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Question for Andrew about the efx?

2008-10-03 by Victor Yahoo

Hi, Andrew 
can you give some example of outboard efx processor,
I would like to make my live sound more analogic...
Thank's 

On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:


I have a couple of outboard efx processors that I like to use... so for instance, if I want to route my snares and cymbals to one of my out-board reverb processors through submix 1... I select those tracks (which are on their corresponding midi channels) and route them to send 2. I get the dry audio from those tracks/channels at submix 1, but the dry audio also shows up at the main-output as well. I understand that if I turn the send amout for send 2 past 0, that I should be hearing the wet audio at the mains, and the dry on the sub... but if it is set to 0, then I should only get the dry on the sub, and nothing at the main....but no matter what I do, I can't get it out of the main. And whenever I switch efx modes, (to apply efx to only 1 preset) the efx saved in whatever preset is assigned to the selected channel applies it's efx settings to every preset on every channel. Confusing, huh?

Andrew

> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> From: tttsystems@...
> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:43:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?
> 
> All those words hurt my head...I'm going to have to read this a few times over to see where you are....
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...>
> >Sent: Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM
> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?
> >
> >
> >It's my understanding that the effects on the XL-7 can either be used on only 1 preset, using the effects setting stored in that preset... or set up to run the same effects setting on every midi channel, using the 4 sends to control the amount of effect applied to each send, as well as selecting which output that send is routed to... or bypassed all together. When I bypass the effects, as expected, there are no effects... cool. However when I try to only run effects on one preset, I end up hearing that presets stored effects setting on every channels preset... and whenever I set it up to apply its effects to all presets through the sends, it works pretty much the way I think it should, except that whatever I set to sends 2 and 3 (sub mix 1 and 2) also shows up at the main output, even with those send levels all set to 0. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is, if I set it up to only run its effects on one preset, that the effects only appear on that
 preset, and not on all of them... or if I set it up to apply its effects to everything through the sends, that whatever I route to sends 2 and 3 will only out-put the dry audio at the 2 sub-mixes if I set their send levels to 0. Any ideas?
> >
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RE: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?

2008-10-03 by Andrew

I'm currently running a Lexicon MX300, and a Line 6 POD XT Pro for effects... and a DBX 166XL in front of an Aphex Aural Exciter 204 for dynamics.  The Lexicon is a pretty good multi efx unit, but it leans heavily towards reverb/delay/chorus effects... which is primarily what I use it for.  The Line 6 unit is more for fun than anything, but it does so much cool stuff, and it's layout is very user friendly.  I also like the sound of analog, so the aural exciter is a must.  The 204 has some improved circuitry, and they're the best I've heard, but you can find model 104 on ebay for usually less than 50 bucks... it'll be one of the best pieces of equipment you've ever bought.  Also, a little compression never hurt anybody... running just a little bit will really knock that 'digital edge' off... plus it really makes things a little more forgiving when you're mixing something live.

Andrew

> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> From: dacian_victor@...
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:54 -0700
> Subject: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, Andrew 
> can you give some example of outboard efx processor,
> I would like to make my live sound more analogic...
> Thank's 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a couple of outboard efx processors that I like to use... so for instance, if I want to route my snares and cymbals to one of my out-board reverb processors through submix 1... I select those tracks (which are on their corresponding midi channels) and route them to send 2. I get the dry audio from those tracks/channels at submix 1, but the dry audio also shows up at the main-output as well. I understand that if I turn the send amout for send 2 past 0, that I should be hearing the wet audio at the mains, and the dry on the sub... but if it is set to 0, then I should only get the dry on the sub, and nothing at the main....but no matter what I do, I can't get it out of the main. And whenever I switch efx modes, (to apply efx to only 1 preset) the efx saved in whatever preset is assigned to the selected channel applies it's efx settings to every preset on every channel. Confusing, huh?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > From: tttsystems@earthlink.net
> > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:43:46 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?
> > 
> > All those words hurt my head...I'm going to have to read this a few times over to see where you are....
> > 
> > Bob
> > El Segundo, CA
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...>
> > >Sent: Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM
> > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?
> > >
> > >
> > >It's my understanding that the effects on the XL-7 can either be used on only 1 preset, using the effects setting stored in that preset... or set up to run the same effects setting on every midi channel, using the 4 sends to control the amount of effect applied to each send, as well as selecting which output that send is routed to... or bypassed all together. When I bypass the effects, as expected, there are no effects... cool. However when I try to only run effects on one preset, I end up hearing that presets stored effects setting on every channels preset... and whenever I set it up to apply its effects to all presets through the sends, it works pretty much the way I think it should, except that whatever I set to sends 2 and 3 (sub mix 1 and 2) also shows up at the main output, even with those send levels all set to 0. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is, if I set it up to only run its effects on one preset, that the effects only appear on that
>  preset, and not on all of them... or if I set it up to apply its effects to everything through the sends, that whatever I route to sends 2 and 3 will only out-put the dry audio at the 2 sub-mixes if I set their send levels to 0. Any ideas?
> > >
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> > >
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Re: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?

