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Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-06 by just john

Here's an idea I hope somebody will like enough to add to the wishlist
database:

A "notepad" function for storing text comments.  F'rinstance, to post
self-reminders.  Like a description of what a certain setup is for.  Even
set lists.  Now, one could currently do this just by creating blank presets
or sequences or even songs with the comment as a name, but maybe something
slicker could be done.  And I'm guessing one could store the entire faq for
this list in less space than a controls-intensive sequence.

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Re: Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-06 by adamhertzano

Very good Idea Mon!

Actually right now im using the main pattern name in order to store 
important performance note among the pattern name

AKey combination which will show the pattern name while in playback 
would be great to have as well as a notepad function.

Best regards

Adam
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> Here's an idea I hope somebody will like enough to add to the 
wishlist
> database:
> 
> A "notepad" function for storing text comments.  F'rinstance, to 
post
> self-reminders.  Like a description of what a certain setup is 
for.  Even
> set lists.  Now, one could currently do this just by creating blank 
presets
> or sequences or even songs with the comment as a name, but maybe 
something
> slicker could be done.  And I'm guessing one could store the entire 
faq for
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Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-06 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Cool idea, but I bet that would be next to impossible to implement.  It's 
a good habit to keep a notebook in the studio with any notes for stuff 
like that.  I too hated having to stop and write down some notes, but it 
definitely has come in handy!

rEalm






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Here's an idea I hope somebody will like enough to add to the wishlist
database:

A "notepad" function for storing text comments.  F'rinstance, to post
self-reminders.  Like a description of what a certain setup is for.  Even
set lists.  Now, one could currently do this just by creating blank 
presets
or sequences or even songs with the comment as a name, but maybe something
slicker could be done.  And I'm guessing one could store the entire faq 
for
this list in less space than a controls-intensive sequence.

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Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-06 by just john

>Cool idea, but I bet that would be next to impossible to implement.  It's
>a good habit to keep a notebook in the studio with any notes for stuff
>like that.  I too hated having to stop and write down some notes, but it
>definitely has come in handy!
>
>rEalm


... and once the USB interface is up and running, this unit plus a loptop
and one wire between the two will be handy.  (Hey, is MIDI control over USB
also part of that plan?)

And it's not like entering notes on the unit itself would be any quick
thing, given its method of text entry.   But since it DOES have this
text-entry method, perhaps its software is modular enough to call that
routine from some new function.  (F'rinstance, a new param for existing
entities (setup, pattern, song, preset) simply called "Text Note.")


Hey, do PDAs do USB?


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RE: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-07 by just john

>Hey, do PDAs do USB?
>>>>
>
>Why as a matter of fact they do!  Not to mention the Loader is a Java app, put
>Java on the PDA and you should be good to go...
>

Neat!  Now imagine this:

They build preset editing stuff into eLoader and maybe even an enhanced
status display

and

Somebody rigs a stand to hold a PDA in a vertical position, a couple inches
above the back of the unit ...
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RE: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-07 by Andre Lewis

Sounds like a product!  Can't wait till you make em!
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>Hey, do PDAs do USB?
>>>>
>
>Why as a matter of fact they do!  Not to mention the Loader is a Java app, put
>Java on the PDA and you should be good to go...
>

Neat!  Now imagine this:

They build preset editing stuff into eLoader and maybe even an enhanced
status display

and

Somebody rigs a stand to hold a PDA in a vertical position, a couple inches
above the back of the unit ...
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Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-08 by Jonathan El-Bizri

Small problem.
PDAs are USB peripherals
XL-7s are USB peripherals
PCs on the other hand are USB controllers.
I'd much rather emu worked on fixing the glitches and bugs, making the os more usable in realtime and with external gear myself. I can't wait for the next version of e-loader either. Maybe the midi won't arrive garbled beyong repair.
- Has anyone else manage to patterns that play back in the xl-7 without the bar/beat counter changing? Several of mine stick on 0.0 depsite playing back. You can't change the length of them either, when they are screwed up like this. It was just a startight export from logic audio. Also, I can >never< get the tracks and channels to stick after working with them on a computer. VERY frustrating. It's damn near unsuable. Another frustration - editing midi patterns that then over-write the setup for other patterns, becuase the fx and otyher general settings get blanked. And another frustration - time outs on midi transfer. I can't get the transfer to work properly at all - I have to re-transfer nearly every file to get it across. I've tried changing the midi delay on the XL-7 from it's minimum to it's maximum with no improvement :<
- While tweaking the knobs and switching to patch view, I found that I was no longer tweaking the track I had left, but the pathc and midi channel I was viewing instead. OK. When I went back to track view, I found I was >still< tweaking the midi channel I had just left, even though the track had nothing to do with it. Even switching to another track didn't change this - I was stuck. I had to wait until I had switched to another pattern to get control back. This was live, at a club I want to play again, with the manager and promoters watching with folded arms... They still liked the set though :>
- Has anyone else here hit the on/off switch during a live set? I hit it every fucking night I play out. I think I'm going to have to make some make shift cover for it, unless it can be disabled. The record is the same, but I could live with that, if it was actually good for something on stage :<
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Sounds like a product! Can't wait till you make em!

