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Hey everyone, how things going? I have a two-part question for you guys here hopefully they are answerable questions..
   
  1. How do I sync and record a factory preset (XL-7) into cubase SX 2.0 through MIDI and have all the midi parts on seperate tracks (1-16)? Also the XL-7 would be the master?
   
  Thanks 
  Shane


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>   1. How do I sync and record a factory preset (XL-7) into cubase SX 
>2.0 through MIDI and have all the midi parts on seperate tracks (1-
>16)? Also the XL-7 would be the master?

Havant seen SX for a while but look in the midi sync setup.
Set it for external clock source.
Set the sync button on the main transport window (if its there, i cant 
remember..) 
Cubase will now wait until it receives a start message along with the 
midi clock that you have to set to transmit in the XL-7 when you hit 
record in cubase.
Its easier to use e-loader and open up the mid file in cubase though.
Read the last post im repeating myself again..
Gonz

As I recall Cubase will only function as Master clock
- not Slave (i.e. no external source)


> 
> Havant seen SX for a while but look in the midi sync
> setup.
> Set it for external clock source.



	
		
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Thanks I just realized that one

ed mann <gongworks@...> wrote:  As I recall Cubase will only function as Master clock
- not Slave (i.e. no external source)


> 
> Havant seen SX for a while but look in the midi sync
> setup.
> Set it for external clock source.



      
            
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Look again, i set up a friends SX to sync to an external clock, an 
MPC2K to be exact.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane <lvrshn@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks I just realized that one
> 
> ed mann <gongworks@y...> wrote:  As I recall Cubase will only 
function as Master clock
> - not Slave (i.e. no external source)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Havant seen SX for a while but look in the midi sync
> > setup.
> > Set it for external clock source.
> 
> 
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okay, and I'm still having trouble with the e-loader, when I import a midi file from e-loader to cubase SX 2.0, especially if it is a song I get nothing no data or anything.
   
   
   
   
  gonzinigonz <gonzini@...> wrote:
  Look again, i set up a friends SX to sync to an external clock, an 
MPC2K to be exact.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane <lvrshn@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks I just realized that one
> 
> ed mann <gongworks@y...> wrote:  As I recall Cubase will only 
function as Master clock
> - not Slave (i.e. no external source)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Havant seen SX for a while but look in the midi sync
> > setup.
> > Set it for external clock source.
> 
> 
> 
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>I'm still having trouble with the e-loader, when I import a
>midi file from e-loader to cubase SX 2.0, especially if it is a song 
>I get nothing no data or anything.

Hi
Ive just tryed this again and managed to load up a random mid file 
174 bars long pulled of the net with E Loader.
The software seems to take all the tracks (upto 16 i guess?) and 
combine them into one track once inside the command station.
Theres only 1 track avaible in song mode which you should be able to 
see the notes / events in the song edit page.
I transfered it back and re-opened it with cubase. 
All the data was there, all separted back out into there own tracks / 
midi channels.
Do you actually get tracks created in the main window?
Did you try and look at the list editor if you did?
What happens when you try to imprt pattern mid files?
You can always post the file and i could have a look.

Cheers
gonz

A few years ago I tried sorting through how the E-Mu handles midi 
files.  Aaron's comments were very helpful. IF I had time, I'd track 
them down and post links to the prior discussion.

I don't know how cubase handles midi file transfers, but e-loader 
uses the system exclusive protocol for transferring tunes between 
the E-Mu and e-loader.  I wasn't aware that anyone else used that 
part of the sysex specs.

When trying to figure out a satisfactory way of transferring midi 
files between Cakewalk software and the E-mu sequencer, I ran into 
some ideosyncracies that pushed me in the direction (at the time) of 
just getting into hardware sequencing.

Cakewalk made a number of implementation decisions for midi files as 
did E-Mu. I suspect that's where some of the issues come into play 
with cubase.

In converting native data to a "standard midi file" chances are good 
something will either be lost, or treated differently from one 
conversion process to another.

I haven't tried it, but if the E-Mu routines put data from a single 
16 channel SMF track into a single E-Mu track, couldn't someone just 
explode it onto the separate tracks by channel mumber?

Also, if you set the single track to MultiA or MultiB, won't the E-
Mu synth engine play all 16 channels in the one track using 
different presets?

Hope this makes sense; hope it helps.

--Steve
 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
>
> >I'm still having trouble with the e-loader, when I import a
> >midi file from e-loader to cubase SX 2.0, especially if it is a 
song 
> >I get nothing no data or anything.
> 
> Hi
> Ive just tryed this again and managed to load up a random mid file 
> 174 bars long pulled of the net with E Loader.
> The software seems to take all the tracks (upto 16 i guess?) and 
> combine them into one track once inside the command station.
> Theres only 1 track avaible in song mode which you should be able 
to 
> see the notes / events in the song edit page.
> I transfered it back and re-opened it with cubase. 
> All the data was there, all separted back out into there own 
tracks / 
> midi channels.
> Do you actually get tracks created in the main window?
> Did you try and look at the list editor if you did?
> What happens when you try to imprt pattern mid files?
> You can always post the file and i could have a look.
> 
> Cheers
> gonz
>

> I haven't tried it, but if the E-Mu routines put data from a single 
> 16 channel SMF track into a single E-Mu track, couldn't someone 
>just explode it onto the separate tracks by channel mumber?
 
Cubase will do this, i didnt have to set up anything for that to 
happen (this is with a normal mid file not one created from the XL-7 
in song mode) 

> Also, if you set the single track to MultiA or MultiB, won't the E-
> Mu synth engine play all 16 channels in the one track using 
> different presets?

Thats right it will :o)
 
Think the real problem is that when you create a song the patterns 
dont get saved in the song mid file, so theres nothing to edit other 
than program change etc.. (which will appear in the list editor in 
cubase)
You can only see the single track data in song mode and thats the 
only midi note data that makes it in the song mid file.
My MPC2K will create (if its in a good mood..) a complete mid file of 
all the patterns in a song as an extra function for example. 
Dont think ive had too many issues with transfering data between the 
PC and the command station (lucky i guess..)

gonz

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
>
> > I haven't tried it, but if the E-Mu routines put data from a single 
> > 16 channel SMF track into a single E-Mu track, couldn't someone 
> >just explode it onto the separate tracks by channel mumber?
>  

It´s because of SMF 0/1
Just select the midi file in Cubase
and use the tool seperate midi file by channels (Don´t have SX 
installed on this machine, but you will find it)

Cheers
Midinovela

Thanks so much everyone for your replys, I will try to figure this out. And get back to all, I have a much clearer understanding now

gonzinigonz <gonzini@...> wrote:  > I haven't tried it, but if the E-Mu routines put data from a single 
> 16 channel SMF track into a single E-Mu track, couldn't someone 
>just explode it onto the separate tracks by channel mumber?

Cubase will do this, i didnt have to set up anything for that to 
happen (this is with a normal mid file not one created from the XL-7 
in song mode) 

> Also, if you set the single track to MultiA or MultiB, won't the E-
> Mu synth engine play all 16 channels in the one track using 
> different presets?

Thats right it will :o)

Think the real problem is that when you create a song the patterns 
dont get saved in the song mid file, so theres nothing to edit other 
than program change etc.. (which will appear in the list editor in 
cubase)
You can only see the single track data in song mode and thats the 
only midi note data that makes it in the song mid file.
My MPC2K will create (if its in a good mood..) a complete mid file of 
all the patterns in a song as an extra function for example. 
Dont think ive had too many issues with transfering data between the 
PC and the command station (lucky i guess..)

gonz







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