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While researching E-Mu Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from 
2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?  
Thanks. --Steve

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I have a ROM for the E-mu Proteus architecture that is marked" 32BM 
SOUND FLASH SOUND ROM." It has E-mu's Composer sound set on it,  but 
I'd rather treat it as a flash ROM,  if that's what it really is.  

What I've heard is that E-mu used to sometimes burn a ROM onto a flash 
ROM when their ordinary stock was out.  However,  I've also heard that 
they had some kind of copy protection scheme they put on those ROMs so 
they couldn't be overwritten, and which could screw up the chip if you 
tried.

Does anyone know anything about this?  How could I tell if this is a
rewritable flash ROM?

>>While researching E-Mu Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from 
2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<

steve- I've seen this correspondence too, & I may even have taken part
in it. I have a bit of history with the emu flash rom authoring thing
(see "emus on acid" forum for the whole story) which eventually worked
out fine... all emu ultra samplers are not created equal, it seems, &
the long & the short of it is to make sure you get a lump of hardware
(never mind the right version of EOS) that can actually perform the
burn. so I have an v4.7 e5k ultra here that works in every other
respect but cannot author flash roms. my e6400ultra does it fine.

anyway- back to the plot. I too have seen one or two of the later
factory roms that appear to be flash roms- either they look similar
physically or they actually have "emu flash sound rom 32Mb" or
somesuch printed on them.
they aren't. they don't.
I have a "composer" set here that I got in a pk6; it looked very like
the flash sticks I have elsewhere, & since I already had the composer
set twice, I tried to burn over it. 
it doesn't work.
curiously, the sampler boots & says "flash rom installed", & the rom
appears in the disc menu with the flash rom icon. there the similarity
ends. I forget the error message- will report on this again if you're
sufficiently curious.
 
same deal with the audity expansion I eventually extracted from emu.
(since this set is so hard to get hold of, I decided to copy it into
my sampler- which worked fine- & then re-author it onto itself. the
sampler refused. the rom survived intact.)

there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" flash
roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were shipping
towards the end of their hardware days. 
somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three distinct
roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" factory
flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with one
of the chips missing.
again, I can probably unearth these pics if you are really curious
about this. 
maybe emu were using these instead of getting "real" roms made because
they weren't making the roms in such big numbers anymore. I don't know. 
what I do know is that there is a premium on any of this stuff right
now. I got three 32Mb flash sticks right at the death, & consider
myself fortunate. there are other emu roms I wish I could erase & burn
over, but sadly it doesn't appear to work like that.
hth-
duncan/r.m.i.

You know,
If anyone knows the memory format and the electrical behaviour of the
rom sockets (ie, what data lines, and address lines and timing
information), it wouldn't be than hard to make your own flash rom
cards...

Is it worth trying to reverse engineer the format?  would there be
much of a market for them?