2008-10-04 by Victor Yahoo

Thank's a lot, Andrew, for the quick and detailed answer..

All those efx are on xl7??? Can you tell more about what efx you use and on which chanel.. how do you mix everything....? What other instruments do you use???  
Also what are the main diference betwen 204 and 104 aphex???

//Victor


On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:


I'm currently running a Lexicon MX300, and a Line 6 POD XT Pro for effects... and a DBX 166XL in front of an Aphex Aural Exciter 204 for dynamics.  The Lexicon is a pretty good multi efx unit, but it leans heavily towards reverb/delay/chorus effects... which is primarily what I use it for.  The Line 6 unit is more for fun than anything, but it does so much cool stuff, and it's layout is very user friendly.  I also like the sound of analog, so the aural exciter is a must.  The 204 has some improved circuitry, and they're the best I've heard, but you can find model 104 on ebay for usually less than 50 bucks... it'll be one of the best pieces of equipment you've ever bought.  Also, a little compression never hurt anybody... running just a little bit will really knock that 'digital edge' off... plus it really makes things a little more forgiving when you're mixing something live.

Andrew

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: dacian_victor@...
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:54 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?



Hi, Andrew 
can you give some example of outboard efx processor,
I would like to make my live sound more analogic...
Thank's 

On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:


I have a couple of outboard efx processors that I like to use... so for instance, if I want to route my snares and cymbals to one of my out-board reverb processors through submix 1... I select those tracks (which are on their corresponding midi channels) and route them to send 2. I get the dry audio from those tracks/channels at submix 1, but the dry audio also shows up at the main-output as well. I understand that if I turn the send amout for send 2 past 0, that I should be hearing the wet audio at the mains, and the dry on the sub... but if it is set to 0, then I should only get the dry on the sub, and nothing at the main....but no matter what I do, I can't get it out of the main. And whenever I switch efx modes, (to apply efx to only 1 preset) the efx saved in whatever preset is assigned to the selected channel applies it's efx settings to every preset on every channel. Confusing, huh?

Andrew

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: tttsystems@...
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:43:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?

All those words hurt my head...I'm going to have to read this a few times over to see where you are....

Bob
El Segundo, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...>
Sent: Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?


It's my understanding that the effects on the XL-7 can either be used on only 1 preset, using the effects setting stored in that preset... or set up to run the same effects setting on every midi channel, using the 4 sends to control the amount of effect applied to each send, as well as selecting which output that send is routed to... or bypassed all together. When I bypass the effects, as expected, there are no effects... cool. However when I try to only run effects on one preset, I end up hearing that presets stored effects setting on every channels preset... and whenever I set it up to apply its effects to all presets through the sends, it works pretty much the way I think it should, except that whatever I set to sends 2 and 3 (sub mix 1 and 2) also shows up at the main output, even with those send levels all set to 0. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is, if I set it up to only run its effects on one preset, that the effects only appear on that
preset, and not on all of them... or if I set it up to apply its effects to everything through the sends, that whatever I route to sends 2 and 3 will only out-put the dry audio at the 2 sub-mixes if I set their send levels to 0. Any ideas?

Andrew

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RE: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?

