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MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-01-28 by lifeistheformofenergy

I am not using
any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7 and yet go
beyond it's parameters if so possible the thing is that there might
be some code embedded in the XX7 that actually prevents this sort of
thing from happening which is also what I am asking - what exactly gets
sent out and if rerouted what gets interpreted as actual effect during
imput - if other gear is used for effects - does it correctly interpret
the sysex or will it leave it only as note on or off ... how can a
rechannelized track be set up so that it acts as though it is
continues or realtime and still keeps changing the effect
information ...

Re: [xl7] MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-01-28 by Bob S.

I don't think anyone answered you because they may not understand the question....Can you state just the question?  Do you want midi echo or do you want to prevent it?  If you want it, why when the XL7 has a digital echo built-in.  Real midi echo will reduce your polyphony if there is voice overlap and eats midi bandwidth.  You can create it but to make the loop, you will need a midi merge function....

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lifeistheformofenergy 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:52 PM
  Subject: [xl7] MIDI ECHO can someone help


  I am not using
  any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7 and yet go
  beyond it's parameters if so possible the thing is that there might
  be some code embedded in the XX7 that actually prevents this sort of
  thing from happening which is also what I am asking - what exactly gets
  sent out and if rerouted what gets interpreted as actual effect during
  imput - if other gear is used for effects - does it correctly interpret
  the sysex or will it leave it only as note on or off ... how can a
  rechannelized track be set up so that it acts as though it is
  continues or realtime and still keeps changing the effect
  information ...






   
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Re: MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-01-28 by steve_the_composer

I will dissect your message into parts that make sense to me and 
parts that make no sense to me.  I will also ask questions and make 
comments to try to figure out what you are trying to do with your E-
Mu.

Other ways to try to understand your questions(s) include:
(1) State specifically what you are trying to do.
(2) Restate your question(s) using different words.

There are several people here who might be able to help you do what 
you want, but--at least to me--it is unclear what you are trying to 
do. I hope the following helps.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy" 
<lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
>
> I am not using
> any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7

I understand the first part (above.)

> and yet go
> beyond it's parameters 

I am not sure what this (above) means.

> if so possible the thing is that there might
> be some code embedded in the XX7

Yes, there is "code" in the E-Mu.

> that actually prevents this sort of
> thing from happening 

This makes no sense to me. Prevents what sort of thing? If you 
mean "prevents a user from going beyond the E-Mu's parameters," what 
do you want to try to do that you cannot seem to do using the E-Mu's 
parameters?

> which is also what I am asking - what exactly gets
> sent out 

This makes no sense to me since you are not sending anything out of  
your E-Mu--except for audio (and I assume you are getting audio from 
your E-Mu). Your question "what exactly gets sent out" would make 
sense to me if you were sending midi data out to another device.  I 
guess my question here is: Sent out from where TO where?

> and if rerouted 

Are you talking about patch cords? If not, what?

> what gets interpreted as actual effect 

Are you talking about the effects processor? If not what?

> during imput

Input FROM what INTO what?

 - if other gear is used for effects

Wait a second--you said you are not using external gear.  What is 
your native language? Perhaps something is being lost in translation?

> - does it 

What is "it?" The E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?

> correctly interpret the sysex

Most synth gear (including E-Mus) correctly interpret sysex. 

> or will it 

Again, is "it" the E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?

> leave it 

HUH??????? Leave the sysex data?????????

> only as note on or off

Note on and note off data are not system exclusive data.  Are you 
asking if sysex data will mess up note on/off data?

> ... how can a rechannelized track be set up 

I understand the start of this question.

> so that it acts as though it

By "it" do you mean the rechannelized track? Does "it" in the second 
half of the above mean the same thing as "it" in the first half?
 
> is continues 

Not sure what you mean by this (above).

> or realtime 

Not sure what you mean by this (above) either.

> and still keeps changing the effect information ...

Are you talking about the effects processor? If not, what do you 
mean by "effect information?"

