Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

ive scrolled thru many pages here on the troubles of getting the e-
loader to work right with win xp.  well, i have the same problem and i 
didnt notice any answer.  i uploaded the mp7 to 2.0 before i even 
hooked it up via usb.  when i do, i get the same old 'device not 
recognized' message.  not even a chance to load drivers.  was there 
any solution to that?  or dont even bother?

many, many thanks again!

well ill be.....

after i posted this last night, i took a shot and dug out an old 
belkin usb hub. the hub is usb 1.0.  i plugged in the mp7 to the hub 
and it worked like a charm.  i have no idea why it worked, but it 
did.  that little hub has helped me out alot over the years!

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
>
> ive scrolled thru many pages here on the troubles of getting the e-
> loader to work right with win xp.  well, i have the same problem and 
i 

> didnt notice any answer.  i uploaded the mp7 to 2.0 before i even 
> hooked it up via usb.  when i do, i get the same old 'device not 
> recognized' message.  not even a chance to load drivers.  was there 
> any solution to that?  or dont even bother?
> 
> many, many thanks again!
>

Might be a driver thing or hardware issue..
G


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
>
> well ill be.....
> 
> after i posted this last night, i took a shot and dug out an old 
> belkin usb hub. the hub is usb 1.0.  i plugged in the mp7 to the 
hub 
> and it worked like a charm.  i have no idea why it worked, but it 
> did.  that little hub has helped me out alot over the years!
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
> >
> > ive scrolled thru many pages here on the troubles of getting the 
e-
> > loader to work right with win xp.  well, i have the same problem 
and 
> i 
> > didnt notice any answer.  i uploaded the mp7 to 2.0 before i even 
> > hooked it up via usb.  when i do, i get the same old 'device not 
> > recognized' message.  not even a chance to load drivers.  was 
there 

> > any solution to that?  or dont even bother?
> > 
> > many, many thanks again!
> >
>

Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to get 
Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience that 
makes hardware not available via usb.

I would be very happy to have usb capability with e-loader on the XP.

My guess is that someone has to figure out a way to get both usb0 
and usb1 drivers registered past the point where the XP OS gets hung 
up.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about XP to be able to 
figure out how to do that.

Anyone else have suggestions?

(BTW I got as far as having one or the other e-mu drivers accepted 
by XP, but never both at the same time. Regrettably, I don't recall 
how I did that.)


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
>
> ive scrolled thru many pages here on the troubles of getting the e-
> loader to work right with win xp.  well, i have the same problem 
and i 
> didnt notice any answer.  i uploaded the mp7 to 2.0 before i even 
> hooked it up via usb.  when i do, i get the same old 'device not 
> recognized' message.  not even a chance to load drivers.  was 
there 

> any solution to that?  or dont even bother?
> 
> many, many thanks again!
>

Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to get 
Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience that 
makes hardware not available via usb.

I would be very happy to have usb capability with e-loader on the XP.

My guess is that someone has to figure out a way to get both usb0 
and usb1 drivers registered past the point where the XP OS gets hung 
up.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about XP to be able to 
figure out how to do that.

Anyone else have suggestions?

(BTW I got as far as having one or the other e-mu drivers accepted 
by XP, but never both at the same time. Regrettably, I don't recall 
how I did that.)


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
>
> ive scrolled thru many pages here on the troubles of getting the e-
> loader to work right with win xp.  well, i have the same problem 
and i 
> didnt notice any answer.  i uploaded the mp7 to 2.0 before i even 
> hooked it up via usb.  when i do, i get the same old 'device not 
> recognized' message.  not even a chance to load drivers.  was 
there 

> any solution to that?  or dont even bother?
> 
> many, many thanks again!
>

Hmmmmmm.  Could be that the XP OS for usb 2.0 messes things up.  I had 
usb set up with e-loader on a Win98 system.  I am sure it was usb 
1.0.  

What do I need to put usb 1.0 on the XP? (What's a usb hub and where 
do I get one?)


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:

>
> well ill be.....
> 
> after i posted this last night, i took a shot and dug out an old 
> belkin usb hub. the hub is usb 1.0.  i plugged in the mp7 to the hub 
> and it worked like a charm.  i have no idea why it worked, but it 
> did.  that little hub has helped me out alot over the years!

> What do I need to put usb 1.0 on the XP? (What's a usb hub and where 
> do I get one?)