2008-10-04 by Andrew

None of the efx that I mentioned are on the XL-7, they're actually individual rack units.  The 2 efx processors I run through the 2 auxilary sends on a mackie mixer, so I can use them on any or all channels, and I can adjust how much effect I'm using per channel... and the 2 dynamics processors I run in line after the main output of the mixer, so they're always applied to everything 100%.  Insturmentwise, I'm using the XL-7, and an e-mu Xboard 49 midi controller to control everything (even the effects).  I've added the Mo Phatt ROM to it.  I also use a roland 808 for sampling, and I'm going to be adding another synth module as soon as I figure out exactly what I want, and get the money for it.  The aphex 104 and 204 are the same thing... the 204 is just the latest version.  I've used both, and I think the 204 sounds way better, and it seems to be more powerful, also... but, the 104 is still a great processor, and they've been going pretty cheap on e-bay... so it's the better value right now.  If you're looking for analog sound, either the 104 or 204 will amaze you... hitting the bypass button on it is like night and day.

Andrew

> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> From: dacian_victor@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:58:13 -0700
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank's a lot, Andrew, for the quick and detailed answer..
> 
> All those efx are on xl7??? Can you tell more about what efx you use and on which chanel.. how do you mix everything....? What other instruments do you use???  
> Also what are the main diference betwen 204 and 104 aphex???
> 
> //Victor
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm currently running a Lexicon MX300, and a Line 6 POD XT Pro for effects... and a DBX 166XL in front of an Aphex Aural Exciter 204 for dynamics.  The Lexicon is a pretty good multi efx unit, but it leans heavily towards reverb/delay/chorus effects... which is primarily what I use it for.  The Line 6 unit is more for fun than anything, but it does so much cool stuff, and it's layout is very user friendly.  I also like the sound of analog, so the aural exciter is a must.  The 204 has some improved circuitry, and they're the best I've heard, but you can find model 104 on ebay for usually less than 50 bucks... it'll be one of the best pieces of equipment you've ever bought.  Also, a little compression never hurt anybody... running just a little bit will really knock that 'digital edge' off... plus it really makes things a little more forgiving when you're mixing something live.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> From: dacian_victor@...
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:54 -0700
> Subject: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, Andrew 
> can you give some example of outboard efx processor,
> I would like to make my live sound more analogic...
> Thank's 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a couple of outboard efx processors that I like to use... so for instance, if I want to route my snares and cymbals to one of my out-board reverb processors through submix 1... I select those tracks (which are on their corresponding midi channels) and route them to send 2. I get the dry audio from those tracks/channels at submix 1, but the dry audio also shows up at the main-output as well. I understand that if I turn the send amout for send 2 past 0, that I should be hearing the wet audio at the mains, and the dry on the sub... but if it is set to 0, then I should only get the dry on the sub, and nothing at the main....but no matter what I do, I can't get it out of the main. And whenever I switch efx modes, (to apply efx to only 1 preset) the efx saved in whatever preset is assigned to the selected channel applies it's efx settings to every preset on every channel. Confusing, huh?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> From: tttsystems@...
> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:43:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?
> 
> All those words hurt my head...I'm going to have to read this a few times over to see where you are....
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...>
> Sent: Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?
> 
> 
> It's my understanding that the effects on the XL-7 can either be used on only 1 preset, using the effects setting stored in that preset... or set up to run the same effects setting on every midi channel, using the 4 sends to control the amount of effect applied to each send, as well as selecting which output that send is routed to... or bypassed all together. When I bypass the effects, as expected, there are no effects... cool. However when I try to only run effects on one preset, I end up hearing that presets stored effects setting on every channels preset... and whenever I set it up to apply its effects to all presets through the sends, it works pretty much the way I think it should, except that whatever I set to sends 2 and 3 (sub mix 1 and 2) also shows up at the main output, even with those send levels all set to 0. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is, if I set it up to only run its effects on one preset, that the effects only appear on that
> preset, and not on all of them... or if I set it up to apply its effects to everything through the sends, that whatever I route to sends 2 and 3 will only out-put the dry audio at the 2 sub-mixes if I set their send levels to 0. Any ideas?
> 
> Andrew
> 
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Re: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?