On 4/30/06, ferrograph632 <goddard.duncan@...> wrote:
> >>While researching E-Mu Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from
> 2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<
>
> steve- I've seen this correspondence too, & I may even have taken part
> in it. I have a bit of history with the emu flash rom authoring thing
> (see "emus on acid" forum for the whole story) which eventually worked
> out fine... all emu ultra samplers are not created equal, it seems, &
> the long & the short of it is to make sure you get a lump of hardware
> (never mind the right version of EOS) that can actually perform the
> burn. so I have an v4.7 e5k ultra here that works in every other
> respect but cannot author flash roms. my e6400ultra does it fine.
>
> anyway- back to the plot. I too have seen one or two of the later
> factory roms that appear to be flash roms- either they look similar
> physically or they actually have "emu flash sound rom 32Mb" or
> somesuch printed on them.
> they aren't. they don't.
> I have a "composer" set here that I got in a pk6; it looked very like
> the flash sticks I have elsewhere, & since I already had the composer
> set twice, I tried to burn over it.
> it doesn't work.
> curiously, the sampler boots & says "flash rom installed", & the rom
> appears in the disc menu with the flash rom icon. there the similarity
> ends. I forget the error message- will report on this again if you're
> sufficiently curious.
>
> same deal with the audity expansion I eventually extracted from emu.
> (since this set is so hard to get hold of, I decided to copy it into
> my sampler- which worked fine- & then re-author it onto itself. the
> sampler refused. the rom survived intact.)
>
> there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" flash
> roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were shipping
> towards the end of their hardware days.
> somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three distinct
> roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" factory
> flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
> proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
> shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with one
> of the chips missing.
> again, I can probably unearth these pics if you are really curious
> about this.
> maybe emu were using these instead of getting "real" roms made because
> they weren't making the roms in such big numbers anymore. I don't know.
> what I do know is that there is a premium on any of this stuff right
> now. I got three 32Mb flash sticks right at the death, & consider
> myself fortunate. there are other emu roms I wish I could erase & burn
> over, but sadly it doesn't appear to work like that.
> hth-
> duncan/r.m.i.
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So, ferrograph is on the right track.  All E-mu *module* sound ROMs have 5 chips, 4 8MB chips for sample data and one 1-2MB chip for preset/riff/arp/etc data.  The original sound ROMs for the *sampler* series only have the 4 larger chips since the sampler can read preset data into memory from the big flashes.

However, the 4 chip sampler ROMs have little to do with this discussion other than that they won't work (but you won't really find them anyway).

As far as the module version, there are actually 3 combinations: All 5 flash, All 5 ROM, and ones with the 4 big ROM and 1 baby flash.  The all flash version is the only one you can burn with an E4.  The all ROM versions are what eventually comes from the factory.  The one with the baby flash (yes, that's a technical term) is used for initial production since the sound data is done before the presets, it can be sent off for manufacture and presets downloaded to it later.  Once the first batch is done, eventually they transition to baby ROM to save costs.

Theoretically, you could update the presets on the half flash versions, but you'd have to have the SIMMmaster3000.  You wouldn't, however, be able to burn any samples since the samples aren't in flash.

To tell the difference: any flash part I believe will say Intel StrataFlash on it.  The ROMs do not.  If all five chips don't say flash, you essentially have a non-burnable ROM.

-Aaron

PS. in case anyone's wondering why these chips are so expensive, it's because they're very, very fast.  They have to support 128 streams of 7x oversampled data.  That's 2-3 times faster than even the fastest CF cards on the market today.  At the time of introduction, they were as fast as computer main memory (60ns)!

ferrograph632 <goddard.duncan@...> wrote: >>While researching E-Mu Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from 
2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<

there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" flash
roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were shipping
towards the end of their hardware days. 
somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three distinct
roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" factory
flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with one of the chips missing.
		
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Thanks Aaron, this is useful information to me as I have xl-x series, E6400 Ultra and one flash module....looking for more....

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aaron Eppolito 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: E-Mu Flash ROMS


  So, ferrograph is on the right track.  All E-mu *module* sound ROMs have 5 chips, 4 8MB chips for sample data and one 1-2MB chip for preset/riff/arp/etc data.  The original sound ROMs for the *sampler* series only have the 4 larger chips since the sampler can read preset data into memory from the big flashes.

  However, the 4 chip sampler ROMs have little to do with this discussion other than that they won't work (but you won't really find them anyway).

  As far as the module version, there are actually 3 combinations: All 5 flash, All 5 ROM, and ones with the 4 big ROM and 1 baby flash.  The all flash version is the only one you can burn with an E4.  The all ROM versions are what eventually comes from the factory.  The one with the baby flash (yes, that's a technical term) is used for initial production since the sound data is done before the presets, it can be sent off for manufacture and presets downloaded to it later.  Once the first batch is done, eventually they transition to baby ROM to save costs.

  Theoretically, you could update the presets on the half flash versions, but you'd have to have the SIMMmaster3000.  You wouldn't, however, be able to burn any samples since the samples aren't in flash.

