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prodatum v0.39

2009-09-08 by Jane

greetings,

i have just uploaded v0.39. it supports config file selection from the  
command line which is useful for people with multiple modules as you  
can now have one config for each device, completely with MIDI setup,  
color scheme and all those preferences; see the hints page for  
examples on how to use that new switch. this version also tries to  
hide stuff that i assumed to be there but is not (eg some ROMs don't  
come with arpeggios or riffs and we don't want them to show up in the  
rom selectors/browsers). please let me know of any problems you might  
encounter, my ROMs all have riffs and arpeggios. please also let me  
know about anything that still looks odd (like lots of 'ff' or '(not  
installed)' or similar entries in the browsers.


changelog for v0.39:

* further cleanups (removed dump test routines, no longer needed, yay)
* new cli option '-c' allows to load a different config file (useful  
for using prodatum with multiple devices)
* stop riff loading when we receive an 'ff' riff name
* some ROMs don't have arpeggios; we don't want those to show up in  
the ROM selectors (needs testing, please report problems)
* "force controls to selected channels" enabled by default
* "Confirm Exit" defaults to off
* changed default color scheme
* Mac version compiled on Snow Leopard (v0.38 was SL compatible  
already, Tiger/Leopard and PPC platforms still supported)


cheers,
Jan

RE: [xl7] prodatum v0.39

2009-09-09 by Beowolf

Jane,

 

I recently had the chance to catch up on your Prodatum editor, which I was
tracking distantly with the XL7 group. Your concept of having it
multiplatform and the reasons behind is definitely filling a need. 

 

The program is nicely laid out, and immediately picked up on my Proteus 2500
with all 4 ROMS identified. Compared to SoundDiver which took forever to
load and bogged down or timed out with more than one ROM, it was a pleasant
surprise. I went downstairs thinking it would be similar load time and was
pleased to come back and see the quick load of all ROMS, programs, riff etc.
I am exploring the other windows and am very impressed. 

 

I thought I had read in your various postings that mouse wheel control was
in place for some of the parameters. For me rotary dial control for cutoff
etc. would be enhanced with the addition of mouse wheel control. I tested
this briefly but did not see that control present. I never have cared for
turning the rotary dial with the mouse. I don't believe it is a clean motion
for that control. The incremental movement of the mouse wheel would be
finer.

 

One quick question, did I miss a Prodatum functionality that identifies the
MIDI sequences stored on a Proteus workstation like the 2500?

 

Thanks for your hard work on such a great program for the Proteus.

 

By the way, what language are you programming Prodatum in?

 

Bruce

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From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jane
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:06 PM
To: prodatum-users list
Cc: xl7; p2k
Subject: [xl7] prodatum v0.39

greetings,

i have just uploaded v0.39. it supports config file selection from the 
command line which is useful for people with multiple modules as you 
can now have one config for each device, completely with MIDI setup, 
color scheme and all those preferences; see the hints page for 
examples on how to use that new switch. this version also tries to 
hide stuff that i assumed to be there but is not (eg some ROMs don't 
come with arpeggios or riffs and we don't want them to show up in the 
rom selectors/browsers). please let me know of any problems you might 
encounter, my ROMs all have riffs and arpeggios. please also let me 
know about anything that still looks odd (like lots of 'ff' or '(not 
installed)' or similar entries in the browsers.

changelog for v0.39:

* further cleanups (removed dump test routines, no longer needed, yay)
* new cli option '-c' allows to load a different config file (useful 
for using prodatum with multiple devices)
* stop riff loading when we receive an 'ff' riff name
* some ROMs don't have arpeggios; we don't want those to show up in 
the ROM selectors (needs testing, please report problems)
* "force controls to selected channels" enabled by default
* "Confirm Exit" defaults to off
* changed default color scheme
* Mac version compiled on Snow Leopard (v0.38 was SL compatible 
already, Tiger/Leopard and PPC platforms still supported)

cheers,
Jan

Re: [xl7] prodatum v0.39

2009-09-09 by Jane

hi bruce,

On Sep 9, 2009, at 05:07, Beowolf wrote:

>
> Jane,
>
>
>
> I recently had the chance to catch up on your Prodatum editor, which  
> I was tracking distantly with the XL7 group. Your concept of having  
> it multiplatform and the reasons behind is definitely filling a need.
>
>
>
> The program is nicely laid out, and immediately picked up on my  
> Proteus 2500 with all 4 ROMS identified. Compared to SoundDiver  
> which took forever to load and bogged down or timed out with more  
> than one ROM, it was a pleasant surprise. I went downstairs thinking  
> it would be similar load time and was pleased to come back and see  
> the quick load of all ROMS, programs, riff etc. I am exploring the  
> other windows and am very impressed.
>
>
>
> I thought I had read in your various postings that mouse wheel  
> control was in place for some of the parameters. For me rotary dial  
> control for cutoff etc. would be enhanced with the addition of mouse  
> wheel control. I tested this briefly but did not see that control  
> present. I never have cared for turning the rotary dial with the  
> mouse. I don’t believe it is a clean motion for that control. The  
> incremental movement of the mouse wheel would be finer.

the mousewheel can control any slider, choice or knob. just hover the  
control and wheel. make sure the window you try this in has the focus.

>
>
>
> One quick question, did I miss a Prodatum functionality that  
> identifies the MIDI sequences stored on a Proteus workstation like  
> the 2500?

do you mean arpeggio patterns? you can edit those (see the arpeggiator  
sections).
you cannot edit the sequencer patterns of command stations. does the  
p2.5k have a similar sequencer?

>
>
>
> Thanks for your hard work on such a great program for the Proteus.
>
>
>
> By the way, what language are you programming Prodatum in?
>

C++ and C
Jan

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>
>
> Bruce

Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-09 by steve_the_composer

Glad to see you are continuing to work on Prodatum, Jan. I will have to check out the new version. 

Recently I got turned onto MIDI over IP (LAN) for the PC. My first test was with Prodatum, and it passed with flying colors. I fired up Prodatum on a remote computer with a usb keyboard (new installation on the 2nd computer). Even with all the sysex communication involved, Prodatum (0.38) successfully communicated via LAN with my XL-1. I was able to use the arp editor as a real-time performance tool remotely with no snags. (I just wish I could have multiple arp windows to play up to 32 arps in realtime!!!)

Kudos to you for Prodatum!!!


--Steve

Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-09 by Jane

hi steve,

On Sep 10, 2009, at 00:18, steve_the_composer wrote:

> Glad to see you are continuing to work on Prodatum, Jan. I will have  
> to check out the new version.
>
> Recently I got turned onto MIDI over IP (LAN) for the PC. My first  
> test was with Prodatum, and it passed with flying colors. I fired up  
> Prodatum on a remote computer with a usb keyboard (new installation  
> on the 2nd computer). Even with all the sysex communication  
> involved, Prodatum (0.38) successfully communicated via LAN with my  
> XL-1. I was able to use the arp editor as a real-time performance  
> tool remotely with no snags. (I just wish I could have multiple arp  
> windows to play up to 32 arps in realtime!!!)

hehe, what kind of (huge) display do you use? anyway, theoretically  
its possible to have multiple editors for "parallel" arp editing. of  
course i cant promise to add that functionality but i wouldnt say its  
a bad idea either...its probably a bit too exotic to get on my high  
priority list though.

>
> Kudos to you for Prodatum!!!
>
> --Steve

cheers,
Jan

Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-13 by mcachaito

Anyone else here still running a PPC Mac?
I can't open v0.39 on my 10.4 PowerMac - although v.37 and v.38 work quite well.

I LOVE this app!
It really opens up the the full potential of these Emu machines! 

/jt



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Jane <rdxesy@...> wrote:

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>
> greetings,
> 
> i have just uploaded v0.39. it supports config file selection from the  
> command line which is useful for people with multiple modules as you  
> can now have one config for each device, completely with MIDI setup,  
> color scheme and all those preferences; see the hints page for  
> examples on how to use that new switch. this version also tries to  
> hide stuff that i assumed to be there but is not (eg some ROMs don't  
> come with arpeggios or riffs and we don't want them to show up in the  
> rom selectors/browsers). please let me know of any problems you might  
> encounter, my ROMs all have riffs and arpeggios. please also let me  
> know about anything that still looks odd (like lots of 'ff' or '(not  
> installed)' or similar entries in the browsers.
> 
> 
> changelog for v0.39:
> 
> * further cleanups (removed dump test routines, no longer needed, yay)
> * new cli option '-c' allows to load a different config file (useful  
> for using prodatum with multiple devices)
> * stop riff loading when we receive an 'ff' riff name
> * some ROMs don't have arpeggios; we don't want those to show up in  
> the ROM selectors (needs testing, please report problems)
> * "force controls to selected channels" enabled by default
> * "Confirm Exit" defaults to off
> * changed default color scheme
> * Mac version compiled on Snow Leopard (v0.38 was SL compatible  
> already, Tiger/Leopard and PPC platforms still supported)
> 
> 
> cheers,
> Jan
>

Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-13 by Jane

hi jt,

On Sep 13, 2009, at 02:09, mcachaito wrote:

>
> Anyone else here still running a PPC Mac?
> I can't open v0.39 on my 10.4 PowerMac - although v.37 and v.38 work  
> quite well.
>
> I LOVE this app!
> It really opens up the the full potential of these Emu machines!
>
> /jt
>

looks like i have borked the ppc part for the v0.39 build...
can you try this (new) build please:
http://prodatum.sf.net/tmp/prodatum_mac_universal.zip

and let me now if it works? :)
cheers,
Jan

Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-13 by mcachaito

Nice! Not only response within 24 hours (on the weekend yet) - but a link with the solution!

That is to say, Yes this appears to work quite well...

Thank you for a fine product, and excellent support!
How much again, are we paying for this sofwares? ;^)
 /jt

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Jane <rdxesy@...> wrote:

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>
> hi jt,
> 
> looks like i have borked the ppc part for the v0.39 build...
> can you try this (new) build please:
> http://prodatum.sf.net/tmp/prodatum_mac_universal.zip
> 
> and let me now if it works? :)
> cheers,
> Jan
>

> 
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 02:09, mcachaito wrote:
> 
> >
> > Anyone else here still running a PPC Mac?
> > I can't open v0.39 on my 10.4 PowerMac - although v.37 and v.38 work  
> > quite well.
> >
> > I LOVE this app!
> > It really opens up the the full potential of these Emu machines!
> >
> > /jt
> >

Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-15 by Jane

On Sep 13, 2009, at 23:40, mcachaito wrote:

> Nice! Not only response within 24 hours (on the weekend yet) - but a  
> link with the solution!
>
> That is to say, Yes this appears to work quite well...
>
> Thank you for a fine product, and excellent support!
> How much again, are we paying for this sofwares? ;^)

the question, for me, of course is: how much would you pay for  
prodatum (if you didn't already purchased it for free)?

unblind

Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-15 by BENTON MIKE

For Jane

Good answer

Thank you for your excellent work !

De : Jane
À : xl7@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 15 Septembre 2009, 16h18mn 47s
Objet : Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

On Sep 13, 2009, at 23:40, mcachaito wrote:

> Nice! Not only response within 24 hours (on the weekend yet) - but a
> link with the solution!
>
> That is to say, Yes this appears to work quite well...
>
> Thank you for a fine product, and excellent support!
> How much again, are we paying for this sofwares? ;^)

the question, for me, of course is: how much would you pay for
prodatum (if you didn't already purchased it for free)?

unblind

Re: Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-15 by D F Tweedie

JanE ...

She ain't Jane, he's Jan E ... and he should fix his name!

Anyway, a serious answer.

Given the comparison to MidiQuest XL ... a bloated, buggy, overambitious and mostly useless piece of software that retails for $399.00 ... here's what I would do.

I'd sell Prodatum for about $49.00 with one system. In this case the already available E-mu 2000 system.

Then I'd sell additional system modules for about $29.00 ... say for different Korg, Roland, etc., systems.

The beauty of learning a single interface and then being able to apply it to different hardware would be better than any dedicated software a synth manufacturer could make.

If you started with some of the older but still popular synths and then moved into the present generation, at the above price structure I think you'd make a very nice living.

DF Tweedie

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--- On Tue, 9/15/09, BENTON MIKE wrote:

From: BENTON MIKE
Subject: Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 10:11 AM

For Jane

Good answer

Thank you for your excellent work !

De : Jane
À : xl7@yahoogroups. com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 15 Septembre 2009, 16h18mn 47s
Objet : Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

On Sep 13, 2009, at 23:40, mcachaito wrote:

> Nice! Not only response within 24 hours (on the weekend yet) - but a
> link with the solution!
>
> That is to say, Yes this appears to work quite well...
>
> Thank you for a fine product, and excellent support!
> How much again, are we paying for this sofwares? ;^)

the question, for me, of course is: how much would you pay for
prodatum (if you didn't already purchased it for free)?

unblind

Re : Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-16 by BENTON MIKE

Excuse me ...