2008-10-05 by Victor Yahoo

Special thank's Andrew,
both your emails where really helpfull.. very very helpfull and clear, iI will start looking for an aphex exciter, ...
I use an xl7 and Alesis micron, and it's my first electronic band, i have some doubt's about how I should play the songs live.. i use normal only one pattern for a song, and turn on/off different chanels.. for drums(5,6 chanels), bass lines, synth lines.. well sometimes I forgot which chanels are for what.. mmm, really confusing,..//:)
  
Victor


On Oct 5, 2008, at 2:55 AM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:


None of the efx that I mentioned are on the XL-7, they're actually individual rack units.  The 2 efx processors I run through the 2 auxilary sends on a mackie mixer, so I can use them on any or all channels, and I can adjust how much effect I'm using per channel... and the 2 dynamics processors I run in line after the main output of the mixer, so they're always applied to everything 100%.  Insturmentwise, I'm using the XL-7, and an e-mu Xboard 49 midi controller to control everything (even the effects).  I've added the Mo Phatt ROM to it.  I also use a roland 808 for sampling, and I'm going to be adding another synth module as soon as I figure out exactly what I want, and get the money for it.  The aphex 104 and 204 are the same thing... the 204 is just the latest version.  I've used both, and I think the 204 sounds way better, and it seems to be more powerful, also... but, the 104 is still a great processor, and they've been going pretty cheap on
 e-bay... so it's the better value right now.  If you're looking for analog sound, either the 104 or 204 will amaze you... hitting the bypass button on it is like night and day.

Andrew

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: dacian_victor@...
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:58:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?



Thank's a lot, Andrew, for the quick and detailed answer..

All those efx are on xl7??? Can you tell more about what efx you use and on which chanel.. how do you mix everything....? What other instruments do you use???  
Also what are the main diference betwen 204 and 104 aphex???

//Victor


On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:


I'm currently running a Lexicon MX300, and a Line 6 POD XT Pro for effects... and a DBX 166XL in front of an Aphex Aural Exciter 204 for dynamics.  The Lexicon is a pretty good multi efx unit, but it leans heavily towards reverb/delay/chorus effects... which is primarily what I use it for.  The Line 6 unit is more for fun than anything, but it does so much cool stuff, and it's layout is very user friendly.  I also like the sound of analog, so the aural exciter is a must.  The 204 has some improved circuitry, and they're the best I've heard, but you can find model 104 on ebay for usually less than 50 bucks... it'll be one of the best pieces of equipment you've ever bought.  Also, a little compression never hurt anybody... running just a little bit will really knock that 'digital edge' off... plus it really makes things a little more forgiving when you're mixing something live.

Andrew

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: dacian_victor@...
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:51:54 -0700
Subject: [xl7] Question for Andrew about the efx?



Hi, Andrew 
can you give some example of outboard efx processor,
I would like to make my live sound more analogic...
Thank's 

On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...> wrote:


I have a couple of outboard efx processors that I like to use... so for instance, if I want to route my snares and cymbals to one of my out-board reverb processors through submix 1... I select those tracks (which are on their corresponding midi channels) and route them to send 2. I get the dry audio from those tracks/channels at submix 1, but the dry audio also shows up at the main-output as well. I understand that if I turn the send amout for send 2 past 0, that I should be hearing the wet audio at the mains, and the dry on the sub... but if it is set to 0, then I should only get the dry on the sub, and nothing at the main....but no matter what I do, I can't get it out of the main. And whenever I switch efx modes, (to apply efx to only 1 preset) the efx saved in whatever preset is assigned to the selected channel applies it's efx settings to every preset on every channel. Confusing, huh?

Andrew

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: tttsystems@...
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:43:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?

All those words hurt my head...I'm going to have to read this a few times over to see where you are....

Bob
El Segundo, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <Alan_mansfield@...m>
Sent: Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] What am I doing wrong with the efx?


It's my understanding that the effects on the XL-7 can either be used on only 1 preset, using the effects setting stored in that preset... or set up to run the same effects setting on every midi channel, using the 4 sends to control the amount of effect applied to each send, as well as selecting which output that send is routed to... or bypassed all together. When I bypass the effects, as expected, there are no effects... cool. However when I try to only run effects on one preset, I end up hearing that presets stored effects setting on every channels preset... and whenever I set it up to apply its effects to all presets through the sends, it works pretty much the way I think it should, except that whatever I set to sends 2 and 3 (sub mix 1 and 2) also shows up at the main output, even with those send levels all set to 0. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is, if I set it up to only run its effects on one preset, that the effects only appear on that
preset, and not on all of them... or if I set it up to apply its effects to everything through the sends, that whatever I route to sends 2 and 3 will only out-put the dry audio at the 2 sub-mixes if I set their send levels to 0. Any ideas?

Andrew

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