  To tell the difference: any flash part I believe will say Intel StrataFlash on it.  The ROMs do not.  If all five chips don't say flash, you essentially have a non-burnable ROM.

  -Aaron

  PS. in case anyone's wondering why these chips are so expensive, it's because they're very, very fast.  They have to support 128 streams of 7x oversampled data.  That's 2-3 times faster than even the fastest CF cards on the market today.  At the time of introduction, they were as fast as computer main memory (60ns)!

  ferrograph632 <goddard.duncan@...> wrote: >>While researching E-Mu Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from 
  2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<

  there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" flash
  roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were shipping
  towards the end of their hardware days. 
  somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three distinct
  roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" factory
  flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
  proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
  shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with one of the chips missing.

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Thanks for the background and details, ferrograph; thanks to others 
who chimed in, including Aaron, with his helpful background and 
technical info.

I am glad you mentioned the e5k ultra. I just bought one (it hasn't 
arrived yet), but with the high price of burnable/authorable E-MU 
sampler ROMS, I am not sure I will miss that feature. (It does 
include the Protozoa ROM, which I had been wanting for years to 
replace my P1+Orchestra XR).

I had been wondering about using my Siedlaczek ROM (which says 32 MB 
Sound Flash Sound ROM), but I see (thanks to Aaron's explanation), 
that's not possible--even if I got a sampler that could burn.

BTW, a Seidlaczek ROM just went for $260. (And I thought only the 
World ROM and the Protean Drums commanded high prices!)

Follow up question for those of you who own/do stuff with E4 and 
related gear: Are there groups (like this one) you'd recommend?

Thanks.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ferrograph632" <goddard.duncan@...> 
wrote:
> steve- I've seen this correspondence too, & I may even have taken 
> 
part in it. I have a bit of history with the emu flash rom 
> authoring thing (see "emus on acid" forum for the whole story) 
> which eventually worked out fine... all emu ultra samplers are not
> created equal, it seems, & the long & the short of it is to make
> sure you get a lump of hardware never mind the right version of
> EOS) that can actually perform the burn. so I have an v4.7 e5k 
> ultra here that works in every other respect but cannot author
> flash roms. my e6400ultra does it fine.

[snip]

Thanks for the info about the Flash ROMS!
After knowing these, (and maybe I missed point in the last posts),
if I got an "all 5 flash" module, which EMU samplers are
capable of burning it for command stations?


andrew

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

> So, ferrograph is on the right track.  All E-mu *module* sound ROMs have 5 chips, 4 8MB chips for sample data and one 1-2MB chip for preset/riff/arp/etc data.  The original sound ROMs for the *sampler* series only have the 4 larger chips since the sampler can read preset data into memory from the big flashes.
>
> However, the 4 chip sampler ROMs have little to do with this discussion other than that they won't work (but you won't really find them anyway).
>
> As far as the module version, there are actually 3 combinations: All 5 flash, All 5 ROM, and ones with the 4 big ROM and 1 baby flash.  The all flash version is the only one you can burn with an E4.  The all ROM versions are what eventually comes from the factory.  The one with the baby flash (yes, that's a technical term) is used for initial production since the sound data is done before the presets, it can be sent off for manufacture and presets downloaded to it later.  Once the first batch is done, eventually they transition to baby ROM to save costs.
>
> Theoretically, you could update the presets on the half flash versions, but you'd have to have the SIMMmaster3000.  You wouldn't, however, be able to burn any samples since the samples aren't in flash.
>
> To tell the difference: any flash part I believe will say Intel StrataFlash on it.  The ROMs do not.  If all five chips don't say flash, you essentially have a non-burnable ROM.
>
> -Aaron
>
> PS. in case anyone's wondering why these chips are so expensive, it's because they're very, very fast.  They have to support 128 streams of 7x oversampled data.  That's 2-3 times faster than even the fastest CF cards on the market today.  At the time of introduction, they were as fast as computer main memory (60ns)!
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> ferrograph632 <goddard.duncan@...> wrote: >>While researching E-Mu Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from
> 2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<
>
> there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" flash
> roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were shipping
> towards the end of their hardware days.
> somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three distinct
> roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" factory
> flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
> proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
> shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with one of the chips missing.
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>>if I got an "all 5 flash" module, which EMU samplers are capable of
burning it for command stations?<<

