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my first post

2009-01-08 by Jane

hello!

i have an xl-1 and a planet phatt sound-module. i also like linux.  
since there were no patch editors for those available on linux i wrote  
my own. see http://prodatum.sf.net if you are interested (its free,  
windows and mac versions are also available).

prodatum is currently under development and i am about to add submix  
controls. since not all of the devices support multiple outputs, i  
need a way to detect those (for p1k, p2k, p2k keyboards and command  
stations). anyone knows howto do that?

every device has either 32 or 16 midi channels. now, my guess is that  
all devices that have 32 midi channels also have 3 stereo outputs  
(like there are these 2 hardware configurations). anyone knows for  
certain? note: any solution must work for sound modules, keyboards and  
command stations.

also: does every device that has 3 stereo outputs also have a digital  
out? (i would guess so because i believe that there are only 2  
hardware configs, but im not sure).


thank you and lots of jam, ")
jan

Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-08 by Atom Smasher

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Jane wrote:

> i have an xl-1 and a planet phatt sound-module. i also like linux. since 
> there were no patch editors for those available on linux i wrote my own. 
> see http://prodatum.sf.net if you are interested (its free, windows and 
> mac versions are also available).
==============

sweet!!! i'm a freeBSD guy, but i've been thinking of letting a linux box 
talk to my synthesizers. perfect timing!


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Re: my first post

2009-01-09 by steve_the_composer

First of all, I want to welcome Jan to the group. (I met Jan a month 
or two.)

Next, I want to encourage users to test drive the latest Alpha 
version of Prodatum and get Jan your feedback. I have tested it with 
my P2500 on WIndows XP. At my request, Jan was nice enough to add 
a "controller" section, so I could play my E-Mu through Prodatum to 
test presets. Thanks, Jan.

BTW, I love the way the mouse wheel switches the envelope display!!!

--Steve



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Jane <rdxesy@...> wrote:
>
> hello!
> 
> i have an xl-1 and a planet phatt sound-module. i also like linux.  
> since there were no patch editors for those available on linux i 
wrote  
> my own. see http://prodatum.sf.net if you are interested (its 
free,  
> windows and mac versions are also available).
> 
> prodatum is currently under development and i am about to add 
submix  
> controls. since not all of the devices support multiple outputs, i  
> need a way to detect those (for p1k, p2k, p2k keyboards and 
command  
> stations). anyone knows howto do that?
> 
> every device has either 32 or 16 midi channels. now, my guess is 
that  
> all devices that have 32 midi channels also have 3 stereo outputs  
> (like there are these 2 hardware configurations). anyone knows for  
> certain? note: any solution must work for sound modules, keyboards 
and  
> command stations.
> 
> also: does every device that has 3 stereo outputs also have a 
digital  
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> out? (i would guess so because i believe that there are only 2  
> hardware configs, but im not sure).
> 
> 
> thank you and lots of jam, ")
> jan
>

Re: [xl7] Re: my first post

2009-01-10 by Jane

On 09.01.2009, at 12:40, steve_the_composer wrote:

> At my request, Jan was nice enough to add
> a "controller" section, so I could play my E-Mu through Prodatum to
> test presets. Thanks, Jan.

thats right, and if you have something you would like to see in  
prodatum, let me know and i'll see what i can do.

Re: my first post

2009-01-10 by Liquid Saint

Jan I downloaded Protadum. I am very excited to see how this will work
in the future. I have an Mp-7, but as I am running it through a
MidiSport 2x2 on XP SP2, I notice it still has yet to find the Mp-7. I
have a host of other hardware and software (Roland Fantom, Alesis QSR,
Korg Triton, and a Tascam SX-LE - which throws no Hui support but that
is a BSd related matter on Tascam) but I am looking for a command
station solution. E-mu's usb drivers and solutions stopped support at
USB 1.0 and do not work in a USB 2 environment. The ability to grab
presets and control the module simultaneous for backup purposes is great. 

I know you are still working on a correct synch for Command Station
modules, and I applaud your effort. 

Thanks for this wonderful software. If anyone has any recommendations
on getting the Mp-7 or any of the command station modules to synch
correctly it would be a God send.