Expands the USB port into 2 or more conenections (usually 4) but they 
still all share the same port.
USB 1 devices are really cheap now as USB 2 has taken over pretty much.
Ebay? local cheap kizmo shop?
Ive got XP on my laptop, l'll try it and post my findings.. 
Gonz

just tryed eloader here on the laptop via usb and its working..
this is what i get in the device manager.

under system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 0
drver details:-

C:\windows\emuusb0.inf
C:\windows\system32\drivers\emuusb.sys
 
system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 1

Theres no driver details for this one. dont know if thats an issue or 
its normal? its all working with no yellow question marks or 
exclamation marks in the device manager.
I did just have an issue when i un-plugged and then re-plugged the 
usb.
I could only set the usb midi input device and there wasnt any device 
listed for the usb midi out.
Rebooting the machine seems to of cured this. (i hadn't rebooted 
since installing drivers..)
I had to install the emu usb drivers although i had already installed 
e-loader some time back. Cant 100% remember if i used it at the time..
It asked about driver signing, but i installed anyway. seems fine.
Cheers
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:

>
> Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to get 
> Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
> kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
> speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
> enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience that 
> makes hardware not available via usb.

Thanks. I will see if I cam trick XP into seeing the E-Mu.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
>
> just tryed eloader here on the laptop via usb and its working..
> this is what i get in the device manager.
> 
> under system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 0
> drver details:-
> 
> C:\windows\emuusb0.inf
> C:\windows\system32\drivers\emuusb.sys
>  
> system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 1
> 
> Theres no driver details for this one. dont know if thats an issue 
or 
> its normal? its all working with no yellow question marks or 
> exclamation marks in the device manager.
> I did just have an issue when i un-plugged and then re-plugged the 
> usb.
> I could only set the usb midi input device and there wasnt any 
device 
> listed for the usb midi out.
> Rebooting the machine seems to of cured this. (i hadn't rebooted 
> since installing drivers..)
> I had to install the emu usb drivers although i had already 
installed 
> e-loader some time back. Cant 100% remember if i used it at the 
time..
> It asked about driver signing, but i installed anyway. seems fine.
> Cheers
> Gonz
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to get 
> > Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
> > kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
> > speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
> > enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience 
that 
> > makes hardware not available via usb.
>

ive had to re-load the emu drivers every time i plugged it into the 
computer as well.  that seems to be a bit odd, but its quick and it 
works, so i'll 'suffer' through.  strange stuff to say the least....


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
>
> just tryed eloader here on the laptop via usb and its working..
> this is what i get in the device manager.
> 
> under system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 0
> drver details:-
> 
> C:\windows\emuusb0.inf
> C:\windows\system32\drivers\emuusb.sys
>  
> system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 1
> 
> Theres no driver details for this one. dont know if thats an issue 
or 
> its normal? its all working with no yellow question marks or 
> exclamation marks in the device manager.
> I did just have an issue when i un-plugged and then re-plugged the 
> usb.
> I could only set the usb midi input device and there wasnt any 
device 
> listed for the usb midi out.
> Rebooting the machine seems to of cured this. (i hadn't rebooted 
> since installing drivers..)
> I had to install the emu usb drivers although i had already 
installed 
> e-loader some time back. Cant 100% remember if i used it at the 
time..
> It asked about driver signing, but i installed anyway. seems fine.
> Cheers
> Gonz
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to 
get 
> > Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
> > kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
> > speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
> > enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience 
that 
> > makes hardware not available via usb.
>

Do you get the same entries in system devices? 
Do you get yellow question marks ot exclaimation marks in the device 
manager?
l'll try mine again to see if it wants drivers again when you first pug 
it in.
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:

>
> 
> ive had to re-load the emu drivers every time i plugged it into the 
> computer as well.  that seems to be a bit odd, but its quick and it 
> works, so i'll 'suffer' through.  strange stuff to say the least....
> > 
> > under system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 0
> > drver details:-
> > 
> > C:\windows\emuusb0.inf
> > C:\windows\system32\drivers\emuusb.sys
> >  
> > system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 1
> > 
> > Theres no driver details for this one.

mines ok here, no problems at all.
are you plugging it back into the same port each time?
if not this will cause windows to look for drivers..
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:

>
> 
> ive had to re-load the emu drivers every time i plugged it into the 
> computer as well.  that seems to be a bit odd, but its quick and it 
> works, so i'll 'suffer' through.  strange stuff to say the least....

yep. same port everytime.  not a big deal though.  i dont hook up 
via usb often.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
>
> mines ok here, no problems at all.
> are you plugging it back into the same port each time?
> if not this will cause windows to look for drivers..
> Gonz
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > ive had to re-load the emu drivers every time i plugged it into 
the 
> > computer as well.  that seems to be a bit odd, but its quick and 
it 
> > works, so i'll 'suffer' through.  strange stuff to say the 
least....
>

fair game  :o)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:

>
> yep. same port everytime.  not a big deal though.  i dont hook up 
> via usb often.