Re: MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-01-28 by steve_the_composer

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@e...> wrote:

> Real midi echo will reduce your polyphony if there is voice overlap
> and eats midi bandwidth.

The patchcord method of simulating echo (using an lfo/sawtooth wave to 
modulate the amp) won't reduce polyphony.  Its a trick I used a few 
times on my first 8-voice synth! True, its not realo echo, but it can 
be effective in simulating the effect.

Re: [xl7] Re: MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-01-29 by Mibrilane

A valiant attempt to figure out what the heck he was asking, Steve. I  
didn't even try to answer because I have no idea what the question  
is. ;D

On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:47 PM, steve_the_composer wrote:

> I will dissect your message into parts that make sense to me and
> parts that make no sense to me.  I will also ask questions and make
> comments to try to figure out what you are trying to do with your E-
> Mu.
>
> Other ways to try to understand your questions(s) include:
> (1) State specifically what you are trying to do.
> (2) Restate your question(s) using different words.
>
> There are several people here who might be able to help you do what
> you want, but--at least to me--it is unclear what you are trying to
> do. I hope the following helps.
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
>>
>> I am not using
>> any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7
>
> I understand the first part (above.)
>
>> and yet go
>> beyond it's parameters
>
> I am not sure what this (above) means.
>
>> if so possible the thing is that there might
>> be some code embedded in the XX7
>
> Yes, there is "code" in the E-Mu.
>
>> that actually prevents this sort of
>> thing from happening
>
> This makes no sense to me. Prevents what sort of thing? If you
> mean "prevents a user from going beyond the E-Mu's parameters," what
> do you want to try to do that you cannot seem to do using the E-Mu's
> parameters?
>
>> which is also what I am asking - what exactly gets
>> sent out
>
> This makes no sense to me since you are not sending anything out of
> your E-Mu--except for audio (and I assume you are getting audio from
> your E-Mu). Your question "what exactly gets sent out" would make
> sense to me if you were sending midi data out to another device.  I
> guess my question here is: Sent out from where TO where?
>
>> and if rerouted
>
> Are you talking about patch cords? If not, what?
>
>> what gets interpreted as actual effect
>
> Are you talking about the effects processor? If not what?
>
>> during imput
>
> Input FROM what INTO what?
>
>  - if other gear is used for effects
>
> Wait a second--you said you are not using external gear.  What is
> your native language? Perhaps something is being lost in translation?
>
>> - does it
>
> What is "it?" The E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?
>
>> correctly interpret the sysex
>
> Most synth gear (including E-Mus) correctly interpret sysex.
>
>> or will it
>
> Again, is "it" the E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?
>
>> leave it
>
> HUH??????? Leave the sysex data?????????
>
>> only as note on or off
>
> Note on and note off data are not system exclusive data.  Are you
> asking if sysex data will mess up note on/off data?
>
>> ... how can a rechannelized track be set up
>
> I understand the start of this question.
>
>> so that it acts as though it
>
> By "it" do you mean the rechannelized track? Does "it" in the second
> half of the above mean the same thing as "it" in the first half?
>
>> is continues
>
> Not sure what you mean by this (above).
>
>> or realtime
>
> Not sure what you mean by this (above) either.
>
>> and still keeps changing the effect information ...
>
> Are you talking about the effects processor? If not, what do you
> mean by "effect information?"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

---
Mibrilane

Re: [xl7] Re: MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-01-29 by Aaron Eppolito

My only attempt at deciphering the original  question is as follows.  I think he's asking if there's any way to  internally loop the MIDI output of a track back into the track,  possibly with some processing.  From a parameter or audio point of  view that sort of makes sense (i.e. feeding back parameter changes can  produce interesting effects and feeding back audio can yield filters,  flangers, and the like).  However, looping back MIDI isn't really  useful.
  
  Imagine a piano concert where the pianist asks the someone in the  audience to play every note he plays immediately after he plays it,  then asks that audience member to pick another audience member to play  every note the first one plays, and so on.  --  The pianist  plays the first C#.  Then an audience member comes up and plays it  again and nominates another member.  They play it and nominate a  third and so on.  Pretty soon, the whole audience is piled on top  of the piano, and we haven't even gotten past the first note in the  piece to be played...
  