Thanks,

Kaya - LV 09'

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Jane <rdxesy@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> On 09.01.2009, at 12:40, steve_the_composer wrote:
> 
> > At my request, Jan was nice enough to add
> > a "controller" section, so I could play my E-Mu through Prodatum to
> > test presets. Thanks, Jan.
> 
> thats right, and if you have something you would like to see in  
> prodatum, let me know and i'll see what i can do.
>

Re: [xl7] Re: my first post

2009-01-10 by Jane

On 10.01.2009, at 20:31, Liquid Saint wrote:

>
> Jan I downloaded Protadum. I am very excited to see how this will work
> in the future. I have an Mp-7, but as I am running it through a
> MidiSport 2x2 on XP SP2, I notice it still has yet to find the Mp-7. I
> have a host of other hardware and software (Roland Fantom, Alesis QSR,
> Korg Triton, and a Tascam SX-LE - which throws no Hui support but that
> is a BSd related matter on Tascam) but I am looking for a command
> station solution. E-mu's usb drivers and solutions stopped support at
> USB 1.0 and do not work in a USB 2 environment. The ability to grab
> presets and control the module simultaneous for backup purposes is  
> great.
>
> I know you are still working on a correct synch for Command Station
> modules, and I applaud your effort.
>
> Thanks for this wonderful software. If anyone has any recommendations
> on getting the Mp-7 or any of the command station modules to synch
> correctly it would be a God send.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kaya - LV 09'
>

hey Kaya,
thank you for the "wonderful"! :D
i believe you say that prodatum does not detect the mp-7 after you  
selected the midisport2x2 for in and out in prodatum.

this is what you can try:
set the sysex delay in the master menu of your mp-7 to zero first.  
connect again. if that does not help raise the default message timeout  
in prodatum. to do that launch prodatum from the cmd like this:  
prodatum.exe -t 100 (default is 20ms) and try to connect (let me know  
if that solved it)

if that still does not work:
sorry if that sounds stupid, but make sure your mp-7 is really  
connected bidirectional.

if you have connected other devices to the same midi-device,  
disconnect them, so that only the mp-7 uses that midi-device. maybe  
some devices in between do not forward sysex-messages correctly.

update the OS of your mp-7 to version 2.0 (thats the latest).

if nothing of that helps please send me a log-file. to do this launch  
prodatum from the cmd like this:
prodatum.exe -m 80 2> prodatum.log

good luck,
jN

Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-12 by Aaron Eppolito

I believe all of the devices will take the selection for all channels/subs regardless of hardware, they'll just ignore the extras.  Furthermore, all Proteus-class devices (P2k, P1k, XL-7, MK-6, etc) have the same 4 sets of subs, it's just that only some of them have hardware tied to them.  Otherwise, they still have the same internal bussing architecture.

-Aaron
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From: Jane <rdxesy@...>
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Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:09:36 AM
Subject: [xl7] my first post

hello!

i have an xl-1 and a planet phatt sound-module. i also like linux.  
since there were no patch editors for those available on linux i wrote  
my own. see http://prodatum.sf.net if you are interested (its free,  
windows and mac versions are also available).

prodatum is currently under development and i am about to add submix  
controls. since not all of the devices support multiple outputs, i  
need a way to detect those (for p1k, p2k, p2k keyboards and command  
stations). anyone knows howto do that?

every device has either 32 or 16 midi channels. now, my guess is that  
all devices that have 32 midi channels also have 3 stereo outputs  
(like there are these 2 hardware configurations). anyone knows for  
certain? note: any solution must work for sound modules, keyboards and  
command stations.

also: does every device that has 3 stereo outputs also have a digital  
out? (i would guess so because i believe that there are only 2  
hardware configs, but im not sure).


thank you and lots of jam, ")
jan

Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-12 by Jane

On 12.01.2009, at 02:32, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

> I believe all of the devices will take the selection for all  
> channels/subs regardless of hardware, they'll just ignore the  
> extras. Furthermore, all Proteus-class devices (P2k, P1k, XL-7,  
> MK-6, etc) have the same 4 sets of subs, it's just that only some of  
> them have hardware tied to them. Otherwise, they still have the same  
> internal bussing architecture.
>
> -Aaron

hey Aaron, it is nice to see an (ex?) e-mu engineer here.

it would be nice to know wether a device actually has the outputs or  
not so that my software can disable the controls for setting the  
subout (to avoid confusion). i was wondering about why there is no  
such information about this in any sysex data. my guess is that "e-mu"  
knew that this information is "hidden" in some other parameter (namely  
the number of MIDI-channels) but forgot to let us know. can you  
confirm that every device that has 32 MIDI-channels also has multiple  
stereo outputs and every device with 16 MIDI-channels has only one?

also, can you recommend, or do you know a book about the technology e- 
mu utilizes in their proteus 2000? i mean there are a lot of books  
about synthesizers (moog style). but the proteus 2000 is not exactly a  
synthesizer as its using sampled sound as its base, not oscillators.  
what is this called; "sampling-technology", "sample synthesizer", or  
just "sample-player"?

maybe i should just look into sampler technology?

thank you,
jN

Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-12 by Bob S.