Somewhere I saw a checkbox in Windows XP that (if checked) seemed to 
imply usb errors would not be reported.  If I could find it again, I 
might retry installing e-loader usb drivers to see if it might help.  
Has anyone seen such a check box? If so, could you help me find it 
again?

A quick google came up with this!

This is for a SiS PCI/USB Host Controller, but it may be relevent to 
your setup..
 
Disable USB Error Detection for Win98SE or Newer OS 

In  Windows Standard Mode, Device Manager, USB Host Controllers, SiS 
USB Host Controller, Advanced, Enable the function (Disable USB Error 
Detection)  

http://www.usbman.com/Guides/SiS%20USB%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm

Cheers
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
>
> Somewhere I saw a checkbox in Windows XP that (if checked) seemed 
to 
> imply usb errors would not be reported.  If I could find it again, 
I 
> might retry installing e-loader usb drivers to see if it might 
help.  

> Has anyone seen such a check box? If so, could you help me find it 
> again?
>

It's in the Device Manager. Right click on the entry for the host 
controller, click properties, then click the advanced tab.  Checkbox is 
at the bottom.

HTH

D

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

>
> Somewhere I saw a checkbox in Windows XP that (if checked) seemed to 
> imply usb errors would not be reported.  If I could find it again, I 
> might retry installing e-loader usb drivers to see if it might help.  
> Has anyone seen such a check box? If so, could you help me find it 
> again?
>

where could i find them drivers for my p.c. im havin problems myself..... does it make a difference between laptop and p.c. if you could show me the site where i could obtain these drivers youd be a helluva help!
gonzinigonz <gonzini@...> wrote:  just tryed eloader here on the laptop via usb and its working..
this is what i get in the device manager.

under system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 0
drver details:-

C:\windows\emuusb0.inf
C:\windows\system32\drivers\emuusb.sys

system devices > e-mu usb device, interface 1

Theres no driver details for this one. dont know if thats an issue or 
its normal? its all working with no yellow question marks or 
exclamation marks in the device manager.
I did just have an issue when i un-plugged and then re-plugged the 
usb.
I could only set the usb midi input device and there wasnt any device 
listed for the usb midi out.
Rebooting the machine seems to of cured this. (i hadn't rebooted 
since installing drivers..)
I had to install the emu usb drivers although i had already installed 
e-loader some time back. Cant 100% remember if i used it at the time..
It asked about driver signing, but i installed anyway. seems fine.
Cheers
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
>
> Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to get 
> Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
> kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
> speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
> enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience that 
> makes hardware not available via usb.






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There part of E-Loader setup, have you installed that on your PC?

-- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, thomas pagan <mcsuspense@y...> wrote:

> where could i find them drivers for my p.c. im havin problems 
>myself..... does it make a difference between laptop and p.c. if you
>could show me the site where i could obtain these drivers youd be a
>helluva help!

Im having the Same Problem on my MAC OS9... it cant find the Drivers 
to connect the XL-7 to the system..



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> Over the past several years I have tried a number of times to get 
> Windows XP to accept the E-Mu e-loader usb drivers. I tried all 
> kinds of work arounds without any success.  My guess (100% 
> speculation) is that Microsoft changed something in the usb 
> enumeration process for the sake of plug 'n' play convenience that 
> makes hardware not available via usb.
> 
> I would be very happy to have usb capability with e-loader on the 
XP.
> 
> My guess is that someone has to figure out a way to get both usb0 
> and usb1 drivers registered past the point where the XP OS gets 
hung 
> up.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about XP to be able to 
> figure out how to do that.
> 
> Anyone else have suggestions?
> 
> (BTW I got as far as having one or the other e-mu drivers accepted 
> by XP, but never both at the same time. Regrettably, I don't recall 
> how I did that.)
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "antret" <antret@y...> wrote:
> >
> > ive scrolled thru many pages here on the troubles of getting the 
e-

> > loader to work right with win xp.  well, i have the same problem 
> and i 
> > didnt notice any answer.  i uploaded the mp7 to 2.0 before i even 
> > hooked it up via usb.  when i do, i get the same old 'device not 
> > recognized' message.  not even a chance to load drivers.  was 
> there 
> > any solution to that?  or dont even bother?
> > 
> > many, many thanks again!
> >
>

On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:26 AM, dps162006 wrote:

> Im having the Same Problem on my MAC OS9... it cant find the Drivers
> to connect the XL-7 to the system..

There are no USB drivers for the XL-7 in Mac OS  9 - you must use  
MIDI for all communications with E-Loader (either OMS or emulation of  
OMS in FreeMIDI and an OMS/FreeMIDI compatible MIDI interface).

---
Mibrilane





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