that's a big "if"- those flash roms are pretty rare now. but if you do
find one, you then have the possibility of running your own sampled
sounds through the proteus synth engine. even the high-end samplers
don't have all the features of the proteus when it comes to mangling
sounds, & you have the added benefits of instant-load, no hard drive
to worry about, & a slim chassis/built-in sequencer (depending whether
you have a proteus 1U box or a command station).
anyway. you would need any one of the ultra series samplers, running
at least EOS-4.1 though I think 4.6 may have been mandated. 
emu sent me EOS-4.7 when I was having trouble with an e5k ultra, which
wouldn't "author" flash roms whatever I did. 
eventually I found an e6400 ultra that would. so the hardware itself
may not all be equal to the task.
I got lucky, I guess- I have three 32Mb sticks & a 16Mb stick, with my
own mellotron samples & some other stuff on them. 

duncan/r.m.i.

Does anyone have any leads on a device (to buy, rent, or borrow) 
that will allow one to put P2K presets (and other objects) on a P2K 
ROM? Aaron mentioned a SIMMmaster3000 and there appears to be no 
such thing to be found via the Internet. (Yes, I tried all possible 
combinations of SIMM, master, maker and a few other things with and 
without the 3000 and a few other numbers.

The company listed for legacy gear repairs has not yet gotten back 
to me (from last week), and I am still on the hold queue (after 45 
minutes) with e-mu legacy gear technical support.

BTW, I was right a few months ago in predicting an increase in 
prices for e-mu gear on e-bay. In large part this seems to be coming 
from an individual (or two) investing in e-mu gear and roms (that is 
buying and selling them).

Thanks for any help on suggestions on how to recover from a bad CRC.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
>
> So, ferrograph is on the right track.  All E-mu *module* sound 
ROMs have 5 chips, 4 8MB chips for sample data and one 1-2MB chip 
for preset/riff/arp/etc data.  The original sound ROMs for the 
*sampler* series only have the 4 larger chips since the sampler can 
read preset data into memory from the big flashes.
> 
> However, the 4 chip sampler ROMs have little to do with this 
discussion other than that they won't work (but you won't really 
find them anyway).
> 
> As far as the module version, there are actually 3 combinations: 
All 5 flash, All 5 ROM, and ones with the 4 big ROM and 1 baby 
flash.  The all flash version is the only one you can burn with an 
E4.  The all ROM versions are what eventually comes from the 
factory.  The one with the baby flash (yes, that's a technical term) 
is used for initial production since the sound data is done before 
the presets, it can be sent off for manufacture and presets 
downloaded to it later.  Once the first batch is done, eventually 
they transition to baby ROM to save costs.
> 
> Theoretically, you could update the presets on the half flash 
versions, but you'd have to have the SIMMmaster3000.  You wouldn't, 
however, be able to burn any samples since the samples aren't in 
flash.
> 
> To tell the difference: any flash part I believe will say Intel 
StrataFlash on it.  The ROMs do not.  If all five chips don't say 
flash, you essentially have a non-burnable ROM.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> PS. in case anyone's wondering why these chips are so expensive, 
it's because they're very, very fast.  They have to support 128 
streams of 7x oversampled data.  That's 2-3 times faster than even 
the fastest CF cards on the market today.  At the time of 
introduction, they were as fast as computer main memory (60ns)!
> 
> ferrograph632 <goddard.duncan@...> wrote: >>While researching E-Mu 
Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from 
> 2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<
> 
> there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" 
flash
> roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were 
shipping
> towards the end of their hardware days. 
> somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three 
distinct
> roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" 
factory
> flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
> proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
> shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with 
one of the chips missing.
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Heh, the SIMMmaster3000 was a P2K with special software that sat in a cube in the corner who's sole purpose in life was to copy baby flash.  It was pretty cool, complete with a hand-written bezel proclaiming its SIMMmasterness.

