Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

if a midi loop is created and then rechannelized to a specified track 
and then that track is what you are adjusting using the programmed 
knobs - how much would the information begin to go out of the 
parameters of the knobs - or is there a break point where it just 
stops adjusting the information - do you have to manually program 
information outside of the knobs allowance if desired and then input 
them to the xl and then sort of "ratchet" them where you want them or 
how ... I ask because a lot of the times effects that can be used can 
be put through processors twice or three times to get them the way I 
need them and so it seems like creating an infinite midi loop would 
work better ... please help ...

What do you mean by a 'midi loop"....as a real electrical midi loop will just lock up the midi signal path.  You change the midi channel along the way but you can not precess it through the same controls.  Do you really mean a midi "echo" such as one created by a midi processor to create a timed echo effect instead of creating the effect in the audio side ?

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA


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>From: lifeistheformofenergy <lifeistheformofenergy@...>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2005 4:56 PM
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] sysEX parameters
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>if a midi loop is created and then rechannelized to a specified track 
>and then that track is what you are adjusting using the programmed 
>knobs - how much would the information begin to go out of the 
>parameters of the knobs - or is there a break point where it just 
>stops adjusting the information - do you have to manually program 
>information outside of the knobs allowance if desired and then input 
>them to the xl and then sort of "ratchet" them where you want them or 
>how ... I ask because a lot of the times effects that can be used can 
>be put through processors twice or three times to get them the way I 
>need them and so it seems like creating an infinite midi loop would 
>work better ... please help ... 
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You have my curiosity. What is your setup? Specifically, what kind of 
processing are you doing? 

For example, are you talking about using multiple patchcords assigned 
to single knobs entirely within the synth engine? Or, are you talking 
about processing midi data externally and sending it back into the E-
Mu? (Or something else?)

I haven't done either of these but the idea sounds intriguing.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy" wrote:

>
> if a midi loop is created and then rechannelized to a specified track 
> and then that track is what you are adjusting using the programmed 
> knobs - how much would the information begin to go out of the 
> parameters of the knobs - or is there a break point where it just 
> stops adjusting the information - do you have to manually program 
> information outside of the knobs allowance if desired and then input 
> them to the xl and then sort of "ratchet" them where you want them or 
> how ... I ask because a lot of the times effects that can be used can 
> be put through processors twice or three times to get them the way I 
> need them and so it seems like creating an infinite midi loop would 
> work better ... please help ...
>

well thanks for your intellilectual interest - I thought the setup 
that would work would be sending multiple patchcords or assigned by 
preset or even just quick edit to knobs with in the internal synth 
engine - I can't get it to work obvioiusly as mentioned but maybe it 
is because of what bob said - basically the idea is to set up what I 
thought would be a loop but bob says that won't work - so then after 
this rouiting is configured it basically completes itself so that you 
could possibly keep adjusting a parameter until you got it where you 
needed it - so even if you turned the knob all the way once it went 
through the "loop" or what I thought of calling the loop it would 
complete the processing and go back through and be reprocessed (sort 
of like a ratchet I suppose only more continual) .... 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
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> You have my curiosity. What is your setup? Specifically, what kind 
of 
> processing are you doing? 
> 
> For example, are you talking about using multiple patchcords 
assigned 
> to single knobs entirely within the synth engine? Or, are you 
talking 
> about processing midi data externally and sending it back into the 
E-
> Mu? (Or something else?)
> 
> I haven't done either of these but the idea sounds intriguing.
> 
> --Steve
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> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy" wrote:
> >
> > if a midi loop is created and then rechannelized to a specified 
track 
> > and then that track is what you are adjusting using the 
programmed 
> > knobs - how much would the information begin to go out of the 
> > parameters of the knobs - or is there a break point where it just 
> > stops adjusting the information - do you have to manually program 
> > information outside of the knobs allowance if desired and then 
input 
> > them to the xl and then sort of "ratchet" them where you want 
them or 
> > how ... I ask because a lot of the times effects that can be used 
can 
> > be put through processors twice or three times to get them the 
way I 
> > need them and so it seems like creating an infinite midi loop 
would 

> > work better ... please help ...
> >
>

well thank you for your intellectualism - you seem to know what it is 
I am asking - which is good - ok so when you refer to an echo what 
exactly does this mean ? it seems to me that you might be refering to 
a given track outputing but also rechanellizing to another track and 
then that track outputing to the original where as before I was only 
talking about one initial track - is this the case ? I am not using 
any external midi gear - I just want to stay in the XX7 and yet go 
beyond it's parameters if so possible the thing is that there might 
be some code embedded in the XX7 that actually prevents this sort of 
thing from happening which is also what I am asking -



> What do you mean by a 'midi loop"....as a real electrical midi loop 
will just lock up the midi signal path.  You change the midi channel 
along the way but you can not precess it through the same controls.  
Do you really mean a midi "echo" such as one created by a midi 
processor to create a timed echo effect instead of creating the 
effect in the audio side ?
> 
> Bob
> Corona/Riverside, CA
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> -----Original Message-----
> >From: lifeistheformofenergy <lifeistheformofenergy@y...>
> >Sent: Dec 23, 2005 4:56 PM
> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [xl7] sysEX parameters
> >
> >if a midi loop is created and then rechannelized to a specified 
track 
> >and then that track is what you are adjusting using the programmed 
> >knobs - how much would the information begin to go out of the 
> >parameters of the knobs - or is there a break point where it just 
> >stops adjusting the information - do you have to manually program 
> >information outside of the knobs allowance if desired and then 
input 
> >them to the xl and then sort of "ratchet" them where you want them 
or 
> >how ... I ask because a lot of the times effects that can be used 
can 
> >be put through processors twice or three times to get them the way 
I 
> >need them and so it seems like creating an infinite midi loop 
would 

> >work better ...> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

I think by midi loop in your original post, you were referring to a 
pattern that loops continuously within the E-mu itself, right? If so, 
a loop could be created in a set of one or more sequencer tracks or 
with an arpeggiated sequence of notes (the arpeggiator).

If you want to record CC [continuous controller] data into your 
sequenced tracks using the knobs, you are limited by the amount og 
your remaining memory.  If you "push the limits" of either memory or 
performance with an overabundance of CC data from going crazy with the 
knobs, you can thin the CC data using the THIN EVENT menu in the 
pattern editing menu system.

I hope this come close to what you were trying to ask. If not, feel 
free to clarify.

--Steve