De : D F Tweedie
À : xl7@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 15 Septembre 2009, 21h31mn 22s
Objet : Re: Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

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--- On Tue, 9/15/09, BENTON MIKE wrote:

From: BENTON MIKE
Subject: Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39
To: xl7@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 10:11 AM

For Jane

Good answer

Thank you for your excellent work !

De : Jane
À : xl7@yahoogroups. com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 15 Septembre 2009, 16h18mn 47s
Objet : Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

On Sep 13, 2009, at 23:40, mcachaito wrote:

> Nice! Not only response within 24 hours (on the weekend yet) - but a
> link with the solution!
>
> That is to say, Yes this appears to work quite well...
>
> Thank you for a fine product, and excellent support!
> How much again, are we paying for this sofwares? ;^)

the question, for me, of course is: how much would you pay for
prodatum (if you didn't already purchased it for free)?

unblind

Re: Re : Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

2009-09-16 by D F Tweedie

Hey, it's on him, not you, Mike. He's the one who spells it wrong.

I meant no offense towards either of you..

DF

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--- On Wed, 9/16/09, BENTON MIKE wrote:

From: BENTON MIKE
Subject: Re : Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 3:50 AM

Excuse me ...

De : D F Tweedie
À : xl7@yahoogroups. com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 15 Septembre 2009, 21h31mn 22s
Objet : Re: Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

JanE ...

She ain't Jane, he's Jan E ... and he should fix his name!

Anyway, a serious answer.

Given the comparison to MidiQuest XL ... a bloated, buggy, overambitious and mostly useless piece of software that retails for $399.00 ... here's what I would do.

I'd sell Prodatum for about $49.00 with one system. In this case the already available E-mu 2000 system.

Then I'd sell additional system modules for about $29.00 ... say for different Korg, Roland, etc., systems.

The beauty of learning a single interface and then being able to apply it to different hardware would be better than any dedicated software a synth manufacturer could make.

If you started with some of the older but still popular synths and then moved into the present generation, at the above price structure I think you'd make a very nice living.

DF Tweedie

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, BENTON MIKE wrote:

From: BENTON MIKE
Subject: Re : [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39
To: xl7@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 10:11 AM

For Jane

Good answer

Thank you for your excellent work !

De : Jane
À : xl7@yahoogroups. com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 15 Septembre 2009, 16h18mn 47s
Objet : Re: [xl7] Re: prodatum v0.39

On Sep 13, 2009, at 23:40, mcachaito wrote:

> Nice! Not only response within 24 hours (on the weekend yet) - but a
> link with the solution!
>
> That is to say, Yes this appears to work quite well...
>
> Thank you for a fine product, and excellent support!
> How much again, are we paying for this sofwares? ;^)

the question, for me, of course is: how much would you pay for
prodatum (if you didn't already purchased it for free)?

unblind

Re: [xl7] prodatum v0.39

2009-10-03 by Paul Vickers

Hi there

I've been a lurker on this list for a long while. I just downloaded  
prodatum 0.40 to use with my P2500k. Now here's the problem -- I don't  
know how to get started. I've connected the Midisport 2x2 to my  
Macbook Pro, I've hooked its output to the P25k's MIDI in and the  
P25k's OUT A to the input on the Midisport. I run Prodatum and select  
the MIDI sport as the I/O devices.

So far so good, but then what? I have a lot of empty parameter screens  
on prodatum and pulling up its keyboard screen and pressing piano keys  
doesn't lead to any sound on the P25k.

a) am I just missing something completely obvious here?
b) can I upload the current settings of the P25k into prodatum for  
editing?

Sorry for the naive questions but I am a bit stuck here...