One place for more information on this category synth, search "rompler" on the internet...here is a site:

<<http://www.emulatorarchive.com/Archives/ROMplers/romplers.html>>

<<http://www.dnbwiki.com/index.php/Rompler>>

Bob
El Segundo, CA


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>From: Jane <rdxesy@...>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2009 10:45 AM
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [xl7] my first post
>
>
>On 12.01.2009, at 02:32, Aaron Eppolito wrote:
>
>> I believe all of the devices will take the selection for all  
>> channels/subs regardless of hardware, they'll just ignore the  
>> extras. Furthermore, all Proteus-class devices (P2k, P1k, XL-7,  
>> MK-6, etc) have the same 4 sets of subs, it's just that only some of  
>> them have hardware tied to them. Otherwise, they still have the same  
>> internal bussing architecture.
>>
>> -Aaron
>
>hey Aaron, it is nice to see an (ex?) e-mu engineer here.
>
>it would be nice to know wether a device actually has the outputs or  
>not so that my software can disable the controls for setting the  
>subout (to avoid confusion). i was wondering about why there is no  
>such information about this in any sysex data. my guess is that "e-mu"  
>knew that this information is "hidden" in some other parameter (namely  
>the number of MIDI-channels) but forgot to let us know. can you  
>confirm that every device that has 32 MIDI-channels also has multiple  
>stereo outputs and every device with 16 MIDI-channels has only one?
>
>also, can you recommend, or do you know a book about the technology e- 
>mu utilizes in their proteus 2000? i mean there are a lot of books  
>about synthesizers (moog style). but the proteus 2000 is not exactly a  
>synthesizer as its using sampled sound as its base, not oscillators.  
>what is this called; "sampling-technology", "sample synthesizer", or  
>just "sample-player"?
>
>maybe i should just look into sampler technology?
>
>thank you,
>jN
>

Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-12 by Aaron Eppolito

Yep, ex-E-mu, now Apple.

For your question of how many channels, you could probably just get a master dump and check the number of channels.

For subs, I see where you're coming from, but I think you're misunderstanding how subs/sends work on the E-mu products.  Essentially, there are 4 stereo busses to which each layer can chose to send (at full volume).  Then, each of the busses has a percentage which goes to each effect.  The only difference between the boxes with the extra six jacks is that they can interrupt the signal from the bus that would have gone to the FX.  Parametrically, there is no difference to the synth whether there's jacks there or not.  If you were to remove the ability to set the jack assigns, you'd be removing functionality from even the P1k boxes.

Finally, as for the technology, it's sort of a hybrid approach.  The basis is pretty standard sample-playback, i.e. play some multisamples, envelope them, filter them, and throw an effect or two on them.  Beyond that, though, is E-mu's extensive modulation possibilities and advanced filters.  The patchcord section is probably the most complicated of any ROMpler, allowing you to do all sorts of things that typically you'd only find on an analog modular synth (not surprising since that's where E-mu's roots lie).  Finally, those filters are way beyond what typical sweepable Fc/Q lowpass filters can do -- 12th order filters can do some pretty crazy things.  As for it being a synthesizer?  Absolutely.

-Aaron
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On 12.01.2009, at 02:32, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

> I believe all of the devices will take the selection for all  
> channels/subs regardless of hardware, they'll just ignore the  
> extras. Furthermore, all Proteus-class devices (P2k, P1k, XL-7,  
> MK-6, etc) have the same 4 sets of subs, it's just that only some of  
> them have hardware tied to them. Otherwise, they still have the same  
> internal bussing architecture.
>
> -Aaron

hey Aaron, it is nice to see an (ex?) e-mu engineer here.

it would be nice to know wether a device actually has the outputs or  
not so that my software can disable the controls for setting the  
subout (to avoid confusion). i was wondering about why there is no  
such information about this in any sysex data. my guess is that "e-mu"  
knew that this information is "hidden" in some other parameter (namely  
the number of MIDI-channels) but forgot to let us know. can you  
confirm that every device that has 32 MIDI-channels also has multiple  
stereo outputs and every device with 16 MIDI-channels has only one?

also, can you recommend, or do you know a book about the technology e- 
mu utilizes in their proteus 2000? i mean there are a lot of books  
about synthesizers (moog style). but the proteus 2000 is not exactly a  
synthesizer as its using sampled sound as its base, not oscillators.  
what is this called; "sampling-technology", "sample synthesizer", or  
just "sample-player"?

maybe i should just look into sampler technology?

thank you,
jN


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Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-12 by Jane