Are you in the bay area?  E-mu might still have it lying around...

-Aaron

PS. back to the original problem, CRC errors were usually a symptom of bad slots rather than bad ROMs.  Have you tried putting that ROM in a different machine (of course, presuming you have a different machine to try it in)?  Perhaps a local user or store might have a P2K or XL-7 class machine?

steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote: Does anyone have any leads on a device (to buy, rent, or borrow) 
that will allow one to put P2K presets (and other objects) on a P2K 
ROM? Aaron mentioned a SIMMmaster3000 and there appears to be no
such thing to be found via the Internet. (Yes, I tried all possible 
combinations of SIMM, master, maker and a few other things with and 
without the 3000 and a few other numbers.

The company listed for legacy gear repairs has not yet gotten back 
to me (from last week), and I am still on the hold queue (after 45 
minutes) with e-mu legacy gear technical support.

BTW, I was right a few months ago in predicting an increase in 
prices for e-mu gear on e-bay. In large part this seems to be coming 
from an individual (or two) investing in e-mu gear and roms (that is 
buying and selling them).

Thanks for any help on suggestions on how to recover from a bad CRC.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito  wrote:
>
> So, ferrograph is on the right track.  All E-mu *module* sound 
ROMs have 5 chips, 4 8MB chips for sample data and one 1-2MB chip 
for preset/riff/arp/etc data.  The original sound ROMs for the 
*sampler* series only have the 4 larger chips since the sampler can 
read preset data into memory from the big flashes.
> 
> However, the 4 chip sampler ROMs have little to do with this 
discussion other than that they won't work (but you won't really 
find them anyway).
> 
> As far as the module version, there are actually 3 combinations: 
All 5 flash, All 5 ROM, and ones with the 4 big ROM and 1 baby 
flash.  The all flash version is the only one you can burn with an 
E4.  The all ROM versions are what eventually comes from the 
factory.  The one with the baby flash (yes, that's a technical term) 
is used for initial production since the sound data is done before 
the presets, it can be sent off for manufacture and presets 
downloaded to it later.  Once the first batch is done, eventually 
they transition to baby ROM to save costs.
> 
> Theoretically, you could update the presets on the half flash 
versions, but you'd have to have the SIMMmaster3000.  You wouldn't, 
however, be able to burn any samples since the samples aren't in 
flash.
> 
> To tell the difference: any flash part I believe will say Intel 
StrataFlash on it.  The ROMs do not.  If all five chips don't say 
flash, you essentially have a non-burnable ROM.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> PS. in case anyone's wondering why these chips are so expensive, 
it's because they're very, very fast.  They have to support 128 
streams of 7x oversampled data.  That's 2-3 times faster than even 
the fastest CF cards on the market today.  At the time of 
introduction, they were as fast as computer main memory (60ns)!
> 
> ferrograph632  wrote: >>While researching E-Mu 
Flas ROMS I ran across the following (from 
> 2005) on another board.  Does anyone know anything about this?<<
> 
> there is something- a small but significant chip- on the "real" 
flash
> roms that is absent from the "leftover" flash roms emu were 
shipping
> towards the end of their hardware days. 
> somewhere out there on another forum are jpegs of the three 
distinct
> roms I have encountered- the "real" factory roms, the "real" 
factory
> flash rom that can be authored in an ultra & which will work in the
> proteus chassis models, & this third sort (which comes in several
> shapes but is basically the same) which seems to be flash rom with 
one of the chips missing.
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Thanks for the info and your suggestions. I will try calling 
Creative/Emu to see if they have it. However based on yesterday's 
experience, I am not sure I will be able to reach anyone who knows 
anything serious about E-Mu gear. (Wish I could get the software to do 
it myself!) BTW, I am a few thousand miles away from the bay area.

