Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

That's weird that you guys are still getting timing errors.  I have some 
pretty intense patterns and they always change fine, never seen any 
glitches.  If you have a lot of Controller info, be sure to use the Thin 
events function, that might help!  Also, maybe erase any aftertouch 
(channel/global) too?

rEalm



I just got an XL-7, updated the OS to 1.18, and am experiencing the 
MIDI sync/pattern change glitches referred to in other messages.

There is a known bug switching to the "edit" pattern (i.e. the one with
the * ).  This is fixed and will be in the upcoming release.

-Aaron

erik_magrini@... wrote:

>
> That's weird that you guys are still getting timing errors.  I have
> some pretty intense patterns and they always change fine, never seen
> any glitches.  If you have a lot of Controller info, be sure to use
> the Thin events function, that might help!  Also, maybe erase any
> aftertouch (channel/global) too?
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
> I just got an XL-7, updated the OS to 1.18, and am experiencing the
> MIDI sync/pattern change glitches referred to in other messages.

After spending more time with the XL-7 over the
weekend, I have the following results:

1) The box cannot accurately sync to external MIDI
clock. It reports the wrong tempo coming from the
external device (either an Electribe or RM1X in my
case) and won't start or stay in sync. Gets way out
when I change patterns while "locked" to ext. MIDI
sync.

2) The box is much happier when acting as the MIDI
clock master. Outgoing clock signals drive the 'Tribes
and RM1X flawlessly, although changing patterns on the
XL-& while playing can still result in slight audio
hiccup under certain circumstances.  Not terrible
though. Also, the output timing seemed better for some
reason when I switched the MIDI clock out to MIDI port
B.

I'm just starting to create my own patterns and
sounds. All the above occurred with the factory
patterns/sounds.

This is going to present a problem when I hook it up
to my Yamaha AW2816 disk recorder and want to use the
MIDI clock out from the recorder to sync the XL-7.
Will try that tonight and hope for the best.

Any assistance or insight would be appreciated, as I
really love the overall quality and features of the
XL-7 and would hate to return it at this point.

Forneau


--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> That's weird that you guys are still getting timing
> errors.  I have some 
> pretty intense patterns and they always change fine,
> never seen any 
> glitches.  If you have a lot of Controller info, be
> sure to use the Thin 
> events function, that might help!  Also, maybe erase
> any aftertouch 
> (channel/global) too?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> I just got an XL-7, updated the OS to 1.18, and am
> experiencing the 
> MIDI sync/pattern change glitches referred to in
> other messages.
> 
> 
> 


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> That's weird that you guys are still getting timing errors.  I have 
some 
> pretty intense patterns and they always change fine, never 
seen any 
> glitches.

Well, with the latest OS 1.18 installed i still have audible sync- 
dropouts in external gear, even with an empty pattern. 

Also i have a lot problems with the sequencer, let me tell you one 
more:
With all the tracks (which contains any note or event information) 
the sequencer sends a brunch of controller messages, even if i 
assign the track to external midi channel. I don't need them, nay 
they fuck up all the settings in my external gear, so it's very 
irritating. So, i place volume, pan and programchange events in 
each track's start, but there are a few more of them which sets 
the bus assignments in the EIV for example. Is it really that hard 
to insert a swich in the OS for filtering out all these messages 
from the midi outputs?! 
Any ideas?

The sync problem also dramatic for me, but i'm sure that it also 
can be fixed within the software....


virgács

Hi 

I Use My Mp7 as a master clock for The rest of my Gear!
I had to do some workarounds to get to the desired result but it was 
worth all the work,..
OUt-A: Electribe-R -> Sr16 -> Sp303
OutB: Ravolution309 

I posted a picture of my home studio so u could get the Idea.

 !

--- In xl7@y..., Roger Powell <forneau@y...> wrote:

> After spending more time with the XL-7 over the
> weekend, I have the following results:
> 
> 1) The box cannot accurately sync to external MIDI
> clock. It reports the wrong tempo coming from the
> external device (either an Electribe or RM1X in my
> case) and won't start or stay in sync. Gets way out
> when I change patterns while "locked" to ext. MIDI
> sync.
> 
> 2) The box is much happier when acting as the MIDI
> clock master. Outgoing clock signals drive the 'Tribes
> and RM1X flawlessly, although changing patterns on the
> XL-& while playing can still result in slight audio
> hiccup under certain circumstances.  Not terrible
> though. Also, the output timing seemed better for some
> reason when I switched the MIDI clock out to MIDI port
> B.
> 
> I'm just starting to create my own patterns and
> sounds. All the above occurred with the factory
> patterns/sounds.
> 
> This is going to present a problem when I hook it up
> to my Yamaha AW2816 disk recorder and want to use the
> MIDI clock out from the recorder to sync the XL-7.
> Will try that tonight and hope for the best.
> 
> Any assistance or insight would be appreciated, as I
> really love the overall quality and features of the
> XL-7 and would hate to return it at this point.
> 
> Forneau
> 
> 
> --- erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > That's weird that you guys are still getting timing
> > errors.  I have some 
> > pretty intense patterns and they always change fine,
> > never seen any 
> > glitches.  If you have a lot of Controller info, be
> > sure to use the Thin 
> > events function, that might help!  Also, maybe erase
> > any aftertouch 
> > (channel/global) too?
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I just got an XL-7, updated the OS to 1.18, and am
> > experiencing the 
> > MIDI sync/pattern change glitches referred to in
> > other messages.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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You should look back through the archives on this as it's been explained how
to "clean up" your old external tracks...  New external tracks (i.e. if you
don't save the track internal or both with data on it) don't transmit this
data.

-Aaron


virgacs wrote:

> With all the tracks (which contains any note or event information)
> the sequencer sends a brunch of controller messages, even if i
> assign the track to external midi channel.

Actually the electribe clock is running slower.  If the Electribe says it is
running at 120, it's really running @ 119.79.  It's a total dud when it comes to
midi clock.  Roland products have accurate clocks, the computer is generally
accurate, the Ravelution 309 is slow,  the FutureRetro 777 clock is slightly
slow, and lord knows there are tons of different clocks going on.  If you sample
them in to something and check/calculate the tempo, you'll see.  That's
generally why you retrigger long samples every measure rather than letting them
loop.  As far as clocks are concerned, it looks like the XL7's clock doesn't
support sub tempo's and can't sync to a clock that's actually not spot on.  I
imagine this is a hot topic for getting fixed in the next OS, it's in the
wishlist:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/database?method=reportRows&tbl=2

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Powell [mailto:forneau@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:02 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Timing issues


After spending more time with the XL-7 over the
weekend, I have the following results:

1) The box cannot accurately sync to external MIDI
clock. It reports the wrong tempo coming from the
external device (either an Electribe or RM1X in my
case) and won't start or stay in sync. Gets way out
when I change patterns while "locked" to ext. MIDI
sync.

2) The box is much happier when acting as the MIDI
clock master. Outgoing clock signals drive the 'Tribes
and RM1X flawlessly, although changing patterns on the
XL-& while playing can still result in slight audio
hiccup under certain circumstances.  Not terrible
though. Also, the output timing seemed better for some
reason when I switched the MIDI clock out to MIDI port
B.

I'm just starting to create my own patterns and
sounds. All the above occurred with the factory
patterns/sounds.

This is going to present a problem when I hook it up
to my Yamaha AW2816 disk recorder and want to use the
MIDI clock out from the recorder to sync the XL-7.
Will try that tonight and hope for the best.

Any assistance or insight would be appreciated, as I
really love the overall quality and features of the
XL-7 and would hate to return it at this point.

Forneau


--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> That's weird that you guys are still getting timing
> errors.  I have some
> pretty intense patterns and they always change fine,
> never seen any
> glitches.  If you have a lot of Controller info, be
> sure to use the Thin
> events function, that might help!  Also, maybe erase
> any aftertouch
> (channel/global) too?
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
> I just got an XL-7, updated the OS to 1.18, and am
> experiencing the
> MIDI sync/pattern change glitches referred to in
> other messages.
>
>
>


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>>>>>>>>>>
the bus assignments in the EIV for example. Is it really that hard
to insert a swich in the OS for filtering out all these messages
from the midi outputs?!
Any ideas?
<<<<<<<<<<<<
You should add this to the wishlist on Yahoo Groups:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/database?method=reportRows&tbl=2

It's a good idea.  There is also a good chance that some of the things can be
fixed in your setup, by turning off receive sysex and program changes on the
gear that's getting affected.

Good luck,
Andre

1) The box cannot accurately sync to external MIDI clock. It reports the 
wrong tempo coming from the
external device (either an Electribe or RM1X in my case) and won't start 
or stay in sync. Gets way out
when I change patterns while "locked" to ext. MIDI sync.

>>>Ditto.  I thought it was my Red Sound Micro Sync causing the problems, 
but extensive trial and error with other gear acting as the master 
(Cubase, K2600XS, ER-1, etc) confirm that it's the XL-7 that has trouble 
syncing up and staying that way.  I still haven't had any problems 
switching patterns though.  Unfortunately this makes the box less than 
idealwhen used a slave live, which is mainly why I got it.  It'll be a 
studio only tool for awhile until this gets sorted. :( <<<<

rEalm