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>Hey, do PDAs do USB?
>>>>
>
>Why as a matter of fact they do! Not to mention the Loader is a Java app, put
>Java on the PDA and you should be good to go...
>

Neat! Now imagine this:

They build preset editing stuff into eLoader and maybe even an enhanced
status display

and

Somebody rigs a stand to hold a PDA in a vertical position, a couple inches
above the back of the unit ...
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Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-08 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

- Has anyone else manage to patterns that play back in the xl-7 without 
the bar/beat counter changing? 

>>>Yep, never aproblem with that. <<<

Another frustration - editing midi patterns that then over-write the setup 
for other patterns, becuase the fx and otyher general settings get 
blanked. 

>>I hear you.  After editing a pattern in Cubase, I'll reload it to a new 
Pattern loacation in the XL-7 and it'll sound different for some reason. 
Took me awhile to figure out the effects settings weren't getting copied 
too.  I just play the pattern I originally had to load up those effects 
settings, then scroll to the new one and WITHOUT HITTING PLAY press save 
to save the pattern.  Seems to work fine so far. <<<

And another frustration - time outs on midi transfer. I can't get the 
transfer to work properly at all - I have to re-transfer nearly every file 
to get it across. I've tried changing the midi delay on the XL-7 from it's 
minimum to it's maximum with no improvement :<

>>>What interface are you using. <<<
 
- While tweaking the knobs and switching to patch view, I found that I was 
no longer tweaking the track I had left, but the pathc and midi channel I 
was viewing instead. OK. When I went back to track view, I found I was 
>still< tweaking the midi channel I had just left, even though the track 
had nothing to do with it. 

>>>This is in the FAQ, the whole MIDI track versus channel thing is pretty 
confusing a lot of the times.  Aaron and the crew at EMu are aware of this 
too, I'm sure they've got something in the works. <<<
 
- Has anyone else here hit the on/off switch during a live set?

>>>Yeah, I did that once, pretty funny when all of a sudden I see the 
countdown telling me I've got 1 second left, doh!  <<

rEalm

Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-08 by Jonathan El-Bizri




>- Has anyone else manage to patterns that play back in the xl-7 without the bar/beat counter changing?
>
>>>>Yep, never aproblem with that. <<<
>
Try changing the length of the midi pattern in your sequencer.

>Another frustration - editing midi patterns that then over-write the setup for other patterns, becuase the fx and otyher general settings ?
>get blanked.
>
>>>I hear you. After editing a pattern in Cubase, I'll reload it to a new Pattern loacation in the XL-7 and it'll sound different for some >reason. Took me awhile to figure out the effects settings weren't getting copied too. I just play the pattern I originally had to load up >those effects settings, then scroll to the new one and WITHOUT HITTING PLAY press save to save the pattern. Seems to work fine >so far. <<<
Actually, I was talking about >other< patterns - not the one being loaded/saved, but ones in the same sequence set. Like they share a common set up that is being erased. I'll try the 'not hitting play' trick - thanks!

>And another frustration - time outs on midi transfer. I can't get the transfer to work properly at all - I have to re-transfer nearly every >file to get it across. I've tried changing the midi delay on the XL-7 from it's minimum to it's maximum with no improvement :<
>
>>>>>What interface are you using. <<<
Emagic Unitor mkII with serial connection.

>- While tweaking the knobs and switching to patch view, I found that I was no longer tweaking the track I had left, but the pathc and >midi channel I was viewing instead. OK. When I went back to track view, I found I was >still< tweaking the midi channel I had just >left, even though the track had nothing to do with it.
>
>>>>This is in the FAQ, the whole MIDI track versus channel thing is pretty confusing a lot of the times. Aaron and the crew at EMu >are aware of this too, I'm sure they've got something in the works. <<<
I don't think so - it was more of a bug. I just read the FAQ and it's unrelated to what I was experiencing.
- The tracks were all pointing to one midi channel each.
- I had switched into patch mode to see what was on the other channels, since I had managed to drop my notes on the floor, and couldn't pick them up right away.
- The knobs now controlled the patch I was looking at ( I was in the middle of filter sweeping the drum kit, and found myself sweeping the lead synth instead) Ok. my mistake.
- I switch back out of patch veiw, and the knobs >still< control the lead synth.
- I switch tracks. No change, still the lead synth.
- I switch patterns, and get control back
- I look up at the crowd and pretend that, "yes, I meant to sound like crap for a while"

>- Has anyone else here hit the on/off switch during a live set?
>
>>>>Yeah, I did that once, pretty funny when all of a sudden I see the countdown telling me I've got 1 second left, doh! <<
Unfortunately, I'm obviously a little more tense than you on stage :>
Since the XL-7 isn't the only thing I'm paying attention to, the opportunity to turn the fucker off, and discover it six seconds later is an accident waiting to happen. I also hit record frequently, but that isn't nearly as scary.
bIz

Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-08 by Scott Ruda

on 3/8/02 4:55 AM, erik_magrini@... at erik_magrini@... wrote:





- Has anyone else manage to patterns that play back in the xl-7 without the
bar/beat counter changing?