On 12.01.2009, at 18:52, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

> For subs, I see where you're coming from, but I think you're  
> misunderstanding how subs/sends work on the E-mu products.  
> Essentially, there are 4 stereo busses to which each layer can chose  
> to send (at full volume). Then, each of the busses has a percentage  
> which goes to each effect. The only difference between the boxes  
> with the extra six jacks is that they can interrupt the signal from  
> the bus that would have gone to the FX. Parametrically, there is no  
> difference to the synth whether there's jacks there or not. If you  
> were to remove the ability to set the jack assigns, you'd be  
> removing functionality from even the P1k boxes.


this is what i understand now: we have 4 stereo busses inside, each  
has a FX-send percentage (or as you said: "there are 4 stereo busses  
to which each layer can chose to send (at full volume). Then, each of  
the busses has a percentage which goes to each effect.")

from a user perspective it means: on a p1k the four stereo busses  
exist but are "only" useful to assign FX at different levels for each  
layer/channel. on a p2k it is the same, however those four busses ALSO  
have an actual physical output.

right?

what i dont understand: when there are 4 stereo busses internally, and  
only 3 stereo outputs on the p2k, then what happens to the signal of  
the fourth stereo bus when it leaves the FX (or bypassed it)?


ty, i like my macbook, :p
jN

Re: [xl7] my first post

2009-01-13 by Jane

oh, nm. i just downloaded the p2k manual and it sais that bus 4 goes  
back to the main outs. anyway, that means prodatum already had an  
output setup in the fx tab all the time without me knowing it. bad  
ass. :>
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On 12.01.2009, at 20:14, Jane wrote:

> what i dont understand: when there are 4 stereo busses internally, and
> only 3 stereo outputs on the p2k, then what happens to the signal of
> the fourth stereo bus when it leaves the FX (or bypassed it)?

Short lived MIDI ports/e-mu repair

2009-02-25 by Andrew

I have (had?) an MK-6 and an XL-7 that both developed problems with their MIDI ports in what I would consider a very short period of time. (less than two weeks with the MK-6) The XL-7 I've have for 5 or 6 months, with a quirky but working MIDI connection... until last night. I don't really care about the MK-6, since I only bought it for the ROM and it happened to be cheaper to just buy the whole unit... but I just HAVE to have my XL-7 running tip-top... it's the main control for everything. ; For the last several months the green light signaling MIDI OUT has been continuously blinking so fast that it almost looks to be solid... but the unit still sends MIDI and CC data no problem... last night, I'm working on something, and all of a sudden nothing... no red light light, no MIDI being received by the XL-7. The cables/connections are all secure, and the MIDI controller that sends to the XL-7 is working fine... it's gotta be the ports. Anyway, for you tech guys, is this the kind of repair that I could have someone local do, or do I have to send it off to E-mu? (wherever that is) I need to get this fixed ASAP, I don't care about any warranty, I just need the quickest fix.

I appreciate the help!
Andrew

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Re: [xl7] Short lived MIDI ports/e-mu repair

2009-02-27 by Aaron Eppolito

Seems pretty sketchy that two of your units has failed in a way that I've never heard of any unit failing. Not to say it can't have happened, but seems unlikely. Either that, or you've got the mother of all ground loops or something frying ports!

One quick thing you can do is run a MIDI diagnostics test. If you boot up in diagnostics (something I almost never recommend) by holding both cursor keys and booting the unit, you can run the diagnostics. You'll need to loop a cable from MIDI out to MIDI in so that the unit can check itself. If it succeeds, it's something else.

Did you try reseting the factory multisetup? Whatever you do, DO NOT do a factory restore in the diagnostics - you'll lose all user data, including presets and sequences. The factory multisetup in the regular menus does just as much without trashing your user data (but will reset global settings). The MIDI light being on constantly sounds like you've enabled MIDI clock transmit.

-Aaron

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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:59:47 AM
Subject: [xl7] Short lived MIDI ports/e-mu repair

I have (had?) an MK-6 and an XL-7 that both developed problems with their MIDI ports in what I would consider a very short period of time. (less than two weeks with the MK-6) The XL-7 I've have for 5 or 6 months, with a quirky but working MIDI connection.... until last night. I don't really care about the MK-6, since I only bought it for the ROM and it happened to be cheaper to just buy the whole unit... but I just HAVE to have my XL-7 running tip-top... it's the main control for everything. For the last several months the green light signaling MIDI OUT has been continuously blinking so fast that it almost looks to be solid... but the unit still sends MIDI and CC data no problem... last night, I'm working on something, and all of a sudden nothing... no red light light, no MIDI being received by the XL-7. The cables/connections are all secure, and the MIDI controller that sends to the XL-7 is working fine... it's gotta be the ports. Anyway, for you tech guys, is this the kind of repair that I could have someone local do, or do I have to send it off to E-mu? (wherever that is) I need to get this fixed ASAP, I don't care about any warranty, I just need the quickest fix.

I appreciate the help!
Andrew

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