Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

--- In xl7@y..., "j.burger" <j.burger@p...> wrote:

> my setup is:
> send 1 - main  (i use a fx a on this one)
> send 2 - sub 1
> send 3 - sub 2
> send 4 - main  (i use a fx b on this one)
> i tried to route knobs o & p to effect sends 1 & 4 (i don´t use arpeggiat=
ors) but it didn´t work.
> 
> general thoughts:
> the overall quality of the xl-7 is really good, although i (like others i=
n this group) still miss alot of things.
> but the main advantage over it´s competitors is the incredible quality of=
 the hardware, which imo is the best built piece of equipment since the mpc =
60.
> 
> thanks,
> j.

The manual is really of no help whatever regarding the effects is it?

i read that silly diagram (reprintied throughout the manual) over and 
over and finally, through experimentation, figured out that the effects 
are ultimately output bound.
so you assign a reverb to send 4 (routed to the mains) and a chorus to 
send 1 (routed to the mains) and leave the other sends dry.

this way you get verb or chorus (or whatever you want) on the mains and 
still have 2 dry output pairs for drums and other stuff.

i can see by your diagram that you have come to the same conclusion.

i think it's ultimately pretty weak that the effects are bound ot the 
outputs. 

i'd like to see the output of the effects be routable to whatever out 
you want, and use a standard send and return feature to assign the 
amount on whatever preset you want.

Akai effects work like this (like a traditional mixer) but the 
sequencers aren;t anything like this one...

live, learn, suffer...

;)

DSS

hi dss,
thanks for your emphatic words. but they still leave me alone with my
problem.
let\ufffds not moan about the dated & unsatisfying routing-concept of the proteus
family. critics & users all over the world did this for years & emu didn\ufffdt
change anything for the better. but maybe sean or scott could give me an
answer please.
the problem again:

i use the following routing:
send 1 - mains (fx a on this one)
send 2 - sub 1
send 3 - sub 3
send 4 - main (fx b on this one)

i tried to route knobs o & p - in quick edit - to send 1 & 2 but i can only
make one of them work at a time.
i really need the sub outs for drums & bass (no eqs on bord - as y\ufffdall
know), so i obviously can not use 2 fx & a dry out on main.therefore i would
like to control the sends via midi.
some other questions:
- have ensoniq asr-x programmers been involved in the development of these
units ?
- is the resonance fault ever gonna be repaired ?
- the glitches with pattern switching are most obvious in busy patterns.
apart from that they behave different, if you switch them via main sreen or
LED View Select Section. to me it doesn\ufffdt feel like os - problem, rather a
lack of processor - power/speed. what can you tell me about that ?

i greatly appreciate an answer.
taking the rough with the smooth,
j.

--- In xl7@y..., "j.burger" <j.burger@p...> wrote:

> the problem again:
> 
> i use the following routing:
> send 1 - mains (fx a on this one)
> send 2 - sub 1
> send 3 - sub 3
> send 4 - main (fx b on this one)

J.

maybe i didn't completely understand your post...

i have the same needs i think (want effects on some outs, and need dry 
outs as well, want to change this set up between patterns for various 
effects, and presets.)

i sort of solved this problem quickly by dedicating my outs as aux 
sends in the master effects section.

this way i get:

Pattern 001
Mains (Send 1): light verb
Sub 1 (Send 2): Dry (drums)
Sub 2 (Send 3): chorus (bass)
-     (Send 4): Delay

in pattern edit i no longer have control over what amount of effect 
happens, but i do have the ability to send my Tracks to Send 1 and Send 
4 as needed.

i save this setup as "demo setup 1"

and save the pattern.

move to pattern 002

i set up:

Mains (Send 1): flange
Sub 1 (Send 2): Dry (drums)
Sub 2 (Send 3): dry (bass)
-     (Send 4): Delay

save this as "Demo Setup 2"

and save the pattern.

now when i recall, i have my effect routing and output routing all 
sorted out.

i don't really know why it works, again the manual wasn't helpful.

but it sure sems to solve my output and effect send issues

still, i agree that the effects would be cooler if there were some midi 
control over them.

and i am GLAD i missed the proteus debates...

hope this is at all helpful.

DSS

hi dss,
thank you again - that sounds interesting. but this time i think i didn\ufffdt
fully understand.

> i sort of solved this problem quickly by dedicating my outs as aux
> sends in the master effects section.
>
> this way i get:
>
> Pattern 001
> Mains (Send 1): light verb
> Sub 1 (Send 2): Dry (drums)
> Sub 2 (Send 3): chorus (bass)
> -     (Send 4): Delay
>
> in pattern edit i no longer have control over what amount of effect
> happens, but i do have the ability to send my Tracks to Send 1 and Send
> 4 as needed.

but how do you get a dry signal to the mains? i need that because i
definitely use the 2 subs for kick, snare, hihats & bass (all panned l/r to
get 4 single outs) to add eq and make it suit the location. therefore i\ufffdve
got only 2 sends left - either 1 fx / 1 dry or 2 fx. i definitely cannot
send my chords & sequences to either of the sub outs because the eqs almost
never fit.
regarding the midi-control: i realize now there\ufffds no such option but maybe
there\ufffds a weird work-around somewhere ?

all the best,
j.

--- In xl7@y..., "j.burger" <j.burger@p...> wrote:

> but how do you get a dry signal to the mains?

well sadly, i don't.

so i save the special effects that simply don't work on things coming 
out the mains for Send-4 routed to the mains, and use only general and 
subtle effects like reverb and chorus on Send-1.

it's not perfect, but the only thing left to do would be to re open the 
tedious debate about the whole concept of the Proteus effects.

i am just very happy that i can change this routing between patterns so 
the effects can change with them.

poping between patterns in a single song (performed live in pattern 
mode) can also work to replace the lack of midi control over the 
effects.


jus' thinkin'

and feelin' for ya.

DSS