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dodgey jog wheel.

dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-09 by keiodi

O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as a sound
module and with presets (except what can be programmed via the knobs)
mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless and I've
switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my studio.  

But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter lower (say
tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise the value may
go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, then suddenly
it jumps to its max value.  

Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  I've also been
thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my Local music
store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out the board
with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of adding the MP's
ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold without ROMs (I've
seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be cheaper, and
using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I figure I can
swap out the board with little problem if I have to.

any experienced with this or other suggestions would be appreciated.

Re: dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-10 by gonzinigonz

You could have a go at changing the encoder, but carefull soldering 
skills are reqired or damage will occur to the PCB. Not good.
Ive got proper desoldering equipment here and even with that 
sometimes parts can be a pain to get off.
That encoder should be easy though.
Try digikey in the states for a replacement. Think ive seen them on 
ebay at an inflated price as well. Other emu gear uses the same style 
encoder.

You could try cleaning it first, it can be a solution for a short 
time, maybe longer.
Get some contact cleaner, something like swish or craig deoxit D5 or 
at a push servisol contact cleaner.
You might get lucky, but if its worn out then its worn out!
I got lucky with mine, its still working after a couple of years.
Look in the photos section under miscellaneous and find the XL7 
encoder picture. It shows you where to squirt the cleaner.
Hope that helps :o)





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@...> wrote:
>
> O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as a sound
> module and with presets (except what can be programmed via the 
knobs)
> mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless and I've
> switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my studio.  
> 
> But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter lower (say
> tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise the value 
may
> go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, then suddenly
> it jumps to its max value.  
> 
> Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
> 
> Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  I've also 
been
> thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my Local music
> store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out the board
> with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of adding the MP's
> ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold without ROMs 
(I've
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be cheaper, and
> using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I figure I can
> swap out the board with little problem if I have to.
> 
> any experienced with this or other suggestions would be appreciated.
>

Re: dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-12 by keiodi

Hey thanks.  I've got some deoxit ready to go.  I'll try that first. 
Since my soldering skillz are non-existent I might have to leave that
up to a professional.  but it sounds like it would be pretty simple. 
So hopefully less than an hour's worth of work.  

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzinigonz@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> You could have a go at changing the encoder, but carefull soldering 
> skills are reqired or damage will occur to the PCB. Not good.
> Ive got proper desoldering equipment here and even with that 
> sometimes parts can be a pain to get off.
> That encoder should be easy though.
> Try digikey in the states for a replacement. Think ive seen them on 
> ebay at an inflated price as well. Other emu gear uses the same style 
> encoder.
> 
> You could try cleaning it first, it can be a solution for a short 
> time, maybe longer.
> Get some contact cleaner, something like swish or craig deoxit D5 or 
> at a push servisol contact cleaner.
> You might get lucky, but if its worn out then its worn out!
> I got lucky with mine, its still working after a couple of years.
> Look in the photos section under miscellaneous and find the XL7 
> encoder picture. It shows you where to squirt the cleaner.
> Hope that helps :o)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> >
> > O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as a sound
> > module and with presets (except what can be programmed via the 
> knobs)
> > mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless and I've
> > switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my studio.  
> > 
> > But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter lower (say
> > tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise the value 
> may
> > go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, then suddenly
> > it jumps to its max value.  
> > 
> > Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
> > 
> > Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  I've also 
> been
> > thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my Local music
> > store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out the board
> > with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of adding the MP's
> > ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold without ROMs 
> (I've
> > seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be cheaper, and
> > using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I figure I can
> > swap out the board with little problem if I have to.
> > 
> > any experienced with this or other suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
>

Re: dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-12 by keiodi

I got a reply from EMU basically saying they don't support old stuff
anymore.  but they gave a web site of a company that does "official"
repairs. http://www.eprelectronics.com/  They have the encoder for
$12.50.  of course they charge $80 an hour and I'd have to ship it
there.  luckily my local music shop will repair it and charge 1/2 that
and if I bring the encoder I'll just have them solder it.  but
hopefully cleaning works.  