  -Aaron
  
Mibrilane <mibrilane@...> wrote:  A valiant attempt to figure out what the heck he was asking, Steve. I  
didn't even try to answer because I have no idea what the question  
is. ;D

On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:47 PM, steve_the_composer wrote:

> I will dissect your message into parts that make sense to me and
> parts that make no sense to me.  I will also ask questions and make
> comments to try to figure out what you are trying to do with your E-
> Mu.
>
> Other ways to try to understand your questions(s) include:
> (1) State specifically what you are trying to do.
> (2) Restate your question(s) using different words.
>
> There are several people here who might be able to help you do what
> you want, but--at least to me--it is unclear what you are trying to
> do. I hope the following helps.
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> 
 wrote:
>>
>> I am not using
>> any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7
>
> I understand the first part (above.)
>
>> and yet go
>> beyond it's parameters
>
> I am not sure what this (above) means.
>
>> if so possible the thing is that there might
>> be some code embedded in the XX7
>
> Yes, there is "code" in the E-Mu.
>
>> that actually prevents this sort of
>> thing from happening
>
> This makes no sense to me. Prevents what sort of thing? If you
> mean "prevents a user from going beyond the E-Mu's parameters," what
> do you want to try to do that you cannot seem to do using the E-Mu's
> parameters?
>
>> which is also what I am asking - what exactly gets
>> sent out
>
> This makes no sense to me since you are not sending anything out of
> your E-Mu--except for audio (and I assume you are getting audio from
> your E-Mu). Your question "what exactly gets sent out" would make
> sense to me if you were sending midi data out to another device.  I
> guess my question here is: Sent out from where TO where?
>
>> and if rerouted
>
> Are you talking about patch cords? If not, what?
>
>> what gets interpreted as actual effect
>
> Are you talking about the effects processor? If not what?
>
>> during imput
>
> Input FROM what INTO what?
>
>  - if other gear is used for effects
>
> Wait a second--you said you are not using external gear.  What is
> your native language? Perhaps something is being lost in translation?
>
>> - does it
>
> What is "it?" The E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?
>
>> correctly interpret the sysex
>
> Most synth gear (including E-Mus) correctly interpret sysex.
>
>> or will it
>
> Again, is "it" the E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?
>
>> leave it
>
> HUH??????? Leave the sysex data?????????
>
>> only as note on or off
>
> Note on and note off data are not system exclusive data.  Are you
> asking if sysex data will mess up note on/off data?
>
>> ... how can a rechannelized track be set up
>
> I understand the start of this question.
>
>> so that it acts as though it
>
> By "it" do you mean the rechannelized track? Does "it" in the second
> half of the above mean the same thing as "it" in the first half?
>
>> is continues
>
> Not sure what you mean by this (above).
>
>> or realtime
>
> Not sure what you mean by this (above) either.
>
>> and still keeps changing the effect information ...
>
> Are you talking about the effects processor? If not, what do you
> mean by "effect information?"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

---
Mibrilane





 
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Re: MIDI ECHO can someone help

2006-02-01 by lifeistheformofenergy

YES YOU DECIPHERED COREECTLY  - I am trying to find out how to change 
parameters internally and I figured that looping it via midi track 
rechannelization back into the track might have been the resolution 
because the knob assignments only go so far ... and I thought that if 
the data was changed and then rechannelized back onto the track again 
it would allow for realtime adjustments that would keep adjusting the 
parameters even though the knobs only go as far as they do ... so if 
this is case is it possible to do this in realtime or is it possible 
to do this all internally but not in realtime and how... ? btw thank 
you so much for understanding like you do ! YOU ARE VERY SMART !

