?), 
without assigning them to a patch? that's what i want to do... how can i 
do it?

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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Mauricio Balma wrote:

> I don't have the emu here with me, but I think is on the global settings 
> menu where you find it.
============

when you get to it, please let me know...


> Important: you must get used to design your user patches without any 
> effect.
===============

not a problem.


> I normally DO NOT use effects on my user patches on the emu.  Why? 
> they are quite poor, but there are some very cool reverbs.  However, I 
> consider the command station as a "dry synthesizer"
=================

if i can't get the built-in effects to do what i want, i'll also consider 
it "dry" and just rely on external effects.


> Actually, you can have a two effect selection and routing per pattern. 
> The main effects, each time you change pattern, they will change.
===================

that's the part i'm trying to figure out.


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wait a minute....

"Programmed from the Master Effects Section when playing either single 
presets (preset Effect Type set to "Master") or when in Multi Mode. This 
is the typical mode when using the sequencer because the master effects 
settings are saved with each pattern." -pg 280

have i been drinking the wrong kool-aid? is it that simple...? all i have 
to do is set the "FX MULTIMODE CONTROL" to "master", save a pattern, and 
that's it??? each pattern saves saves the effects in place when the 
pattern is saved??? my turn to wear the stupid hat...


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Yes, that's what I meant. 




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From: Atom Smasher <atom@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] effects

  
wait a minute....

"Programmed from the Master Effects Section when playing either single 
presets (preset Effect Type set to "Master") or when in Multi Mode. This 
is the typical mode when using the sequencer because the master effects 
settings are saved with each pattern." -pg 280

have i been drinking the wrong kool-aid? is it that simple...? all i have 
to do is set the "FX MULTIMODE CONTROL" to "master", save a pattern, and 
that's it??? each pattern saves saves the effects in place when the 
pattern is saved??? my turn to wear the stupid hat...

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been following the thread.... 

there is one disadvantage of using the effects in "master mode" as opposed to having them tied to a preset in one midi channel.... or at least, this has been my experience.... I sometimes like to use a controller to alter effects parameters, & I can't get this to work with the master effects selection. I try sending the appropriate controllers on the global channel but nothing happens.

(for instance, I have a berlin-school-type sequencer voice that I want to fade away & add reverb at the same time. I can set a single controller to do this if the effects are in a preset, but in master effects mode I can't make it work.) 

I have got into the habit of using channel 16 for presets that contain my effects. this is in a live (concert) situation, where using the proteus' own effects is a matter of expediency. at home, of course, one can augment or supplant them with outboard units; I use a great british spring reverb & a line6 echo-pro. :-)

duncan.