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hey thanks.  I've got some deoxit ready to go.  I'll try that first. 
> Since my soldering skillz are non-existent I might have to leave that
> up to a professional.  but it sounds like it would be pretty simple. 
> So hopefully less than an hour's worth of work.  
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzinigonz@> wrote:
> >
> > You could have a go at changing the encoder, but carefull soldering 
> > skills are reqired or damage will occur to the PCB. Not good.
> > Ive got proper desoldering equipment here and even with that 
> > sometimes parts can be a pain to get off.
> > That encoder should be easy though.
> > Try digikey in the states for a replacement. Think ive seen them on 
> > ebay at an inflated price as well. Other emu gear uses the same style 
> > encoder.
> > 
> > You could try cleaning it first, it can be a solution for a short 
> > time, maybe longer.
> > Get some contact cleaner, something like swish or craig deoxit D5 or 
> > at a push servisol contact cleaner.
> > You might get lucky, but if its worn out then its worn out!
> > I got lucky with mine, its still working after a couple of years.
> > Look in the photos section under miscellaneous and find the XL7 
> > encoder picture. It shows you where to squirt the cleaner.
> > Hope that helps :o)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > >
> > > O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as a sound
> > > module and with presets (except what can be programmed via the 
> > knobs)
> > > mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless and I've
> > > switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my studio.  
> > > 
> > > But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter lower (say
> > > tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise the value 
> > may
> > > go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, then suddenly
> > > it jumps to its max value.  
> > > 
> > > Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
> > > 
> > > Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  I've also 
> > been
> > > thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my Local music
> > > store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out the board
> > > with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of adding the MP's
> > > ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold without ROMs 
> > (I've
> > > seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be cheaper, and
> > > using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I figure I can
> > > swap out the board with little problem if I have to.
> > > 
> > > any experienced with this or other suggestions would be appreciated.
> > >
> >
>

Re: dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-13 by malik

so did you clean it yet?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@...> wrote:
>
> I got a reply from EMU basically saying they don't support old stuff
> anymore.  but they gave a web site of a company that does "official"
> repairs. http://www.eprelectronics.com/  They have the encoder for
> $12.50.  of course they charge $80 an hour and I'd have to ship it
> there.  luckily my local music shop will repair it and charge 1/2 
that
> and if I bring the encoder I'll just have them solder it.  but
> hopefully cleaning works.  
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey thanks.  I've got some deoxit ready to go.  I'll try that 
first. 
> > Since my soldering skillz are non-existent I might have to leave 
that
> > up to a professional.  but it sounds like it would be pretty 
simple. 
> > So hopefully less than an hour's worth of work.  
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzinigonz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You could have a go at changing the encoder, but carefull 
soldering 
> > > skills are reqired or damage will occur to the PCB. Not good.
> > > Ive got proper desoldering equipment here and even with that 
> > > sometimes parts can be a pain to get off.
> > > That encoder should be easy though.
> > > Try digikey in the states for a replacement. Think ive seen 
them on 
> > > ebay at an inflated price as well. Other emu gear uses the same 
style 
> > > encoder.
> > > 
> > > You could try cleaning it first, it can be a solution for a 
short 
> > > time, maybe longer.
> > > Get some contact cleaner, something like swish or craig deoxit 
D5 or 
> > > at a push servisol contact cleaner.
> > > You might get lucky, but if its worn out then its worn out!
> > > I got lucky with mine, its still working after a couple of 
years.
> > > Look in the photos section under miscellaneous and find the XL7 
> > > encoder picture. It shows you where to squirt the cleaner.
> > > Hope that helps :o)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as a 
sound
> > > > module and with presets (except what can be programmed via 
the 
> > > knobs)
> > > > mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless and 
I've
> > > > switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my studio.  
> > > > 
> > > > But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter lower 
(say
> > > > tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise the 
value 
> > > may
> > > > go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, then 
suddenly
> > > > it jumps to its max value.  
> > > > 
> > > > Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
> > > > 
> > > > Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  I've 
also 
> > > been
> > > > thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my Local 
music
> > > > store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out the 
board
> > > > with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of adding 
the MP's
> > > > ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold without 
ROMs 
> > > (I've
> > > > seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be 
cheaper, and
> > > > using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I figure 
I can
> > > > swap out the board with little problem if I have to.
> > > > 
> > > > any experienced with this or other suggestions would be 
appreciated.
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> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-13 by keiodi

Yup, cleaned it last night.  That seems to have been the problem. 
Working great now.  I stayed up way too late last night jamming on my
XL7 like I used to.
   


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> so did you clean it yet?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> >
> > I got a reply from EMU basically saying they don't support old stuff
> > anymore.  but they gave a web site of a company that does "official"
> > repairs. http://www.eprelectronics.com/  They have the encoder for
> > $12.50.  of course they charge $80 an hour and I'd have to ship it
> > there.  luckily my local music shop will repair it and charge 1/2 
> that
> > and if I bring the encoder I'll just have them solder it.  but
> > hopefully cleaning works.  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey thanks.  I've got some deoxit ready to go.  I'll try that 
> first. 
> > > Since my soldering skillz are non-existent I might have to leave 
> that
> > > up to a professional.  but it sounds like it would be pretty 
> simple. 
> > > So hopefully less than an hour's worth of work.  
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzinigonz@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You could have a go at changing the encoder, but carefull 
> soldering 
> > > > skills are reqired or damage will occur to the PCB. Not good.
> > > > Ive got proper desoldering equipment here and even with that 
> > > > sometimes parts can be a pain to get off.
> > > > That encoder should be easy though.
> > > > Try digikey in the states for a replacement. Think ive seen 
> them on 
> > > > ebay at an inflated price as well. Other emu gear uses the same 
> style 
> > > > encoder.
> > > > 
> > > > You could try cleaning it first, it can be a solution for a 
> short 
> > > > time, maybe longer.
> > > > Get some contact cleaner, something like swish or craig deoxit 
> D5 or 
> > > > at a push servisol contact cleaner.
> > > > You might get lucky, but if its worn out then its worn out!
> > > > I got lucky with mine, its still working after a couple of 
> years.
> > > > Look in the photos section under miscellaneous and find the XL7 
> > > > encoder picture. It shows you where to squirt the cleaner.
> > > > Hope that helps :o)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as a 
> sound
> > > > > module and with presets (except what can be programmed via 
> the 
> > > > knobs)
> > > > > mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless and 
> I've
> > > > > switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my studio.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter lower 
> (say
> > > > > tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise the 
> value 
> > > > may
> > > > > go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, then 
> suddenly
> > > > > it jumps to its max value.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  I've 
> also 
> > > > been
> > > > > thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my Local 
> music
> > > > > store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out the 
> board
> > > > > with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of adding 
> the MP's
> > > > > ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold without 
> ROMs 
> > > > (I've
> > > > > seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be 
> cheaper, and
> > > > > using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I figure 
> I can
> > > > > swap out the board with little problem if I have to.
> > > > > 
> > > > > any experienced with this or other suggestions would be 
> appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: dodgey jog wheel.