Thanks

paul

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On 8 Sep 2009, at 21:05, Jane wrote:

> greetings,
>
> i have just uploaded v0.39. it supports config file selection from the
> command line which is useful for people with multiple modules as you
> can now have one config for each device, completely with MIDI setup,
> color scheme and all those preferences; see the hints page for
> examples on how to use that new switch. this version also tries to
> hide stuff that i assumed to be there but is not (eg some ROMs don't
> come with arpeggios or riffs and we don't want them to show up in the
> rom selectors/browsers). please let me know of any problems you might
> encounter, my ROMs all have riffs and arpeggios. please also let me
> know about anything that still looks odd (like lots of 'ff' or '(not
> installed)' or similar entries in the browsers.
>
> changelog for v0.39:
>
> * further cleanups (removed dump test routines, no longer needed, yay)
> * new cli option '-c' allows to load a different config file (useful
> for using prodatum with multiple devices)
> * stop riff loading when we receive an 'ff' riff name
> * some ROMs don't have arpeggios; we don't want those to show up in
> the ROM selectors (needs testing, please report problems)
> * "force controls to selected channels" enabled by default
> * "Confirm Exit" defaults to off
> * changed default color scheme
> * Mac version compiled on Snow Leopard (v0.38 was SL compatible
> already, Tiger/Leopard and PPC platforms still supported)
>
> cheers,
> Jan
>
>
>

Re: [xl7] prodatum v0.39

2009-10-04 by Jane

hi paul,

On Oct 3, 2009, at 14:35, Paul Vickers wrote:

> Hi there
>
> I've been a lurker on this list for a long while. I just downloaded
> prodatum 0.40 to use with my P2500k. Now here's the problem -- I don't
> know how to get started. I've connected the Midisport 2x2 to my
> Macbook Pro, I've hooked its output to the P25k's MIDI in and the
> P25k's OUT A to the input on the Midisport. I run Prodatum and select
> the MIDI sport as the I/O devices.
>
> So far so good, but then what?

Press the "Open" button in that dialog. :)

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> I have a lot of empty parameter screens
> on prodatum and pulling up its keyboard screen and pressing piano keys
> doesn't lead to any sound on the P25k.
>
> a) am I just missing something completely obvious here?
> b) can I upload the current settings of the P25k into prodatum for
> editing?
>
> Sorry for the naive questions but I am a bit stuck here...
>
> Thanks
>
> paul
>
>
> On 8 Sep 2009, at 21:05, Jane wrote:
>
>> greetings,
>>
>> i have just uploaded v0.39. it supports config file selection from  
>> the
>> command line which is useful for people with multiple modules as you
>> can now have one config for each device, completely with MIDI setup,
>> color scheme and all those preferences; see the hints page for
>> examples on how to use that new switch. this version also tries to
>> hide stuff that i assumed to be there but is not (eg some ROMs don't
>> come with arpeggios or riffs and we don't want them to show up in the
>> rom selectors/browsers). please let me know of any problems you might
>> encounter, my ROMs all have riffs and arpeggios. please also let me
>> know about anything that still looks odd (like lots of 'ff' or '(not
>> installed)' or similar entries in the browsers.
>>
>> changelog for v0.39:
>>
>> * further cleanups (removed dump test routines, no longer needed,  
>> yay)
>> * new cli option '-c' allows to load a different config file (useful
>> for using prodatum with multiple devices)
>> * stop riff loading when we receive an 'ff' riff name
>> * some ROMs don't have arpeggios; we don't want those to show up in
>> the ROM selectors (needs testing, please report problems)
>> * "force controls to selected channels" enabled by default
>> * "Confirm Exit" defaults to off
>> * changed default color scheme
>> * Mac version compiled on Snow Leopard (v0.38 was SL compatible
>> already, Tiger/Leopard and PPC platforms still supported)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [xl7] prodatum v0.39

2009-10-04 by Paul Vickers

d'oh!

*** embarrassed face ***

I had accidentally plugged the midi cable into OUT-B on the MidiSport  
thinking it was OUT-A, hence the Open button was always greyed out.

*** wanders off feeling very foolish ***

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On 4 Oct 2009, at 16:09, Jane wrote:

> hi paul,
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 14:35, Paul Vickers wrote:
>
> > Hi there
> >
> > I've been a lurker on this list for a long while. I just downloaded
> > prodatum 0.40 to use with my P2500k. Now here's the problem -- I  
> don't
> > know how to get started. I've connected the Midisport 2x2 to my
> > Macbook Pro, I've hooked its output to the P25k's MIDI in and the
> > P25k's OUT A to the input on the Midisport. I run Prodatum and  
> select
> > the MIDI sport as the I/O devices.
> >
> > So far so good, but then what?
>
> Press the "Open" button in that dialog. :)
>
>