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
>
> My only attempt at deciphering the original  question is as 
follows.  I think he's asking if there's any way to  internally loop 
the MIDI output of a track back into the track,  possibly with some 
processing.  From a parameter or audio point of  view that sort of 
makes sense (i.e. feeding back parameter changes can  produce 
interesting effects and feeding back audio can yield filters,  
flangers, and the like).  However, looping back MIDI isn't really  
useful.
>   
>   Imagine a piano concert where the pianist asks the someone in 
the  audience to play every note he plays immediately after he plays 
it,  then asks that audience member to pick another audience member 
to play  every note the first one plays, and so on.  --  The pianist  
plays the first C#.  Then an audience member comes up and plays it  
again and nominates another member.  They play it and nominate a  
third and so on.  Pretty soon, the whole audience is piled on top  of 
the piano, and we haven't even gotten past the first note in the  
piece to be played...
>   
>   -Aaron
>   
> Mibrilane <mibrilane@c...> wrote:  A valiant attempt to figure out 
what the heck he was asking, Steve. I  
> didn't even try to answer because I have no idea what the question  
> is. ;D
> 
> On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:47 PM, steve_the_composer wrote:
> 
> > I will dissect your message into parts that make sense to me and
> > parts that make no sense to me.  I will also ask questions and 
make
> > comments to try to figure out what you are trying to do with your 
E-
> > Mu.
> >
> > Other ways to try to understand your questions(s) include:
> > (1) State specifically what you are trying to do.
> > (2) Restate your question(s) using different words.
> >
> > There are several people here who might be able to help you do 
what
> > you want, but--at least to me--it is unclear what you are trying 
to
> > do. I hope the following helps.
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > 
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am not using
> >> any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7
> >
> > I understand the first part (above.)
> >
> >> and yet go
> >> beyond it's parameters
> >
> > I am not sure what this (above) means.
> >
> >> if so possible the thing is that there might
> >> be some code embedded in the XX7
> >
> > Yes, there is "code" in the E-Mu.
> >
> >> that actually prevents this sort of
> >> thing from happening
> >
> > This makes no sense to me. Prevents what sort of thing? If you
> > mean "prevents a user from going beyond the E-Mu's parameters," 
what
> > do you want to try to do that you cannot seem to do using the E-
Mu's
> > parameters?
> >
> >> which is also what I am asking - what exactly gets
> >> sent out
> >
> > This makes no sense to me since you are not sending anything out 
of
> > your E-Mu--except for audio (and I assume you are getting audio 
from
> > your E-Mu). Your question "what exactly gets sent out" would make
> > sense to me if you were sending midi data out to another device.  
I
> > guess my question here is: Sent out from where TO where?
> >
> >> and if rerouted
> >
> > Are you talking about patch cords? If not, what?
> >
> >> what gets interpreted as actual effect
> >
> > Are you talking about the effects processor? If not what?
> >
> >> during imput
> >
> > Input FROM what INTO what?
> >
> >  - if other gear is used for effects
> >
> > Wait a second--you said you are not using external gear.  What is
> > your native language? Perhaps something is being lost in 
translation?
> >
> >> - does it
> >
> > What is "it?" The E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?
> >
> >> correctly interpret the sysex
> >
> > Most synth gear (including E-Mus) correctly interpret sysex.
> >
> >> or will it
> >
> > Again, is "it" the E-Mu or external gear that you are not using?
> >
> >> leave it
> >
> > HUH??????? Leave the sysex data?????????
> >
> >> only as note on or off
> >
> > Note on and note off data are not system exclusive data.  Are you
> > asking if sysex data will mess up note on/off data?
> >
> >> ... how can a rechannelized track be set up
> >
> > I understand the start of this question.
> >
> >> so that it acts as though it
> >
> > By "it" do you mean the rechannelized track? Does "it" in the 
second
> > half of the above mean the same thing as "it" in the first half?
> >
> >> is continues
> >
> > Not sure what you mean by this (above).
> >
> >> or realtime
> >
> > Not sure what you mean by this (above) either.
> >
> >> and still keeps changing the effect information ...
> >
> > Are you talking about the effects processor? If not, what do you
> > mean by "effect information?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ---
> Mibrilane
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