2007-11-15 by gonzinigonz

cool glad it worked for you.
Should buy you some time anyway.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@...> wrote:
>
> Yup, cleaned it last night.  That seems to have been the problem. 
> Working great now.  I stayed up way too late last night jamming on 
my
> XL7 like I used to.
>    
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@> wrote:
> >
> > so did you clean it yet?
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I got a reply from EMU basically saying they don't support old 
stuff
> > > anymore.  but they gave a web site of a company that 
does "official"
> > > repairs. http://www.eprelectronics.com/  They have the encoder 
for
> > > $12.50.  of course they charge $80 an hour and I'd have to ship 
it
> > > there.  luckily my local music shop will repair it and charge 
1/2 
> > that
> > > and if I bring the encoder I'll just have them solder it.  but
> > > hopefully cleaning works.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey thanks.  I've got some deoxit ready to go.  I'll try that 
> > first. 
> > > > Since my soldering skillz are non-existent I might have to 
leave 
> > that
> > > > up to a professional.  but it sounds like it would be pretty 
> > simple. 
> > > > So hopefully less than an hour's worth of work.  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzinigonz@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You could have a go at changing the encoder, but carefull 
> > soldering 
> > > > > skills are reqired or damage will occur to the PCB. Not 
good.
> > > > > Ive got proper desoldering equipment here and even with 
that 
> > > > > sometimes parts can be a pain to get off.
> > > > > That encoder should be easy though.
> > > > > Try digikey in the states for a replacement. Think ive seen 
> > them on 
> > > > > ebay at an inflated price as well. Other emu gear uses the 
same 
> > style 
> > > > > encoder.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You could try cleaning it first, it can be a solution for a 
> > short 
> > > > > time, maybe longer.
> > > > > Get some contact cleaner, something like swish or craig 
deoxit 
> > D5 or 
> > > > > at a push servisol contact cleaner.
> > > > > You might get lucky, but if its worn out then its worn out!
> > > > > I got lucky with mine, its still working after a couple of 
> > years.
> > > > > Look in the photos section under miscellaneous and find the 
XL7 
> > > > > encoder picture. It shows you where to squirt the cleaner.
> > > > > Hope that helps :o)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "keiodi" <ms06j@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > O.K. I love my XL7 but at the moment I'm only using it as 
a 
> > sound
> > > > > > module and with presets (except what can be programmed 
via 
> > the 
> > > > > knobs)
> > > > > > mostly because the jog wheel has become totally useless 
and 
> > I've
> > > > > > switched to using Ableton Live as a sequencer for my 
studio.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But back to the XL7 If I'm trying to adjust a parameter 
lower 
> > (say
> > > > > > tempo) I'll slowly turn the jog wheel counter clockwise 
the 
> > value 
> > > > > may
> > > > > > go down a bit but soon it's going up rather than down, 
then 
> > suddenly
> > > > > > it jumps to its max value.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions on how to fix 
this?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Can it be fixed with just cleaning the jog wheel area?  
I've 
> > also 
> > > > > been
> > > > > > thinking about sending it to a tech.  (I'll ask at my 
Local 
> > music
> > > > > > store)  Another option is getting a  MP7 and swapping out 
the 
> > board
> > > > > > with the jog wheel on it.  This has the avantage of 
adding 
> > the MP's
> > > > > > ROM.  Or maybe any of the command stations if sold 
without 
> > ROMs 
> > > > > (I've
> > > > > > seen this on ebay on occasion) which would hopefully be 
> > cheaper, and
> > > > > > using the rest for parts (if/when they go on mine).  I 
figure 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > I can
> > > > > > swap out the board with little problem if I have to.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > any experienced with this or other suggestions would be 
> > appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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