>>>Yep, never aproblem with that. <<<

Another frustration - editing midi patterns that then over-write the setup
for other patterns, becuase the fx and otyher general settings get blanked.

>>I hear you.  After editing a pattern in Cubase, I'll reload it to a new
Pattern loacation in the XL-7 and it'll sound different for some reason.
Took me awhile to figure out the effects settings weren't getting copied
too.  I just play the pattern I originally had to load up those effects
settings, then scroll to the new one and WITHOUT HITTING PLAY press save to
save the pattern.  Seems to work fine so far. <<<

And another frustration - time outs on midi transfer. I can't get the
transfer to work properly at all - I have to re-transfer nearly every file
to get it across. I've tried changing the midi delay on the XL-7 from it's
minimum to it's maximum with no improvement :<

>>>What interface are you using. <<<
 
- While tweaking the knobs and switching to patch view, I found that I was
no longer tweaking the track I had left, but the pathc and midi channel I
was viewing instead. OK. When I went back to track view, I found I was
>still< tweaking the midi channel I had just left, even though the track had
nothing to do with it.

>>>This is in the FAQ, the whole MIDI track versus channel thing is pretty
confusing a lot of the times.  Aaron and the crew at EMu are aware of this
too, I'm sure they've got something in the works. <<<
 
- Has anyone else here hit the on/off switch during a live set?

>>>Yeah, I did that once, pretty funny when all of a sudden I see the countdown
telling me I've got 1 second left, doh!  <<

rEalm 





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Re: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-09 by Jonathan El-Bizri

> on 3/7/02 4:46 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri at sserendipity@... wrote
on
> the XL-7 mailing list:
>
>
> > I can't wait for the next version of e-loader either. Maybe the midi
won't
> > arrive garbled beyong repair.
>
> Can you explain this comment? I have not heard any reports before of 'MIDI
> being garbled beyond repair'. E-Loader 1.1 is in the final testing stage
now
> and there have been no changes made to it in this regard.
>
> What OS?

Win2k

> What JVM?

I'm afraid I have no idea. The one that comes with either win2k or is
installed by the loaded I would assume.

> What MIDI Interface?

Emagic Unitor Mk II

> What are the symptoms?

Scott, I'm sorry I haven't gotten examples to you yet. I've sent a note to
myself to get all the ones I have made so far on to cd so I can bring them
in here to my office and email them to you. I'll do my best to make them as
complete as possible.

In brief:
- Midi never seems to stay on the track it is assigned to.
- On importing the midi tracks, the length of some tracks becomes the
maximum the sequencer can accomodate (ie in logic the track reaches to the
end of the song)
- Changing the length of a track in logic causes the pattern not to play
back properly when uploaded
- Often tracks will be composed of several sets of midi notes in the
sequencer, rather than one.

Naturally, the xl-7 is expecting incoming midi files to be of a specific
format - I'm sure that if I knew more of what the unit was expecting to see,
I would be able to give it that, but you guys have to tell us what that is!!
Furthermore, the anomalies above, and other ones I have experienced aren't
always reproduceable, as far as I can tell - one midi file will behave one
way, while another will behave another.

I'm sure that the sequencer and how it parses out standard midi files is
involved heavily in causing these problems, but unless you can let me know
what to expect, and how to get around the issues, I'm going to be stuck.
I've tried using Logic, Sonar, and Cakewalk 3.0, hoping that sequencer
related garbling was the problem.

RE: [xl7] Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-09 by Andre Lewis

When you are saving out the midi file are you saving as Midi type 0 or Midi type
1?  That will change the way the tracks are translated in the XL7.  If you save
as one, have you tried the other?  The type makes a difference in how the tracks
are recognized going in.  Other people have had problem with zero length notes,
often used to silence a track when starting.

Just a guess,
Andre

Re: Another OS notion to relay to the database ...

2002-03-09 by mikexl7

I may be missunderstanding what you guys are dealing with here but 
why dont you just use the Multi setups?



> Another frustration - editing midi patterns that then over-write 
the setup 
> for other patterns, becuase the fx and otyher general settings get 
> blanked. 
> 
> >>I hear you.  After editing a pattern in Cubase, I'll reload it to 
a new 
> Pattern loacation in the XL-7 and it'll sound different for some 
reason. 
> Took me awhile to figure out the effects settings weren't getting 
copied 
> too.  I just play the pattern I originally had to load up those 
effects 
> settings, then scroll to the new one and WITHOUT HITTING PLAY press 
save 
> to save the pattern.  Seems to work fine so far. <<<
>