As for the bad CRC error, I get the same problem in all slots in 2 
different units. I took someone's suggestion and tried cleaning the 
contacts. That didn't help. 

The original problem may have stemmed from my putting the ROM in my 
E5000 a few months ago. 

I have put it back in the E5000, so all is not lost. As of now the 
former P2500 Composer 32mb ROM still has 15.9mb of EOS samples/presets 
that also support the Ultra E-Synth presets. In fact, it shows up in 
the Ultra as EROM V1.3. Could I have somehow reprogrammed it in the 
Ultra?

From the above description, does it sound like reflashing the baby 
flash (if it can be done with the SIMMMaster3000-assuming it still 
exists) might get get my ROM back to the way it was?

Again, thanks for the info and suggestions. 

--Steve

 
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
>
> Heh, the SIMMmaster3000 was a P2K with special software that sat in 
a cube in the corner who's sole purpose in life was to copy baby 
flash.  It was pretty cool, complete with a hand-written bezel 
proclaiming its SIMMmasterness.
> 
> Are you in the bay area?  E-mu might still have it lying around...
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> PS. back to the original problem, CRC errors were usually a symptom 
of bad slots rather than bad ROMs.  Have you tried putting that ROM in 
a different machine (of course, presuming you have a different machine 
to try it in)?  Perhaps a local user or store might have a P2K or XL-7 
class machine?
>

I have a similar problem to yours like 10 months ago, the same error
you get, I did the same as you and nothing works, every week try
something, swap the simms, reinstall os, clean the pins, ect, then one
day after another reinstall os attent when I nearly give up, i press
the power switch and the Command Station start compacting the SIMMS
alone, I have never do a Manually Compact Now on it so i guess i turn
it off when it was a mess and then it have problem to boot up...

That was like 10 months ago and I have never have another problem with
it and still have never do Manually Compact Now, I guess i should doit
before it happent again...



--- In xl7@...m, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

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> Thanks for the info and your suggestions. I will try calling 
> Creative/Emu to see if they have it. However based on yesterday's 
> experience, I am not sure I will be able to reach anyone who knows 
> anything serious about E-Mu gear. (Wish I could get the software to do 
> it myself!) BTW, I am a few thousand miles away from the bay area.
> 
> As for the bad CRC error, I get the same problem in all slots in 2 
> different units. I took someone's suggestion and tried cleaning the 
> contacts. That didn't help. 
> 
> The original problem may have stemmed from my putting the ROM in my 
> E5000 a few months ago. 
> 
> I have put it back in the E5000, so all is not lost. As of now the 
> former P2500 Composer 32mb ROM still has 15.9mb of EOS samples/presets 
> that also support the Ultra E-Synth presets. In fact, it shows up in 
> the Ultra as EROM V1.3. Could I have somehow reprogrammed it in the 
> Ultra?
> 
> From the above description, does it sound like reflashing the baby 
> flash (if it can be done with the SIMMMaster3000-assuming it still 
> exists) might get get my ROM back to the way it was?
> 
> Again, thanks for the info and suggestions. 
> 
> --Steve
> 
>  
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote:
> >
> > Heh, the SIMMmaster3000 was a P2K with special software that sat in 
> a cube in the corner who's sole purpose in life was to copy baby 
> flash.  It was pretty cool, complete with a hand-written bezel 
> proclaiming its SIMMmasterness.
> > 
> > Are you in the bay area?  E-mu might still have it lying around...
> > 
> > -Aaron
> > 
> > PS. back to the original problem, CRC errors were usually a symptom 
> of bad slots rather than bad ROMs.  Have you tried putting that ROM in 
> a different machine (of course, presuming you have a different machine 
> to try it in)?  Perhaps a local user or store might have a P2K or XL-7 
> class machine?
> >
>